Wonder Woman, I was browsing and watched what appeared to be a speed-reading mishap. I remember your posts and knew you were just passing along a tidbit. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if Bravo kept going, but I'd bet good money that the principals won't be as eager.

Alex and DrB, the best course is to stay it! Unless they can tap into your personal eMail address book, only this board will be involved. This is a place for talking smack about the show, and there is plenty of material. You know the drill ... ignore the junk.

Wow...so sorry about Alexb, Drb and WW. Geez...

But that's what happens on the internet I guess. I remember a few months ago, there was a guy who posted something on a Nissan Message board (for a specific model car) and he was caught in a lie. Some of the users did a searh of his username, somehow found out his personal info, searched that and found out he was a registered sex offender. Life as he knew it was over. It was posted at nausium on that message board as well as several hundred others. His picture, address, phone numbers, everything was out there.

He was harrassed, his house shot at, rocks thrown at it, place of work had to let him go because of the harrassment. With all those search thingys out there today. You just have to spend some money and you will eventually find out personal information. As Judge Judy is so fond of saying.... "once you hit send, it's out there somewhere forever"

Kiasmama...I read your post yesterday and have to say I don't know what to say about that. I have in the past defended what you have said or at least your right to say it but am confused by your stance. And now when you comment that "once you hit send, it's out there somewhere forever", are you saying it is OK for someone to search out info to use on a posting board? Many here defended you even though your thoughts were sophomoric and incompassionate, but we defended your right to voice that opinion. What are you saying? Do you know what you are saying? I, for one, do not...and have begun to question the very reason for posting in the first place.

I know what I am saying...and why didn't you just ask that instead of voicing that you thought previous comments were sophmoric? Just asking what I meant without bringing up old posts would have been the "adult" thing to do.

What I mean,...and what Judge Judy means....is once you put information on the internet. It's there forever. It's stored on a company computer or on a personal computer. There is no taking it back. You need to be careful what you put out there be it personal information, hateful comments, or whatever.

The kids at school think it's cool to put some pics and blogs and such on MySpace, and they think when they are deleted from their account...then they are gone. They are not. Chances are someone downloaded them, or they are stored in archives somewhere. Even if you sign up for something on line...anything that you have to put your name on...it's out there...somewhere, forever and if someone wants to find it, they will.

What on earth did you think I was talking about? Why did you have to go and get petty (like saying my posts were sophomoric) about it without asking me about it first. Jesus.....

Kiasmama...I am sorry I misread your post. I thought you were saying that it's OK for people to do searches about people and then use that against them for whatever reason they want...My actual thought was why would you of all people think it is OK when it happened to you last week and we all jumped to your defense. That to me was sophomoric at best and not compassionate. But I see where I misread what you were saying and for that I am sorry.

Thanks Fallzone...wise advise. I don't know if I could even tap into my personal email address book.

Speaking of smack about the show...Greg in those tight green shorts, jumping around like a cheerleader and saying the thing about a wiener and Jackie staring at it. I had tears. But watched mainly for the cell phone incident and that was like 1 min at the end. Talk about trapping you.

Thanks again Fallzone...calmer heads usually prevail in the end.

DrB...alright, I'm up...the Grad was GREAT! Loads of fun. The kids got their yearbooks last night too so in addition to the usual middle school mania..we had the "signing of the yearbooks". Lot's of fun for all. My entire family was here and 12 kids...finally shut down at 11:15 because today is a school day. Luckily..middle school does not start here until 9:15.

I don't know when this whole middle school graduation thing started..I think it's a Florida thing...we have Kindergarten Grad, 5th grade Grad, Middle school grad and then high school. It's nuts!

Growing up in Texas we had kindergarten and high school...that's it!

That DVD will give you a great work out!

We were 102 for the high. Today will be 100 also (sigh). We only have 2 seasons, hot and cold!

Last Night's Episode:
For those of us who did see last night's episode (and perhaps those who didn't): Did anyone ELSE flinch when the coordinator and assistant were waiting for JW at SKYSport (I believe the coordinator said she'd been waiting for an hour an a half) and then JW's "solo spot/voice over" she said "I have a lot going on in my life and if you have to wait twenty minutes for me, then you have to just wait.".
I think this is VERY telling about JW's attitudes about herself and toward "other people" (who may are may NOT be as important as the illustrious Gym-owner/televisiont celebrity).
So many events during this season (don't remember last season) But Jessie has a dinner party, JW's late (Jessie offers an "excuse" saying that she runs on "Jackie time") .At the auction, everyone's asking where she is. I think she was even late to the taping of the exercise dvd.
The message I would get from that: "Everyone aceede's to MY schedule".
My 2 scheckles.
Gypsy in FL

I caught that also and thought it was rude. How is Jackie's time more important than anyone else"s? I can't believe I watched the entire show to get to the phone thing. And wow I can't believe the finale is already about to be here!

