Only a @#$@#@ FOOL would believe that 9/11 was caused by gays....or the government.
Jimmy Swaggart said THAT?? What is the world coming to when preachers spew such hatred?

No they were wrong ....Only the Apocalypse will be caused by gays....Sheeesh get your disasters right guys.Gay societies have existed for thousands of years..It's all Greek to me.
This is a good read.



Lemon chicken anyone????



Paul Halsall:
Homosexual Eros in Early Greece (1986)

This paper was written as a course essay in 1986. It does not purport to be anything other than an (early) graduate student paper.

© Paul Halsall

Love, and sex, between men is not a rare thing. Anthropologically a majority of societies [1] accept what we now call homosexuality, especially where one partner plays a totally feminine role. What is special about Greek homosexuality is its apparent prevalence, the appreciation of aspects of masculinity in the other partner and the almost total damnatio memoriae suffered by the phenomenon until recent decades. Modern academic orthodoxy on same sex relationships in early Greece is now based on the work of K J Dover. Only published in 1978 Greek Homosexuality has become standard rapidly displacing attitudes which either ignored the phenomenon or glorified it as an example of early gay liberation. It has been supplemented in depth and scope by the exhaustive inquiries of Felix Buffiere in his Eros Adolescent,

Good luck on your trip back to Yankee territory.

Heya girl
It looks like we leave later on today to give me a buffer...Even if we just get out of this GAWD forsaken state.

Hey how did it go?????

Did they reach the line???

Trip was good for the boys but wore ole mama out. Meramec Caverns (big yawn for me), Six Flags, Rafting on the Huzzah River, Arch. However, I did finally try Chilean Sea Bass at a seafood restaurant in St Louis. YUMMMMMMY.
No, they did not reach the line. We take them to Six Flags and they only rode the rides they could ride at basically any county fair. Did take them on the Tony Hawk ride. Not doing that again. One of them didn't take it very well.

I like the caverns 'cause they are so cool in the summer.

Sounds really great and for the one who didn't take it so well I totally understand.lol
I'm in a deep pile of stuff Every time
I turn around something else..Aghhhhhh
Well I shall say good bye now.lol
For the 10 th time because even if we leave at 6 tonight we are
leaving tonight. I'm hoping for 2 ish.
BUT geeeeeeezuz there is stuff.
BUT in some ways the easiest move ..
no heavy furniture to lug.

Have a good un and yeah wish me safe and call me
I'm sooooooo excited!

In 1999 I was operated on for carpal tunnel syndrome. The operation was similar to the operation I had a few years earlier for tendinitis on my other wrist where the surgeon slit the sheath that houses the tendon. Since the operation I have been wearing a Robby'sPlus wrist support and have had no pain in my bowling wrist. I can bowl without the support but have gotten so used to the support that I continue to wear it when bowling.

It's always something, especially as you get older (I'm on medicare). Right now it is my knees, both of them. The one I slide on (the left one) is pretty worn out on the inside half (bone spurs). The right one is the one I injured when I decided to resurrect my son's 12-speed bicycle and fell when I couldn't get my feet out of the toe clips when I came to a stop. I have fluid under my kneecap plus I injured the tendons behind the knee. I received a steroid shot which helped immensely. Well, it'll be somthing to talk about when the new season starts in my senior league. That's all we talk about - our aches and pains and our grandkids although I don't have any. I am looking forward to my other league which is a bit more competitive. In preparation (and anticipation) I have purchased two new balls and have a plastic spare ball on order. The purchase is called keeping up with the Joneses. New balls are constantly coming out on the market. I don't buy as many as I used to before I retired but I long for a return to yesterday when I carried only one ball. Today I carry 3 balls in one bag and have a couple more stowed in my locker. It's a bit like golf where you have a club for every situation. In today's bowling game you need to have a ball for every lane condition to be competitive.

Back in the 1990's my son and I took two "Wild Cave Tours" in Mammoth Cave, Kentucky. These are 5 hour tours where you wear a helmet with headlamp, kneepads, elbow pads and gloves. These tours take you off the beaten path and you spend half of your time on your hands and knees and stomach. There is a 40 inch chest limit because of the tight squeezes the tour includes.

The first tour I did get trapped or caught in a tight passage. We had to negotiate this horizontal crevice that was about a foot high at the opening and narrower in spots. About halfway through the passage it narrowed to the extent that I had to turn my head sideways. And then I got stuck! I was hung up on a knob protruding from the crevice floor. I lay there for about two minutes and finally got loose when I tried exhaling all the air I could from my lungs.

