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BravoBoardBoss
Tonight's the reunion episode for the cast of "Work Out" season 2 -- watch them answer viewers' questions (which were sent into BravoTV.com) and argue amongst themselves. Fun!

Post your thoughts on the reunion episode in this thread.
feemish
i need those shoes jackie is wearing. this isn't a joke.... i'm in love. you know how carrie bradshaw on sex and the city feels about her blahniks..... this is how im feeling about those shoes i wish i knew who designed them!!! can anyon help me??? jackie???
Bee
QUOTE (feemish @ May 15, 2007 - 11:08 PM) *
i need those shoes jackie is wearing. this isn't a joke.... i'm in love. you know how carrie bradshaw on sex and the city feels about her blahniks..... this is how im feeling about those shoes i wish i knew who designed them!!! can anyon help me??? jackie???


Yea jackies shoes are hot but, look at Rebeccas dress!!
Lola32
Yes how could you miss Jacki's shoes? They were great - she usually has great shoes though. But about that top on her - please stop wearing square necked stuff! She looks so beautiful in ANY other neckline that that!

Please have a season 3...

And... Jacki - trainers - what do you think of CrossFit???
FitNatalie
it looks to me that rebecca still has feelings for jackie and maybe even alittle scorned, when she replied to the question about who jackie is dating and she wouldnt reply, wanted to keep it personal....and rebecca was like "im an open book...i dont mind saying if im seeing someone.."
FitNatalie
i think that lori looks great, def lost weight but that outfit was not for her..her breasts are spilling out and the fat from the sides look horrible...she would have looked a lot better with a different outfit on
swiss74
I enjoyed the reunion episode, it gave me a new slant on the trainers. I wished some of the trainers had more of a chance to speak such as Erica but the more controversial characters were more in the limelight. It was obvious that Zen and Peeler are still having more trouble with Doug's death. I am not saying all the trainers did not have a hard time dealing but those two still working on the fact Doug is no longer there. There are many steps in dealing with death and they still have quite a way to go to the second step. It does take time, the healing process. I know when my parents died, it took me six months to a year before I sat down and cried and then the healing started for me. Each one of us has our own mechanism.

I can not believe Jessie is still hung up over the Jackie/Rebecca thing.

I hope that if there is a season three we will learn more about the other trainers that have not been spotlighted.

I hope nothing but the best for Tess and her new endeavor, studing to be a trainer. I think she would be an addition to any work out place because, if mentored properly, she could make the obese clients feel more comfortable. It would inspire others to work along side of her to loose weight as she is loosing weight. Any job you have is a continual learning experience and as I said if she is mentored properly by other trainer(s) she probably will be excellent at the job. But that is just my opinion.

This was an interesting season to say the least, the emotions ran the gamut that is for sure.

Doug we will all miss you.
workoutqueen
QUOTE (swiss74 @ May 16, 2007 - 12:03 AM) *
I can not believe Jessie is still hung up over the Jackie/Rebecca thing.
~
I hope nothing but the best for Tess and her new endeavor, studing to be a trainer. I think she would be an addition to any work out place because, if mentored properly, she could make the obese clients feel more comfortable. It would inspire others to work along side of her to loose weight as she is loosing weight.
~
Doug we will all miss you.


agreed!

Yes, I look forward to season 3.

I don't see Jessie as all hung up on it now so much as being brutally honest about what he was feeling.

And I think it would a HELLA slant to have Tess on next season being mentored by her trainers - Jackie (season 1) and Gregg (season 2)!!!

As for Doug, it seemed like he was a truly wonderful soul. I am sure his friends have been devastated, but I also believe from what I have seen, that he would want them to keep going, keep helping others.

Peace.
PalmSpringsDanny
[quote name='BravoBoardBoss' date='May 15, 2007 - 07:06 PM' post='174674']
Tonight's the reunion episode for the cast of "Work Out" season 2 -- watch them answer viewers' questions (which were sent into BravoTV.com) and argue amongst themselves. Fun!

[I just wanted to say thanks to Brian for writing what he did about the real reason Doug Passed. I am a one year Cancer survior and being a gay man the rummor's can be harsh and devistating...I love the Bravo network and have watched it and will watch it for many year's, however, I agree that in there way of respecting Doug it gave an opportunity for the rumor fires to start burning.
So to Brian, Jackie and all of the crew at Sky Lab I offer my heart felt condolences...and to Jesse, your the hottest guy on TV right now, and I got nothing but love for you...I'm looking forward to your gym opening here in Palm Springs (HINT-HINT)]
aquariaqueen
A few observations, and I'll probably come back and do some more....

They sure made Jackie look like a slut with all the girls she was kissing....how long was that montage? 12 minutes??? LOL

Jackie was extremely cold, especially during the Doug part....she was completely emotionless. So strange to see.

Jackie doesn't even try to hide the fact that she has very little respect for Peeler or Andre'.

Do people even realize that Erika is on this show? I was kinda concerned about Erika, she looked a little drugged, maybe she was sick so they didn't include her too much.

Zen is such a fun gal, not much on her either....loved the hair! I wish they showed her being more "free".

Gregg is new, but geez, they seemed forget about him, too. He's so cute. Musician, I didn't know that.

Thought it was funny when they said Mimi was a guest star. I wonder if Jackie knew it was a joke. I bought the concept from the previews!!!

Laurie looked great, but she really needed guidance on her clothing choice. I am sure she is starting to feel sexy, so she wanted to dress that way, but it lacked class. Don't worry, Laurie, you'll find it. Besides, a dress doesn't have to be revealing to look sexy!

Rebecca, did you get that dress from the set of "Martin and Rowen's Laugh-In". I swear Goldie Hawn wore that dress in the 70s. Next time you wear that dress, wear a fall in your hair, and a scarf.

And last but not least, my respect for Jackie dropped by 50%. I didn't find her funny, respectful or friendly. I found her selfish.

I will continue to watch the show, if it has another season, but just for the gym drama.

Oh, and I would like to know more about Jesse than just his dealings with Jackie.
rockymom
QUOTE (BravoBoardBoss @ May 15, 2007 - 09:06 PM) *
Tonight's the reunion episode for the cast of "Work Out" season 2 -- watch them answer viewers' questions (which were sent into BravoTV.com) and argue amongst themselves. Fun!

Post your thoughts on the reunion episode in this thread.