ON ANOTHER NOTE:
I am VERY glad they showed the recording of the exercise video. I had no concept of how grueling an event that would be. Although, I do wonder if JW's postponing might have had something to do with why the coordinator wanted to get it done all in one day. I'm wondering more if that had to do with "we have her (and the crew) captive...lets get it ALL done before we have to wait for her again".
Also thought it was interesting, only JW would design a workout video where she doesn't have to do all of the workouts. I noticed , after the warm-up, she had each of the other trainer's come up to do different aspects of the work out. (which I think is clever---but also, JW didn't really DO the workout). One last thing, JW did all that work to get in shape for the dvd, and she's wearing a long covering shirt during the recording, and an older picture of her on the cover.
Personally, I would like to hear from the dvd coordinator who worked with her about her impressions of working with the illustrious Ms. W.

Gypsy in FL

OH Girl! Don't even get me started on the "phone thing". What kind of conversation would ensue between Briana (or anyone else) and JW if she caught them looking at HER (JW's) cell phone? Wouldn't she consider THAT a breach of trust as well? Also, as I said in a post previous, I think JW might be "looking for a reason to break-up with Briana" because of several reasons, one being that I think she was still seeing Mimi.
If you recall in this episode she said something about when a person is so busy or overwhemed with so much to do then you think you would try to help that person. I think she was implying that Briana wasn't supportive, while JW was so busy with so many projects.
Oddly, I remember her having that same complaint about Mimi. Which makes me wonder if Mimi was ALL the problem in their relationship.
---Gypsy in FL

I'm still laughing about those shorts!! He did have quite the bulge, but you know that's not the first time that has been brought up. When they had do to the measurements last year with the Sky Labbers, the lady told Greg to get all the air out of his shorts and he told her it wasn't air it was him!! Now we know what Zen saw in (on) him!!
I think Jackie thought it was going to jump out and attack her, she looked scared as she was staring!

Hey fg...feel back to sleep. So you survived!!! Yea!! Do they get gifts for graduation? If so I feel robbed!

Reminded me of Jonathan from Blow Out. If you watched that, he kept someone waiting for hours once. Now there was a weird little man. I think in season one or two, Jackie got her hair cut by him.

Hey, I know defending oneself can be emotionally draining, but you have to remember that the trollers do it for that very reason, to deflect what they can't defend. In this case though, I think it was purely a misunderstanding and not reading a post thoroughly versus skimming it. I personally don't think anyone was truly attacking you.

I think what the problem really is all about, is that a number of us are so shell-shocked and defensive after the other night's verbal personal assault. I think we're looking too much into things as a consequence. I can't believe someone tried checking into you, as they did to Kia. It just shows that when someone can't debate or justify something, they look for something else to use to derail the issue.

It's up to each of us to remember who we are as a person and not let others scare us away using intimidation. Then they win. There's two ways of addressing issues: 1) debating/discussing issues and how you agree or disagree with something; or 2) demeaning or attacking another and menacing them in order to win.

If you let the No. 2's win, then we all lose. Just the same as letting the Jackie Warners win as well in how they treat others.

You are right, Larceny. We all have something to offer and say and that is most important. So did you see the show last night or at least the last minute with the phone?

No, I haven't yet. Didn't get a chance to. Did it enlighten us in anything?

No, not really. Just the continuation of Jackie's personality...I couldn't watch the work out portion, but saw the beginning and the end. I had to attend to other things during the show. I was mainly peeking at the show to see what the cell phone was about.

JC...did you watch? What did you think?

Unlikely. I do believe it may give some people a good work out but not only am I male, I'm also a lifetime runner and occasional triathlete. I'm not a big man and a a lot of my conditioning involves keeping mass on. I've been running most of my life and if I wasn't running, I'd probably be unhealthy but still thin. Just how I'm made-- more of a whippet (I was going to say chihuahua but that seemed pathetic) so yes, whippet as opposed to a pitbull.

I bought the DVD to support the show but as I said, I just don't "get" work out DVD's. I'm not saying they're bad but I would rather be outside running, swimming and cycling. For my overweight family members, I get them outside and get them moving. Walk here, walk there, walk anywhere. I think work out DVD's are useful for a while but then they seem like a chore and I think people get bored with them. Just my opinion. But don't forget, I bought the DVD to support the show. So don't go snarking up my tree!