The second tour was less exciting than the first one as now I considered myself a veteran because of the first tour. There was one bad moment when we had to climb down into this canyon. As mentioned before the only light we had was from our headlamps. The trick to getting down into this "canyon" (it was about 20 feet deep) was using the toeholds or rock protrusions that the guide showed us. When it was my turn I had a problem. I am 5'2" and I was having trouble finding that first toehold. Taller people had no trouble. It was a stretch (in the dark) but by hanging onto the canyon lip by my fingertips I was able to get my foot on that toehold.

If I ever go back to Mammoth Cave it won't be for a Wild Cave Tour. I am too arthritic and my son is way beyond the 40 inch chest limit.

Mammoth Cave is the longest surveyed cave in the world stretching 365 miles as of the last count 10 years ago.

AI once said that it would be a sign of the apocalypse when Bravo gave us an off topic thread, and now we have several. Thanks for helping keep this thread alive, and will be looking for your future posts of your adventures on the road. Let your son drive maybe?

My favorite road song.. to sing

SWEET SURRENDER by JOHN DENVER

Lost and alone on some forgotten highway
Traveled by many, remembered by few

Lookin' for something that I can believe in
Lookin' for something that I'd like to do with my life


There's nothin' behind me and nothin' that ties me to
Something that might have been true yesterday

Tomorrow is open and right now it seems to be more than enough
To just be here today, and I don't know

What the future is holdin' in store
I don't know where I'm goin' I'm not sure where I've been

There's a spirit that guides me, a light that shines for me
My life is worth the livin', I don't need to see the end

Sweet, sweet surrender, live, live without care
Like a fish in the water, like a bird in the air....

(repeat until you drive your fellow travellers crazy!)

Note your post makes me look fat.lol
Fix that post brutha' boy!!!!
Yes I am demanding it...OK good road songs
hmmmm

I'll get back to ya' on that one.
And btw my son is following me and he just now told me NO STOPPING I was like oh yes we are.
But we do have Duke so we can't for that long....I kept this thread alive for very selfish reasons really...Not all but some and NOT for reasons you would think.
Ahh she is a mysterious babe.lol

Ok an homage to my older brother the world traveler extaordinare' and the trips to New Hampshire where we sang this one over and over and he didn't kill me for his poor ears
a hurtin'.....I can sing damnit.
The second is my favorite JD song
swooooon.

For the Mister Darcy's everywhere 'cause
Mister Darcy....he is the one.



I just copy and paste Shy..I don't have time to fix it so shhhhh.







Almost heaven, west virginia
Blue ridge mountains, shenandoah river
Life is old there, older than the trees
Younger than the mountains, blowing like a breeze

Country roads, take me home
To the place, I be-long
West virginia, mountain momma
Take me home, country roads

All my memories, gather round her
Miners lady, stranger to blue water
Dark and dusty, painted on the sky
Misty taste of moonshine, teardrop in my eye

Country roads, take me home
To the place, I be-long
West virginia, mountain momma
Take me home, country roads

I hear her voice, in the mornin hours she calls to me
The radio reminds me of my home far a-way
And drivin down the road I get a feeling
That I should have been home yesterday, yesterday

Country roads, take me home
To the place, I be-long
West virginia, mountain momma
Take me home, country roads






You fill up my senses
Like a night in the forest
Like the mountains in springtime
Like a walk in the rain
Like a storm in the desert
Like a sleepy blue ocean
You fill up my senses
Come fill me again

Come let me love you
Let me give my life to you
Let me drown in your laughter
Let me die in your arms
Let me lay down beside you
Let me always be with you
Come let me love you
Come love me again

Let me give my life to you
Come let me love you
Come love me again

You fill up my senses
Like a night in the forest
Like the mountains in springtime
Like a walk in the rain
Like a storm in the desert
Like a sleepy blue ocean
You fill up my senses
Come fill me again

Words and music by john denver

I would be happy too, but I don't know which part you would have me delete. It looks fine on my monitor as the photo resized. So clarify.

And I think you kept this thread alive to flirt with John! And for the other foodies who won't move to the Project Runway thread and off topic thread.

Drive safe. Don't use cruise control too much. Stop for coffee!

lol I don't flirt with married men..Puuuuleese!
Not even close darlin'.

But John is a gentleman and a scholar.
Cheers John... good convo.
He is the very first person to ever talk to me
on the TC boards....Lawd he didn't know what he was getting into.lol

Oh Go to edit and remove that pic.lol It's FAT!!!!!

