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helencrump
QUOTE (dogabone @ April 19, 2008 - 12:37 PM) *
In case y'all don't frequent the TWoP boards, one of the more fun exercises has been naming the Cheftestants' individual threads. I'm fortunate enough to have had two accepted as the now-official thread titles:Nikki's Teflon Madonna and Jen's Stand by Your Woman. There are still some unnamed threads, so you might want to toddle over and test your imaginative naming powers.

I actually had an earlier one for Nikki that was perhaps a bit too episode-specific, to wit: (from the Zoo challenge) At Least Real Bear Poop Would Have Been Warm.

Someone shoot me now!


Well, I'll go on. I did the protein quiz and became a protein-whizzie . . . or whatever it's called.

You've got me a-goin' now!!!!
Radyms13
QUOTE (helencrump @ April 19, 2008 - 04:00 PM) *
well, that doesn't make sense to me . . . being a higher-temperature bipod. But I've got a cousin who went to Houghton . . . he's some kind of brain. My Mom's from Michigan. Grew up in Grand Rapids . . . went to Kalamazoo College, then to Michigan State where she met my Dad (vet student), they ended up in mid-Illinois, then went lower. They raised Boxers before they raised children. Who could tell the difference??~!@ blink.gif


Did ya think they treated the Boxers better than the children?? My husband and his brothers and sisters accuse my mom and pop in law of being nicer to the dog than to their kids---always cracks me up!!
Radyms13
QUOTE (helencrump @ April 19, 2008 - 04:00 PM) *
well, that doesn't make sense to me . . . being a higher-temperature bipod. But I've got a cousin who went to Houghton . . . he's some kind of brain. My Mom's from Michigan. Grew up in Grand Rapids . . . went to Kalamazoo College, then to Michigan State where she met my Dad (vet student), they ended up in mid-Illinois, then went lower. They raised Boxers before they raised children. Who could tell the difference??~!@ blink.gif


Hell is *down below* (the Mackinac Bridge) Paradise is *up here* (UP).
Radyms13
QUOTE (Jim in NYC @ April 19, 2008 - 04:14 PM) *
"Every time! Dogs can't turn round on you like human beings can. Never get a nasty word from a dog."

"Only a nasty tooth stuck into your leg."

"Dogs are a good judge of character."

"One of your brutes nearly pinned me by the leg last week. What do you say to that?"

"Same as I said just now!"

Oh that is wonderful!!! Please schedule my monitor cleaning for early next week.

(from Agatha Christie's Murder is Easy)


Oh that is wonderful!! Please schedule my monitor cleaning for early next week.
helencrump
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ April 19, 2008 - 02:50 PM) *
Well then I'd like to invite them to join us up here!!!

I'm goin' I'm with you . . . I don't get this season or the cheftestants!!

Radyms13
QUOTE (helencrump @ April 19, 2008 - 04:18 PM) *
I'm goin' I'm with you . . . I don't get this season or the cheftestants!!



Cmon along just bring Astro with you. They keep saying the is the best group of chefs yet, I just don't see it. Maybe lack of maturity in this group --- dunno.
helencrump
QUOTE (Jim in NYC @ April 19, 2008 - 02:51 PM) *
I'm sure we've all heard of Intercourse, Pennsylvania, right?


But I doubt very many of you have heard of Deadhorse, Alaska--and yes, there really is such a place.

Oh, for gollynedsake, my parents have a footstool from Intercourse. Major Amish country ... Pennsylvania Dutch ... Hex signs and all . . . the Plain and Fancy restaurant. Where Schick razors were invented. I was there in my pre-teens. Ate homemade icecream at Amos Stolzfoos's farm. I'm sure it's more commercialized now . . . like Cancun (I went in the mid-'80s a couple times with my late husband, when it was good).

Now you're talking about another great frontier . . . Deadhorse . . . is this a place to be, a place to visit or a place to enjoy from afar??
helencrump
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ April 19, 2008 - 03:05 PM) *
Did ya think they treated the Boxers better than the children?? My husband and his brothers and sisters accuse my mom and pop in law of being nicer to the dog than to their kids---always cracks me up!!

Well, yea, that would surmise the situation. mad.gif
helencrump
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ April 19, 2008 - 03:08 PM) *
Hell is *down below* (the Mackinac Bridge) Paradise is *up here* (UP).


I figured that Paradise was UP, That's where Houghton is. where my cousin went to college.

I absolutely love the island . . or the hotel . . . by the way. that pool was made for Esther Williams for one of her movies. The grounds are incredible!! I believe the movie was "Grand Hotel". That works!! smile.gif
helencrump
QUOTE (Jim in NYC @ April 19, 2008 - 03:14 PM) *
"Every time! Dogs can't turn round on you like human beings can. Never get a nasty word from a dog."

"Only a nasty tooth stuck into your leg."

"Dogs are a good judge of character."

"One of your brutes nearly pinned me by the leg last week. What do you say to that?"

"Same as I said just now!"


(from Agatha Christie's Murder is Easy)

so, you like dogs or not?
Radyms13
QUOTE (helencrump @ April 19, 2008 - 04:30 PM) *
Well, yea, that would surmise the situation. mad.gif



Aawww. Take heart my dear--dogs don't want to drive, don't want to go to the prom, can't borrow money, ya don't have to send them to college---I can kinda understand...
helencrump
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ April 19, 2008 - 03:23 PM) *
Cmon along just bring Astro with you. They keep saying the is the best group of chefs yet, I just don't see it. Maybe lack of maturity in this group --- dunno.


