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Fordmanrod
QUOTE (Peg Lamarca @ August 1, 2008 - 01:24 AM) *
Thank you Mister Bush for putting the last nail in the coffins of the world's Polar Bears!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22707746
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5119769

Besides my car needs gas today and my great-grandkids won't ever miss something that went extinct before they were even born!

And I'm so glad Mister Bush that you are sticking to Oil and Nuclear Power Only policy. smile.gif

Who needs clean energy? Wind Power, Solar, Ocean currents even Geothermic energy--- all such a waste of time! (Who cares if most countries have proven us wrong!) This is America Damn It!

Let all other Nations tremble before the Almighty One-Nation-Under-God that is ruled by the Chosen One!!!!

Since the Lord God himself has chosen you to lead our great Nation Mister Bush- I too will worship you!

All Hail Bush, All Hail Bush, All Hail God's Chosen Leader!


You might want to check your facts... a lot of studies are showing that polar bear populations are actually increasing.....and again all of your statements about alternative energy sources are great except that we are at least 10 years out from being able to implement them ; had Clinton ok'd the drilling during his administration we would not be where we are now ...being held hostage by countries that would like nothing better than to see the US torn apart.
Also your rant is a PERFECT example of my previous post on how liberals carry on dialogue....
TaterTot
QUOTE (Fordmanrod @ August 1, 2008 - 08:59 AM) *
You might want to check your facts... a lot of studies are showing that polar bear populations are actually increasing.....and again all of your statements about alternative energy sources are great except that we are at least 10 years out from being able to implement them ; had Clinton ok'd the drilling during his administration we would not be where we are now ...being held hostage by countries that would like nothing better than to see the US torn apart.
Also your rant is a PERFECT example of my previous post on how liberals carry on dialogue....



wacko.gif Why is this so hard for so many people to understand?
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (TaterTot @ August 1, 2008 - 10:51 AM) *
wacko.gif Why is this so hard for so many people to understand?



Because it's not true???? tongue.gif
Ruuuuuuning!

OK I'm trying to get to heaven...Sharing music
and that is the ONLY way I am getting in.

I found this lady..a happy accident and I am just sort of mesmered...I think that's a word....But if not it should be. .So she is like a feminist and controversial in Japan.
Cool and I love her voice even though I don't understand a word she is saying.

ALSO this song is entitled Cosmos which brings
us to the pic of the day on discover the cosmos from NASA...Shweeeeew I got there.
Once on a PBS special about women and
men's brains and the differences.. the lady said YES we will get there GUYS....It may take us the long way home tongue.gif
(yeah that song who is that again????)
Pay attention!!!! cool.gif




La bella luna wub.gif




Astronomy Picture of the Day



Discover the cosmos! Each day a different image or photograph of our fascinating universe is featured, along with a brief explanation written by a professional astronomer.

2008 August 1


Moon Games



Explanation: The Moon's measured diameter is around 3,476 kilometers (2,160 miles). But apparent angular size, or the angle covered by an object, can also be important to Moon enthusiasts. Angular size depends on distance, the farther away an object is, the smaller an angle it covers. Since the Moon is 400,000 kilometers away, its angular size is only about 1/2 degree, a span easily covered by the tip of your finger held at arms length, or a measuring tape held in the distance by a friend. Of course the Sun is much larger than the Moon, 400 times larger in fact, but today the New Moon will just cover the Sun. The total solar eclipse can be seen along a track across northern Canada, the Arctic, Siberia, and northern China. (A partial eclipse is visible from a broader region). Solar eclipses illustrate the happy coincidence that while the Sun is 400 times the diameter of the Moon, it is also 400 times farther away giving the Sun and Moon exactly the same angular size.













Here




What bloody hell are you saying????






Momoe Yamaguchi - Cosmos
Fordmanrod
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ August 1, 2008 - 11:10 AM) *
Because it's not true???? tongue.gif
Ruuuuuuning!

OK I'm trying to get to heaven...Sharing music
and that is the ONLY way I am getting in.

I found this lady..a happy accident and I am just sort of mesmered...I think that's a word....But if not it should be. .So she is like a feminist and controversial in Japan.
Cool and I love her voice even though I don't understand a word she is saying.

ALSO this song is entitled Cosmos which brings
us to the pic of the day on discover the cosmos from NASA...Shweeeeew I got there.
Once on a PBS special about women and
men's brains and the differences.. the lady said YES we will get there GUYS....It may take us the long way home tongue.gif
(yeah that song who is that again????)
Pay attention!!!! cool.gif




La bella luna wub.gif




Astronomy Picture of the Day



Discover the cosmos! Each day a different image or photograph of our fascinating universe is featured, along with a brief explanation written by a professional astronomer.

2008 August 1


Moon Games



Explanation: The Moon's measured diameter is around 3,476 kilometers (2,160 miles). But apparent angular size, or the angle covered by an object, can also be important to Moon enthusiasts. Angular size depends on distance, the farther away an object is, the smaller an angle it covers. Since the Moon is 400,000 kilometers away, its angular size is only about 1/2 degree, a span easily covered by the tip of your finger held at arms length, or a measuring tape held in the distance by a friend. Of course the Sun is much larger than the Moon, 400 times larger in fact, but today the New Moon will just cover the Sun. The total solar eclipse can be seen along a track across northern Canada, the Arctic, Siberia, and northern China. (A partial eclipse is visible from a broader region). Solar eclipses illustrate the happy coincidence that while the Sun is 400 times the diameter of the Moon, it is also 400 times farther away giving the Sun and Moon exactly the same angular size.













Here




What bloody hell are you saying????






Momoe Yamaguchi - Cosmos


KK... figure it out..... think how long it will take to build a wind farm or large solar display big enough to serve a city; then add the time to build the transmission lines to get the power to said city ; then add the time to get past the permits , EIRs and all of the other red tape...how long do you think that will be? And that still will not put ONE drop of gas in your tank......
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (Fordmanrod @ August 1, 2008 - 11:33 AM) *
KK... figure it out..... think how long it will take to build a wind farm or large solar display big enough to serve a city; then add the time to build the transmission lines to get the power to said city ; then add the time to get past the permits , EIRs and all of the other red tape...how long do you think that will be? And that still will not put ONE drop of gas in your tank......



I know it's more complex than that Ford.BUT
honestly we HAVE to stop depending on oil for our cars and find other ways to electrify us.
We can do it ....Of COURSE we can .Solar and other things... Hydro and whatever.We can do it and someday we will...I remember my Aunt Connie a sweet lady who had MS in her wheelchair (she's in my pix) who was married to Uncle Tony the cheek pincher from HELL and Grandma Nancy sitting outside saying:
We will NEVER get to the moon....NEVER!!

Well we did.

WE can do it!!!!
Would you like to buy a push pin map for your travels kind sir???????? tongue.gif


My brother said that he was stuck in a big traffic jam last night on the way to see da Boss.
A propane tanker overturned I think or sumpthin'...So he went on late like 9 ish and my brother left at 12 and he was still going strong and probably played another few hours.
Imagine the joy he must feel up there and I am sooo jealous!! I wanna' do what I LOVE for a job.

I KNOW you like da Boss tongue.gif
notevayas
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ August 1, 2008 - 10:10 AM) *
Because it's not true???? tongue.gif
Ruuuuuuning!

OK I'm trying to get to heaven...Sharing music
and that is the ONLY way I am getting in.

I found this lady..a happy accident and I am just sort of mesmered...I think that's a word....But if not it should be. .So she is like a feminist and controversial in Japan.
Cool and I love her voice even though I don't understand a word she is saying.

ALSO this song is entitled Cosmos which brings
us to the pic of the day on discover the cosmos from NASA...Shweeeeew I got there.
Once on a PBS special about women and
men's brains and the differences.. the lady said YES we will get there GUYS....It may take us the long way home tongue.gif
(yeah that song who is that again????)
Pay attention!!!! cool.gif ...

(edited by Note for "space" hee hee!)

