So now this entire thing is okay. Why? Because Deenie is an actress

and has behaviors that are not attrative. So this makes what happened

to Deenie okay? I don't think so. Neither is the Peeler/Jackie thing

okay. Why have you really decided to change your attitude about this

situation?

Kari Ana

Hey, this is the opportunity to vote against really bad taste in television by boycotting "Work Out" and all of it's garbage!

according to andy cohn's blog jackie was in NYC last night for the big bash the bravo and ? universal station, put on at rockefella plaza , so that advertisers can meet , and greet.....is Good Morning America on the bravo mother station???

PETITION STATUS

I am currently drafting the final version of the letter to Bravo and NBC. It will be sent tomorrow morning. I will post a complete copy here when I am finished. In the meantime, continue to spread the word!

PETITION CALLING FOR WORKOUT CANCELLATION

I've started an online petition for those willing to back up their opinions/comments here with a strong message to Bravo and the makers of Propel Fitness Water. The formal letter will be sent to Bravo on Monday (tomorrow).

Copies will go to the National Exercise and Sports Trainers Assocation and the International Sports Science Association (organizations which certify Ms. Warner) as well as Gatorade (makers of Propel Fitness Water), HRC, The American Cancer Society, The City of Beverly Hills, CA and NBC.

I will post a copy of the letter here.

Spread the word!

PETITION LOCATION: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/petition/643731154

UPDATE: 485 signatures - Keep them coming! Propel Fitness water and Soyjoy are GONE! Jackie may be the dictator of her gym, but it is the VIEWERS who have the ultimate say in her show's success or lack thereof! Post a link to this wherever you can, public boards, blogs, email, etc.

I think NBC is the 'Mother-Ship' of all this stuff. Hitting em in their sponsors is the equivalent of a huge punch to the gut (aka wallet). Kudos to those few sponsors who have chosen to pull adds from the show until they can watch for themselves and form their own opinion about whether the actions portrayed on this show best represent their respective products.

I made a comment to Soy Bars about their use of the word 'Positive' in their add, but how the show completely contradictcs their ideals. I'm sure many others did the same.

I'm getting free soy bars out of the effort, of which I plan on having a 'positive' party with a few close friends while we kick back, watch some TV, nosh on Soy Bars, sip on some Propel Fitness water, and enjoy some home-style entertainment. We won't be watching Bravo TV, probably something we can all enjoy and giggle at (Colbert Report, John Stewart...). I have a few buddies who have decided to spend Tuesday evenings at my house for bubbaque, Soy Bars, and Propel and TV (Non-Bravo) until this thing comes to an end.

I strongly urge anyone out there of a like mind to celebrate the accomplishments of this fine group of folks (the ones writing on these boards) with high standards of decency.

Your (actually, everyone's) efforts have made a difference. We may never get an appology from Bravo TV or from JW-Waddell, but ripples were made in some veeeery big ponds for large industries to take action to at least pull their adds until they can make a decision for themselves.

Well Done All! I have to say I'm proud!

If anyone has contact with Peeler, remind him, he has a GREAT opportunity opening up in front of him...don't abuse it...stay true to your Carolina roots!!! I passed a Peterbuilt Truck on the highway on the way home tonight and had to smile. The inference I got from it is that you (Peeler) have to be bigger than all of this if you want to benefit from it (Bigger than the gym you were fired from, Bigger than the woman who fired you, Bigger than the network that set you up) Go for it, Bubby - take your shot!!!! You've been set up to WIN! Do the right thing with it!!!

I just received an email reply from Soyjoy...they have pulled their ads from Work Out until they can review the episode.

PETITION STATUS

I am currently drafting the final version of the letter to Bravo and NBC. It will be sent tomorrow morning. I will post a complete copy here when I am finished. In the meantime, continue to spread the word!

PETITION CALLING FOR WORKOUT CANCELLATION

I've started an online petition for those willing to back up their opinions/comments here with a strong message to Bravo and the makers of Propel Fitness Water. The formal letter will be sent to Bravo on Monday (tomorrow).

