Men's Fashion! Tiki Barber! Shirtless Models! What did everyone think?

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AI

Beauty is really skin deep. After last season's fiasco, where design took a distant second place to mud-slinging and mother-bashing, one would think they would get the message and clean up their act. Top Chef, after descending into the slime pit two season's ago made a nice return to a show about food. When Heide tells someone there design looks like dirt, here we go again. When she attacks a purple shirt, insinutating it is not manly enough, in from of a room full of gay men - what a nasty piece of work. Why is such a rick, pretty, successful woman so ugly and meanspirited. Her attack on David Beckham was particularly ugly. Is this TMZ? I thought Bravo was going to class it up a bit, but you can't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse and Heide is living proof. You can actually give honest, constructive advice without causing emotional trauma. I bet Beckham could whip Seal's ass, sounds like the kind of event Bravo would love.

I sure didn't get what she had against purple (don't tell Prince) but it's her problem. Maybe she thinks Beckham is "pretty" enough for purple. Maybe it's some German problem. I agreed with Kevin. I thought Seal would look good in that outfit, if he tried it. Tiki was probably too conservative about dress to pick it, hence it finished third. Maybe she knows Seal hates purple. As someone I was was soooo hot for said years ago to me: "there's no accounting for taste." That goes for the law of attraction regarding people as well as fashion.

I thought the line about Tiki and worrying about his butt was priceless, even if Heidi wasn't amused for the reason Kors thought she was.

I wonder if she isn't too much of a ditz to be meanspirited, given that story about what she "learned" from Britney about disposable diapers. The ode to her 'girlfriends' is something else.

Thanks Andy!!!!!!!

I actually loved the episode. The designers were so out of their element and we got to see the sexy,talented Tiki Barber.


Jillians suit was OK,I guess,but I hated the shirt.

I thought Ramis wasnt too bad,just a bit "mature" for Tiki.

Christians slacks and shirt were actually pretty good but that coat was just ew. I loved how we got to see the designers have fun and "help" Christian make his entrance into the workroom,twice. Also,his reaction to Chris and the guys teasing was great. Im starting to warm to the lil guy.

Carmen,wow. Everything was just bad. I felt bad for you,really. I am not upset to see you gone but I do feel that the shirt(can you call that thing a shirt) and the rest of your outfit did not speak well of your real skills. You seem very confident and Im sure this little bump in the road wont slow you in the least bit.

Victorya,I hated the jacket. I feel your inner-[expletive deleted] yearning to break free.

Sweet P,you should kiss Carmens feet and thank her for flubbing the challenge so badly. You really seem to be getting frazzled. You go next week.

Steven,I liked your outfit and could have really seen Tiki in it. In a way,I dont think you took any risk but your stuff looked great.

Chris,nice job. Kinda generic but still nicely done.

Kevin,I actually liked your outfit. I loved the color too. Was it Tiki? Im not sure but I would have loved to have seen it on him. Im really starting to like you.

Ricky,you are so on my last nerve. If Sweet P doesnt go next week,I hope you do. Oh,your outfit was bland.

Elisa,Im very surprised at how much I liked your outfit. I really liked the shirt and Tiki would have looked so sexy in it. Your "shy" bs cracked me up.

Kit,loved it. It should have won. I so misjudged you.

Jack,hated the shirt. Not sure why yours won but oh well. I agree with a few who think deconstructing your pants to use as a pattern was cheating.


I loved Tiki as a judge too. He wasnt embarrassed to say he and his wife(great to see her too) had spent time trying to find what looks best on him. Nothing wrong with a man admitting that.

I loved it when Heidi said she was happy that men had same body image issues as women. Her talking about the color of Kevins shirt being too feminine and Seal wouldnt wear it didnt bother me. I didnt find it to be homo-phobic at all. I cant speak for every region but I know in my area,if you wear "girl colors" you got teased. Its the whole "real man" image and all that bs. My dads favorite colors happen to be pink,purple and as-bright-as-you-can-stand-it orange. We give him crap over it but buy him stuff in those colors all the time. Dont get your panties in a wad over every single little thing said folks or your gonna be mighty uncomfortable.