Moon Games


Moon Shadow
Cat Stevens

I'm being followed by a moon shadow
moon shadow-moon shadow
leaping and hopping on a moon shadow
moon shadow-moon shadow
and if I ever lose my hands
lose my plough, lose my land
oh, if I ever lose my hands
oh, if...
I won't have to work no more
and if I ever lose my eyes
If my colours all run dry
yes, if I ever lose my eyes
oh if …
I won't have to cry no more.
yes, I'm being followed by a moon shadow
moon shadow - moon shadow
leaping and hopping on a moon shadow
moon shadow - moon shadow
and if I ever lose my legs
I won't moan and I won't beg
of (oh)* if I ever lose my legs
oh if...
I won't have to walk no more
And if I ever lose my mouth
all my teeth, north and south
yes, if I ever lose my mouth
oh if...
I won't have to talk...
Did it take long to find me
I ask the faithful light
Ooh did it take long to find me
And are you going to stay the night
I'm being followed by a moon shadow
moon shadow - moon shadow
leaping and hopping on a moon shadow
moon shadow - moon shadow
moon shadow - moon shadow
moon shadow - moon shadow
Kristlkrost
Note you brought out the BIG guns...Cat????
You are a brat.
Oh sigh....I do so love the man and his music and his peaceful life.
We going moon then huh???? Yeah let's
and say we did. I was gonna' go all Van Morrison or Rory Gallagher......swooon
But methinks I 'll go Dean for my father.
He told me once...one of the few times her ever spoke tongue.gif

He said ....*Kriskros*
(He called me that hence my screen name)
If you want to go to the moon you can.
Well dad...I already have...And back wub.gif

La bell luna senor'

We Moonstruck..And we love all the wrong peeps and we make messes and we die
happy.lol




Dean Martin - That's Amore Lyrics

(In Napoli where love is King)
(When boy meets girl)
(Here's what they say)

When the moon hits your eye
Like a big-a pizza pie
That's amore
When the world seems to shine
Like you've had too much wine
That's amore

Bells'll ring
Ting-a-ling-a-ling
Ting-a-ling-a-ling
And you'll sing "Vita bella"
Hearts'll play
Tippi-tippi-tay
Tippi-tippi-tay
Like a gay tarantella

When the stars make you drool
Joost-a like pasta fazool
That's amore
When you dance down the street
With a cloud at your feet, you're in love
When you walk in a dream
But you know you're not dreamin', signore
'Scusami, but you see
Back in old Napoli, that's amore

(When the moon hits your eye)
(Like a big-a pizza pie, that's amore)

That's amore

(When the world seems to shine
(Like you've had too much wine, that's amore)

That's amore

(Bells will ring)
(Ting-a-ling-a-ling)
(ting-a-ling-a-ling)
(And you'll sing "Vita bella")
(Vita bell-vita bella)
(Hearts will play)
(Tippi-tippi-tay, tippi-tippi-tay)
(Like a gay tarantella)

Lucky fella

When the stars make you drool just like pasta fazool
That's amore (that's amore)
When you dance down the street
With a cloud at your feet, you're in love
When you walk in a dream
But you know you're not dreaming, signore
'Scusami, but you see
Back in old Napoli, that's amore
shyjanne
QUOTE (TaterTot @ August 1, 2008 - 10:51 AM) *
wacko.gif Why is this so hard for so many people to understand?

Cause they're Liberals! you have to hit them over the head with the truth.
shyjanne
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ August 1, 2008 - 09:28 AM) *
Offshore drilling????
John we need to stop now before
I have a conniption. tongue.gif
NO offshore drilling.....None!
We don't need to drill..We gots all kind of other resources and they know it.
Oil and the Bush's are like two peas in a very big tightly crowded pod..Ask AI..She from Austin Texas...They know stuff down yonder.
Nuclear....I'm not so convinced against of.
Well that one is iffy for me... My heart says..but...well NO. If they could make it fool proof....sure......And the waste and all.
Yeah NO...Never mind ...Windmills are nice.lol
As George Carlin said this earth will shake us off like a bad case of fleas... And I can't
remember who said this to me recently but they said that it's not to protect the earth from us
us..being careful and all...It will recover once we are gone for sure....Not drilling and all the rest like global warming precautions.
It's to protect US so that we can sustain here.
If we keep up we will kill ourselves.
THAT makes sense to me...So the 'serves who
say it's all an inconvenient truth...Well it may be to the be end and end all of this earth as a planet.....But not to us as a life species.


Jmsvnho and you have the floor kind sir.

Kristl, you and me are going to argue yet. We have plenty of resourses here in the U.S. and I want em. and I'm taking the bait. tried to figure it out but what the heck does Jmsvnho mean.
shyjanne
QUOTE (brillke @ August 1, 2008 - 08:35 AM) *
OMG Brooke, what a beautiful story. Made me cry. I'm in a kind of wierd mood anyway today. Thanks for oversharing.
notevayas
QUOTE (shyjanne @ August 1, 2008 - 11:12 AM) *
Cause they're Liberals! you have to hit them over the head with the truth.

You found Stella and her mallet! ohmy.gif
Politics gives me a headache! I'm listening to music with KK! tongue.gif
You Conservatives just need a Liberal to mellow you out! wink.gif
shyjanne
QUOTE (Fordmanrod @ August 1, 2008 - 09:53 AM) *
As a professional auto technician I can attest to all of you that while that will help a little it just goes to show that Obama has NO CLUE as to what really needs to be done except spout out simplistic edicts .... makes me think of Al Gore (shudder.....)

Rod, boy what has gotten into you. You go guy! Im supportin everything you've said so far. I would have to write an epistle to say what you said in a few short sentences. Just whatever you say, ditto for me.
shyjanne
QUOTE (notevayas @ August 1, 2008 - 12:02 PM) *
Moon Shadow
Cat Stevens

I'm being followed by a moon shadow
moon shadow-moon shadow
leaping and hopping on a moon shadow
moon shadow-moon shadow
and if I ever lose my hands
lose my plough, lose my land
oh, if I ever lose my hands
oh, if...
I won't have to work no more
and if I ever lose my eyes
If my colours all run dry
yes, if I ever lose my eyes
oh if …
I won't have to cry no more.
yes, I'm being followed by a moon shadow
moon shadow - moon shadow
leaping and hopping on a moon shadow
moon shadow - moon shadow
and if I ever lose my legs
I won't moan and I won't beg
of (oh)* if I ever lose my legs
oh if...
I won't have to walk no more
And if I ever lose my mouth
all my teeth, north and south
yes, if I ever lose my mouth
oh if...
I won't have to talk...
Did it take long to find me
I ask the faithful light
Ooh did it take long to find me
And are you going to stay the night
I'm being followed by a moon shadow
moon shadow - moon shadow
leaping and hopping on a moon shadow
moon shadow - moon shadow
moon shadow - moon shadow
moon shadow - moon shadow

I love Cat Stevens or whatever his name is now. Fav song Father and son. Note you just don't know what you've unleashed giving me the smiley link. Thank you Thank you Thank you
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (notevayas @ August 1, 2008 - 12:30 PM) *
You found Stella and her mallet! ohmy.gif
Politics gives me a headache! I'm listening to music with KK! tongue.gif
You Conservatives just need a Liberal to mellow you out! wink.gif



GAWD . .we got the 'servs pissed up.lol

Stella???
Listen to this..Take that Note
Sigh and swoooooon!
Mister Elvis Costello. . . The hippest man alive.
Well you know it's a streetcar and it's named desire........ OF COURSE!!


STEEEEEEEEEEEELLAAAAAAAA!!!!!! tongue.gif


It only hurts when you laugh!




Elvis Costello:Stella Hurt




You should wear your red galoshes
Walking o'er the city pride
Streets are paved with heaven's pennies
Gutters full of suicides

Teddy steadily fell from graceful
Somewhere near Arcadia
Once she overheard a voice
That she didn't hear on the radio

Velvet gloves and country clubs
Were never going to hold her
Ringing the necks of silly
Southern belles
Who wanted to scold her

Don't bring me down
I'm trouble bound
Blue song
Red Alert
Who made Stella Hurt?

Teddy soon dropped out of sight
Turned up in another town
Changed her name for the spotlight
Singing like a blue bird in a sequin gown

She finally fell and married well
But she knew it wouldn't last
Reversing back into the limelight
No one ever saw her even half-plastered

Don't bring me down
I'm trouble bound
Blue song
Red Alert
Who made Stella Hurt?