Copies will go to the National Exercise and Sports Trainers Assocation and the International Sports Science Association (organizations which certify Ms. Warner) as well as Gatorade (makers of Propel Fitness Water), HRC, The American Cancer Society, The City of Beverly Hills, CA and NBC.

I will post a copy of the letter here.

Spread the word!

PETITION LOCATION: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/petition/643731154

UPDATE: 485 signatures - Keep them coming! Propel Fitness water and Soyjoy are GONE! Jackie may be the dictator of her gym, but it is the VIEWERS who have the ultimate say in her show's success or lack thereof! Post a link to this wherever you can, public boards, blogs, email, etc.

QUOTE(JCpalmsprings @ May 13, 2008 - 11:39 AM) I have signed everything as well and even posted links... If you had seen some of the other shows she (deenie) has been on you would see some of her behaviors... Remember there is alot of editing... I also believe that when this show was finished Bravo had no idea these 2 episodes would cause so much harm and offened so many people....

I agree with this person it is all for the show and rating. They all are getting paid very well to act like well to be nice...jerks... and they all new what they were getting into. As to the comment later about Jackie's DVD hello it is scripted and it all is happening months ahead of time! Do you not think that there are worse shows on TV? Are you getting upset about other shows that are on even in prime time that our children are watching? Maybe you are great but if not I don't think (this is my opinion) that all this bashing is necessary.

What about Soy Joy?

Soy Joy said they would pull their adds and review the show in question.

Shadowrider, what is your agenda here? I am trying to figure out why you are here calmly trying to get us to drop this, hate Deenie and love Jackie...what is your stake in all this if you're not Jackie or one of the trainers trying to save your show and job?? I'm just very curious.

I like the show! I take it as a show and I have started working out. I think you are making a big deal over nothing! If you don't like the show and a lot of people do then change the *** channel and shut up. I know you are entilted to your opinion but so am I am and I don't want anything to happen because you guys have an issue with Jackie.

I like the show! I take it as a show and I have started working out. I think you are making a big deal over nothing! If you don't like the show and a lot of people do then change the *** channel and shut up. I know you are entilted to your opinion but so am I am and I don't want anything to happen because you guys have an issue with Jackie.

Shadowrider, what is your agenda here? I am trying to figure out why you are here calmly trying to get us to drop this, hate Deenie and love Jackie...what is your stake in all this if you're not Jackie or one of the trainers trying to save your show and job?? I'm just very curious.

Ya know, it occurs to me that it would be a strategic move to put a "plant" into this mix to see if we could start fighting amongst ourselves...thus creating a negative atmosphere to disperse us - or get us off-track.

Shadowrider has as much right to its opinion as we do. Don't play into it and get upset over nothing...stay the course.

--Now this brings me to Gregg. Let's be real; Gregg should not be training Deenie or any out of shape, over-weight or obese person. He's an athlete's trainer. Gregg has been an athlete his entire life and went to college on a full athletic scholarship. Unless he's had some serious training regarding psychological issues relating to food, self-esteem, etc, he's not going to get it. The producers know this, Jackie knows this and that's exactly why they keep giving Gregg the most over-weight clients! He hates it, they get upset and yippee skippee do, Bravo gets their conflict.

--As far as Gregg keeping Deenie at arm's length... that doesn't have anything to do with Deenie's size. That's just a generalization regarding anyone in a profession where you must work close to or even touch a client. It should never get too personal or it just gets ookie. I don't think I need to go in depth.... Deenie wanted to emotionally lean on Gregg. She definitely wanted more of his attention (not in a romantic way) and it has nothing to do with her size. There are plenty of skinny, pretty girls who behave the same way. But trainers can't get that involved with their clients. Forget the boundary thing, it's also just a time management thing. I realize that we've seen very little of Deenie but I get the feeling she's someone who can just wear you out.

I beg to differ on Gregg's ability to train the obese - look at what he did with Tess, AFTER knee surgery. That is a real injury, and he had her losing a lot of weight, running on the treadmill, etc, by the end of the season. I think Gregg has a lot to offer people of all sizes.