Does anyone know anything about that black over-sized ring Nina was wearing? I loved it!

Agreed...Sweet P should kiss Carmen's feet (or hem)
And hey.....thanks Brillke!!!!

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I don't understand how Jack could trace the pattern for the pants. Meanwhile that guy from the prior season got kicked off for just having books of patterns as inspiration and not directly using them. It does not seem fair at all to me.
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Vincent got away with doing the exact same thing for the "jetsetter" challenge! He took his pants off right in the workroom and traced the pattern! He should have been axed for those pajamas he made for the Paris trip! If Angela hadn't been even worse with her "Moonbeam" outfit, he would have been auf'd and justifiably so! Kayne wasn't much better with the glittershirt! As I said, men's wear is tough; especially if a woman is trying to make it (that would include Kayne (no offense), lol)!

I loved last night's episode, it was really good to see the designers put to a major test! I've been reading this blog and a few others while watching. It's cool to see what everyone else thinks too.

Sweet P's design was a DISASTER, she definitely deserved to go home. Kevin's outfit was so sheik, i liked it a lot.

Rami's outfit was cool too, but didn't impress me as much as usualy. I actually found an exclusive interview on this one site with him. It's www.projectrunwayparty.com, he talks about how he got into fashion design etc..

Ricky and Sweet P got very, very lucky this time, but I'm guessing at least one of them will be going soon.

Since unlike the other designers ELISA had the 'least' amount of "experience", she was the one I would have expected to fold (or break down under pressure) on this challange.

I was shocked that Carmen, and Ricki were the ones who did just that.

I think under the circumstances, the judges made the only decision they could.

I think that if Carmen had made the shirt, and a vest instead of 'that' TOO SHORT jacket .......she might have had a chance.

I think what sealed her fate was her sending in the model half naked.

That showed poor execution skills to the judges, whereas at least Ricki sent out the model fully dressed.

My favorite designer is still Chris.

Hey that's what I thought about Elisa.

Yet, look how far she has come.

I thought for sure, she would be the one gone this week.

After completely not doing a board for last week we now have one for episode three. How special!

We also have a board for episode two. It would have just been thrilling if they had done it after the actual episode, and I doubt there will be many posts, but there it is.

Bravo!

I LOOOOOVE Christian!! He is too sweet and funny. and i really really hope the judges start to see his vision. As long as he sends great work out on that runway im willing to bet he takes it home this season!!! =)

Yesterday's show was good~~!! I think the result was fair...but i didn't think Jack's designs were the best...also he only made 2 pieces instead of 3, didn't follow the rule.

Oh one more thing, the male models were HOT~!!!! hehe.

Delusion reigns supreme from all sides! ;-)

i dont even know what that means...but i love christian!

I'm already thinking about the top 3 designers....

1. Christian (He's one of the final 3 for sure! Christian rocks! i love his designs!)
2. Victorya (is kinda like Banana Republic...)
3. Kit (Oh i love her, Urban outfitter!)

maybe Elisa has a chance too? because the outfit she made with Sweet P was so pretty~!! is very pretty

Hey how come there isn't a page for the models? the bio for the models? Does any one know where is it? I don't see it...

I thought it was a great episode~ because it challenged the designers. Im a designer and i find the show the most stimulating when i get to see a designer wrap their mind and creative abilities around a problem. design needs to be functional and fashionable and meet specific needs, (since we're all different, we all have different needs where fashion is concerned)

Many designers jump into the seemingly limitless possiblities in designing for women~ there aren't as many cultural limitations on what women absolutely CANT wear as opposed to dressing men. I liked that it shoved a mirror in some overconfident faces.