Then she saw those soldier boys
Throw their bonnets in the air
Self-made men would pledge their fortunes
And dream of her
And dream of her

Generals in the commissary opened up a case of wine
Checked the perfume of the cork
Said "Made in 1929"

They used her up, to raise morale and money
For Old Glory
Her voice was shot beyond repair
But that is not the last act of this story

The night is black as cracked shellac
Abandoned in an attic
Stella is silent as the grave
Until a needle drags her through the static

Don't bring me down
I'm trouble bound
Blue song
Red Alert
Who made Stella Hurt?
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (shyjanne @ August 1, 2008 - 12:20 PM) *
Kristl, you and me are going to argue yet. We have plenty of resourses here in the U.S. and I want em. and I'm taking the bait. tried to figure it out but what the heck does Jmsvnho mean.


LOL.... Just my so very not humble opinion tongue.gif
I ain't arguing with no one . .I 'm too happy today ...Please forgive me but I feel pretty oh sooo pretty lol...I smell pretty darn good too. biggrin.gif
shyjanne
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ August 1, 2008 - 12:54 PM) *
GAWD . .we got the 'servs pissed up.lol

Stella???
Listen to this..Take that Note
Sigh and swoooooon!
Mister Elvis Costello. . . The hippest man alive.
Well you know it's a streetcar and it's named desire........ OF COURSE!!


STEEEEEEEEEEEELLAAAAAAAA!!!!!! tongue.gif


It only hurts when you laugh!



<H1 class=firstHeading>Elvis Costello:Stella Hurt </H1>You should wear your red galoshes
Walking o'er the city pride
Streets are paved with heaven's pennies
Gutters full of suicides

Teddy steadily fell from graceful
Somewhere near Arcadia
Once she overheard a voice
That she didn't hear on the radio

Velvet gloves and country clubs
Were never going to hold her
Ringing the necks of silly
Southern belles
Who wanted to scold her

Don't bring me down
I'm trouble bound
Blue song
Red Alert
Who made Stella Hurt?

Teddy soon dropped out of sight
Turned up in another town
Changed her name for the spotlight
Singing like a blue bird in a sequin gown

She finally fell and married well
But she knew it wouldn't last
Reversing back into the limelight
No one ever saw her even half-plastered

Don't bring me down
I'm trouble bound
Blue song
Red Alert
Who made Stella Hurt?

Then she saw those soldier boys
Throw their bonnets in the air
Self-made men would pledge their fortunes
And dream of her
And dream of her

Generals in the commissary opened up a case of wine
Checked the perfume of the cork
Said "Made in 1929"

They used her up, to raise morale and money
For Old Glory
Her voice was shot beyond repair
But that is not the last act of this story

The night is black as cracked shellac
Abandoned in an attic
Stella is silent as the grave
Until a needle drags her through the static

Don't bring me down
I'm trouble bound
Blue song
Red Alert
Who made Stella Hurt?








Hope this works. Go here for song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jek6iP6AuAQ
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (shyjanne @ August 1, 2008 - 12:37 PM) *
Rod, boy what has gotten into you. You go guy! Im supportin everything you've said so far. I would have to write an epistle to say what you said in a few short sentences. Just whatever you say, ditto for me.


You're dangerous with those smilies!!!! tongue.gif
Bad Company I got.Don't you know that you are
my shooting star. I LOVE that song!
Ooops..... A shooting star. rolleyes.gif

OK good news...The guy who my brother wants my son to work for is a like a whiz on computers and a REALLY smart biz guy and has all these biz's..AND he is getting these infra red cameras from China for security...He is Chinese btw.
SO he wants my son to install them in the city
A ground breaking thing...New technology..And my son will do the computer stuff too..I am soo excited as this guy can teach my son A LOT!!!
He actually said to my brother....Forget
the school.lol .....AND I said to my brother
I don't want him driving into the city for no money as gas and stuff.. Well he said.
No problem..... BIG money no lie!

Woooohooooo
Anyone want a job??
He needs peeps for real..lol
shyjanne
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ August 1, 2008 - 01:10 PM) *
You're dangerous with those smilies!!!! tongue.gif
Bad Company I got.Don't you know that you are
my shooting star. I LOVE that song!

OK good news.... The guy who my brother wants my son to work for is a like a whiz and a
REALLY smart biz guy and has all these biz's..AND he is getting these infra red cameras from China for security...He is Chinese btw.

SO he wants my son to install them in the city
A ground breaking thing...New technology..And my son will do the computer stuff too..I am soo excited as this guy can teach my son A LOT!!!
He actually said to my brother....Forget
the school.lol .....AND I said to my brother
I don't want him driving into the city for no money as gas and stuff.. Well he said.
No problem..... BIG money no lie!

Woooohooooo
Anyone want a job??
He needs peeps for real..lol


Great news for Justin. Did I tell you I have a great-nephew named Justin? His middle name is Gage. as in Just engage! What was my niece thinkin? Favor will you go to my link and see if you get Cat playing F & S.? First time trying to post a song.
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (shyjanne @ August 1, 2008 - 01:07 PM) *
Hope this works. Go here for song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jek6iP6AuAQ



Aww thanks How I love this man
He did the music for Harold & Maude.
I mean................ wub.gif
But even without that.... he is just magical.

OK... Cat had two careers more or less.
I don't know if you know that.
Here he is as his first incarnation.
Dunno' if he wrote this......I'll go look.

Not always
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (shyjanne @ August 1, 2008 - 01:17 PM) *
Great news for Justin. Did I tell you I have a great-nephew named Justin? His middle name is Gage. as in Just engage! What was my niece thinkin? Favor will you go to my link and see if you get Cat playing F & S.? First time trying to post a song.



They always call him Justintime...Doh
Yes it worked and congrats!!!!
We can get YOU a job with him now.lol
Fordmanrod
QUOTE (shyjanne @ August 1, 2008 - 12:12 PM) *
Cause they're Liberals! you have to hit them over the head with the truth.


Too bad its just like Jack Nicolson in "A Few Good Men".... "You can't handle the truth!!!!"
Fordmanrod
QUOTE (notevayas @ August 1, 2008 - 12:30 PM) *
You found Stella and her mallet! ohmy.gif
Politics gives me a headache! I'm listening to music with KK! tongue.gif
You Conservatives just need a Liberal to mellow you out! wink.gif


Note, I am probably the most mellow conservative you have ever met....I like most kinds of music, art and theater... I like all kinds of people(even liberals)and I really do care about our environment. But I will not swallow the line that most of the powers that be on the liberal side of the fence wish to spew.
shyjanne
QUOTE (Fordmanrod @ August 1, 2008 - 02:00 PM) *
Note, I am probably the most mellow conservative you have ever met....I like most kinds of music, art and theater... I like all kinds of people(even liberals)and I really do care about our environment. But I will not swallow the line that most of the powers that be on the liberal side of the fence wish to spew.

Ditto! off with their head! Oh me not to mellow.
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (Fordmanrod @ August 1, 2008 - 02:00 PM) *
Note, I am probably the most mellow conservative you have ever met....I like most kinds of music, art and theater... I like all kinds of people(even liberals)and I really do care about our environment. But I will not swallow the line that most of the powers that be on the liberal side of the fence wish to spew.


Ford the one thing I have learned is that the two
extreme sides must exist and is what this country is founded on... With that hard fight comes somewhat of a happy medium...Our founding fathers WERE radicals.
No they WERE.A whole new breathtaking world.
Radical ideas change the world...Long live radicals.

I like liberal radicals...lol But that fight will keep the insane off our doorsteps and out of our laws.
Snagglepuss
QUOTE (brillke @ August 1, 2008 - 08:35 AM) *
I actually saw Maya Angelou speak many years ago at McKendree college. Amazing women.

Only reason Im even replying to you,well,,its not really to only you but you happened to tell the pencil story.

My sister collected any and every pen and pencil she found and put them in a can on her desk. When a student forgot a writing instrument,of course they could have one...for a fee. Some kids whipped out wads of cash that were worth more then she,a underpaid teacher,made in a week. Nope,no cash tyvm. They had to write in a journal she kept in her desk. It had to be a certain length,Im not sure what that length was,and it had to be something personal.