I am a big fan of workout even though I just started watching almost at the very end. I love the fact that bravo has marathons so that I can catch episodes that I missed. I love the fact that everyone can come together and talk about what happened this season. I think that Jackie is still in shock because Doug's passing happened at the time she had finally dealt with her fathers death. Maybe everything is still to raw in that situation for her to process Doug's death. It is very hard for people to be open about their emotions especially when everything they are doing is being scrutinized. It was very real when Brian and Zen tried to express the amount of respect they had for Doug, and how much he will be missed. Doug, we will miss you greatly!!!
rxgrrl
QUOTE (feemish @ May 15, 2007 - 10:08 PM) *
i need those shoes jackie is wearing. this isn't a joke.... i'm in love. you know how carrie bradshaw on sex and the city feels about her blahniks..... this is how im feeling about those shoes i wish i knew who designed them!!! can anyon help me??? jackie???


I really enjoyed the reunion show and I loved Jackies shoes too. Very Sexy! Lori looked good, she needs some fashion help though, her boobs were trying to escape from her top it was so tight.
Hope there is a season three.
Sabbygirl2000
Could Jackie's ego be any bigger?
I'll watch season 3 (assuming there is one) but only for the other trainers and the gym drama.

I'm still nagged by the fake set-up of the wrong clothing samples. If that were real, Jackie would have called the guy up immediately and complained or had the meeting postponed. The fact that the producers set up drama like this turns me off. But of course, I'll still watch it and so they win in the end.
tracy727
QUOTE (BravoBoardBoss @ May 15, 2007 - 09:06 PM) *
Tonight's the reunion episode for the cast of "Work Out" season 2 -- watch them answer viewers' questions (which were sent into BravoTV.com) and argue amongst themselves. Fun!

Post your thoughts on the reunion episode in this thread.


I must say I lost a lot of respect for jackie this season. She came off like a high school boy too many times. I can see dating several people but she did it in a disrespectful inmature way on several occassions.I am convinced Rebecca never really liked Jackie in a real way. I am more prone to believe Jesse's screen time theory .

Why do bisexual behaving women always use that line about not wanting to be put in a box - can we retire that tired line.

The reunion show was not as good as I hoped it would be. again Jackie seems to take alot of pride in having a stable of women. Poor Andre - he had one line all last season now this year anytime he was shown it was to make a point that he was jealous of Jackie's women and his dumb a/s/s fell for the bait even on the reunion show.

Jackie has alot of positive qualities but I hope she continues with her therapy. For one , I don;t understand why you have a public relationship then decide not to answer a basic qustion about it on the reunion show - she is a little off balanced if you ask me. But since Rebecca raised her hand that she was in a relationship and Jackie didn't we can assume they are not in a real monogamous relationship at least.

I don;t blame Jackie's mom for being a little embarassed about her daughters on screen antics with women - i don;t care if my child was gay or straight it would bother me too. Also as a gay woman - I will be the first to say i am not completely sure as to why Jackie was invited to her old high school to talk - her show was more about sex and dysfunction than it was about working out.

I think Zen is the most annoying person - the way she speaks and tries to be funny is annoying its like 1930's comedy gone bad. she is not funny. Again, is Erica on drugs ? Peeler - yeah that Michaelangelo line is getting pretty old - I bet he stole that line from another trainer back in NC before he headed to LA.

Maybe I am wrong but I thought in season 1 Jesse talked about his actual wedding that he was previously married and how nice the wedding was - and in the season finale he talked about how he was "going" to get married. I have to go back and look at last season shows.

Anybody else think the reunion show host was a little weird - where does Bravo get these people ? the whole doug situation is obviously sad , its seems doug left quite the impression on alot of people.
kewlcow334
QUOTE (tracy727 @ May 16, 2007 - 04:25 PM) *
I must say I lost a lot of respect for jackie this season. She came off like a high school boy too many times. I can see dating several people but she did it in a disrespectful inmature way on several occassions.I am convinced Rebecca never really liked Jackie in a real way. I am more prone to believe Jesse's screen time theory .

Why do bisexual behaving women always use that line about not wanting to be put in a box - can we retire that tired line.

The reunion show was not as good as I hoped it would be. again Jackie seems to take alot of pride in having a stable of women. Poor Andre - he had one line all last season now this year anytime he was shown it was to make a point that he was jealous of Jackie's women and his dumb a/s/s fell for the bait even on the reunion show.

Jackie has alot of positive qualities but I hope she continues with her therapy. For one , I don;t understand why you have a public relationship then decide not to answer a basic qustion about it on the reunion show - she is a little off balanced if you ask me. But since Rebecca raised her hand that she was in a relationship and Jackie didn't we can assume they are not in a real monogamous relationship at least.

I don;t blame Jackie's mom for being a little embarassed about her daughters on screen antics with women - i don;t care if my child was gay or straight it would bother me too. Also as a gay woman - I will be the first to say i am not completely sure as to why Jackie was invited to her old high school to talk - her show was more about sex and dysfunction than it was about working out.

I think Zen is the most annoying person - the way she speaks and tries to be funny is annoying its like 1930's comedy gone bad. she is not funny. Again, is Erica on drugs ? Peeler - yeah that Michaelangelo line is getting pretty old - I bet he stole that line from another trainer back in NC before he headed to LA.

Maybe I am wrong but I thought in season 1 Jesse talked about his actual wedding that he was previously married and how nice the wedding was - and in the season finale he talked about how he was "going" to get married. I have to go back and look at last season shows.

Anybody else think the reunion show host was a little weird - where does Bravo get these people ? the whole doug situation is obviously sad , its seems doug left quite the impression on alot of people.



Although I cannot agree with what you said about Zen, Erica or Peeler- they just didn't rub me the wrong way, I can totally agree with you on your stance with Jackie and Rebecca.

It is obvious that Rebecca is immature and wants attention- I believe Jesse's theory as well. It is also obvious that Jackie is disrespectful in how she handles the situations she is in. I understand that the field of personal training is fairly open, but I don't think its ok for the BOSS to be dating an employee, especially if the rest of the group had that much of a problem with it. I feel they weren't respected at all. You know, if Jackie and Rebecca really couldn't keep their hands in their pants, they didn't have to advertise it. There were MUCH better ways of handleing that situation!

I also agree with you on it being unfair and a bit hypocritical of Jackie to not inform the rest of the public on where her and Rebecca are standing now. I mean, why start something to not finish it? If they aren't dating, ok. If they are, so be it. People just want to know and I'm sure for the next season, if there is going to be a next season, their relationship wont be a part of it.
chrismac
QUOTE (BravoBoardBoss @ May 15, 2007 - 09:06 PM) *
Tonight's the reunion episode for the cast of "Work Out" season 2 -- watch them answer viewers' questions (which were sent into BravoTV.com) and argue amongst themselves. Fun!

Post your thoughts on the reunion episode in this thread.


