I guess you still do not understand what I have witten in all my postings, and since you do not want to hear what you consider my repitious comments I won't waste my time trying to explain.

I just noticed Soyjoy is still on workouts homepage????

Yeah, I noticed that too...the letter was very specific that they had requested Bravo not to air their ads during Work Out. Hmmmm....

I totally agree with you on what you said, except, "Has anyone seen my missiing Testicle." I would have to say, has anyone seen my missing breasts and lumph nodes anywhere.

I do feel Deenie was a little combative in her approach to Gregg. I think Gregg and Jackie were wrong in what they said.

And yes it does take hard work to regain your original size after surgery.
I have been there and done that, it is work, hard work.

Thanks for the info...I just sent an email to GLAAD...Good God, if Jackie Warner is the best role model they could come up with..we are all in trouble. No thanks!

"Air their ads during Work Out" is the operative phrase. Maybe they had forgotten to mention the printed ad on the Work Out homepage or maybe they did but Bravo has just not pulled the page to rework it

Excuse me for a moment... I'm just going to jump in here on the Deenie thing. I'm not totally clear on what the argument with Deenie is but I'll give my take on the situation. I think Deenie's response was out of line. She crossed some boundaries when she started attacking Gregg. That's not how one should handle a situation like that. Lisa, of course, did not help. Ultimately, Jackie should have handled the whole thing in a much more professional matter. I don't disagree with Jackie on the fact that Deenie might have some "issues" but it was simply wrong to state that to Gregg or the cameras. A simple, "I'll look into it." would have sufficed. I like Gregg. He's a very intelligent and a very qualified trainer. I'm sure that he's learned in the past that keeping a client at 'arms' length is probably a good thing. Unfortunately, there are too many people out there who become obsessed with anyone who shows kindness to them. I'm sorry but I think Deenie has some of these issues in addition to some overall immaturity.

As far as Jackie goes, I guess I'm just disappointed about how she has decided to play things out. Look, we can't say "cancel the show" just because we don't like Jackie. She's just who she is. Maybe she never wanted to be a champion of the gay and lesbian community? She's certainly not obligated to do so. Should Bravo cancel a show just because the central player is a hollow narcisstic she-devil? I'm not sure.

Bottom line: The Jamie Eason thing was wrong on so many levels. At a minimum, Bravo should address it. It's unfortunate that Jackie has denied involvement and offered nothing substantial in terms of an apology.

-I think Bravo needs to make a statement regarding their 'disappointment' in Jackie's behavior.

-I think Bravo needs to rethink the format of the show. Jackie is an unpleasant person so why not start shooting at another gym all together or part-time and slowly shift away from Jackie?

I like Work Out but not this year's 'Real World' celebutrash wannabe format and the overall focus on Jackie. I'd hate to see the entire show be canceled but if it continues down this path, I will stop watching... not completely because of Jackie but also because of their attempt to make it a sleezy T&A show. Do they think we're that stupid? Zen and Andre are gone and now we have Ranessa (moved to LA with her daughter to be an actress), and Greg (decent guy but let's get real about his intentions).

C'mon Bravo! Give us some real trainers!!!! There are plenty of dedicated, hot, bi-sexual, gay, straight, trannie trainers in LA to fill many seasons to come! We're not idiots! And for God's sake, please move out of Jackie Warner's ASS!

fnelson

Thank you so much and its nice to see you on here again...

I did that when I first saw she was up for an award, I have heard back from them already. Let me know what was included with their email. They were very specific in the email.

Thanks JC...been dealing with a very sick child (strep throat) but this really has my blood boiling and I am on it!

Thank you, thank you, you said it so much better than I did.

Thank you, thank you, you said it so much better than I did.

Thank you, thank you, you said it so much better than I did.