I do feel confused about some of the viewer reactions in this blog. I didn't feel that anything the judges say was overly catty. Heidi didn't cross any lines. I don't think she attacked purple, Im sure she loves purple, she said she would'nt prefer that on her man (and she wasn't wrong... it was 'a look', but not one with mass appeal. Men are intimidated by certain pastels, and what i would describe as being closer to a lavender was... less than a safe choice, and more than what i would describe as attractively risque. i did think it looked better without the single way-too-high pin in the vest. putting it that high made the tie look Ascot-ish and reminded me of a blouse Jane Fonda wouldve worn in the 80s with too much detail going on in that area) And as far as David Beckham is concerned, I didn't hear her complete a derogatory sentence against him, so maybe its time for some viewers to check the DVR. The judges represent exactly how catty America is~ but America doesn't know much about style-the judges absolutely do. three cheers for Nina~ she always says exactly what i think.

overall i disliked all the designs. you would think a room full of designers had seen a hot well dressed man before. and with as many of them as are being gay i felt slightly offended. NOT impressed.

I know a lot of people probably adore Heidi, but I lost a lot of respect for her during the Recycling Challenge. She said, about Alison's model (who was only a size 6 for God's sake):

"She looks huge and that's not attractive."

I've made beefs about this issue before. It's one of those types of condescending comments that slips under the radar, "seems" innocuous enough, but it reveals the way a person thinks if you read between the lines. In this case, it revealed a common prejudice regarding what's aesthetically pleasing in the world of fashion.

Not only that but, did Tim REALLY need to say that Nick's model (Zulema's old model) looked like a stiff elongated marshmallow? I wonder how that model felt after hearing that about herself.

It's one thing for nobodys like me on a message board to say stuff, but for the judges and folks with accolades in the industry to be that back-handed? I dunno.

Sour grapes here about those two things.

Hey Scotty? Um... I am so ready. Please beam me. Thanks much.

Niters, gang. Finally caught up and subscribed and all that stuff and my eyes hurt. LOL

I don't even wanna bother finding a cute animal pic to post. I'm just flat out flagged.

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I just left the computer on in the hours before dinner and I noticed that less than an hour after Brillke posted that she had contacted Andy, these new threads were up.
I guess we know who the go-to-girl is now! Thanks Brillke.

Now that I have time to post, it's like.. where to begin. Most everything has been said. My 2cents is that what Heidi said "They thought they were better than they are." was true about many of the designers. Those that attempted too much for the time given (suit jacket) made themselves the most vulnerable.

I could understand if Sweet P's shirt looked like more of a blouse, but I cannot understand why it was sewn so badly. Didn't she get her model's measurements? I could understand trouble with the collar, but why were the arms so short?

Elisa totally vindicated herself with what I thought should have been the winning ensemble. There was no requirement to make a dress shirt, and the long sleeved tee and lined vest were very masculine. Her trousers looked well-constructed. And Chris did a great job as well also in black that would have minimized Tiki's derriere. It's like the judges rushed the innovative styles of Christian and Kit and Elisa and Chris off the stage so that they could compare the relative disasters to the boring passes.

A few posters have scolded Heidi for her comments about purple, but she has had issue with purple before. If anyone remembers the show that featured Jay McCarroll , winner of Season One, and his efforts to make a dress for Heidi for an award show that failed. Fellow fanatics, correct me if my memory fails but, in the recording of the conversation she had with Jay about the color of the dress, she told him that she wanted "fire engine red, hot mama" and Jay suggested purple. Heidi then said something along the lines of "In Germany, if you do not know what to wear, you wear purple."

Also in general, purple is a "loaded" color for men more than pink. Dark purple makes white skin look pale, is associated with pimps, and light purple looks too close to lavender, and just the word lavender can send a straight man shrieking into the night. Not to mention that it doesn't flatter anyone! Give me a heather grey instead!

Goodnight Lady M!