Some kids were like "this is stupid" and filled their page with garbage. Most kids took it seriously and filled the page,even going over the mandatory length,with their hopes and dreams,their fears,their secrets,their hate and their loves. Youd be amazed at the kids who "forgot" their pencils several times a week. There was a waiting list for that journal!

To keep anyone from reading other kids stuff,it was for her eyes only and she never read it without permission,each kid was given a page like you have in a binder. Ya know the kind,clear and you can put papers in or out of it. Im not sure what they are called. This big black binder was huge after her 5 years at the school she taught at at the time. Im not sure but I wouldnt be surprised if she had to remove pages as kids graduated to make room.

Did the book help? I think it did. One student,the only students work that I read and she did ask permission for me to read first,was struggling and wrote page after page of hate filled,suicidal rants complete with artwork of his death. He had lost both his parents as a child in grade school and was living with a grandmother who was in the hospital on and off his Jr.year and he was afraid he would be left alone again. He had an aunt that taught at the school but I guess they were not close because she,my sister, didnt know they were related until years later so I assume the poor kid felt all alone.

He started staying after school so he could hang around my sister,she was the chess club coach(can you say nerd!)and was a sponsor for the Sr. class so her days were very long. He started doing better in school,started taking care of himself and even got a girlfriend.

The next year,his Sr. year,his grandmother passed away. He got even closer to my sister. In fact,he showed up at her front door,twice. You can imagine how that freaked her out! Oh,we live in a tiny town and the school was in a neighboring town only 4 miles away,not like she was hard to find. Once she let him know about boundaries,he didnt do that again. She did tell the guidance counselor about this and while he was in his foster home,no he did not go live with his aunt for some reason,she set up counseling for him.

At graduation,the boy hugged my sister and told her thanks to her he was alive. She was like aw ty but you deserve all the credit. He very calmly said "No,you dont understand. I was going to kill myself once my grandma died. " Well,as you can imagine,my sister was floored! After a few are you serious,he explained that being able to express himself freely in that journal and slowly beginning to trust my sister,he decided he didnt want to check out after all.

2 years later,I was in WalMart with my sister and we hear "Ms.G!",I swear we hear that every time we go somewhere,even out of state,and she turns and its him. He comes running up and gets her in a bear hug and they are in the electronics dept. crying like babies and I of course am like "WTF." They talk while I keep busy and she later tells me he is now working his way through college and doing very well. She said that is what makes her go to work everyday.

Does it always have a happy ending? No.

One of her chess kids was brilliant. In fact,the school created the chess team for him. He and his mother moved to the area and once they found out there was no chess team,they went to the school board and asked for one. Fast forward a few weeks later and there is a chess team. The kid had a full-ride scholarship to some very nice college(I dont remember the name) and had to stay active to keep his scholarship.

The boys mom used a cane to walk and anytime her son did something to displease her,she hit him with it. It didnt matter where they were,he was hit and it happened often. She pushed him very hard and Im sure she thought she was doing what was best for him but sadly,it turned tragic.

The boy didnt show up for school one day and the truant officer went to his home. No answer. The next day,no boy and another visit. Still no answer. On the third day,the cop went in the house. Skipping over the gruesome stuff,she had hit the boy once too often I guess and the mom was dead in the home. He had beat her with the cane.

It took a few hours but he was found hiding in a local barn. I dont know how he was found so fast but I assume friends let the police know places he hung out. He was arrested and in jail awaiting trail. He refused any visitor but my sister. He actually asked to see her. Before she was able to go visit,he took his own life in his cell. He was 16.

I swear this is true and I can send the link to the St.Louis Post Dispatch that carried the sad,tragic story if anyone thinks Im being dramatic.

So,the point Im trying to make is with the pencil thing,yes,saying no,you cannot have one you should be responsible for yourself isnt a bad thing(teaching a child to be strong and independent is never a bad thing) but what works for one doesnt always work for the other. A teacher isnt just there to teach a kid,they become a surrogate parent to some. Teachers are also counselor,shrinks,advisers,mentors,referees,life coaches,etc... and there is no way they are paid enough for their services or given the thanks from society that they deserve.

Im sorry everyone,all this teacher talk really got my old noggin going and I over shared.








Great Story Brillke!

I am eternally grateful for the wonderful teachers who took extra time from their day and their busy lives to help me.

I wrote of this in another post, but growing up we were desperately poor.... Some of my teachers would send me home with bags of clothes from their children! I was embarrassed... but not as embarrassed as not having clean clothes to wear....

Teachers are underpaid and under appreciated!
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ August 1, 2008 - 02:08 PM) *
Ford the one thing I have learned is that the two
extreme sides must exist and is what this country is founded on... With that hard fight comes somewhat of a happy medium...Our founding fathers WERE radicals.
No they WERE.A whole new breathtaking world.
Radical ideas change the world...Long live radicals.

I like liberal radicals...lol But that fight will keep the insane off our doorsteps and out of our laws.


Oh and.lol
I don't mean extremists....I mean radicals.
Ciao I godda go and do the stuff in that heat.Sigh it is soo hot out there. unsure.gif
shyjanne
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ August 1, 2008 - 02:08 PM) *
Ford the one thing I have learned is that the two
extreme sides must exist and is what this country is founded on... With that hard fight comes somewhat of a happy medium...Our founding fathers WERE radicals.
No they WERE.A whole new breathtaking world.
Radical ideas change the world...Long live radicals.

I like liberal radicals...lol But that fight will keep the insane off our doorsteps and out of our laws.

Hey we finally agree on politics! I don't want our country to go too far to the left or right. All tho if I had to choose, I'd rather be right.
johnw
QUOTE (Peg Lamarca @ August 1, 2008 - 01:24 AM) *
Thank you Mister Bush for putting the last nail in the coffins of the world's Polar Bears!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22707746
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5119769

Besides my car needs gas today and my great-grandkids won't ever miss something that went extinct before they were even born!

And I'm so glad Mister Bush that you are sticking to Oil and Nuclear Power Only policy. smile.gif

Who needs clean energy? Wind Power, Solar, Ocean currents even Geothermic energy--- all such a waste of time! (Who cares if most countries have proven us wrong!) This is America Damn It!

Let all other Nations tremble before the Almighty One-Nation-Under-God that is ruled by the Chosen One!!!!

Since the Lord God himself has chosen you to lead our great Nation Mister Bush- I too will worship you!

All Hail Bush, All Hail Bush, All Hail God's Chosen Leader!


Peg,

The polar bear population is not exactly in immediate danger of becoming extinct. The polar bear population has actually doubled, increasing from 12,000 in 1960 to 20,000 to 25,000 today.

Liberals are using the excuse of global warming as the reason for polar bears becoming extinct. Polar bears have been around for at least 100,000 years ever since they evolved (fur turned white) from the brown bear or grizzley bear. Over this period there have been 4 or 5 periods of global warming and cooldowns. The polar bear survived all of these climate changes.

I understand that the bulk of the polar bear population in North America is on the Canadian shore, not the Alaskan, so if the Canadians are protecting the bears they are in little danger of becoming extinct.

As mentioned before, these animals are second cousins to the grizzley bear. The cubs may look soft and cuddly but I wouldn't want to get too close to an adult.

By the way, the arctic seals are on the same potential "endangered species" list as the polar bear. Since seals are the polar bears main source of food, I would think that the seal population would be ectatic if a few more polar bears weren't around.

Many of the inuit eskimos who hunt the seal and polar bear (not for sport) resent the people who live in the lower 48 states and big cities that are intruding on their way of life.

Energy: It's not just oil and nuclear energy that Bush wants to increase but all available sources of energy - anything that will make us less dependent of foreign sources of oil controlled by people who hate us...Hugo Chavez and Citgo for instance. I forgot to mention shale oil in the Rocky Mts. Worse comes to worse, we have the largest supply of coal in the world.