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Still haven't watched the entire Work Out dvd or last night's show.

BTW: I dig your myspace page. Some very funny stuff on there. I especially like that you put it all out there. You're a good person.

Thanks for sharing.

I did and it was a huge SMASH Of course, I was promptly arrested and spent the night in jail...but none the less a smash!

WHAT?? Stop looking at me that way MommaKelly!! It's a song! Just a song. I happen to love The Sound of Music and this song just kept playing in my head. I have no idea why--really.

Thank you!

I love workout DVD's! They keep me going. Otherwise i would do one or two reps and quit LOL
I do enjoy exercising outside too. I ride my bike, hike and i LOVE to mow
grass! Im a big fan of billy blanks tae bo and boot camps. Im actually going to hear billy talk saturday and im really excited!
Im not like you, if i dont exercise, i get fat. I cant get comfy running cause i have bad knees and big boobs.

I did watch! I found it to be boring and staged to sell "THAT DAMN VIDEO". I thought Gregg was so funny with his "Cheerleader tryout routine" I am sure he didn't want any part of the DVD and wants to focus on his music.
Jackie with Brianna's cell phone just showed her insecurity.
Two of my, "Best Friends are ex-partners" thats why we broke up! We made better friends than partners. If a future partner has a problem with that, well he will need to get some help. Insecurities are not something I look for in a relationship and really turn me off...

Overall boring show.

Still chuckle when they all drink from those blurry blue things...

I also think they have tried to fit way to many story lines into each episode and its an edited mess. I would much rather see ALL of the Trainers and less Ms. Warner....

Just my thoughts....

I am with Jack123!

I have bought a few exercise video's and found that I only use them a few times. I would much rather put on my headphones and go to my own little mental space while I workout.

There is also allot of great hiking out here in the Desert, so I also agree some to Gracie.

Get up get out and get moving....

Oh running is evil. I can't imagine doing it with boobs! I don't push running on anyone because I don't think it's a good activity unless you've been doing it forever. I've been running so long that it's as much a mental thing as it is physical. Running can be a compulsive behavior. At least I have a lot of company.
I'm not a trainer or anything. I just like fitness, being active and enjoy learning more about it. From what I've read and learned, you can get as much if not more benefits from other activities besides running.
I'm a sucker for self-improvement and fitness books. You might want to check these books out; I thought they were really informative and gave me some new info that has been really useful. They sound like they're about bodybuilding but they're not.

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(he has one book geared more for men and then this one. I bought both and read both. I liked the one for women the best. But it really isn't just for women. I think that was a marketing decision.)

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P.S. I had no idea the Tae-Bo guy was still around? Didn't he sort of kick off the whole "bootcamp" concept?

You know, this is a problem for so many women. Almost all the women in my family are large and the men are small. But the men still have heart attacks and usually die before the women so it's a trade off.

We're just a primitive species walking around in a modern world. I should be running around with a spear and you should be putting away some fat reserves for baby making and energy when the food supply is low. That's just how it is. I don't think it's even physcially possible for women to get their body fat down as low as man's lowest body fat%? I think bad things happen when women try to do that. I think your skin turns gray, and you start growing a mustache! No but seriously, I have to look that up because I'm curious to know what the lowest healthy bodyfat % is for women?
Well, check out the books I mentioned. Lou Shuler explains exactly how to monitor your metabolic rate and exactly how many calories you can eat on "off" work-out days vs "on" days. I've been trying to do this for my mother. She loves it! (okay, that's a lie. She hates it. She's on a different planet when it comes to diet and exercise.) I have honestly applied a lot of the concepts in those books to my life and it has been very positive. I swear I don't work for them!

To show that I can see both sides of the story, I offer you these two thoughts!

1. I applaud Ms. Warner for taking control of the content and types of exercise routines! The last thing we need to see is a revival of "jazzercize" (not sure of spelling).

2. She cared about the physical impact the trainers were having with the length of time that was spent while filming.

There you have it "my ten cents"...

I almost forgot my Fn rating ...

Oh, I have to watch it.

It has been so boring lately. I agree with you about the trainers. I really enjoyed the mud run episode. I'd like to see more things like that.

With a little more shower and a little less mud... ...

You will love the part with Gregg.... funny stuff.......

Still miss Peeler (of course without the drama) He was so funny in the mud run, just chugging along...

I really want to know what's going on with Rebecca, since they alluded to a bad breakup and some personal issues. I love her and it was hard to see her struggling so much with the workouts. Jessie is growing on me bit by bit, I like that he does keep up with his blogs, but would love to see him with his own show away from Jackie.
I, too miss Peeler and his drama, cuz there were no boring shows with him around!!
Good to see such great dialogue!!