Beautiful old songs...who knows what other great songs he would have sung if he had lived?

Oh and not to beat that dead horse that I'm gonna' marry I just realized what
I said the other day about hetro couples.
That we are all here to procreate as far as a
life form on earth...Well scientists will tell you that is true.. it is our sole purpose on earth
It is an innate undeniable urge which is why moist (OHMG what a typo.lol MOST men)

men cheat...I do believe that.

BUT homosexuality is natural too..And it is not aberrant or deviant..It's just another as the quote says variation.

AI and I have that discussion too about the way we are headed..I say if we weren't supposed to keep peeps alive with modern technology
and such...we wouldn't have the capacity
to do it.

Some say we shouldn't tamper with Mother Nature...Well Mother Nature is a b*tch
She needs some tampering with


They have islolated the gene that makes you gay.
Some say someday they will be able to fix that gene.......But why???
Love is love and love making is love making and who cares who puts what where.
So no..no choice..You are just as normal and boring as the rest of us...sorry



Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation."

Oh darlin' you give the best typo....moist men????

Edith had lots of moist men!

AI

lol

That beat Edith Pilaf.
Here's to moist men and the women they make......................cawwffee for????

Freudian slippers and matching bathrobe don'tchya know

Girl, you need to rock out on the road....

"Radar Love"....just sayin'

(the loooooooong version)

AI

Bad Company?????

I'm listening right now.

OK plans changed as per you.lol
We take naps and drive late at night and
I follow him so I won't be scared.
Makes sense...Thanks travel diva.
I'm zzzzzzhaaauuusted and he ain't done.
Grrrr...Almost we are in the stretch..
.bottom of the 9th and bases loaded and oh
yeah......Gooooooo Yanks!
Nananana we aren't dead yet.







Johnny was a schoolboy when he heard his first Beatle song,
'Love me do,' I think it was. From there it didn't take him long.
Got himself a guitar, used to play every night,
Now he's in a rock 'n' roll outfit,

And everything's all right, don't you know?

Johnny told his mama, hey, 'Mama, I'm goin' away. I'm gonna hit the big
time, gonna be a big star someday', Yeah.
Mama came to the door with a teardrop in her eye.
Johnny said, 'Don't cry, mama, smile and wave good-bye'.

Don't you know, yeah yeah, Don't you know that you are a shooting star,
Don't you know, don't you know. Don't you know that you are
a shooting star, And all the world will love you just as long,
As long as you are.

Johnny made a record, Went straight up to number one,
Suddenly everyone loved to hear him sing the song.
Watching the world go by, surprising it goes so fast.
Johnny looked around him and said, 'Well, I made the big time at last'.

Don't you know, don't you know, Don't you know that you are
a shooting star,
Don't you know, oh, yeah, Don't you know that you are
a shooting star, yeah,
And all the world will love you just as long,
As long as you are, a shooting star.

Don't you know that you are a shooting star, Don't you know, yeah,
Don't you know that you are a shooting star, now,
And all the world will love you just as long, As long you are you.

Johnny died one night, died in his bed, Bottle of whiskey,
sleeping tablets by his head. Johnny's life passed him by like a
warm summer day, If you listen to the wind you can still hear him play

Oh oh oh, Don't you know that you are a shooting star,
Don't you know, yeah, don't you know', Don't you know that
you are a shooting star,
Don't you know, yeah,
Don't you know that you are a shooting star,
Don't you, don't you,
don't you, don't you,
Don't you know, don't you
know, oh, yeah, you are,
Yeah, a shooting star, yeah, oh
oh oh oh oh......
Don't you, don't you know
that you are a shooting star,
Don't you don't you know......

OHMG your pix are soooooooo fat!!!!
Size matters.

Take that Note...Chuc wrote and said they were playing *our" song at that moment at work.
Dig It!!!

*You can dance. you can jive having the time of your life.... Owwww see that girl watch that scene...DIG IT the Dancing Queen* woooooooooow

YES I'm listening and singing as I just found
out...I can sing!!!!

LOL

Bad Company? No, silly, it's Golden Earring!

Good thing I told you to drive at night or you might fry yore little brains in the heat, goofball

AI

I know that......lol..I was suggesting another.
You said rock out...Radio head????
Ya think????Would they be considered rocking out or rythmin' in???
Either way they and Elton and Jeff and Elvis go with me and many more...

To the bridge!!!!



I can sing....Pappa can you hear me
I can sing.