I don't know too much about wind power except that it should be built far, far away from populated areas. I seem to remember that there was a "not in my backyard" reaction to it - those gigantic windmills were considered to be an eyesore.
shyjanne
QUOTE (Fordmanrod @ August 1, 2008 - 11:33 AM) *
KK... figure it out..... think how long it will take to build a wind farm or large solar display big enough to serve a city; then add the time to build the transmission lines to get the power to said city ; then add the time to get past the permits , EIRs and all of the other red tape...how long do you think that will be? And that still will not put ONE drop of gas in your tank......

Have you listened to T. Boone Pickens? He's pretty sure of what's going on. Rather have him than Obama, at least he has a plan.
shyjanne
QUOTE (johnw @ August 1, 2008 - 02:14 PM) *
Peg,
Liberals are using the excuse of global warming as the reason for polar bears becoming extinct. Polar bears have been around for at least 100,000 years ever since they evolved (fur turned white) from the brown bear or grizzley bear. Over this period there have been 4 or 5 periods of global warming and cooldowns. The polar bear survived all of these climate changes.
And so have we. Last period of GW I believe was in the 1840's or was that the cooling. The earth changes all the time, and tho I agree we are currently responsible for some of it, give it a couple of hundred years and we'll be cold again

As mentioned before, these animals are second cousins to the grizzley bear. The cubs may look soft and cuddly but I wouldn't want to get too close to an adult.

By the way, the arctic seals are on the same potential "endangered species" list as the polar bear. Since seals are the polar bears main source of food, I would think that the seal population would be ectatic if a few more polar bears weren't around.
It's all about supply and demand, More polar bears less seals, more seals, more polar bears --circle of life.

Many of the inuit eskimos who hunt the seal and polar bear (not for sport) resent the people who live in the lower 48 states and big cities that are intruding on their way of life.

And rightfully so. When will we ever learn. I bet they rue the day they decided to become a state.

Energy: It's not just oil and nuclear energy that Bush wants to increase but all available sources of energy - anything that will make us less dependent of foreign sources of oil controlled by people who hate us...Hugo Chavez and Citgo for instance. I forgot to mention shale oil in the Rocky Mts. Worse comes to worse, we have the largest supply of coal in the world.
And natural gas and propane.

I don't know too much about wind power except that it should be built far, far away from populated areas. I seem to remember that there was a "not in my backyard" reaction to it - those gigantic windmills were considered to be an eyesore.

When I was recently out west, the number of windmills has increased greatly, especially in Kansas and Wyoming. My SIL in CO said the local gov't won't allow personal systems to be installed because of local ordinances. I personally think they are magical to watch.
Snagglepuss
QUOTE (Fordmanrod @ August 1, 2008 - 09:33 AM) *
Tater... I agree with you....it is the same arguement that is currently in the news regarding the "N" word... if that word is not to be used by whites then it should not be used by blacks either is it is bad then it is bad ...period. I do not care what Whoopie thinks here....culturally , morally or whatever...that attitude is a double standard and needs to stop.

I agree with your statement...to a point.

It's not the words themselves that are inherently bad.... it's the hatred behind them. (And I'm sure you know that, but I just wanted to relate a personal story).

One week ago, I was watching a summer blockbuster at my local multiplex and at the big finale at the end, the villain is struck down with a lethal blow. And the hero grabs him to keep him from falling (this is where the villain says his "last rights").
So the hero is holding the villain in what is meant to be a compassionate scene, and a guy in the audience (sitting 3 seats from me) yells out...
"what! Are you gonna kiss the FAGG*T!!!!" And the audience erupts in laughter!

Now I don't care what your personal beliefs are. But when I go to the movies I don't want to feel like there are people sitting around me who would laugh as I lay dying just because I am gay.
And that is exactly the message I got.


So although words cannot really hurt us at all.... the hatred and bigotry that those words represent can.
I have been the recipient (I don't like the word victim) of both verbal and physical assaults and I have lost employment and housing opportunities due to my "otherness".

So although I truly wished we lived in a world of "live and let live" and that we did not need laws on the books to protect the most vulnerable in our society... The sad fact of the matter is, that as long as there is hatred and discrimination, then we do.... (and that includes Religious Freedom too and all of the legal protections that come with it).
shyjanne
QUOTE (Snagglepuss @ August 1, 2008 - 02:32 PM) *
I agree with your statement...to a point.

It's not the words themselves that are inherently bad.... it's the hatred behind them. (And I'm sure you know that, but I just wanted to relate a personal story).

One week ago, I was watching a summer blockbuster at my local multiplex and at the big finale at the end, the villain is struck down with a lethal blow. And the hero grabs him to keep him from falling (this is where the villain says his "last rights").
So the hero is holding the villain in what is meant to be a compassionate scene, and a guy in the audience (sitting 3 seats from me) yells out...
"what! Are you gonna kiss the FAGG*T!!!!" And the audience erupts in laughter!

Now I don't care what your personal beliefs are. But when I go to the movies I don't want to feel like there are people sitting around me who would laugh as I lay dying just because I am gay.
And that is exactly the message I got.


So although words cannot really hurt us at all.... the hatred and bigotry that those words represent can.
I have been the recipient (I don't like the word victim) of both verbal and physical assaults and I have lost employment and housing opportunities due to my "otherness".

So although I truly wished we lived in a world of "live and let live" and that we did not need laws on the books to protect the most vulnerable in our society... The sad fact of the matter is, that as long as there is hatred and discrimination, then we do.... (and that includes Religious Freedom too and all of the legal protections that come with it).

SP, I'm so sorry you had to hear that. That was just mean and rude. I think I would have had to speak out and I would have had I'd been there. But do not think you are alone, I get it all the time for my conservative Christian beliefs. I will fight for the right of anyone to be just who they are. Well except criminals. Thoughts and prayers are with you.
johnw
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ August 1, 2008 - 08:28 AM) *
Offshore drilling????
John we need to stop now before
I have a conniption. tongue.gif
NO offshore drilling.....None!
We don't need to drill..We gots all kind of other resources and they know it.
Oil and the Bush's are like two peas in a very big tightly crowded pod..Ask AI..She from Austin Texas...They know stuff down yonder.
Nuclear....I'm not so convinced against of.
Well that one is iffy for me... My heart says..but...well NO. If they could make it fool proof....sure......And the waste and all.
Yeah NO...Never mind ...Windmills are nice.lol
As George Carlin said this earth will shake us off like a bad case of fleas... And I can't
remember who said this to me recently but they said that it's not to protect the earth from us
us..being careful and all...It will recover once we are gone for sure....Not drilling and all the rest like global warming precautions.
It's to protect US so that we can sustain here.
If we keep up we will kill ourselves.
THAT makes sense to me...So the 'serves who
say it's all an inconvenient truth...Well it may be to the be end and end all of this earth as a planet.....But not to us as a life species.


Jmsvnho and you have the floor kind sir.


KK,

Am I glad that I am retired and don't have to drive 30 miles a day just to get to and from my former workplace. If Obama loses the election it's not so much his foreign policy but his opposition to offshore drilling. As gas prices hover over the $4 mark more and more Americans favor offshore drilling, even that bastion of liberalism, California, has seen the majority of its population favor offshore drilling in recent polls. It is all good and nice to be conscious of saving the planet, but these same people have to get to work in the morning, get the kids to school etc.

Offshore drilling is inevitable no matter which person wins in November. Pressure from the American people will win out in the end. Back in the 1970's 60% of our oil was gotten domestically. Today it is 25%. So where do we make up for the shortfall? From foreign sources, some of those sources being quite unsavory like Nigeria, or from Hugo Chavez who would rather sell it to Red China. Speaking of Red China, it is on a list of potential countries that would be allowed to drill off the shores of Cuba and Brazil. If that happens they could be possibly taking from our supply of oil in the gulf if we don't get there first.

All this BS that Democratic leaders like Pelosi spew about us contaminating the environment by offshore drilling - Does she actually believe that countries like Russia will be worrying about the polar bears and other Arctic fauna? The Dems refuse to allow drilling in ANWR (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge) or offshore on our continental shelf. But they don't mind buying oil from OPEC. American technology has advanced to the point where we would leave a very small footprint because of directional drilling. We no longer have to sink wells all over the place in hopes of hitting oil. We can now drill horizontally in any direction.