Until I checked this forum this morning I had completely forgotten that

show was on last night. Didn't even miss it. So many other things on

where few if anyone thinks they are IT and everyone who disagrees is

just disrespecting them. So refreshing.

Kari Ana

Kari Ana...let me say this....I joined this board to express the fact that I was extremely offended by Jackie Warner's behavior regarding a client and an employee. I have done that. This whole thing has gotten to the point that I am hesitant to post anything to do with the show.

I would like to see all of us get to a point beyond attacking each other (both sides) and get down to some useful and thought provoking discussion.

I personally have learned more about my gay/lesbian fellow citizens on this board than I have anywhere else for the past 20 years. I would like to create an environment that fosters that type of discussion.

It's okay to still be PO'd at the actions of JW, I am too. But the discussions that took place last week were counter productive and served no purpose for either viewpoint.

Just my 2 cents worth.

I have attacked no one. I simply stated that I didn't even realize that

show was on last night. I said nothing negative about anyone in this

group. I have not attacked anyone on this group. I defended myself

a few times. I deeply resent your reply as it is assuming that I have

been a troll. I do not attack people and I am right now feeling very

much attacked by you.

Kari Ana

That is very unfortunate, because that was not in anyway my intention.

KariAna

I did not see anything in the post that used the word "Troll". I am only wondering if you don't watch the show, "Why are you Here"? You have somehow put words (assuming) into someone else's mouth... Bravo, Workout is what this post is all about.
We are all on some kink emotional roller coaster with this show! Whether friend or foe of one cast member (Jackie) everyone is entitled to their opinion... We all have great laughs and fun, but we are here to talk about the show and cast.... (at least I am ) I have also met some great people along the way...

Kari Ana has been faithful to her decision to drop Work Out until a reasonable apology appeared from Bravo or its "star". This is a dandy fine place to read about that right away. Unfortunately, KA, you're going to miss the blurry product placements, kharma kickbacks and pratfalls [see below].

I also think the editing this season has been totally off the wall ... from impossible outfit changes to outside views at the Gym looking like time-lapse shots. I'm sure Lisa mentioned something about "surgery" prior to the spa retreat, but here she was asking for a day off. They did get something right, award winning if there were a category for juxtaposition: the pratfall preceding a through slap-down by the video producers. It was a perfect example of foreshadowing. I wonder if post-production had money invested?

Hi there...

Four days ago, my modem died. DEAD. So, forgive me if I wander in with the following...

Bravo is a station in the NBC family. NBC is OWNED by GE. Therefore, Bravo is a GE product.

This all make sense? Good.

Other than that, how are you all?

Skates
Happy that her new modem works and works well!!! Yay! Good DSL.

No problem. I'm PMSing a bit, so....I'm a little quick on the trigger (no pun intended)

I was hoping you would drop by. So what is your take on last nights episode???? Hope you read my post regarding ex-partners "would love to hear your take on the ending". Thanks JC

LMAO I was thinking the same thing!!! the main person of the video gets out of doing most of the video workout! Thats' too funny. I was also surprised about her choice of clothing...not what I expected.

Also to comment on the "if they have to wait 20 mins" thing. WOW, how rude. Someone approaches you with a great opportunity...is paying for your dvd video that you will make money on and you have that attitude? Another very telling action of what kind of a person she is. Wow.

you can send me your exercise DVDs and i will do them! LMAO

I will look for them! thanks

I think women body builders get in the 4% range which is terribly unhealthy. I can't recall, but I beleive under 7% is when our periods stop. I think very well trained women athletes rarely get under 9%.

What you say about the mustache (I think in jest about steroids) is not far off. Anorexics can grow fur. Seriously.....they grow fur to keep their bodies warm.

Not to sound like Larry King, but 'can't we all just get along?'. LOL!
That being said, my better half is NOT the funny one in this shindig and I try to find humor in everything. Speaking of humor, how about Jackie dancing for training? Greg with dreads in tight green shorts...where do you even buy those? That was almost worse than a Speedo.

Following up on fgnelson and my chat yesterday morning about sex ed...this was the talk my sister and I got from our grandma about sex. "Girls, penis' are not pretty, but your husband is going to think it is so you just let him think that." That was it. Nothing more, nothing less.

That's hysterical! She was right. Too bad she ended the conversation with that ...still laughing.

Wankies are ugly. But if you ever get the urge to paint on, they make great lil firemen!