I just ordered Chinese food mmmmmm
Almond duck and special soup. I'm staaaarving.
And a bad vegetarian.



All I Need lyrics

I'm the next act
Waiting in the wings

I'm an animal
Trapped in your hot car

I am all the days
That you choose to ignore

You are all I need
You are all I need
I'm in the middle of your picture
Lying in the reeds

I'm a moth
Who just wants to share your light

I'm just an insect
Trying to get out of the night

I only stick with you
Because there are no others

You are all I need
You're all I need
I'm in the middle your picture
Lying in the reeds

It's all wrong
It's all right
It's all wrong

Cool the first pix of the new NYawker TCers.
I'm gonna be a stalkarazzi too




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Radiohead is good, but if we're talking 70s(Bad Company etc), I gotta go with what teleburst played on his radio show last Friday....OMG....Eno & 801 Live....only one of the best albums of all time!

It's at the very top of my top ten list of best albums. I catapulted outta my chair when it came on, and honey, I was a dancin' queen! Thank you, tele!!!!

AI

Happy trails to you, KK.

by Dale Evans Rogers
Happy trails to you, until we meet again.
Happy trails to you, keep smilin' until then.
Who cares about the clouds when we're together?
Just sing a song and bring the sunny weather.
Happy trails to you, 'till we meet again.

Some trails are happy ones,
Others are blue.
It's the way you ride the trail that counts,
Here's a happy one for you.

Happy trails to you, until we meet again.
Happy trails to you, keep smilin' until then.
Who cares about the clouds when we're together?
Just sing a song and bring the sunny weather.

Happy trails to you, 'till we meet again.

He did?????
I don't know cause I was listening to
*Rice.How Not To Burn It*.... on NPR

Nah I was probably still crying after Jeff Buckley..That guys voice is like an angel's and always makes me cry.

OK we are in slow down the mojo mode.
I'm taking a Jazzie nap...I feel like I've been through a war..Yeah I have ...the Justin and mom war.......Then going.lol
I'm the thing that won't leave!!!!

Thanks River....I'll listen to some S&G for ya.

KK,
Not the first person - but as of last week one of the last persons.

I just got back from the dentist - the one who has the same last name as Padma. Have to see about getting a different dental insurance company. This one won't even pay for filling.

I have to admit Kristlkrost, you have more boyfriends than I ever had!
ABBA was great for rollerskating..

Gimmee, Gimmee, Gimmee, (A Man After Midnight) - ABBA

Half past twelve
And I'm watching the late show in my flat all alone
How I hate to spend the evening on my own
Autumn winds
Blowing outside the window as I look around the room
And it makes me so depressed to see the gloom
There's not a soul out there
No one to hear my prayer

Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Won't somebody help me chase the shadows away
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Take me through the darkness to the break of the day

Movie stars
Find the end of the rainbow, with a fortune to win
It's so different from the world I'm living in
Tired of TV
I open the window and I gaze into the night
But there's nothing there to see, no one in sight
There's not a soul out there
No one to hear my prayer

Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Won't somebody help me chase the shadows away
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Take me through the darkness to the break of the day

Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight

There's not a soul out there
No one to hear my prayer

Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Won't somebody help me chase the shadows away
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Take me through the darkness to the break of the day
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Won't somebody help me chase the shadows away
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Take me through the darkness to the break of the day

Ummm ...Shhh..... Chuc is a goil!

Yeah ABBA is good for lots of things.ABBA make me happy..How could Bourdain hate them.
How dare he????
I was once an ABBA snob till
I heard Dancing Queen in Key West..
I was all alone in a boarding house
The Red Rooster great place
really....in my room and it came on it made me really happy.

Here's one I love and yes thank you.
How many times can I say thank you!

Justin is almost done.lol ahhhhhhhhhhh



Thnsk You For The Music



If I tell a joke, you've probably heard it before
But I have a talent, a wonderful thing
'Cause everyone listens when I start to sing
I'm so grateful and proud
All I want is to sing it out loud

So I say
Thank you for the music, the songs I'm singing
Thanks for all the joy they're bringing
Who can live without it, I ask in all honesty
What would life be?
Without a song or a dance what are we?
So I say thank you for the music
For giving it to me

Mother says I was a dancer before I could walk
She says I began to sing long before I could talk
And I've often wondered, how did it all start?
Who found out that nothing can capture a heart
Like a melody can?
Well, whoever it was, I'm a fan

So I say
Thank you for the music, the songs I'm singing
Thanks for all the joy they're bringing
Who can live without it, I ask in all honesty
What would life be?
Without a song or a dance what are we?
So I say thank you for the music
For giving it to me

I've been so lucky, I am the girl with golden hair
I wanna sing it out to everybody
What a joy, what a life, what a chance!