I was just introduced to the show from friends, and I am totally hooked. I have been able to catch up through reruns on Bravo and am thankful for it. The reunion show was fun to watch and emotional with the short tribute to Doug. I hope Bravo T.V. continues the show. I look forward to seasons three, four, five, etc... Good health and happiness to Jackie and all the trainers at Skysport.
Britty
I think that Jackie and Rebecca actually did like eachother. I completely disagree that Rebecca was just in it for extra screen time. I don't have a problem with anyone on the show except for Jesse. He is SO gossipy, he needs to mind his own business, and on this episode he answered so many questions that weren't directed towards him. He clearly wants more attention. I recently became a fan of this show, though was also able to see the whole season due to Bravo reruns. I love it. I think they're doing great things for people.
FitNatalie
QUOTE (tracy727 @ May 16, 2007 - 04:25 PM) *
I must say I lost a lot of respect for jackie this season. She came off like a high school boy too many times. I can see dating several people but she did it in a disrespectful inmature way on several occassions.I am convinced Rebecca never really liked Jackie in a real way. I am more prone to believe Jesse's screen time theory .

Why do bisexual behaving women always use that line about not wanting to be put in a box - can we retire that tired line.

The reunion show was not as good as I hoped it would be. again Jackie seems to take alot of pride in having a stable of women. Poor Andre - he had one line all last season now this year anytime he was shown it was to make a point that he was jealous of Jackie's women and his dumb a/s/s fell for the bait even on the reunion show.

Jackie has alot of positive qualities but I hope she continues with her therapy. For one , I don;t understand why you have a public relationship then decide not to answer a basic qustion about it on the reunion show - she is a little off balanced if you ask me. But since Rebecca raised her hand that she was in a relationship and Jackie didn't we can assume they are not in a real monogamous relationship at least.

I don;t blame Jackie's mom for being a little embarassed about her daughters on screen antics with women - i don;t care if my child was gay or straight it would bother me too. Also as a gay woman - I will be the first to say i am not completely sure as to why Jackie was invited to her old high school to talk - her show was more about sex and dysfunction than it was about working out.

I think Zen is the most annoying person - the way she speaks and tries to be funny is annoying its like 1930's comedy gone bad. she is not funny. Again, is Erica on drugs ? Peeler - yeah that Michaelangelo line is getting pretty old - I bet he stole that line from another trainer back in NC before he headed to LA.

Maybe I am wrong but I thought in season 1 Jesse talked about his actual wedding that he was previously married and how nice the wedding was - and in the season finale he talked about how he was "going" to get married. I have to go back and look at last season shows.

Anybody else think the reunion show host was a little weird - where does Bravo get these people ? the whole doug situation is obviously sad , its seems doug left quite the impression on alot of people.


i agree with you a lot. i too think zen is annoying and NOT funny AT ALL. She def tries way too hard. And the high school thing, i guess just bcause she is on TV they are proud to have had her at their school, even though she did poorly. And yes jackie didnt handle her relationships well, she did come off looking bad.
FitNatalie
QUOTE (Britty @ May 17, 2007 - 08:19 PM) *
I think that Jackie and Rebecca actually did like eachother. I completely disagree that Rebecca was just in it for extra screen time. I don't have a problem with anyone on the show except for Jesse. He is SO gossipy, he needs to mind his own business, and on this episode he answered so many questions that weren't directed towards him. He clearly wants more attention. I recently became a fan of this show, though was also able to see the whole season due to Bravo reruns. I love it. I think they're doing great things for people.



i know, its funny jesse claims rebecca wanted more screen time because i think hes the only one that thinks that way because he is always looking for more screentime. He needs to grow up
FitNatalie
QUOTE (aquariaqueen @ May 16, 2007 - 08:34 AM) *
A few observations, and I'll probably come back and do some more....

They sure made Jackie look like a slut with all the girls she was kissing....how long was that montage? 12 minutes??? LOL

Jackie was extremely cold, especially during the Doug part....she was completely emotionless. So strange to see.

Jackie doesn't even try to hide the fact that she has very little respect for Peeler or Andre'.

Do people even realize that Erika is on this show? I was kinda concerned about Erika, she looked a little drugged, maybe she was sick so they didn't include her too much.

Zen is such a fun gal, not much on her either....loved the hair! I wish they showed her being more "free".

Gregg is new, but geez, they seemed forget about him, too. He's so cute. Musician, I didn't know that.

Thought it was funny when they said Mimi was a guest star. I wonder if Jackie knew it was a joke. I bought the concept from the previews!!!

Laurie looked great, but she really needed guidance on her clothing choice. I am sure she is starting to feel sexy, so she wanted to dress that way, but it lacked class. Don't worry, Laurie, you'll find it. Besides, a dress doesn't have to be revealing to look sexy!

Rebecca, did you get that dress from the set of "Martin and Rowen's Laugh-In". I swear Goldie Hawn wore that dress in the 70s. Next time you wear that dress, wear a fall in your hair, and a scarf.

And last but not least, my respect for Jackie dropped by 50%. I didn't find her funny, respectful or friendly. I found her selfish.

I will continue to watch the show, if it has another season, but just for the gym drama.

Oh, and I would like to know more about Jesse than just his dealings with Jackie.


i noticed how cold jackie was during the talks of doug too...what was up with that?? it looked like she couldnt care less. Also i already commented on loris outfit, it was terrible...her boob fat was spilling out of the dress...she lost weight and could have shown it off better
Zitro
QUOTE (FitNatalie @ May 17, 2007 - 10:49 PM) *
i noticed how cold jackie was during the talks of doug too...what was up with that?? it looked like she couldnt care less. Also i already commented on loris outfit, it was terrible...her boob fat was spilling out of the dress...she lost weight and could have shown it off better


Here's my observation:

I just saw a rerun of the reunion episode, and in regard to Jackie appearing cold:

To me she appeared to be either sedated or perhaps did a bit of imbibing before the taping. It seemed to me that she just wanted to get the hell out of there and have done with it!

Did anyone else get that vibe?
aquariaqueen
QUOTE (Zitro @ May 18, 2007 - 11:18 AM) *


To me she appeared to be either sedated or perhaps did a bit of imbibing before the taping. It seemed to me that she just wanted to get the hell out of there and have done with it!

Did anyone else get that vibe?

Maybe she was annoyed everytime the interviewer talked to someone else besides her?!?!?!
CebMommy
I totally loved the Q&A of this great show.
But I totally hated Jackies hair...wayyyyyyy too long!
Jackie we love you with shorter spikier hair!
MicrowaveHo
QUOTE (Zitro @ May 18, 2007 - 09:18 AM) *
Here's my observation:

I just saw a rerun of the reunion episode, and in regard to Jackie appearing cold:

To me she appeared to be either sedated or perhaps did a bit of imbibing before the taping. It seemed to me that she just wanted to get the hell out of there and have done with it!