The BBB is alive & well & we are all going to live happily ever after. I love the fact that she got right down to the point of these episodes in the intros.

I think that was cheating too. He said something along the lines of "can we use references/inspiration from what we are wearing?' Not the exact pattern, which is exactly what he did. Tim did NOT give him permission to use his shorts as a pattern.

Not only that, I thought that his "sharing" of the pattern was just spreading the guilt among others, so as to water-down his own transgression.

Perhaps this is what he has to answer to in the upcoming episode where he & Tim had some sort of discussion. I hope so.

Also, I think all of the designs were fugly. It's kinda nice to have a double standard in the reversed role though. By that I mean, it's nice to have designers looking out for us gurls. I think men come first in this world in just about every other aspect.

I LOVED Nina's ring too & I HATED Heidi's dress.

I really liked Kevin's garmet, it seemed slightly old-school '40's gangster to me. But pinstripes have that effect.

I value Christian for his sheer entertainment value, but his enormous and unjustifiable ego overshadows any talent he might have.

Must Ricky cry on every episode?

Kit reminds me of Allyson from Season 3....crap, was her name Allyson? Can't remember and don't want to go back and check. The cute blonde who always wore black and white....got sent home after the recycled materials episode.

Speaking of recycling....sometimes it feels like we keep getting the same version of the contestants every season, recycled over and over....but I don't think we have a Santino this season.

Yeah, that was Allison! Christian is playing the Santino part; delusional thinking everything he produces is great, kinda retro at times, and overly excited by a celebrity! Santino lost his S&#t over IMAN just like Christian with SJP! lol!!

You're right, I didn't think that one through......I guess Christian is the closest thing we have to Santino....which is a shame, because I think Santino was a better risk-taker. Christian doesn't take risks, he just designs ridiculous stuff that he sincerely believes is fabulous.

Random thought...I hate that moment when the losing contestant kisses Heidi goodbye and then sort of waves to Nina and Michael, and they're both just sitting there in their chairs with tight-lipped disapproval, like, "You should've done better, so long, bye bye!" They seldom look sad to see anyone go. I think Nina's a bit of a hag. She is the most unglamorous person on that show, and I rarely pay attention to her critiques.

It's funny how this show stirs up so many opinions.

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THOUGHT THE LACK OF "THREADS" CAUSE MUCH DRAMA



ON THE EPISODE AND HERE ON THE BOARDS

BUT IF YOU REALLY REALLY WANT TO KNOW

BBB

YOU WILL HAVE TO REVIEW

"THREAD" TWO

EPISODE ONE ..PLUS... PLUS

THE LANGOLIER "THREAD"

BETTER WATCH OUT

THEM LANGOLIERS LIKE TO DEVOUR LOLYGAGGERS



TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN

GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE AI

WHAT DID YOU DO

PITCH A TENT AND CAMP OUT LOL????

MAN

HAVING THEM AFFICIO NO DOZE TABS DOES COME IN HANDY

BUT HEY

CONGRATS AI

YOU HAVE JUST TAKEN THE PERPETUAL RABBIT

AWAY FROM KRISTI

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN

Good morning Kris! I understand the ambivalence. For me, it's like there are parallel tracks in my mind.. one for reality, and one for diversion (like Runway) to help me cope. Both tracks are usually occupied at the same time and so I don't consider myself a "mindless fan".

I hope you will not kick yourself over enjoying your diversions while your Mom (oops.. Mum) is having surgery! Anything you can do now to shore yourself up and unwind will benefit your mother when you take over her care again. Of course, sleep is the best thing, but it's time to make the coffee!

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OK KRISTI

I GUESS YOU WERE PREOCCUPIED

WITH ALOT OF ISSUES

NOW...........

TELL US HOW IT FEELS TO LOSE THE PERPETUAL RABBIT



TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN

HI YA SMILEY CHEEKS OF SWEET

HAVE TO SAY

TO WHAT YOU SAID INITIALLY....................