Perhaps Deenies excuses got in her way, perhaps she wanted a 'friend' more than she wanted a trainer, or perhaps there was a little transference (sp?) going on there, but Gregg has the chops.

As far as being on time, yes, he should be on time, but Los Angeles is a tough town for that.

I actually respect him for keeping business, business... personal, personal, etc. Jackie could learn a thing or two from him! lol!

I beg to differ on Gregg's ability to train the obese - look at what he did with Tess, AFTER knee surgery. That is a real injury, and he had her losing a lot of weight, running on the treadmill, etc, by the end of the season. I think Gregg has a lot to offer people of all sizes.

Perhaps Deenies excuses got in her way, perhaps she wanted a 'friend' more than she wanted a trainer, or perhaps there was a little transference (sp?) going on there, but Gregg has the chops.

As far as being on time, yes, he should be on time, but Los Angeles is a tough town for that.

I actually respect him for keeping business, business... personal, personal, etc. Jackie could learn a thing or two from him! lol!

I beg to differ on Gregg's ability to train the obese - look at what he did with Tess, AFTER knee surgery. That is a real injury, and he had her losing a lot of weight, running on the treadmill, etc, by the end of the season. I think Gregg has a lot to offer people of all sizes.

Perhaps Deenies excuses got in her way, perhaps she wanted a 'friend' more than she wanted a trainer, or perhaps there was a little transference (sp?) going on there, but Gregg has the chops.

As far as being on time, yes, he should be on time, but Los Angeles is a tough town for that.

I actually respect him for keeping business, business... personal, personal, etc. Jackie could learn a thing or two from him! lol!

You're a troublemaker is what you are. If you like the show, then TURN IT ON, GET OFF this board and go on your merry way. You're not going to change our opinion as far as our morals go, so poof buh bye. So why don't you just get off this board, so go get your tips from the front page, watch the show and leave us be. Oh and don't tell me to SHUT UP because it's too late for you and your agenda. Besides instead of wasting your time here and you are, start your own campaign.

So now I am a "plant", ha, but still have a right to my opinion, thanks! May I ask what is the course? If it is to make the show better (with Jackie and rest of the crew), maybe I will try to see your point.

BTW, I have to completely disagree with you. The rest of the world shows up at least 15 min. early for important appointments. We don't let clients wait or feel like they are taking a back seat to anything. They are the ones paying for service...hence why service is foremost in our business...Clients pay our bills...we must respect that when we have an appointment with one, there are no excuses (short of personal death) that comes before their needs. Gregg has no excuses. He has treated his client poorly...that simple.

Okay, I can agree with that. When I thought of Tess, I thought about her getting upset, crying and I remembered Gregg talking about how they were still just trying to get her to a place where her body would finally start burning fat in work outs... something like that. But that was when he was confronted by Jackie about Tess not losing enough weight so I guess my perception of that relationship was a bit askew. He and Tess seemed to work quite well together. I guess maybe I was just trying to give Deenie one more excuse... heh:)

I like Gregg a lot and wish they would give him more time....

His blog about the Deenie topic is hilarious.

Read back through all the posts to get the gist of the course...it basically calls for common decency, honest, and positive role models. As a teacher, you should be able to at least agree with that point.

Well, I think Gregg's blog pretty much explains the situation. And I agree with him that if your trainer is late, do some cardio. Her ankle would not have prevented her from riding a stationary bike or doing something... anything until he got there!

As for the whole drama... Bravo played us for fools. That whole thing was set up. Deenie was told to go to the gym for an on-camera training session w/ Gregg. Before she arrived, the producers called her and said that Gregg wouldn't be there (most likely he was never told). The producer then told her to save her anger for the cameras. That's from Deenie's blog on MySpace and THAT is just lame Real World, adolescent crap that the producers have decided to play this year! Another reason the show sucks this season.

Thank you for being professional and I will do the same. I agree we do need positive role models. But may I ask you who these role models are for? I mean are you thinking children?

So, if I understand it you do not really want to see the show of the air you just want to see a better show? Because I have to tell you going to the gym tonight I didn't see any of the female trainers wearing what Rebecca and Ren. wear, ha. In fact tonight when Rebecca said to Gregg well you still have to have "sex" when he was talking about the crush I thought was out of line. So if all this is to improve the show then I am for it and will help.