Did anyone else get that vibe?
Aaaah... NOPE My personal take on her being so cold towards Doug is that she didn't want anyone else stealing her thunder. She 's a self-engrossed narcissistic pig!!!
MicrowaveHo
Did y'all get a load of Rebecca's expressions when Jackie was speaking of Mimi, and she said she had realized it was over when she had said "I hate you."

Jackie is a very selfish person, one who cannot even fathom the feelings of another human being, unless it is in direct regard of how they feel about her. Next season should be re-named "It's the all about Me show."
kichelle
As far as Jackie being cold about Dougs death...

I really get the feeling that she doesn't know how to deal with it. On the show, when she found out he died she said usually when something really awful happens she just pushes it down and acts like it doesn't exist.








QUOTE (Zitro @ May 18, 2007 - 11:18 AM) *
Here's my observation:

I just saw a rerun of the reunion episode, and in regard to Jackie appearing cold:

To me she appeared to be either sedated or perhaps did a bit of imbibing before the taping. It seemed to me that she just wanted to get the hell out of there and have done with it!

Did anyone else get that vibe?
Mixx
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ May 24, 2007 - 01:40 PM) *
We can retire that tired line when we retire the "born that way" tired line. I'm born loving DING DONGS, but I have to choose not to eat 3 boxes a day. Just because you are "born" gay doesn't mean that you can't choose to BEHAVE however you please. No one, straight or gay, was ever forced to have sex (unless raped). I, as a straight woman, still have to CHOOSE not to engage in out of wedlock sex regardless of the fact that I was born straight. My behavior is always my choice.


Are you seriously equating not eating a certain type of junk food with never having a physical relationship with the person you love?

In your "perfect world" would you allow gays to live together if they were celibate or must couples live separately? How about holding hands? Kissing? I'm curious what behavior you would consider appropriate for gays besides pretending to be straight.
cherhead
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ May 26, 2007 - 05:08 PM) *
I'm equating the CHOICE. Are you denying that acting on your sexual desires is a choice? See tree, must hump?

A world of perfection goes far beyond simply choosing the right behavior sexually. I don't think sex outside of wedlock for anyone is a good choice. Is there some reason you think that's exclusive to gays?
cherhead
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ May 26, 2007 - 05:08 PM) *
I'm equating the CHOICE. Are you denying that acting on your sexual desires is a choice? See tree, must hump?

A world of perfection goes far beyond simply choosing the right behavior sexually. I don't think sex outside of wedlock for anyone is a good choice. Is there some reason you think that's exclusive to gays?


Let gays get married and we won't have a problem with sex outside of wedlock. Problem solved!
MicrowaveHo
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ May 28, 2007 - 09:14 AM) *
Gays can marry. ALL people can marry. The law is absolutely equal as it is. All people can only marry a person of the opposite sex, and ALL people can not marry a person of the same sex. Equal. What you are suggesting is that we CHANGE the law. There is no need to change a law that is equal already.


As the law stands now, no one is discriminated against, as everyone has the same rights. You can't marry a person of the same sex? Hey guess what? Neither can I. John Doe down the street can't marry his own sister? Neither can I. Equal.
WHOA!!! You are quite an odd person!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And this is coming from a hetero...
ohiofarmgirl
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ May 28, 2007 - 11:14 AM) *
Gays can marry. ALL people can marry. The law is absolutely equal as it is. All people can only marry a person of the opposite sex, and ALL people can not marry a person of the same sex. Equal. What you are suggesting is that we CHANGE the law. There is no need to change a law that is equal already.


As the law stands now, no one is discriminated against, as everyone has the same rights. You can't marry a person of the same sex? Hey guess what? Neither can I. John Doe down the street can't marry his own sister? Neither can I. Equal.


Oh my goodness! Exactly what planet is it that you live on? Must be nice to be able to group every person in a pile made up of rules that work only for you.
You sound like you're one of those folks from the "Save the family" organization. Yeah, you know the group who blames all bad things going on in families on gays and lesbians. It's all their fault that your beliefs are coming under the microscope. It's their fault your families can't hold it together or communicate with one another. It's their fault your churches are falling and failing.
I have to say I'm honestly glad I don't reside on your planet, in your neighborhood, or worship at your church...what a load of biggotry and hate you spew...definitely a black-eye for Christianity...shame on you.
It is a well known fact that those who judge the harshest fear the most because of inherent feelings held for others of the same sex. Maybe you should come down out of the clouds and spend some time with gays and lesbians. Get to know them a bit before spewing your unfounded crap at them.
ohiofarmgirl
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ May 29, 2007 - 12:52 PM) *
Let me just point out that I didn't mention Christianity, nor did I say I disapproved of homosexuality. In my first posts I merely mentioned that ACTING on the desire was a choice, as is all behavior. And I only stated the fact that marital rights are currently equal for all.

Just thought it interesting that the respondants jumped to conclusions in their hysteria.


It's really interesting how angry you are at "your truth and how others perceive it". You didn't have to mention Christianity. The blathering pile of rubbish you pass on as truth and equal is the same pile passed onto to you by your born-again brethren.

Believe it or not, some of us were born just fine the first time and were brought up in faithful households which didn't blind or limit our capacity to love others...yes, even those of the same sex.

Guess what...we even have bibles in our house that we read, but understand that having the bible no more makes you Christian than owning a wrench makes you a mechanic. It's all about how well you respect others and their belief systems.

I have many friends; gay straight, christian, Jew, Muslim... and, even you, though I completely disagree with your beliefs and politics.

Do I think your rantings are a black eye on Christianity? Yes, because if you were truly Christian you wouldn't condemn others to your understandings and beliefs...just maybe, you are VERY WRONG in their understanding and beliefs. Maybe, just maybe, they have experienced more or just plain know more than you.

Should you get to know Gays and Lesbians? You bet. Some of them might surprise you. You might even find yourself getting to know the person before condemning them to your lifestyle.

Are you a Bigot? I honestly do believe so and hope that one day you can look past your blinders of limited knowledge and faith and see that all of us are human and no, we are by no means treated equally and it IS time for change.
ohiofarmgirl
Oh please, please, tell me what special protection it is that I have been bestowed with? You crack me up. All that "right is right and wrong is wrong" bull-oney. How do you get to be the judge of right and wrong? And the line about it's in the scriptures...wonderful...love it. Exactly who's scripture are you going by? Did you know there's more than one scripture? Heck, there's more than one religion, which means there's more than one right and wrong. Heck, there's parts of your bible that never got publushed because mere men thought it wasn't appropriate, even though it came down from the very apostles who supposedly began your church movement. The Christian History ain't so rosey. Your book goes as far as to state that we are God's children. If so, does he love you more for being straight? If it's true that we are made in His image, then God must be Gay too. If that's the case, then she's one smokin-hot momma with a great sense of humor to put up with the silliness of all her kids.
ohiofarmgirl
Here, let me put it all in simpler terms that maybe you'll be able to understand:

God loves me too, whether you like it or not.
MicrowaveHo
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ May 29, 2007 - 09:51 AM) *
What does being an odd person have to do with making a true statement? Actually what you wrote was odd. And who would you EXPECT to make that type of statement? A homosexual?? Yes, it's your statement that was odd. Odd indeed?