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT CHEATING

IF SO THEN THE BALD GUY WHO "DRAPED"

CHEATED AS WELL

NOW HERE'S THE WHY

BECAUSE THE "DRAPE" WAS A "TRACE" OF HIS OWN TORSO

WHICH WASN'T DESIGNED BY HIM

IT IS ALSO AN ORIGINAL DESIGN EXCLUSIVE TO HIMSELF

THE CONTOUR REQUIREMENTS THE "WOMEN" WOULD NOT BE

ABLE TO DO

THE PANTS WERE GENERIC

THE PATTERN GENERIC

NOT AN ORIGINAL DESIGN

PERSONALLY I THOUGHT IT WAS CLEVER QUICK THINKING

THOUGH APPLICATION RESULTS VARIED

NOW

HERES THE REAL SCANDAL THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED

THESE CONTESTANTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PRETTY

ACCOMPLISHED

THE TOTAL LACK OF KNOWLEGE OF CREATING MENS WEAR

SHOULD BE THE ISSUE

AND A FACT THAT SOME OF THEM SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF

OK

YOUR TURN NOW LOL

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN

MAN MH

I DO MISS YOU LOL

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN

P.S. KINDA GLAD LIKE EVERYONE ELSE THE NEW "THREADS' ARE UP.... BUT.....DOESN'T ANYONE THINK
AN APPOLOGY IS IN ORDER...OR AT LEAST A REASON WHY? JMO

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YOU UP MISTY????

WELL IN ANY CASE WHEN YOU DO WAKE

PERHAPS THIS TIP MIGHT HELP YOUR REVIEW

IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE

THERE IS A "LOW FI" VERSION

IF YOU GO TO IT

THE FORUM THERE RESEMBLES THAT OF PAST YEARS

ONLY DRAWBACK IS YOU CANNOT REPLY OR POST

WHILE IN THAT MODE

IT MOVES A BIT FASTER AS ALOT OF THE STUFF

ON THE BOARDERS, TOP, AND BOTTOM OF THE REG PAGE

ARE NOT PRESENT

BUT YOU PROB KNOW THAT ALREADY EH?

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN

Actually, it was Alison, with one "l"! >snigger!<

Sorry! I had to do that!

I hope your mother's surgery goes well today. I will say a prayer for her and you.

I ran into several unpleasant nurses when my mom was in the hospital - understaffed and overworked I think but when you have a loved-one in discomfort and ill you don't have a lot of patience for poor patient treatment. With that said, I'm certain there are wonderful nurses who work in hospitals all around the world and thank goodness for them.

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sorry

Ya know,I will so be kicking myself in the ass later for this,but youve gone too far.


Ive had you blocked for some time now but between people saying "did you see the bs today?" or someone replying to the 100`s of post a day you make (I exaggerate,of course) making the IGNORE feature worthless,I see much of your spew-age daily.



People joked about the fact there was no new thread. Fun was had. No one was becoming hysterical.


How nobel of you to feel the need to remind us of the terrible things going on in the world. Yup,we would have never know anything other then no new thread for PR4 was going on if you hadnt told us. Nope,I needed remimding that my nephew,a father to a three year old,is in Iraq for his second 15 month tour. That his wife and child would spend yet another Christmas without him.

I didnt know about starvation either. Nope,you opened my eyes indeedy. My dad didnt spend a few days sorting through food donated to the Scouts from our community recently,to be distrubted to food banks. We dont buy extra non-perishables everytime we go to the grocery store and drop them off at one of the local churches about once a month. Nope,not us,we dont care about anything other then no new thread for PR4. We be some selfish bastards.


I could point out a time when you couldnt be bothered to check on your mother,who had been taken to the ER. Not a direct quote but something like "Im sure she will be fine" was uttered by you. And how bout your long suffering dog that you had planned on putting down to end his suffering? "He moved a bit so we decided to wait" is close to what was said.