Yeah, Renessa was 'hired' for the show through Central Casting. It's the same place where Peeler went to audition or whatever. Renessa admitted in an interview that she went into to it "with the idea of playing her part a certain way." She said however that "it was very hard to stay in that character all the time so mostly what you get is her." Greg was also cast. BTW: I think it's interesting that Renessa is 28 and has a 12 year old daughter... not because of the age thing but more regarding some of her choices. How do we know it's not reality? Ummm, wouldn't a single mom discuss missing her daughter while on a week long cruise? Or maybe Bravo thinks we're all brain dead and that somehow Renessa's daughter will work against her sex-appeal? Jeez, these producers are IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!

As far as GLAAD goes, let's see... they're honoring Jackie Warner for what? So if you're gay and on TV, somehow you're a positive role model by default? Is this where we are now? Sad.

Bravo is really lowering itself. Maybe Project Runway is right to move....

Ok i just made a totally brilliant observation~! (yes, im tooting my own horn!)

I think that Jackie's DVD was made long before this season started, even though they showed the conversation between her and that woman. Look at the cover of the DVD. She has short hair. This season, she has long hair.

Sorry about the triple post, my computer or Bravo locked up for a few minutes.

I think it's clear from the different repsonses that this season's shows have hit different nerves with everyone. Some it's the sexual harresment, some it's the Gregg and Deenie situation, some it's the Jamie Eason incident/firing of Peeler, some it's the fact she had cancer and some it was the idea of any one being poked fun of by the staff at a gym. The common demoninator being Jackie's behavior and handeling of each.

Everyone is going to react to all this differently and some of these strike a stronger cord than others. No one is right or wrong to be upset by one more than the other, I am sure if we all identified what walks of life we come from we would be a diverse group.

The one thing we can do collectively is to lend the support to the sponsors who have responded.

For the record I don't think Workout would be retooled much if brought back, it's synonomous with Jackie Warner and I am sure there are some legal issues to that as well. That being said, I would enjoy a show than more driven by the stories of the gym the inspirational, and yes the backstoires of the trainers and less about the infomercial it is becoming. If the powers that be at Bravo were smart they would be re-editing the rest of the season.

Just my two cents.

You probably got the same e-mail about how she is a positive role model for the GLBT community... And something about her portrayal on TV sheds positive light on the gay community... yada yada yada...

That was before this year... write again you will get a different response but again... yada yada yada

....Whooa! That's a might big judgement on so little information...and quite frankly playing a bit on stereo type of the "lonely fat girl." I mean..hey...from my experience...being very large goes exactly opposite...You EXPECT to be rejected and shunned because of your size...which makes it very...very hard to go into a gym or sporting good store or even the YMCA for goodness sake!

Just two weeks ago I was shopping for a bike. Worked my nerve up to go to the local sporting good's store. Stood for FIVE minutes in the bike area looking at the women's comfort bikes. Was right there...checking out the seats and prices. The guy working the department past me THREE times and never stopped to ask me if I needed help. He had no other customers. My immediate assumption...doesn't want to deal with me because I'm "FAT". It's happened before. Maybe he was just poor customer service. Either way I got P.O. and left. Took my money else where.

Bought the bike I wanted online anyway (not sold in the store) and my sis-in-law convinced me the guys at the local bike shop were cool and to have them put it together for me. I did and they were ( but it was still intimidating being a very big out of shape middle age woman in a shop full of men who obviously race bikes). They got my bike setup for me, help me with a buying a helmet and even helped me secure it to a bike rack in the rain. Definitely felt like a valued customer...and am now starting to bike ride.

Anwyay, I would have reacted EXACTLY like Deenie (ok maybe without the swearing..depends on how truly ticked off I was) if someone had chimed in that I needed more "love and affection."

What Deenie was asking for was "respect." She wanted her phone calls returned. Her trainer to turn up on time and she wanted help in working around her injury..and btw having had a severely sprained ankle...I can tell you it is a REAL injury that causes a lot of problems and does need painful PT to get over.