I noticed you didn't address the issue though. Maritial laws as they currently stand are equal.
Uuuuummm... I was referring to myself (as being the hetero) you nimrod.

And just so that you know... they aren't equal. Equality means equal access to the same rights & the same treatment regardless of your race, creed , color, sexual orientation, eye color, religion, AND MOST PERTINENT TO YOUR SITUATION: INBREEDING.
kanigirrrrl
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ May 29, 2007 - 10:54 PM) *
There is only one set of right and wrong. By your line of reasoning Jeffrey Dahmer can kidnap, murder and eat people if he decides that's right for him. He can make that his religion. See how stupid that line of reasoning is? Again, unless you give that right to Jeffrey Dahmer and say it's ok for him to do those things, you're a hypocrite.


Interesting example of your reasoning of Christianity's superiority as a religion. Correct me if I'm wrong but if Jeffery Dahmer accepted Christ as his savior he would then be accepted into heaven just as equally as Mother Teresa despite his sins. Kinda wacky huh?
And speaking of Dahmer and eating people, doesn't Christianity promote that sort of thing, you know, Drinking the Blood of Christ and Eating the Body of Christ?
ohiofarmgirl
Still trying to figure out exactly what those extra perks I get for being gay are. You said gays get preferential treatment, but claimed that all minorities get preferrential treatment...hmmmm, Can I get fries with your McPolitics?

You have got to be kidding me about the born again crap and receiving Christ as your only "in" to salvation.

Do you realize there are other people of other religions out here who don't succomb to your rantings? Yet, we get the same ticket to our salvation as you do to yours...hmmm...another way to see things...another truth...another version of right. Guess there's more to the Book than the King James version. Maybe the Talmud or the Koran have other insights you are blind to.

Oh well, don't worry about your own personal fears of gays and lesbians. You have that preacher who spent a good deal of his life spewing hate and bigotry only to get his closeted gay life outed by his lover who had had enough of his hypocricy...you guys are really good at that. Maybe if you just came out of your own closet of fear, you might get past your own self loathing and let others live their life and practice their beliefs...naw, that would be too, um, Christian. Wouldn't want to put you out.
kanigirrrrl
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ May 30, 2007 - 09:12 AM) *
No. Christianity does not support what Jeffrey Dahmer did. I can see there is a LOT of biblical illiteracy here. I'm going to give my e-mail address here for anyone who wants to talk about the Bible. I'm going to quickly answer this question then get back to what I posted originally and then I would LOVE to have a dialogue through email of off topic issues. It's newrealityaccount@yahoo.com.



Ok. Communion is not literally eating a human being. It's juice and a waffer.

I pretty much aware of the juice and wafer deal. Can't speak for Dahmer though, maybe he was taking things a bit too literally. Sarcasm is my friend.

Jeffrey Dahmer VS. Mother Theresa. First, you assume that Mother Theresa went to heaven. How do you know?

Um, she was a nun who served Christ and his church. Sorry I made the assumption that she accepted Christ as her savior but since she pretty much dedicated her life following his teaching and examples in a real world setting I think I can be forgiven for that.

It seems you think that people who do good deeds go to heaven.

No I was comparing the paths that two people might have made to reach Christ and the fact that those paths make no difference if the end result is the same.

That's not how one obtains salvation. One obtains salvation by personally receiving Christ as Lord and Savior, being born again in Him and placing trust in Him alone for salvation. No one earns their way to heaven.

And all the people that lived before Christ? Or never heard of Christ? Automatically go to hell?

IF Jeffrey TRULY repented and personally received Christ, like everyone else, he would be saved.

Thanks for making my point. Jeffrey could start his own religion, slaughter many, eat their flesh, decide that he's had enough, accept Christ as his savior, BAM, going to heaven.

I don't know if Mother Theresa personally received Christ or not. If she DIDN'T, her good works did not provide her with salvation. Please email me for more discussion. You mentioned my "reasoning" for Christianity's superiority. You'll have to be specific, not sure what you're referring to.

I'm referring to your one god, one set of scripture reasoning. I understand it is your faith. But it's not everyone's faith.

I'm not going to hijack the Work Out message boards, but I will definatley give you a way to reach me and encourage you to do so.

NOW... to get back to what MY original posts were pertaining to....
1) all sexual behavior is a CHOICE. Gay or straight, you may not choose who you love, but you DO choose to act on it.

True all sexual behavior is a choice. Just like eating behavior is a choice. Sexual ORIENTATION is not a choice. You seem to be getting the two confused.

2) marital laws in the country are absolutely EQUAL. Everyone gay or straight can only marry a person of the opposite sex. NO on can do otherwise.

For now.

Those two things simply ARE.

Also, remember I never mentioned the Bible or Christianity. It was assumed for me. I never even claimed to be a Christian. Interesting.
So you are not Christian?

Other posters got that ball rolling. Again. Interesting. Apparenlty there is some things waying heavily on some posters minds. But that has nothing to do with me

...waiting for those emails.
ohiofarmgirl
Me think the lady doth protest too much. If you want a date, just ask for one.

Marital Law is far from equal. It is set up to allow for the union of one man and one woman...t'aint the way of the entire world, just the small-minded one you dwell so comfortably in.

I have no protection. What the heck are you squalking about, Alice? If something happens to me, your laws keep me from protecting my family, my children...the one you say doesn't exist because there isn't a man in the picture. THANK GOD FOR DIVORCE! Or too many more women out here would be trapped in abusive relationships with good God-fearing-born-again-breeders. Ain't nothing more potent to turn a woman gay than a born-again-er. Funny thing is, the longer I'm away from his group, the more of the gals like myself come out of the closet as they too flee from the bastards.

Who told you being Gay was insulting? Get a grip.

Am I bigoted? Maybe so. I'm definitely not very tolerant of hate mongering dolts who believe their way is the only way...God Bless you and your congregation :-), but no thanks, I definitely don't want any of what you are selling. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt, then threw it out!

Am I a hipocrit? Nope, I'm still Gay and raising my family, and paying more taxes than you...another perk?

Sexual behavior is a choice. You can choose to have it, or not. Go back in your closet and enjoy yourself.
ohiofarmgirl
Oh my goodness...you still having at it? Girlfriend, maybe the reason you gots no email in your box is because no one wants to talk with you in private. At least in here, everyone gets to see the game you're playing...safer this way. Plus you really do a great job of pinning down exactly what it is about structured religion that tends to make most folks shy away from the church.