Read back through all the posts to get the gist of the course...it basically calls for common decency, honest, and positive role models. As a teacher, you should be able to at least agree with that point.

I wasn't judging Deenie for her size at all. I really wasn't. Hmmmm.... let me see if I can clarify...

--To me, Deenie's outburst was too much. I'm not saying she wasn't justified in her irritation with a late or absent trainer, but her blabbering on about "my life, my journey" and all the emotional drama was out of line. Deenie's reaction alone is what made me question her stability. It had nothing to do with her size or who she may be on a daily basis and now that I've read her blog and know that she's an "actress;" I'm not really surprised by the drama. But still, what some people call drama and emotion can easily be defined as a mood disorder in my book. Fine, be emotional, be passionate but know when and where it's appropriate.

--Deenie does make excuses. I just read her blog and everything was a rationalization and justification for what she did. Even her blog was emotional. I think it would be very difficult to train her. We all make excuses for various things in our lives, but hers are clearly related to food and exercising. Her needs go beyond just working out. I don't see her as 'fat and lonely' at all. I suspect she has many friends but I also get the feeling that Deenie needs to be the center of attention and that she needs alot of stroking. An emotionally independent person would not feel as rejected and wounded as Deenie did about Gregg's behavior. Deenie made the issue with Gregg very personal and it wasn't. Gregg was wrong for being late, etc but it had nothing to do with Deenie on any sort of personal level.

--Now this brings me to Gregg. Let's be real; Gregg should not be training Deenie or any out of shape, over-weight or obese person. He's an athlete's trainer. Gregg has been an athlete his entire life and went to college on a full athletic scholarship. Unless he's had some serious training regarding psychological issues relating to food, self-esteem, etc, he's not going to get it. The producers know this, Jackie knows this and that's exactly why they keep giving Gregg the most over-weight clients! He hates it, they get upset and yippee skippee do, Bravo gets their conflict.

--As far as Gregg keeping Deenie at arm's length... that doesn't have anything to do with Deenie's size. That's just a generalization regarding anyone in a profession where you must work close to or even touch a client. It should never get too personal or it just gets ookie. I don't think I need to go in depth.... Deenie wanted to emotionally lean on Gregg. She definitely wanted more of his attention (not in a romantic way) and it has nothing to do with her size. There are plenty of skinny, pretty girls who behave the same way. But trainers can't get that involved with their clients. Forget the boundary thing, it's also just a time management thing. I realize that we've seen very little of Deenie but I get the feeling she's someone who can just wear you out.

yeah yeah yeah... the other trainers (at least Jesse) spend more time with and call their SkyLab clients but they also get a lot more camera time when they do. I don't think it would be the same away from the cameras. I don't know of any program in any field where you're allowed to call your trainer anytime 24/7 without being charged for it! People have their own lives and unless you're on your way to the olympics and expected to win a gold medal and I'm your coach, don't call me unless it's scheduled and I'm being paid. If Jackie wants her trainers to be life coaches as well, then those hours and the total number allowed per week better be included in the contract.... I know that may sound harsh but there have to be clear lines otherwise people will just take advantage of it.... not everyone but Deenie has some sort serious entitlement thing going there...

Oh, yeah. Gregg should have been on time but it should have never turned into this drama....

Deenie needs to take a step back and get a sense of just how many people live in this world. Her "ME" thing is almost as big as Jackie's....

Alright-enough about Deenie. I have a question about Peeler but this post is already too long... OY!

no you are right and that was uncalled for and if you notice I did go back and edited my reply! But yes you are asking for the show to be taken off the air!

Okay, I can agree with that. When I thought of Tess, I thought about her getting upset, crying and I remembered Gregg talking about how they were still just trying to get her to a place where her body would finally start burning fat in work outs... something like that. But that was when he was confronted by Jackie about Tess not losing enough weight so I guess my perception of that relationship was a bit askew. He and Tess seemed to work quite well together. I guess maybe I was just trying to give Deenie one more excuse... heh:)

I like Gregg a lot and wish they would give him more time....