She wanted a "working relationship" with her trainer. She wasn't getting that...and the way I saw it..people were treating her like she was the over emotional "fat girl." She wanted to be treated like a respected customer.

She probably needed to some work outs in a pool. IMHO

Again...this is just my opinon.

sr

I could not agree more. Please for the sake of decency go to your cable box and remove Bravos channel with parental controls. Bravo hasn't even responded to any of our emails with a response. This was all filmed months ago and Bravo had plenty of time to decide if Workout season 3 was trash or not. The show was hyped preseason with Bravos stamp of approval.

My mother died of breast cancer and at this point their is nothing Jackie can say to make me feel better. Jackie had her chance to make things right with a heartfelt apology during the show or even after in a blog or something. Instead it looks like she was happy with the way she handled things. I hope Jakie goes bankrupt at this point.

Bravo has also lost my respect, how dare they revictimize woman who had to have their breasts removed due to cancer. Bravo is playing us, they are waiting to see if this weeks episode has good viewership. They are probably counting on it. Shame on Jackie and shame on Bravo.

I read Deenie's response and no longer feel bad for her . At first during the show I felt that she was wronged by Greg but after reading her post and hearing about how she let the produces of the show feed into the situation. Any person with self respect would of turned their car around after the first phone call saying Greg wasn't showing, unless you were only on the show to be on TV. She complains about the way she was being treated but still stayed on the show and let herself be treated that way. Then we learn she is a actor, Hm. Lastly in her post she asks us to tune in tonight, well no thanks Hun.

I only want to see what happens to Peeler... If someone promises to tell me I wont watch, he is the only reason I watch the show... Oh wait, The new Greg is total motivation, but I can pic him up on any news stand....

Just heard back from GLAAD..wish I knew how to paste the letter but it basically says...that GLAAD has not honored Ms. Warner with any awards...that her show, Work Out has been nominated for its inclusion and portrayal of several gay and lesbian clients and trainers...Hmmmm....So I guess you can be a really crappy person as long as you put gay and lesbians on your show? Oh.

I am afraid we are all receiving the same thing....

You do realize they have teamed with Bravo to air the Award Show this year.....

Here is the Link to the General Manager at the Dolphin Bay Resort and Spa were they hold there Skylab Retreats.... Notice they dropped the price by $1000.00...

mraynaud@thedolphinbay.com



If you get a moment they would love to hear from you....

Wants to derail our protest over what happened last week and have us tune in this week to "watch what happens"... not so very subtle - they must think we are quite unintelligent, gullible, or both!

She has been the quest of honor at some of their fundraisers....

Ya know, it just strikes me wrong that GLAAD (Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation) obviously thinks that Jackie Warner and her piggish behavior is a good thing? Aren't they in the business of portraying Gay/Lesbian in a positive light? Jackie being a pig has nothing to do with the fact that she's a lesbian...but if I were GLAAD I wouldn't want to be associated with her.

Yeah SoyJoy!!!!!!!!!!!

They just e-mailed me back too! I love it. I wonder if bravo is going to lock this board too?

I agree (defamation of Character) hers is defamed maybe we should reward her.... Oh wait she is a gay woman on TV... I have no problem with her destroying our own community... I guess we have no choice!!!

Here is a spoiler she looses to Kathy... However I thought it was just an honer to be nominated?????

When she had short hair in season 1 3 years ago she was pretty HOT...now she's not..dvd content may have the long hair version of jackie.....

SHHHHH there are wabbuts in here....

They Local News Station for the SLO area (Pismo Beach) is KSPY news. I believe they are owned by ABC....

Sorry

Exactly! If we are serious about what we have expressed, how hard is it to miss this show?!

To me, it becomes easier and easier as the time goes by and Bravo does not even bother to respond to our concerns (except to lock down a couple of posting threads of course!!!!).

Why should they take us seriously if their ratings don't back up what we are saying?!!!