You sit around posting all day and replying,even to yourself,constantly. Thats fine,its your right,but how bout you turn that judgemental additude back on yourself. You are always dogging someone about something. You follow it up with some of your made up words and maybe an LOL and its not you being a [expletive deleted] then. Nope,Its KK reminding us how every choice we make is wrong. How did we ever live without you?


There are no lemmings here. People were joking around,having fun,creating conspiracies.



I might as well take you off ignore. You will reply to me time and time again. I will see it when others quote it. Bravo didnt think that feature through,did they?

I don't see any comparison between Santino and Christian. Santino was a great personality and from looking at his final collection a terrific designer. I don't see either quality in Christian,,, just my opinion. I think Christian has a very high opinion of himself but nothing to back it up.

Christian is more of a parallel to Hung (on TC), but with a less mature talent. He is young, gifted, believes in his own superiority, and doesn't respond well to or act on constructive criticism. Hung at least learned a lesson from this and advised others to take criticism seriously and graciously. Christian isn't there yet.

wow!! now, that's some drama. way more than we've seen on the show so far...

maybe this is a good reason to not do o/t... but what do i know?

i do know that i am thrilled to see carmen go. i just can't take a designer in 2007 seriously that is still waiting to become a member of the thompson twins.

Sorry, but almost all of us good, seasoned, and safe nurses (and I mean almost all ) have left nursing -and certainly hospital nursing- and gone into other fields- 12 hr shifts, forced overtime -sometimes up to 20 hr shifts or threatened by admins with the risk of losing our license,  idiot doctors, poor pay, asinine administrators and overloaded with too many patients for one nurse-whom we are trying not to kill- it just wasnt worth the malpractice risk. Usually by age 40 we are all doing something else-like burning our nurse's license without regret.  I went back to school got my masters and am  working on a PHD in Health Administration specializing in Gerontology- where all the baby boomers are slowly,  unwillingly, and inexorably heading........You think your loved ones care is bad now? Wait 10 more years..... and see where its at...

I agree, Christian is abrasive and in your face at least as far as we can see, Hung was the same way at the beginning but he settled down and I really liked him towards the end. I can't see that happening with Christian

Just gotta say, I'm new here and this stuff seems kinda ugly and personal, are you folks familiar with each other (do you know each other outside this board?) or have you been fighting anonymously?

On topic post here...something rare for these boards...

This men's wear challenge design for Tiki...now that I reflect on it...is one of my favorite challenges. What I really liked about it was that it caught many of them off guard because they are so use to doing women's wear...and they were forced to adapt quickly. The challenge was not only time management but also putting their own spin on an outfit for a celebrity whose style is classic and traditional, and he's in a profession where traditional style is required/expected. Men's wear can be difficult to be innovative in because most men aren't comfortable with color or non-conforming looks.

I must admit I wasn't completely impressed with Jack in this challenge and don't think he necessarily deserved the win. I do like the shirt and pants he produced...and really do like the stripe and stripe combination and the way he played with the stripe angles on the placket front and pocket. My disappointment with this is in that he is a men's wear designer...so this should have come more easily to him than many of the others. Others without men's wear experience provided more pieces. Although what he accomplished was good...the outfit didn't look complete ...considering the client and that it was to be worn on tv. A tie, vest, something else would have helped/completed the look...even though either of those would have covered the nice details he did with the pocket and placket front. When I saw Tiki on the Today show wearing the outfit...he looked fine in it...but just a bit incomplete. Perhaps Jack's was the best he had to choose from for his own personal style though.

Kevin's, although really very nice, stylish and well executed, unfortunately was too much purple. Too bad too because Kevin specifically questioned Tiki about color and got the response that he liked color and wasn't afraid of pink. His was one of the better and more finished outfits of the competition.

Other's that I thought were top contenders and impressed with, but for one reason or another were probably not appropriate for the client/venue.