So I say
Thank you for the music, the songs I'm singing
Thanks for all the joy they're bringing
Who can live without it, I ask in all honesty
What would life be?
Without a song or a dance what are we?
So I say thank you for the music
For giving it to me

Abba Thank You For The Music

No John you were the very first to ever talk to me on the TC board...It was about Harold and Gordon Ramsey I remember.

Ouch for the dentist..A filling??
Makes you want to vote for Obamanos doesn't it.lol

Healthcare including dental and vision for all.
Right away.

I say .......get the gas!!!
GAWD that stuff is heavenly.

More Bad News...

1 hour, 44 minutes ago BOSTON - Eleven people, including a U.S. Secret Service informant, have been charged in connection with the hacking of nine major retailers and the theft and sale of more than 41 million credit and debit card numbers, the Justice Department announced Tuesday.

The data breach is believed to be the largest hacking and identity theft case ever prosecuted by the Department of Justice, which said the suspects were charged with conspiracy, computer intrusion, fraud and identity theft.

Three of those charged are U.S. citizens while the others are from places such as Estonia, Ukraine, Belarus and China.

The indictment returned Tuesday by a federal grand jury in Boston alleges that the suspects hacked into the wireless computer networks of retailers including TJX Cos., BJ's Wholesale Club, OfficeMax, Boston Market, Barnes & Noble, Sports Authority, Forever 21 and DSW and set up programs that captured card numbers, passwords and account information.

"They used sophisticated computer hacking techniques that would allow them to breach security systems and install programs that gathered enormous quantities of personal financial data, which they then allegedly either sold to others or used themselves," Attorney General Michael Mukasey said at a news conference. "And in total, they caused widespread losses by banks, retailers, and consumers."

Mukasey called the total dollar amount of the alleged theft "impossible to quantify at this point." U.S. Attorney Michael J. Sullivan said that while most of the victims were in the United States, officials still haven't identified all the people who had a card number stolen.

"I suspect that a lot of people are unaware that their identifying information has been compromised," he said.

Sullivan said the alleged thieves weren't computer geniuses, just opportunists who used a technique called "wardriving," which involved cruising through different areas with a laptop and looking for accessible wireless Internet signals. Once they located a vulnerable network, they installed so-called "sniffer programs" that captured credit and debit card numbers as they moved through a retailer's processing networks.

The information was stored on two servers in Ukraine and Latvia — one with more than 25 million credit and debit card numbers and another with more than 16 million numbers, Sullivan said.

The heist was a black eye for retailers like TJX. The company initially disclosed the data breach in January 2007 but said a few months later that at least 45.7 million cards were exposed to possible fraud in a breach of its computer systems that began in July 2005. Court filings by some banks that sued TJX put the number of cards affected at more than 100 million, based on estimates by officials with Visa and MasterCard, who were deposed in the suit.

In May, TJX said it won support from MasterCard-issuing banks for a settlement that will pay them as much as $24 million to cover costs from the breach. A similar agreement reached last November with Visa-card issuing banks set aside as much as $40.9 million to help banks cover costs including replacing customers' payment cards and covering fraudulent charges.

According to the indictments unsealed Tuesday, three of the defendants are U.S. citizens, one is from Estonia, three are from Ukraine, two are from China and one is from Belarus. One individual is known only by an alias online, and his place of origin is unknown.

In the Boston indictment, the alleged ringleader Albert "Segvec" Gonzalez of Miami was charged with computer fraud, wire fraud, access device fraud, aggravated identity theft and conspiracy. Gonzalez, who is in custody in New York, faces a maximum penalty of life in prison if he is convicted of all the charges.

Gonzalez was a U.S. Secret Service informant who helped the agency take over a Web site being used to transmit stolen identifiers and stolen credit card numbers, U.S. Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan said at the news conference.

"That was the first time ever that a computer system was wiretapped," he said.

But he said the Secret Service later found out that Gonzalez had also been feeding criminals information about ongoing investigations — even warning off at least one person.

"Obviously, we weren't happy that a person working for us as an informant was double-dealing," Mark Sullivan said.

Indictments were also unsealed Tuesday in San Diego against Maksym "Maksik" Yastremskiy of Kharkov, Ukraine, and Aleksandr "Jonny Hell" Suvorov of Sillamae, Estonia. They are charged with crimes related to the sale of the stolen credit card data.