Biofuels: Not so popular anymore - ethanol has been found to cut your gas mileage and in some cases clogs up your engine. In converting corn to fuel, there is a food shortage in feeding livestock along with escalating food prices.

The sum total of Pelosi's no drilling by us/save the planet is just plain dumb. So we don't drill and guys like NY Senator Chuck Schumer are demanding that Saudi Arabia increase oil production by a million barrels a day. Whether the oil comes from Saudi Arabia or from our offshore drilling, the amount of oil drawn from our planet remains the same. I rather the oil we use is our own oil. Why do the democrats persist in maintaining the Saudi's luxurious lifestyle?
shyjanne
QUOTE (johnw @ August 1, 2008 - 03:20 PM) *
KK,

Am I glad that I am retired and don't have to drive 30 miles a day just to get to and from my former workplace. If Obama loses the election it's not so much his foreign policy but his opposition to offshore drilling. As gas prices hover over the $4 mark more and more Americans favor offshore drilling, even that bastion of liberalism, California, has seen the majority of its population favor offshore drilling in recent polls. It is all good and nice to be conscious of saving the planet, but these same people have to get to work in the morning, get the kids to school etc.

Offshore drilling is inevitable no matter which person wins in November. Pressure from the American people will win out in the end. Back in the 1970's 60% of our oil was gotten domestically. Today it is 25%. So where do we make up for the shortfall? From foreign sources, some of those sources being quite unsavory like Nigeria, or from Hugo Chavez who would rather sell it to Red China. Speaking of Red China, it is on a list of potential countries that would be allowed to drill off the shores of Cuba and Brazil. If that happens they could be possibly taking from our supply of oil in the gulf if we don't get there first.

All this BS that Democratic leaders like Pelosi spew about us contaminating the environment by offshore drilling - Does she actually believe that countries like Russia will be worrying about the polar bears and other Arctic fauna? The Dems refuse to allow drilling in ANWR (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge) or offshore on our continental shelf. But they don't mind buying oil from OPEC. American technology has advanced to the point where we would leave a very small footprint because of directional drilling. We no longer have to sink wells all over the place in hopes of hitting oil. We can now drill horizontally in any direction.

Biofuels: Not so popular anymore - ethanol has been found to cut your gas mileage and in some cases clogs up your engine. In converting corn to fuel, there is a food shortage in feeding livestock along with escalating food prices.

The sum total of Pelosi's no drilling by us/save the planet is just plain dumb. So we don't drill and guys like NY Senator Chuck Schumer are demanding that Saudi Arabia increase oil production by a million barrels a day. Whether the oil comes from Saudi Arabia or from our offshore drilling, the amount of oil drawn from our planet remains the same. I rather the oil we use is our own oil. Why do the democrats persist in maintaining the Saudi's luxurious lifestyle?

Well said John. but I think we might be in a minority here. I think another option would be to develop/encourage more mass transit.

Big city people just don't understand that most of us do not have the opportunity to ride the bus or the "L" or subways. cause they're non exisitant. And I don't know about elsewhere, but the main bus stop in Cincy is in a high crime area so I would be too worried about my safety if I lived there.
johnw
QUOTE (shyjanne @ August 1, 2008 - 01:31 PM) *
When I was recently out west, the number of windmills has increased greatly, especially in Kansas and Wyoming. My SIL in CO said the local gov't won't allow personal systems to be installed because of local ordinances. I personally think they are magical to watch.


Shy, I live in New York state - not as many wide open spaces and a lot more populated.
shyjanne
QUOTE (johnw @ August 1, 2008 - 03:36 PM) *
Shy, I live in New York state - not as many wide open spaces and a lot more populated.

Me Ohio, not too many open spaces here either. lots and lots of corn and soy beans. I was listening to T. Boone the other day and he said that if windmills were used in this belt (from Texas to Montana) we could harness enough energy to supply all those states leaving oil etc readily available for the other states that couldn't use the wind.
johnw
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ July 31, 2008 - 06:39 PM) *
I SO agree..Here's some quotes by A.S. Neill one of my heroes.He founded Summerhill and the philospher Krishnamurti which seemed apropos.

My g/f teacher went to a symposium with Maya Angelou not too long ago another hero and one of the speakers there taught them some program based on actions and consequences.
Basically it was...if you don't bring a pencil to class do NOT ever ask me for one
You will find your own way to get one.
BUT never ask me.

How many peeps do I know who do the kids homework for them?
Well I say no homework anyway......but.
What you couldn't teach them well enough in 6 hours???
(NOT you 2p...in general)
And that goes for teachers too.You should not have to bring all that home..no fair.

Little peeps don't need all that stress and either do the parents.If any make it
minimal..My sis spends HOURS every night
doon' homework with three boys.

JMVSNHO!!!!

I just called my brother and he was in the car on his way to see *THE BOSS* at the Meadlowlands.I screamed. tongue.gif I'm sooooo jealous!!!!

If you have never seen Bruce in concert..LAWD you godda'. It's a life experience in 4 or 5 hours.The man is an animal on stage. I lost
10 lbs with him. tongue.gif




A parent who really desires to understand his child does not look at him through the screen of an ideal. It is only when one feels no love for the child that one imposes upon him an ideal, for then one's ambitions are trying to fulfil themselves in him, wanting him to become this or that. If one loves, not the ideal, but the child, then there is a possibility of helping him to understand himself as he is.
Krishnamurti


"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
Krishnamurti


A. S. Neill


No one is wise enough or good enough to mould the character of any child. What is wrong with our sick, neurotic world is that we have been moulded, and an adult generation that has seen two great wars and seems about to launch a third should not be trusted to mould the character of a rat."



The difficult child is the child who is unhappy. He is at war with himself; and in consequence, he is at war with the world




Free children are not easily influenced; the absence of fear accounts for this phenomenon. Indeed, the absence of fear is the finest thing that can happen to a child


  • Love and hate are not opposites. The opposite of love is indifference.


KK,

I guess the wife and I were blessed to have kids that needed no help with their homework. My son was very conscientious about doing his homework well in advance. My daughter not so much - she'd be up 4 o'clock in the morning typing up the homework that was due the same day.
johnw
QUOTE (shyjanne @ August 1, 2008 - 02:42 PM) *
Me Ohio, not too many open spaces here either. lots and lots of corn and soy beans. I was listening to T. Boone the other day and he said that if windmills were used in this belt (from Texas to Montana) we could harness enough energy to supply all those states leaving oil etc readily available for the other states that couldn't use the wind.


Those windmills are enormous. There would have to be lights installed on them so them lowflying aircraft don't hit them at night.
Who?
QUOTE (johnw @ August 1, 2008 - 01:14 PM) *
Peg,