Kit... probably my favorite. I really liked the fleece sport coat and the pants were nicely done as well. The coat looked really comfortable and fabric selection was innovative twist for a very classic look. I thought she should have won the competition. She thinks just outside the box...pushing design in a new way, where many of the others just regurgitate looks we've previously seen.

Chris' ... black on black...great for evening wear...not necessarily right for day and/or tv. No lapels on the jacket...I really liked the modern twist of this.

Elisa's...one of my favorites, was perhaps too casual. The pleating of the front of the pants was really interesting and I absolutely loved the vest with the surprise colored lining. The shirt...eh...a bit too form fitting and not into the boat neck...not sure this would be flattering to Tiki's broad neck. Looks like her signature "cuckoo" hand stitching on the collar and cuffs as well. I really like her more and more. Wondering if she spit on this one too, to imbibe it with her...oh whatever...

Steven ...classic and simple. I'm into the polo sweater tucked into the trousers. Tiki may have been concerned with how his booty would look in it...lol. The Ascot was ridiculous...but the outfit needed the splash of color.

Victorya...The model looked great in this. I would have like it more if the jacket were perhaps a beige/camel tone rather than the bright white. The fitted/tapered pants are really nice...flattering on the model. She was trying to bring style and a modern look to this challenge, and I appreciate it.

Jillian...nice 3 piece suite and shirt. Looks well constructed...but one of those "we've seen this look before" reactions from me. I'm actually very impressed she completed all those pieces.

The others...

Carmen...deserved the loss. At the very least she should have considered finishing a shirt and pants first...then the jacket last.

Christian...should have been in the bottom 2 with Carmen. The outfit was not cohesive at all...very mismatched style and color-wise. The asymmetrical collar on the shirt did not compliment the bulky lapels on the sport coat. It looked like poor construction to me. I did not understand the gray flaps on the coat pockets either. He did not design this with Tiki's style in mind either...his ego is getting in his way.

Rami...nice...for a walk in the park or a day out shopping maybe. I'm surprised at how conservative and casual this was.

Sweet P...nice pants...seemed to fit well. She should have been able to sew a sleeve at this stage of her career...basic! I'm surprised.

Ricky...boring! Where's his personality in this design? The fact his was put together with pins wasn't the worst of his design...but he did at least attempt to design with the client in mind.

Enough babbling from me for now...proceed with the bs off topic petty bickering again ...if you must

Things do get a bit ugly here now and then, woshkie. This is a long-standing conflict, and the parties in question have been in conflict for a fairly significant length of time, and it traverses several boards. I've been involved in this in the past, and while I'd love to weigh in on it now, I know it would only make things uglier and p!ss off more people than necessary.

I think both parties (and their respective BFFs) know pretty well where I stand on much of the issues involved here, so for the time being, I'm just going to stay mum.

Lia

Thanks Lia, I sure don't want in on any conflict, have plenty of real life crap to deal with. I just think it's funny that people can get so personal and apparently angry with people they don't even know. Thanks for the info.

I liked Elisa's outfit the best. I wonder whether she used a sewing machine this time? I remember Kit talking about Elisa not knowing how to use sewing machine. But she must do as I can't imagine hand-sewing three pieces in less than 2 days.

I hope Ricky is the next to go. I'm tired of all the crying and bitching. And his design has been unremarkable so far.

As for Tikki... I wasn't so impressed with his attitude. He seemed to be personally offended by the unsucessful designs, complaining like, he can't wear them without looking like an idiot, can't wear it tomorrow on Today Show, looks like his 5-year-old did it, etc. Of course they were ugly and messy but it's not like the designers intentionally created crappy outfits for him to wear the very next day. They simply went bad due to the time constraint, lack of experience in mens wear, and faulty concept. It was unnecessary for him to be upset. He could've been cooler and more gracious, just like the sweet SJP was in the last episode.

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