Okay you guys, here is a real treat for Y'all....go to you tube i do not know how to create a link........if one of you guys can help that would be great......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoxqj_ gml8...............some guy, filmed this clip. he made clips of other gyms to pitch an idea of a reality show about a gym........this is a must see!!!!!!! At THE TIME SHE ACKNOWDEDGES THAT HER BUSINESS PARTNER IS Jillian Michaels.............. the you tube clip title is Sky sport.......please create a link of this and post it so all of can enjoy.thanks

youtube.com/watch?v=xoxqj_gml8 this has only been posted on utube for one month.....by naldis 5332

Sorry about yelling yall... just got me all mad thinking that after all the real concerns expressed and how hard people have worked to continue to express their outrage after threads have been locked, and Bravo has seemingly ignored us and some sponsors have not acknowledged all of our efforts that some of us would even consider watching the show tonight...

All Bravo cares about is the ratings and that is the last thing we have to use to get our point across to them and I just don't want them to be able to say that it was all "much ado about nothing" because of the ratings.

I'm proud of everyone who has continued to try to right these wrongs against all odds - you all ROCK!!!!

I have to say anyone of us who contacted a sponsor, Bravo, or anyother organization to take action, out of prinipal shouldn't watch the show. We can't ask others to change their business practices and we continue to watch as a guilty pleasure.

I wasn't judging Deenie for her size at all. I really wasn't. Hmmmm.... let me see if I can clarify...

--To me, Deenie's outburst was too much. I'm not saying she wasn't justified in her irritation with a late or absent trainer, but her blabbering on about "my life, my journey" and all the emotional drama was out of line. Deenie's reaction alone is what made me question her stability. It had nothing to do with her size or who she may be on a daily basis and now that I've read her blog and know that she's an "actress;" I'm not really surprised by the drama. But still, what some people call drama and emotion can easily be defined as a mood disorder in my book. Fine, be emotional, be passionate but know when and where it's appropriate.

--Deenie does make excuses. I just read her blog and everything was a rationalization and justification for what she did. Even her blog was emotional. I think it would be very difficult to train her. We all make excuses for various things in our lives, but hers are clearly related to food and exercising. Her needs go beyond just working out. I don't see her as 'fat and lonely' at all. I suspect she has many friends but I also get the feeling that Deenie needs to be the center of attention and that she needs alot of stroking. An emotionally independent person would not feel as rejected and wounded as Deenie did about Gregg's behavior. Deenie made the issue with Gregg very personal and it wasn't. Gregg was wrong for being late, etc but it had nothing to do with Deenie on any sort of personal level.

--Now this brings me to Gregg. Let's be real; Gregg should not be training Deenie or any out of shape, over-weight or obese person. He's an athlete's trainer. Gregg has been an athlete his entire life and went to college on a full athletic scholarship. Unless he's had some serious training regarding psychological issues relating to food, self-esteem, etc, he's not going to get it. The producers know this, Jackie knows this and that's exactly why they keep giving Gregg the most over-weight clients! He hates it, they get upset and yippee skippee do, Bravo gets their conflict.

--As far as Gregg keeping Deenie at arm's length... that doesn't have anything to do with Deenie's size. That's just a generalization regarding anyone in a profession where you must work close to or even touch a client. It should never get too personal or it just gets ookie. I don't think I need to go in depth.... Deenie wanted to emotionally lean on Gregg. She definitely wanted more of his attention (not in a romantic way) and it has nothing to do with her size. There are plenty of skinny, pretty girls who behave the same way. But trainers can't get that involved with their clients. Forget the boundary thing, it's also just a time management thing. I realize that we've seen very little of Deenie but I get the feeling she's someone who can just wear you out.

yeah yeah yeah... the other trainers (at least Jesse) spend more time with and call their SkyLab clients but they also get a lot more camera time when they do. I don't think it would be the same away from the cameras. I don't know of any program in any field where you're allowed to call your trainer anytime 24/7 without being charged for it! People have their own lives and unless you're on your way to the olympics and expected to win a gold medal and I'm your coach, don't call me unless it's scheduled and I'm being paid. If Jackie wants her trainers to be life coaches as well, then those hours and the total number allowed per week better be included in the contract.... I know that may sound harsh but there have to be clear lines otherwise people will just take advantage of it.... not everyone but Deenie has some sort serious entitlement thing going there...