The polar bear population is not exactly in immediate danger of becoming extinct. The polar bear population has actually doubled, increasing from 12,000 in 1960 to 20,000 to 25,000 today.
Damn Liberals! This must piss my Mister Bush off! Well I guess we have our work cut out for us. I'm surprised to learn that the stupid tree hugger's past efforts had been working! You say the populations were increasing! Not so fast you rascally varmints! LOL
Liberals are using the excuse of global warming as the reason for polar bears becoming extinct. Polar bears have been around for at least 100,000 years ever since they evolved (fur turned white) from the brown bear or grizzley bear. Over this period there have been 4 or 5 periods of global warming and cooldowns. The polar bear survived all of these climate changes.
Oh good so they survived before people got here-- they should survive a little pollution, noise and gun fire!
I understand that the bulk of the polar bear population in North America is on the Canadian shore, not the Alaskan, so if the Canadians are protecting the bears they are in little danger of becoming extinct.
That's true because we all know a polar bear cannot cross into American waters without a passport right! Good Point!
As mentioned before, these animals are second cousins to the grizzley bear. The cubs may look soft and cuddly but I wouldn't want to get too close to an adult.
Nasty critters- who needs an animal that interferes with the human way of life! If they all die- they will just take the rest of that nasty ecosystem they are a part of with them and then--- fewer animals to worry about protecting! WOO HOO! The earth will be all ours! Thank you Mister Bush!
By the way, the arctic seals are on the same potential "endangered species" list as the polar bear. Since seals are the polar bears main source of food, I would think that the seal population would be ectatic if a few more polar bears weren't around.
Oh good- so if we drill for oil- we can kill the seals too and starve the polar bears! I am writing Mister Bush now to let him know what great thinkers his constituents are!
Many of the inuit eskimos who hunt the seal and polar bear (not for sport) resent the people who live in the lower 48 states and big cities that are intruding on their way of life.
Yeah- I'm kind of upset that they get special permission from our government to hunt traditional game stock! If they can shoot a whale in the head? Or harpoon or club a seal---why can't everyone?
Energy: It's not just oil and nuclear energy that Bush wants to increase but all available sources of energy - anything that will make us less dependent of foreign sources of oil controlled by people who hate us...Hugo Chavez and Citgo for instance. I forgot to mention shale oil in the Rocky Mts. Worse comes to worse, we have the largest supply of coal in the world.
Yeah unlike the Bush Family's friends- the Saudis---- they love us!
I don't know too much about wind power except that it should be built far, far away from populated areas. I seem to remember that there was a "not in my backyard" reaction to it - those gigantic windmills were considered to be an eyesore.
I know! That really cheeses me off too! Those stupid liberals -don't they know the skyline looks better with more oil derricks! Can't they see the beauty that is inherent in smog? I would much rather see animals covered in tar and oil than look at a stupid windmill any day!
Who?
QUOTE (Fordmanrod @ August 1, 2008 - 08:59 AM) *
You might want to check your facts... a lot of studies are showing that polar bear populations are actually increasing.....and again all of your statements about alternative energy sources are great except that we are at least 10 years out from being able to implement them ; had Clinton ok'd the drilling during his administration we would not be where we are now ...being held hostage by countries that would like nothing better than to see the US torn apart.
Also your rant is a PERFECT example of my previous post on how liberals carry on dialogue....

You are sooo right! But I don't need facts and truth! I just follow the example of my axhalted leader - Mister Bush! He never lets the truth get in the way- and neither do I!
Stay the course people- stay the course! Do not look to your left or to your right- keep your head down and shuffle forward! After all- It's the RIGHT thing to do!

And you are also right about being ten years out from any alternative fuel sources- so why even bother! We have enough oil for at least the next 50 years!
Who cares about after that! I don't -cuz I won't be here!!!! LOL
And neither will My dear sweet Mister Bush- we will be bathed in the glory of God! And it's a good thing that nasty Clinton didn't research alternative fuels (or Mister Bush 8 years ago - because then we would be just two years out and the Bush family would not have made all of those wonderful oil profits)!!!!

Then where would poor Mister Bush be- he might actually have to get a job and head a huge corporation and go back to trying to survive on a few million dollars instead of billions!

That is not God's Plan for our Mister Bush!

All bow down to our Supreme Overlord!

Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!
(or just vote for John McCain- same thing really)!
notevayas
QUOTE (Snagglepuss @ August 1, 2008 - 02:32 PM) *
I agree with your statement...to a point.

It's not the words themselves that are inherently bad.... it's the hatred behind them. (And I'm sure you know that, but I just wanted to relate a personal story).

One week ago, I was watching a summer blockbuster at my local multiplex and at the big finale at the end, the villain is struck down with a lethal blow. And the hero grabs him to keep him from falling (this is where the villain says his "last rights").
So the hero is holding the villain in what is meant to be a compassionate scene, and a guy in the audience (sitting 3 seats from me) yells out...
"what! Are you gonna kiss the FAGG*T!!!!" And the audience erupts in laughter!

Now I don't care what your personal beliefs are. But when I go to the movies I don't want to feel like there are people sitting around me who would laugh as I lay dying just because I am gay.
And that is exactly the message I got.


So although words cannot really hurt us at all.... the hatred and bigotry that those words represent can.
I have been the recipient (I don't like the word victim) of both verbal and physical assaults and I have lost employment and housing opportunities due to my "otherness".

So although I truly wished we lived in a world of "live and let live" and that we did not need laws on the books to protect the most vulnerable in our society... The sad fact of the matter is, that as long as there is hatred and discrimination, then we do.... (and that includes Religious Freedom too and all of the legal protections that come with it).


So true. I've read back into the thread and I especially appreciate Brillke's post, and this one. In my mind I know that not all religious conservatives would see us dead, or relegated to second class citizens, or restricted to art/entertainment as opposed to teaching/childcare and politics and military.

But my life lessons young have made me wary but not bitter thanks to my guy who literally and figuratively saved my life. It's kind of funny, but I feel "born again" too. Every day is a gift. The life God gave me, I would have lost, and my guy gave it back to me. So I worship both in my way. wink.gif

I am going to vote for Barack Obama and he is no dove or knee-jerk liberal. I will be walking to the local elementary school polling place with a man who will cheerfully cancel out my vote with his own, as is our tradition. Until then, I am trying not to lose any net friends over my politics. Bottom line is that I don't trust Bush jr. or even respect him the way I did his father. I respect McCain but not his backers and cronies. Obama is not perfect, but he will win and his power will be in what he inspires in everyday people. Ask not what your country can do for you.. smile.gif
notevayas
QUOTE (shyjanne @ August 1, 2008 - 02:07 PM) *
Ditto! off with their head! Oh me not to mellow.


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Kristlkrost
QUOTE (notevayas @ August 1, 2008 - 05:33 PM) *
Madame Defarge? ph34r.gif



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When I youtubed that for the movie...as
I LOVE the book and movie..D*ckens is one of my all time favorite authors..It reminded me of this..Did anyone ever see this???
I forgot all about this movie and it's one on a very short list that actually ever scared me.. For years it haunted me and I never could find anyone who ever saw it...OHMG ..Norman Bates ain't got nuthin' on him..Lionel Barrymore is one of the greatest actors of all time
and the 30s is my favorite time period for the black and whites...Such a richness and strangeness to the film quality and I just love the whole art deco feel.
Anywhoooo........ Creepy city!




Creepy!!!!






Creepier
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (Snagglepuss @ August 1, 2008 - 02:32 PM) *
I agree with your statement...to a point.

It's not the words themselves that are inherently bad.... it's the hatred behind them. (And I'm sure you know that, but I just wanted to relate a personal story).

One week ago, I was watching a summer blockbuster at my local multiplex and at the big finale at the end, the villain is struck down with a lethal blow. And the hero grabs him to keep him from falling (this is where the villain says his "last rights").
So the hero is holding the villain in what is meant to be a compassionate scene, and a guy in the audience (sitting 3 seats from me) yells out...
"what! Are you gonna kiss the FAGG*T!!!!" And the audience erupts in laughter!

Now I don't care what your personal beliefs are. But when I go to the movies I don't want to feel like there are people sitting around me who would laugh as I lay dying just because I am gay.
And that is exactly the message I got.


So although words cannot really hurt us at all.... the hatred and bigotry that those words represent can.
I have been the recipient (I don't like the word victim) of both verbal and physical assaults and I have lost employment and housing opportunities due to my "otherness".

So although I truly wished we lived in a world of "live and let live" and that we did not need laws on the books to protect the most vulnerable in our society... The sad fact of the matter is, that as long as there is hatred and discrimination, then we do.... (and that includes Religious Freedom too and all of the legal protections that come with it).



I don't even know how to say I'm sorry for this.
I wish I could for the [expletive deleted] world and the idjuts. I don't get it..I just do NOT!
What is wrong with people... What makes them hate anyone for who they love????

I'm drunk lol and I wanna' kick some homophobe arse!
I better not have that second beer.
Tasty tunes on the radio and beer....mmmm tongue.gif
Fordmanrod
QUOTE (shyjanne @ August 1, 2008 - 01:07 PM) *
Ditto! off with their head! Oh me not to mellow.


Boy... get a new toy and you just can't do without it anymore!!!!
brillke
QUOTE (Snagglepuss @ August 1, 2008 - 01:32 PM) *
I agree with your statement...to a point.

It's not the words themselves that are inherently bad.... it's the hatred behind them. (And I'm sure you know that, but I just wanted to relate a personal story).

One week ago, I was watching a summer blockbuster at my local multiplex and at the big finale at the end, the villain is struck down with a lethal blow. And the hero grabs him to keep him from falling (this is where the villain says his "last rights").
So the hero is holding the villain in what is meant to be a compassionate scene, and a guy in the audience (sitting 3 seats from me) yells out...
"what! Are you gonna kiss the FAGG*T!!!!" And the audience erupts in laughter!