Yastremskiy was arrested when he traveled to Turkey on vacation in July 2007. He is facing related Turkish charges, and U.S. officials said they have requested his extradition.

Justice Department officials said Suvorov was arrested on the San Diego charges by German officials in March when he traveled there on vacation. He is in custody awaiting the resolution of extradition proceedings.

Indictments against Hung-Ming Chiu and Zhi Zhi Wang, both of China, and a person known only by the online nickname "Delpiero" were also unsealed in San Diego.

A Justice Department spokeswoman said those three suspects, together with five others, are still at large. Officials did not give an arraignment date for Gonzalez.

In May, federal prosecutors in New York indicted Yastremskiy, Suvorov and Gonzalez on 27 counts of fraud and identity theft. The charges stemmed from allegations that they hacked into a national restaurant chain's computerized cash registers and stole credit card information from customers. Eleven Dave & Buster's restaurants around the United States suffered at least $600,000 in losses, prosecutors said

This year was the first year that I ever responded to any of your posts. It is almost two years to the day that you have been a member of this forum so you are saying that up to that time you have been talking to yourself (which you do a lot anyway). I might have discussed Harold with you but Gordon Ramsay? Are you a member of the Hell's Kitchen forum?

Yes I had two surface fillings - no painkillers used and a core buildup in preparation for a new crown.

Have you ever asked yourself who is going to pay for all this socialized medicine? People like us who still get a paycheck - a little thing like garnishing our wages to take care of the have nots like the drug addicts and the illegal aliens.

My wife is a nurse and it just kills her to have to treat the neighbor across the street who is on medicaid because she claims that she has Agoraphobia - a fancy word for people who are afraid to go outdoors and have to stay in the house - can't work. So besides collecting medicaid she cleans houses and probably gets paid under the table. Her kids got a free college education and her live in boyfriend just bought her a brand new bright red Jeep SUV to gallivant around town. Agoraphobia indeed! More like milkaphoria.

Ow b*tchslap from the Johnster ...OK you gonna' go make me go back and get it then...Damn you.

Oh dear me we cannot go there again... WE are gonna' pay for it John WE are...WE are gonna'stop wasteful spending...We are gonna' stop Washington from earmarking us to death we are gonna stop giving big biz umbrella tax breaks and all kinds of other bribes....WE are gonna' stop exporting our jobs so we can expolit the poor and bring them back
here...so we can have decent jobs with benefits.
We are gonna get the HELL out of Iraq and we are gonna' stop being so self absorbed and care about our villagers our neighbors and our sick..We are gonna' stop sending so much money to countries that support hate against women and other human rights violations.
WE have to John Because what
else matters than the health and welfare of our citizens???

WE can pay for it and we should..I say we are gonna' That is my wish and dream for everyone because as you just said you can't even get a filling paid for.

I'm trying to tell you that I have two friends who will die because they cannot fit the criteria for health care....or what they have is just way too expensive for that system.
Not everyone who doesn't have health care doesn't work and pay taxes..THEY will pay for it too.
My taxes and theirs go for many things that I do not want or support.
I can't get health care..They won't take me because of a pre existing..They make up pre exisitngs all the time and deny deny deny.
It is a BUSINESS and it should not be.
We sit back and let them take our taxes and do what they will with them and none of us even have a clue as to what they do with it and we should .. I would rather my tax money go to feed peeps and make them well than to some some smarmy Senator and his vactaions and exorbitant retirement plan...And that list is way long.
I say we are GONNA'..Nah we won't...But we should.

jmsvnho

Eeeeeek!

Thank GAWD mine are all maxed out!!!

Sigh ......Money makes us CrAzY

This is upsetting news. I shop at Sports Authority as they carry my shoe size. I made some credit card purchases last year when I purchased some expensive knee braces (hinged) for my left knee. I was there today after leaving the dentist (1/2 miles up the road) - bought a Joba tee-shirt but paid cash.

We are getting out of Iraq but not on a time table. We are getting out with conditions on the ground being the determining factor. If we were to adhere to Obama's 16 month plan, if I were Osama I'd be circling a certain date on my calendar as being the time to go back into Iraq. 4125 Americans would have died for nothing, just so a politician from Chicago could get himself elected.