I don't balme my Gayness on my ex-husband...actually that's about the only thing he helped me to discover. I spent enough time in your church being a hipocrit to myself to fit in to your world.

I did my time with your kind of people and don't plan on putting my kids through any of that crap. They really are doing just fine without the emotional abuse not only from their father but from the congregation as well.

Have I ever been to a Gay Pride event? Yep, they truly are fun, and for you to so eloquently describe the scene you observed, I must therefor assume you've been to one too...geeze, don't gay people go to Gay Pride Events?

I didn't see any of the antics you talked about in the Pride you attended...must be a wild bunch you hang with.

Nope, I'm not into the leather and bondage thing. Not my style in the least, but if that's what floats your boat...have at it...it's your choice.
ohiofarmgirl
Fear you? yep...sure do. I fear any folks the likes of yourself who stand up and say they know the word of God...beware of false prohpets, no?

Catch 22? Nope, I'm not seeing that one in the least. I don't have a problem with Gays. I am gay...nope, no catch there. I do have a problem with the hypocricy of born-again-ers. I'm not a born-again-er...nope, no catch there either. Guess I just don't see where the catch is.

I wonder what TV station it is you profess to show the Gay Pride Parade? I wonder how they managed to miss the Families and Friends (PFLAG) groups walking together with all their kids...wow, must have been too racey for the viewing audience. Heck, if they'd have shown that, maybe you could have seen my kids waving. I still haven't seen anything like what you described, but again, that's your scene, not mine.

Do I intend to email you? Nope, would rather you amke an ass out of yourself in public. Want to trash my kids some more? They've heard worse, but for some reason they hold no grudges against those who are intolerant and unloving...God Bless them. They are the future and the hope and the light.
ohiofarmgirl
We're Jewish you idiot. Of course my kids would be offended by your lack of respect for their chosen Faith. They decided to convert back to the religion I was brought up in. And yes, it was their choice to do so.

For you to assume that Jesus was anything more than a Prophet is blasphemous. Christ hasn't arrived yet in our book. Keep your faith to yourself.
MicrowaveHo
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ May 30, 2007 - 07:12 AM) *
No. Christianity does not support what Jeffrey Dahmer did. I can see there is a LOT of biblical illiteracy here. I'm going to give my e-mail address here for anyone who wants to talk about the Bible.

Hey shan, think it's pretty funny how you can't address me

No, lets talk about the bible right here. If you can honestly point out to me where EXACTLY & quite LITERALLY the bible speaks out about racism, terrorism, incest, rape, child molestation, child pornography, hate crimes brought on by such things as homophobia, physical as well as mental abuse, girls gone wild, abortion, stem cell research, double standards, general sluttiness among males & females, bribery, extortion, blackmail, slavery, as well as where it specifically states where man's law should be held above the Lord's law; then maybe God will absolve you of all of your BS claims. (Oh yeah... and who wrote the bible? OMGZ... could that have been people? SHOCKERZ!!!!!!)

Till then... please keep your hillbilly views to yourself. God loves us all equally, that is.... if you truly believe His word.
kanigirrrrl
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ May 30, 2007 - 01:35 PM) *
"Um, she was a nun who served Christ and his church. Sorry I made the assumption that she accepted Christ as her savior but since she pretty much dedicated her life following his teaching and examples in a real world setting I think I can be forgiven for that."

Like I said, IF she personally received Christ as Savior, then she is with Him now.

"No I was comparing the paths that two people might have made to reach Christ and the fact that those paths make no difference if the end result is the same."

The end result would be same regarding heaven if they both personally received Christ as Savior.


"And all the people that lived before Christ? Or never heard of Christ? Automatically go to hell?"

All people obtain salvation the same way, through Christ Jesus. Before the Messiah was born people looked FORWARD to the cross. We now look BACK on the cross. But our salvation is through Christ's redemptive work on the cross either way. God is a loving God. He knows the heart and mind. IF a person has truly never "heard" of Jesus He provides justice accordingly. However, God tells us that he has written Himself on the conscience of every heart, so that no man is with excuse. I can find the exact scripture if you would like.

I have to say I've never heard of the process of people born before Christ having looked Forward to the cross to receiving salvation.

"Thanks for making my point. Jeffrey could start his own religion, slaughter many, eat their flesh, decide that he's had enough, accept Christ as his savior, BAM, going to heaven."

Actually it was my point that was made, or rather THE point that needed to be made. And that is that salvation is offered to ALL in the same way. We are all sinners. Jeffrey Dahmer's sins while having graver earthy consequenses don't have graver consequensed regarding salvation. But he would have to TRULY receive Christ. There are no magic words. It's a heart issue.

"I'm referring to your one god, one set of scripture reasoning. I understand it is your faith. But it's not everyone's faith."

Of course it's not everyone's faith. But that doesn't make it any less true.
That would be not any less true to YOU. Not to me.

"True all sexual behavior is a choice. Just like eating behavior is a choice. Sexual ORIENTATION is not a choice. You seem to be getting the two confused."

Actually it's those who use orientation as a justification for the homosexual lifestyle that have it confused. They think that because they are "born" that way they can simply through behavioral choices out the window. Truth is whether you're born that way or NOT, you STILL have a choice in your response to your orientation. Just like a heterosexual person...they may not have a choice in who they are attracted to, but they DO have a choice in how they respond to it. Gays seem to think they can engage in homosexual sex (the behavior) simply BECAUSE they were born with their orientation. It's THEY who are cofused. Orientation and behavior are two separate things.

Now you said some very interesting things here which I need some clarification on? You say, "Truth is whether you're born that way or NOT..." to which I take that you concede that homosexuals can be born that way. And I'm going out on a limb here, but I assuming that you believe that God created all of us? So God, in creating me, made me gay only to have me not ever experience emotional love or physical passion? That seems frightfully cruel of God to do to children that he so loves?

"So you are not Christian?"

Yes I am. I'm a Christian who never brought up the issue. Because it was irrelevant to marital laws and behavioral choices.

Actually it's very relevant if you vote in this country. Do you speak out against same sex marriage because of your Christian beliefs? Do you think same sex parents are unfit to adopt? If there were not one single reference in your bible concerning men loving men and women loving women would you welcome us with open arms?