His blog about the Deenie topic is hilarious.

Those human values are great and I wish everyone had them but I don't think it's fair to make it a requirement for this show??? I was upset by the Jamie Eason incident... beyond that, I think Jackie is a bit a narcisstic shallow person who I don't particularily enjoy watching but some of her drama and bad decisions are what make the show interesting. (I love love LOVED Mimi!) Yes, she crossed the line and Bravo should and needs to address it. They should also back-off the heavy Jackie story lines because she's no longer interesting. BUT, I don't think it's their responsibility to make the show perfectly PC all the time. In fact-- if Jackie was at least a funny and witty [expletive deleted], I would love her! Look at Kathy Griffin! She's not exactly PC but she's HILARIOUS!

Please clarify your second paragraph, I don't quite understand what you are asking.

The reason Deenie said that about Her Journey etc was because Gregg's

first response to her about his being late was something like, This is your

journey, I can't do this for you. He immediately changed the reason for

his being late to Deenie wanting attention. He manipulated her and Lisa

helped with telling Gregg something about how Deenie needed the love.

This entire situation was mishandled, by the producers because they

set it up. It is time to see the truth. Gregg is a jerk. He is late, he

is always canceling appointments and not calling her back. He has made

it seem she is leaning on him and in truth, he is not living up to what

was promised Deenie would get by Jackie. I cannot understand how

anyone can miss the truth of this. According to Deenie's blog, Gregg

had actually CANCELED yet another work out session with Deenie only

he hadn't even told her. The Producers called her to be sure she was

coming in, and the told her that Gregg had canceled. I would not be

surprised if she didn't think that they wanted her there for drama but

also because Gregg was someone they wanted to be outed. Who

knows.

Why they showed us this stuff is beyond me. Makes me wonder what

is really going on with Bravo and NBC. I fault both of them. I wish I

didn't love Medium so much. I have my television weakness also.

Kari Ana

Do you guys just want Brave to make a better show (with all the cast and crew that are on now) that would be more positive, less drama, sex, professionalism, and more informative? That would help more people.

Do you guys just want Brave to make a better show (with all the cast and crew that are on now) that would be more positive, less drama, sex, professionalism, and more informative? That would help more people.

Less drama and sex? Oh good God NO! I want to see MORE of the trainers' lives! We should have known more about Doug before he passed away. He was such a great guy and we were never given an opportunity to see that. I want to see Rebecca's wacked out boyfriends! Did you see her guy in The Amazing Race? Oh HE was something! But a show all about positive role models and fitness? Please. No one would watch. Maybe PBS can do that one....

This show just needs to move beyond Jackie. She's holding it back.

Do you guys just want Brave to make a better show (with all the cast and crew that are on now) that would be more positive, less drama, sex, professionalism, and more informative? That would help more people.

I respect your opinion. I'm just so bored with the whole Deenie thing. She's not interesting to me....

As for Gregg, no he shouldn't have been late but according to him, he was only 5 minutes late one time and so far, I don't think we've had anyone else complain about him. Did Tess? I can't remember. Anyway, I like him. He's smart and talented plus he's pretty. B)

Jackie was extremely cold, especially during the Doug part....she was completely emotionless. So strange to see.
Jackie doesn't even try to hide the fact that she has very little respect for Peeler or Andre'.
And last but not least, my respect for Jackie dropped by 50%. I didn't find her funny, respectful or friendly. I found her selfish.

I have absolutely no respect for Jackie. There's nothing professional about her, at the spa or away from it. I'm glad she's not my daughter and even more glad she's not my boss.

Nurses get upset with the Porn industry with their depiction of their chosen profession. I get upset at this show's 'Soft Porn' view of a very serious industry. Believe it or not, not all trainers are sluts or egomaniacle, self-proclaimed experts in the field (of which they have NO training). Bravo TV is dispersing a myth to folks like yourself. I would be much happier if it were about a trash collection company, but I fear the Garbage collectors of America would be just as justified in their aversion of the depiction.