Why is it when big business is mentioned that it is used as a club to hit republicans with. There are plenty of democrats with ties to big business. Take Hillary for instance: when Bill was governor of Arkansas Hillary was on the board of directors for Wal-mart. Who is the biggest contributor to Obama's campaign? It's George Soros, billionaire financier and founder of Moveon.Org. Did you know that Soros owns sixty-two million dollars worth of shares in Halliburton stock? It's been on the internet for over a year now. Exporting jobs - that's when I think of John Kerry whose wife makes her money by building factories not here in the USA but where there is cheap labor. Heinz ketchup and baby food is manufactured in China.

John I meant EVERYONE not just Repubs. Don't think for one minute I don't think that Dems are any better or less bought and paid for or that there aren't ANY clean politic ans on both sides...Oh yeah oxymoronic that..I just like the grass on that side of the corrupt fence better is all...If we are gonna' buy votes and laws and policies...well than I choose the Dem side as the way lesser of two evils as far as policy....not personal responsibility....It's 2008...We don't have health care for all yet.

And btw It doesn't HAVE to be totally free to
all there are so many ways this could be done equitably..Sliding scale and all.We are a lot larger than most countries which support that.
Truth is of course we could afford it.
But will the peeps go for it.Totally free I think not that is a hand out in most peeps
minds.I call it a heart out.We can be judged as a nation on how we treat our infirmed and weak.....Some French guy said that.
I say we can be judged on how treat our everyone.

YES John you did speak to me in season two.
I saw a few last night.
But I couldn't find the post about Harold and Gordon I had come on before the season had started and asked if Harold was ever on Kitchen Nightmares as I thought I had seen him on an episode and I was wrong.
I could be wrong but I thought it was you.lol When I have time I'll sort it....If NOT you aren't the first person to speak to me on TC.
I had given you the honor.
Anywhoooo we are almost done.lol DON'T ask
and leaving soon so adiós and see ya' in NY!!!!
My phone and internet get shut off at 9
THAT will make this kid go for sure.
He got heat stroke yesterday.He felt really sick.
It was so hot and he had so much to do out there with all the stuff to the cars and the garbage and all Oy

YES John talking to meself lol

I think I'm gonna' kiss the ground in NY.
I'v e just left a third world country.

KK...Ithink what John and I are trying to tell you is be careful what you ask for because when you get it you may not like it...my family had ties for several years to the Kaiser health network and that is very close to what socialized health care will be like... and I can tell you horror stories about poor treatment and care that cost some people thier lives. Our current system has problems... but the poor do get care and a lot of people do not have coverage by choice ; could it be better yes... but we really need to keep the governnment out of the picture.

Sigh....Well then we make it better Ford.
We can do it.....We can and I hope we will.
Come on ...we are the best....they say.
The best minds in the world....We can't do it???
Of COURSE we can do it....Medicare works great.
My mother had not one problem on Medicare.
The poor get shoddy help at best...usually.
I'm sorry but we can do it.

What hotel did you get btw??

Medicare sucks! I've had nothing but problems over the last 5 years in dealing with them over the last 5 years over my mom and dad's bills. It's what happens when the govt is so big the head doesn't know what the arms are doing. Do I have horror stories, I know I'm not the only one. Health care for the poor is needed and I don't know where you live but we have several hospitals and urgent care facilities around here that accept everyone, whether they can pay or not. I cannot sing the praises enough for University Hosp in Cincy. I became very familiar with that hospital over the last year. Very good indeed. The closest I became with socialize health care was in the military. Granted the care was O.K. but the wait was terrible. and you never knew what doctor you were getting. Maybe if we criminals were getting free health care and "holiday Inn" rooms in prison, we'd have enough money to pay for a good health care program. Oh yea, and free college too. I shoulda told my kids to commit crimes so I didn't have to pay the $15,000/yr each I had to pay for them to go to college. Bread & water and dorm like rooms for the crims. Maybe then so many wouldn't want to go back.

Dental pain makes me grouchy too. Yes, I noticed that you were one of the few to post on the thread that kristlkrost seemed to have sequestered herself on. That was classy and really impressed me; it still does. And KK's tenacity impresses me, and the fact that she stays true to her beliefs with little family or board support.

As to your anger at your neighbor who gets medicaid for a suspect mental problem while cleaning houses under the table, I think the anger should be spread around a bit more. What about the scum lawyers who make profit out of enticing the poor to scam or sue? What about the rich who are happy to pay a cleaning lady under the table? Or the men who father children and live well while the government pays for their kids food and shelter and medical.