Now I don't care what your personal beliefs are. But when I go to the movies I don't want to feel like there are people sitting around me who would laugh as I lay dying just because I am gay.
And that is exactly the message I got.


So although words cannot really hurt us at all.... the hatred and bigotry that those words represent can.
I have been the recipient (I don't like the word victim) of both verbal and physical assaults and I have lost employment and housing opportunities due to my "otherness".

So although I truly wished we lived in a world of "live and let live" and that we did not need laws on the books to protect the most vulnerable in our society... The sad fact of the matter is, that as long as there is hatred and discrimination, then we do.... (and that includes Religious Freedom too and all of the legal protections that come with it).





We recently had family visiting from KY,my home state,and it amazes me how some people still live in the dark ages.

My aunt asked about my blog and I was telling her all about it like a proud parent. She was like "Bravo,whats that channel?" Her son,my cousin,snarls "Its that gay channel." She was like " Ew,you watch that?" I replied yes,in fact,its turned me gay. Her eyes got as big as saucers and she just stared at me for like 5 minutes,I swear. You could hear the crickets it was so quiet. Finally,I was like Im kidding. The look of relief on her face should have been funny but it p!ssed me right the [expletive deleted] off.

Later,we started talking Obama/McCain and she couldnt believe we supported Obama. She was like "But hes black!" My mom who was born in the "Old South" was like "So,not like the white guys have done any good." Im sure some people could find fault with her statement but I saw it as progress and was very proud of her.

I did give my aunt and cousin a bit of leeway cause theyve never even touched a computer,never had a credit card,never had a cell phone,they watch wrestling faithfully every week(thats cool if you like wrestling but they think its real!)Red Lobster is too fancy for them and Wal Mark(yes,thats how they say it)is their favorite place in the whole world.

I get so mad anytime I see prejudice of any kind. It gets my blood boiling. I hate that you were made to feel that way when you were at the movies.


Damn,Im all chatty Cathy today,aint I? Gonna go see Dark Knight later,so seeya!



Fordmanrod
QUOTE (shyjanne @ August 1, 2008 - 01:18 PM) *
Have you listened to T. Boone Pickens? He's pretty sure of what's going on. Rather have him than Obama, at least he has a plan.


I have heard a little about his "plan"... and I stand by my post... he wants to wind farm to produce electricity and it will take years to build the infrastucture to get it done... I'm not saying it can't be done.. it can and probably will be in some ways and some places but it won't help us NOW.

DRILL HERE .... DRILL NOW ... tell OPEC TO GO F**k ITSELF!!!!!

I cannot make it plainer.
johnw
QUOTE (notevayas @ August 1, 2008 - 04:22 PM) *
So true. I've read back into the thread and I especially appreciate Brillke's post, and this one. In my mind I know that not all religious conservatives would see us dead, or relegated to second class citizens, or restricted to art/entertainment as opposed to teaching/childcare and politics and military.

But my life lessons young have made me wary but not bitter thanks to my guy who literally and figuratively saved my life. It's kind of funny, but I feel "born again" too. Every day is a gift. The life God gave me, I would have lost, and my guy gave it back to me. So I worship both in my way. wink.gif

I am going to vote for Barack Obama and he is no dove or knee-jerk liberal. I will be walking to the local elementary school polling place with a man who will cheerfully cancel out my vote with his own, as is our tradition. Until then, I am trying not to lose any net friends over my politics. Bottom line is that I don't trust Bush jr. or even respect him the way I did his father. I respect McCain but not his backers and cronies. Obama is not perfect, but he will win and his power will be in what he inspires in everyday people. Ask not what your country can do for you.. smile.gif


Obama would like you to think he is the second coming of JFK but he is no JFK. What makes you think that you can trust Obama's backers. Right now Obama's biggest contributor is Moveon.Org run by billionaire George Soros. Soros is such a hypocrite. All this bashing of Bush being in bed with big oil when Soros is probably the biggest investor of Halliburton stock. Michael Moore owns Halliburton stock privately while he bashes Halliburton publically.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=54532

Obama should be defined by the company he kept before he became a presidential candidate. By now everyone knows about Rev Wright and his anti-american sermons (G--D---America and the federal govt introduced the AIDS virus to the Black people to eradicate them). But Obama after being a member of Wright's church for 20 years, got married by the reverend, had his two girls baptized by the reverend, then says he, Obama, was not aware of the reverend's inflammatory sermons. Either Obama wasn't a very good church member - missed a lot of sermons, is deaf in both ears, or he is not being very truthful. There were other people he denies associating with, Reverend Pfleger (a guest preacher at Obama's church in the mold of Wright), Louis Farrakhan, Wm Ayrers, the 1960's militant who specialized in bombing Federal bldgs and in a 1990 interview, his wife said "we didn't bomb enough buildings." The one person he can't deny knowing is Tony Rezko, the guy who sold Obama his home and helped him get started in politics.


http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/757...chdog24.article
TaterTot
QUOTE (notevayas @ August 1, 2008 - 04:22 PM) *
So true. I've read back into the thread and I especially appreciate Brillke's post, and this one. In my mind I know that not all religious conservatives would see us dead, or relegated to second class citizens, or restricted to art/entertainment as opposed to teaching/childcare and politics and military.

But my life lessons young have made me wary but not bitter thanks to my guy who literally and figuratively saved my life. It's kind of funny, but I feel "born again" too. Every day is a gift. The life God gave me, I would have lost, and my guy gave it back to me. So I worship both in my way. wink.gif

I am going to vote for Barack Obama and he is no dove or knee-jerk liberal. I will be walking to the local elementary school polling place with a man who will cheerfully cancel out my vote with his own, as is our tradition. Until then, I am trying not to lose any net friends over my politics. Bottom line is that I don't trust Bush jr. or even respect him the way I did his father. I respect McCain but not his backers and cronies. Obama is not perfect, but he will win and his power will be in what he inspires in everyday people. Ask not what your country can do for you.. smile.gif


smile.gif Note...you are right, not all conservatives would see you dead or as second class citizens. I certainly would not. I would venture to say that very few would. I do not care about anyones sex lives....other than my husband's and my own, and never will, because if I outlive my husband I will not remarry. I wish no one dead (well maybe my ex-son in law...nah,not even him).

As for your voting for O'bama...that is your decision to make.
I really hope that he is all that his supporters think he is. Whatever the case ...I know that if he is elected I am going to try my best to support him. It is bad for our Country when the people do not support their President. But...even if I can't sing his praises....I will try not to bash him the way people have bashed Bush.
Fordmanrod
QUOTE (notevayas @ August 1, 2008 - 04:22 PM) *
So true. I've read back into the thread and I especially appreciate Brillke's post, and this one. In my mind I know that not all religious conservatives would see us dead, or relegated to second class citizens, or restricted to art/entertainment as opposed to teaching/childcare and politics and military.

But my life lessons young have made me wary but not bitter thanks to my guy who literally and figuratively saved my life. It's kind of funny, but I feel "born again" too. Every day is a gift. The life God gave me, I would have lost, and my guy gave it back to me. So I worship both in my way. wink.gif

I am going to vote for Barack Obama and he is no dove or knee-jerk liberal. I will be walking to the local elementary school polling place with a man who will cheerfully cancel out my vote with his own, as is our tradition. Until then, I am trying not to lose any net friends over my politics. Bottom line is that I don't trust Bush jr. or even respect him the way I did his father. I respect McCain but not his backers and cronies. Obama is not perfect, but he will win and his power will be in what he inspires in everyday people. Ask not what your country can do for you.. smile.gif


Note....not all religious conservatives feel like that.... I for one do not. I may not agree with your lifestyle...but it is your lifestyle to live and I am willing to accept that. Politically, you may be correct...if a black ,liberal person is to win the white house then Obama seems to have the perfect alignment of the planets to achieve that. I suspect though, that as the race moves through it's paces you are going to find it to be much closer than you think... especially as the conservative democrats find they cannot stomach how liberal Obama really is.
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