This is what you are asking me to do. Because of some lines in a ancient book, written so long ago, in a language I can't read, translated and retranslated until it reaches the year 2007, you want me to voluntarily choose to deny myself love. Emotional love, physical love and all the benefits of being in a healthy loving relationship. Despite Christ's admonishments to judge not, despite Christ's warnings about throwing the first stone, Christians continue to do just that not only to other Christians but to non-Christians. You want me to live according to your belief. But I would never ask you to become gay or switch religions, or dance on a Friday night if you didn't want to. Here's what I don't get, wasn't Christ saying love your fellow man regardless of his sins for that is the way my Father loves us all? And isn't it God's place when I stand before God to decide what kind of life I lived? Not you? And if that is true, what difference does it make to you who I love?
It's nice to have a conversation with someone who uses their brain instead of resorting to childish namecalling, etc.
Jill2233
It has been every interesting reading all of the comments in the last few posts. It is nice to have people debating issues and actually reading what the other person is saying and not criticizing each other personally.
I am a person for most of my life who supressed and did not act on my true sexual orientation. All my life I have been attracted to both men and women. I only acted on the attraction to men. I grew up in a religious family. It is a big part of who I am today. It is difficult to be attracted to the same sex when you know it goes against everything you have been taught at church. For many of my adult years I felt that something was wrong with me. Then when I was 30 I met a woman who changed my life forever. I was truly happy for the first time in my life. Although she is no longer a part of my life, since that relationship I am not ashamed of my feelings. I could go back to the way I was and not act on those feelings. I don't want to go back to that way. Some people are heterosexual and some are gay, I am bisexual. Sometimes I think life would be easier if I was just attracted to one sex, men or women. But I have come to realize some of our problems are more alike than we care to admit.
Keep up the good discussions.
kanigirrrrl
QUOTE (Jill2233 @ May 30, 2007 - 07:30 PM) *
It has been every interesting reading all of the comments in the last few posts. It is nice to have people debating issues and actually reading what the other person is saying and not criticizing each other personally.
I am a person for most of my life who supressed and did not act on my true sexual orientation. All my life I have been attracted to both men and women. I only acted on the attraction to men. I grew up in a religious family. It is a big part of who I am today. It is difficult to be attracted to the same sex when you know it goes against everything you have been taught at church. For many of my adult years I felt that something was wrong with me. Then when I was 30 I met a woman who changed my life forever. I was truly happy for the first time in my life. Although she is no longer a part of my life, since that relationship I am not ashamed of my feelings. I could go back to the way I was and not act on those feelings. I don't want to go back to that way. Some people are heterosexual and some are gay, I am bisexual. Sometimes I think life would be easier if I was just attracted to one sex, men or women. But I have come to realize some of our problems are more alike than we care to admit.
Keep up the good discussions.


I often wonder what's considered the bigger sin, living a lie, trying to love someone that you don't, trying to be what you aren't, or being honest with yourself and everyone else living your life as an out lesbian. I think you've found your answer already. Peace.
MicrowaveHo
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ May 30, 2007 - 05:50 PM) *
Microwave,

Settle down, sweetie, I didn't know you were talking to me.

How could you have NOT known I was talking to you, when I quoted what you said before I spoke out?

And I see you also have resorted to immature and childish name calling. Is that because you have nothing of intelligence to provide? I can't imagine having to do that. You know you'll be thought of as a joke and not jtaken seriously in a conversation if you do that, don't you?

AS IF...you haven't resorted to petty name calling yourself. I can go back & quote you if you'd like.

Anyway...God is the author of the scriptures. He used men to pen the words so to speak, but the Holy Spirit carried them along as the Words of God where revealed to us.

Please clarify what it is you want. First you say let's talk about the Bible here. Then you go schizo and tell me to keep my views to myself. Which is it?

Oh wait... no need to... you've done it yourself in this post.

Yup, you got it... I want scripture baby!!!

You seem hostile the the scriptures as well. But why so bitter? You asked where the Bible says that man's law should be held above the Lord's law? I'm not sure if that was a faux pas on your part in your haste to ramble, but it DOESN'T say that. In fact we are to hold God's law above our own law.

Not bitter at all baby. God is such a loving & accepting God, I just don't see where YOU think you are any type of authority to speak on His/Her behalf. I seem to remember a few scriptures saying things like: He who is without sin, cast the first stone & Judge not, lest be judged. Why can't you follow in God's example... LIVE & LET LIVE



All the other things on your list we can go through if you want. But since you contradicted yourself by asking me a question then saying keep it to myself you'll have to clarify.

ONE MORE TIME FOR THE READING IMPAIRED...I SAID, "tell me literally & where it was in the bible" that spoke of the long list of muck. I asked you to keep your hillbilly views to yourself. Do you see the difference between the two items in question? Let me break it down for you:
1) I was looking for factual info. (Listing of scriptures addressing ALL of my compiled list)

2) I asked you to keep your individual views to yourself (when answering the above question.)


Points remain:

Sexual behavior is a choice regardless of orientation

Maritial laws are currently equal for all.

See my original post to you as for your bogus "equal for all claims."
ohiofarmgirl
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ May 30, 2007 - 05:33 PM) *
Again with the immature namecalling. Remember that making an ass thing.... Yep, I sure do. everyone is good at something...you are a PhD in this stuff (Piled Higher and Deeper)


Having said that, everyone is saved in the same way. Jew, Arab, everyone. (Yep) God used many Jews to pen the scriptures under the power of the Holy Spirit (Huh?). The Bible addresses Jews. Jesus was King of the Jews (um, no actually. that's how you refer to him). Jews are God's chosen people and provided the blood line from which He was born (Yep). So, lovely as your being Jewish IS, once again your point is lost amid the ranting of your personal issues and lack of ability to engage in discourse via the written word with even the slightest amount of cohesion. Salvation is for first the Jew, then the gentile (huh?). Or is that one of the scriptures you choose to ignore (our Holy scripture is the Talmud...not what you call the Old Testament. Our's actually was translated and transcribed in Hebrew (ancient text was kabalah), by Jews...not by Christians)?

I don't assume Jesus was anything more than a prophet. I READ from the Word of God (huh?)that he is the Messiah( again, that is from your belief system, not mine). Again, got a problem with that, take it us with God. Actually blasphemous would be denying that Jesus is the Christ(according to your transcription and understanding of your book, not mine). I have book that says so(so do I). Where is your claim written(It's calle dthe Talmud. You'd have to be able to read it in my language)? (expecting that question to be piled with the other questions you conveniently don't answer)(Nope, just don't feel the need to persue sophomoric arguments. Are you gay? Probably. You spout the same crap from others of your faith right before they fell)

Christ has not only arrived, he was crucified, dead and resurrected(all of this is from your book only...open your eyes to a myriad of other ideas...or....try an original thought...you might get something out of it). And his gift of salvation through grace is for everyone, including you(Thank you, but no thanks). But seeing as how you're biblically illiterate(who's book?), I wouldn't expect you to know that. Funny, you're awaiting this Messiah...but how do you know that? Did you read it somewhere? In the Old Testament? You mean the same Old Testament that says that homosexuality is an abomination? Like I said, pick and choose(I notice a whole lotta pickin and chosin goin on here sweetheart).