Surely there are laws that allow fraud in medicaid to be investigated. If your wife feels so strongly that her client is bilking the government maybe she should complain to medicaid even though her employer probably has a financial interest in keeping clients. Republicans who gripe about welfare queens are seemingly blind to large scale corruption in government contract and defense related industries. And I suspect that for every individual who attempts welfare fraud, there are many more who are not getting the help they deserve. Single elderly women are the poorest people in this country next to children. Many do without medication, food, safe housing because of this attitude that they sometimes believe themselves that it is shameful to ask the government for help. Many of them have raised children alone and have no credit from social security for doing so while the absent fathers are retired comfortably.

Things will never be fair. But there is merit in the trying.

Aw Note.... but I didn't sequester myself I'm just
not watching any of the shows is all.lol

The sweetest thing just happened to me.
All my young widow friends posted this song to me for goodbye at the same time and said they were gonna' sing it to me....awwww
I'm like Roseanne I 'm a good judge of character so that's why I stay away from most peeps.lol
NOT...BUT every now and then they sho' do surprise you.....BOY do they ever.
AND this is a soft song like your writing so here's to you and to everyone..We are almost DONE.....wooohooooo
My son said his bathroom was clean...NOT
So of COURSE that's what I've been doon'
But almost..so goodbye AGAIN

I'm gonna' have to say..Beatles best Brit band ever......YUP... I went there and it ain't 'cause
I'm in some [expletive deleted] up blur!
Well I am but.................

I looooooooooove this song


Nothing







Words are flying out like
endless rain into a paper cup
They slither while they pass
They slip away across the universe
Pools of sorrow waves of joy
are drifting thorough my open mind
Possessing and caressing me

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world

Images of broken light which
dance before me like a million eyes
That call me on and on across the universe
Thoughts meander like a
restless wind inside a letter box
they tumble blindly as
they make their way across the universe

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world

Sounds of laughter shades of life
are ringing through my open ears
exciting and inviting me
Limitless undying love which
shines around me like a million suns
It calls me on and on across the universe

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Jai guru deva
Jai guru deva

Well when I have more time.. Do you know how long it takes for a new patient to get in????

I don't care.... all my friends in England
to my face at dinner told me it's fine with some probs of course..and Canada I know some there too online and on the phone.
I can tell you horror stories with the BEST dox and the BEST insurance so let's just say it's ALL messed up and say we need to change it and
and make it FREE for all...Are we tawking Medicaid or Medicare 'cause Medicare you just go to any doc who takes it and many down
here do cause of all the oldsters.
Medicaid ain't too bad either I hear..but worse..If you are poor yes you can get help but what about those who are JUST making it but make too much to qualify for anything???

Free GOOD healthcare Obama for all.
I pray....amen.

It's all about the abuse in the system. I have 3 brothers and 3 sisters and 15 assorted nieces and nephews. Here's the stats on my family alone.
1 SIL on SSI since the early 80's. Why? she's depressed. If she wasn't a drunk and mixed Lithium with it. I'd doubt she'd be that depressed. She drives a better car than me.
1 Niece food stamps but yet she pays 1100/mo on a bigger house than mine, has a new car and pays 500/mo for gymnastics for her daughter
1 Niece- so stung out on drugs hasn't worked a day in years-free healthcare and food stamps.
1 Nephew-in jail-for grand theft and drugs-two children getting all the benefits from medicare
1 sister-been getting social security since the sixties because her 1st husband was killed while in the AF. not war related. Yet she was married for 10 years to another man, then divorced and was allowed back on social sec. Free medical if she goes to veterans hosp.
1 great niece-daughter of drug addit niece, get's ss and medical card even tho she has a father and step mom that work.

All these abuses in my family alone. Multiply that by others out there and it's quite a healthy sum. Have I tried turning them into the gov't, yes. Did a get a response, No.

And don't even get me started about illegal immigrants. Free everything. Maybe we should bill Mexico for the costs. or just shootem as they cross the border.


My husband and I have worked very hard to get what we have. and I resent like hell the fact that we'll probably end up with very little cause we'll be taxed, etc. to pay for these people (abusers)
Now I know we all need a little help once in awhile and I applaud those hard working people who are trying to make a life for themselves, but stumble along the way. But for the habitual abusers, I say let them live in there own misary. And I condem the companies that don't offer health ins. for their employees or keep their hours low enough that they are inellgible to qualify for insurance only offered to "full-time" employees.
Well was that long enough of a rant?

OK. No time...Call me we'll tawk...LOL!
No you'll listen to me yell!!!




OHMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My drunk neighbor just informed me of severe weather warnings up and down the east coast..lol
I give up.....I HATE to drive in the rain
I can't win Shy I take it back
PRAY please pray.

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