Oh, yeah. Gregg should have been on time but it should have never turned into this drama....

Deenie needs to take a step back and get a sense of just how many people live in this world. Her "ME" thing is almost as big as Jackie's....

Alright-enough about Deenie. I have a question about Peeler but this post is already too long... OY!

JD thinks we are eating up all of this drama and is happy PEELER is gone.

He says he and Peeler are friends but it is hard to work in a place were Jackie and Peeler hate each other.

He also states Dennie finds her way???

He also said Jackie publicly apologized (where she did this I do not know)

He also said after Peeler was gone he had to step in his place as a trainer to Shannon (Peelers old Skylab client).

He also thought the resort was great...

some talk of throwing up and stuff.....

This is not a teaser to watch....

Just a recap of what I heard.

He also talked of allot of drama and hooking up (that was his teaser)

I hope we stand strong together and don't watch....

I just read some of JD's comments about Peeler in his blog and while I understand he knows him and we don't, his comments don't make sense in the context of what happened with Peeler and Jackie. Not that JD was applying his opinion to the blowout with Peeler and Jackie, but I'm just saying that his opinion of Peeler may not be quite as true as he believes. I think Peeler doing what he did by standing up to Jackie had nothing to do with him wanting attention, but more to do with him standing up for his friends and doing what was right. He said Peeler comes off as disingenious. I think in the blowout with Jackie Peeler came off as nothing but genuine and honest and loyal. Jackie was the one who came off as disingenious. She's the one who lied about her role in the incident with Jamie Eason!!

Ali

It makes perfect sense! This was filmmed over a period of time...

HEY!!! JACKIE was on GOOD MORNING AMERICA , today who saw that , and what was said... no body mentioned seeing the segment. on these boards today. I was just over at la rag mag and someone left a comment,,,( a nasty one)

I was just on GMA website and found nothing....

according to andy cohn's blog jackie was in NYC last night for the big bash the bravo and ? universal station, put on at rockefella plaza , so that advertisers can meet , and greet.....is Good Morning America on the bravo mother station???

Didn't see or hear about it until you mentioned it. What was the comment if I may ask?

Ok....well...obviously..I was wrong in that you weren't make a judgement on little information. You have read much more about Deenie and Gregg than I have.

I was going only by what I saw in the episode and in Deenie's post. Based on what you have said...a) I agree...Greg definitely should not be Deenie's trainer. B) I do understand about the boundaries of professionals.

In the clip I saw I didn't get that Deenie was asking for a best buddy but was looking to feel like Gregg really did value her as a customer (returned her calls...but if the calls were frivolous and not about setting up appointments..then you are right...Gregg had to set boundaries).

Finally...as for a mood disorders....well... LOL I can speak to that too. I would never ever try and determine who does and does not have a mood disorder...but I can tell you that if you are a person living with one and it is not being managed then yeah..your view of the world is skewed and interpersonal interactions can be a b***h.

Drama doesn't even BEGIN to touch it...but hey...the HIGHS are unbelievable! The euphoric ride is the best one you'll ever do..and that's part of what makes it such a beast to treat and get under control. You love the highs but forget the hell of the lows. If you do have a mood disorder or you know of someone who does...do what you can to help keep it managed. People are not meant to live on roller coasters.

sr

GO to LARAGMAG site.........comment # 40 re article Jackie appologies to fans. comment made by BELLA stating I just watched Ms Wadell, (Jackie Warner) on Good Morning America.....What a joke..............etc etc

Totally can't find it, you got a link?