Me, keep my faith to myself? Never(force me to abandon my beliefs, my children and their beliefs, others like me trying to survive your salvation? - NEVER).

Having indulged your episode....the unrefutible facts remain:

1) sexual behavior is a choice regardless of orientation.(behavior is, orientation is not. I tried to open your eyes to failings and short comings in the sexual behaviors of your own kind. You accuse me of "mud-slinging" for doing so. It ain't mud I'm throwing. It's truth. You and your kind are no better. Get off your pedestal before you fall off)

2) marital laws are equal as they are. (Justice is supposed to be blind. This means that no matter what my orientation, I should be allowed the same priveledges as you. I am not. Neither is MY family. What's blind here is you)
MicrowaveHo
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ May 30, 2007 - 08:59 PM) *
How could you have NOT known I was talking to you, when I quoted what you said before I spoke out?

No offense, but I didn't really pay that much attention to your post. I didn't notice you addressing me. Sorry. I don't hang on every word of every post.


Yup, you got it... I want scripture baby!!!

Gladly (not sure why since you are hostile to them, but ok) What do you want scripture in regards to? Because like I said before, you said you wanted information on what the Bible said, then you said keep it to myself. So, what do you want to know? You said to keep it to myself. Can't do both of those at the same time.

Me hostile towards scripture??? NEVER! When did I EVER say anything against scripture?

Not bitter at all baby. God is such a loving & accepting God, I just don't see where YOU think you are any type of authority to speak on His/Her behalf. I seem to remember a few scriptures saying things like: He who is without sin, cast the first stone & Judge not, lest be judged. Why can't you follow in God's example... LIVE & LET LIVE

First of all, God loves his creation, but he hates sin (for example Mal 2:16 where the Lord says "I hate divorce..." And he makes it clear that sin will not only destroy but will separate you from Him. Some posters here are perfect examples of that. They love their sin to much that they reject the Word of God so they can comfortable continue in it.

So you are without sin? ZOMZ ladies & germs: We've got the messiah herself on this board.

And where are the rest of the scriptures??? HUH? I'd like to see what type of "bible literate" person I am dealing with here.

Regarding me speaking on behalf of God. The Bible says that all who are born again should not only be able to give a reason for it but also preach it(2Timothy 4:2) No offense, but do you have a Bible to refer to, or should I print the scriptures out? It has nothing to do with having authority, it's about telling others something that pertains to life and death. God doesn't need anyone to speak FOR Him, for He has revealed His Word to everyone. Not sure why you would think that remaining silent about good news would be a good thing.

Yup, print the scriptures out.... as if I were some foreign African from some long lost tribe who you feel you must witness to.

You, as well as many people who are hostile to the scriptures take them out of context because they have no desire to understand them. The scripture you're referring to regarding judging is Matthew 7:1, and the judging it refers to is regarding salvation. People do not have the capacity to judge one's salvation. We DO, however, and SHOULD judge words and deeds. Who in their right mind doesn't JUDGE good and bad on a daily basis? It's called discernment and it's detrimental to survival.

I find it interesting that while you're referring to not judging you judge. You tell me not to judge, which is ITSELF a judgment.Thus the catch 22.


ONE MORE TIME FOR THE READING IMPAIRED...I SAID, "tell me literally & where it was in the bible" that spoke of the long list of muck. I asked you to keep your hillbilly views to yourself. Do you see the difference between the two items in question? Let me break it down for you:
1) I was looking for factual info. (Listing of scriptures addressing ALL of my compiled list)

2) I asked you to keep your individual views to yourself (when answering the above question.)

My view IS God's view.

You see baby, there is where we disagree. YOU ARE NOT GOD, and I find it highly egotistical that you put yourself on the same plane as Him/her.

I read what He has written and I accept it. No room for individual interpreting. It says what it says. I have only posted Biblical views.

Regarding your use of the word literal. The Bible is God's Word. Some is literal, some is poetic, some is allegory, some are parables some is old Jewish law, some is history. But make no mistake, it is all literally true. If the Bible said it was raining cats and dogs, I would not believe that actual animals were falling from the sky, I would understand that it meant is was REALLY RAINING HARD. The use of metyphors in no way removes the fact that the Bible is the literal Word of God Himself, meaning He wrote it and it's true.

He wrote it huh?

Your "list" is a mile long. I'll start at the beginning and am willing to take the time to give you a new topic with each additional post. Actually I can't remember the order so I'll pick on that I remember. Abortion:

The Bible is like a body. All parts, though they perform individual functions, are part of ONE body that works together. The scriptures are the same way, you can't take one verse, isolate it and try to build an entire theology on it. You have to take all scriptures together. The Bible makes perfectly clear from start to finish that life is created by God (from Gen 2:7, to Job 33:4 to the 139th Psalm to the 10 Commandments), that it begins at conception (Luke 1:41, Pslam 51:5, Matthew 1:20,) and that children are a gift from God (Psalm 127-3) The entire 139th Psalm makes it clear that life is precious and begins in the womb. It's long but I will be willing to type it out for you.

I knew you'd pick THAT one out... haha. Too easy of one, I shouldn't have included it for that very reason. Can you speak intelligently about how God feels about racism, slavery, child molestation, & child pornography based on scriptures alone?

You simply can not come away from the scripture with an understanding that life is not to be terminated. That coupled with what the scriptures say about marriage and purity leave no room for "convenient" termination of a baby while in the womb.

I guess you COULD come away not believing that, but that would be the job of Satan. And many people prefer his way. They get to keep sinning.


See my original post to you as for your bogus "equal for all claims."

Sorry, not about to fish through old posts. The fact is that marital laws are the same for you as they are for me and you can't refute that. They're simply equal. And no one has to act out sinfully in response to their sexual desires, straight or gay. It's always a choice regardless of sexual orientation.

LIES!!!! You know you've seen it and have no justifiable argument for it. Hang on a sec, I'll pull it up for your lazy butt. Wait... isn't sloth one of the seven deadlies? LOL

Still waiting on all of the scriptures....
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Here ya go Miss Perfect:

QUOTE(shanshan2006 @ May 29, 2007 - 09:51 AM) What does being an odd person have to do with making a true statement? Actually what you wrote was odd. And who would you EXPECT to make that type of statement? A homosexual?? Yes, it's your statement that was odd. Odd indeed?

I noticed you didn't address the issue though. Maritial laws as they currently stand are equal.[/quote]



Uuuuummm... I was referring to myself (as being the hetero) you nimrod.

And just so that you know... they aren't equal. Equality means equal access to the same rights & the same treatment regardless of your race, creed , color, sexual orientation, eye color, religion, AND MOST PERTINENT TO YOUR SITUATION: INBREEDING.
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