I'm a-thinkin' Rosie could do better, and she's the maid. Hey, who does make their food? I think it comes out of a machine. Hmmmmmmmm!!
Radyms13
QUOTE (helencrump @ April 19, 2008 - 04:34 PM) *
I figured that Paradise was EP, That's where Houghton is. where my cousin went to college.

I absolutely love the island . . or the hotel . . . by the way. that pool was made for Esther Williams for one of her movies. The grounds are incredible!! I believe the movie was "Grand Hotel". That works!! smile.gif


Grand Hotel on Mackinaw (Mackinac) Island is also where Somewhere In Time was filmed. Jane Seymore and Christopher Reeve. Beautiful island---no cars, just horses and bikes (snowmobiles in the winter.)
Radyms13
QUOTE (helencrump @ April 19, 2008 - 04:39 PM) *
I'm a-thinkin' Rosie could do better, and she's the maid. Hey, who does make their food? I think it comes out of a machine. Hmmmmmmmm!!


Oh please bring Rosie along to clean, but I'd rather cook myself (not gourmet, really good food tho).
helencrump
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ April 19, 2008 - 03:38 PM) *
Aawww. Take heart my dear--dogs don't want to drive, don't want to go to the prom, can't borrow money, ya don't have to send them to college---I can kinda understand...

And it was all such a burden to them. Now they're gone. They whipsnatched out of being grandparents.

My kids are 16-18-20 and my husband died 7 years ago. The two bottom are males, and they don't have any fellow-figure to go from to be sure they're good family men. That bothers me alot.

My daughter is strong and wise beyond her years.

Oh veiqahngk;sdkf;lakfn. How does all this happen? Where's Nikki?
helencrump
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ April 19, 2008 - 03:41 PM) *
Grand Hotel on Mackinaw (Mackinac) Island is also where Somewhere In Time was filmed. Jane Seymore and Christopher Reeve. Beautiful island---no cars, just horses and bikes (snowmobiles in the winter.)

Oh, I just love that!! Bikes around the island. Horse-drawn carriages. And fudge shops that never stop!!

But I've been there three times and always loved every minute!!
SimonBao
QUOTE (Jim in NYC @ April 19, 2008 - 03:51 PM) *
I'm sure we've all heard of Intercourse, Pennsylvania, right?

But I doubt very many of you have heard of Deadhorse, Alaska--and yes, there really is such a place.

Of course I've heard of Intercourse, PA. It's not that far from Blue Ball, PA. Neither have anything on Junk in the Trunk, NJ.
Radyms13
QUOTE (helencrump @ April 19, 2008 - 04:55 PM) *
And it was all such a burden to them. Now they're gone. They whipsnatched out of being grandparents.

My kids are 16-18-20 and my husband died 7 years ago. The two bottom are males, and they don't have any fellow-figure to go from to be sure they're good family men. That bothers me alot.

My daughter is strong and wise beyond her years . . . moving to NYC in the next month to go to CUNY . . . has always wanted to live in NYC. What better time than now?? She'll be in her second year of college. She's got the wanderlust . . . got her passport when she was 14, and I've sent her everywhere she's wanted to go. Good for her!!

Hey, anybody want to help or give some pointers to Margaret as she moves to New York? Margaret Christie is her name. And, of course, I'm helencrump Christie. She's a doll! Golly Ned, I never thought of asking all you well-meaning and well-positioned folks about that. Her e-mail is: margaret.christie@yahoo.com.

If you can give her pointers or otherwise, please do so. She's my angel. And the boys are such my gemumytus. My 18-year-old Matthew left today for Costa Rica on a service project. He's in a residential treatment center in Utah. This should be good for him.

Oh veiqahngk;sdkf;lakfn. How does all this happen? Where's Nikki?


Oh Helen so sorry for your loses, the best advice I would give to Margaret and her brothers is ----*Listen to your Mom!!!!*
Radyms13
QUOTE (helencrump @ April 19, 2008 - 04:58 PM) *
Oh, I just love that!! Bikes around the island. Horse-drawn carriages. And fudge shops that never stop!!

But I've been there three times and always loved every minute!!



You will be so happy to know the locals call the tourists *Fudgies* cause they buy so much of it. Lived in the UP for quite a while and still have no idea why there are so many fudge shops.!!!
Radyms13
QUOTE (SimonBao @ April 19, 2008 - 05:05 PM) *
Of course I've heard of Intercourse, PA. It's not that far from Blue Ball, PA. Neither have anything on Junk in the Trunk, NJ.



OMG Junk it the Trunk??? Seriously??? Is it a retirement city for senior women??? Will I be sent there soon???
Ldastro
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ April 19, 2008 - 05:11 PM) *
You will be so happy to know the locals call the tourists *Fudgies* cause they buy so much of it. Lived in the UP for quite a while and still have no idea why there are so many fudge shops.!!!



Rad...keep up the Yooper talk I will be second home sick...of course seeing that they had a blizzard there last week kinda tempers that feeling.

Mac Isle is nice but very toursity...did have the best lake perch there though...side street place...Irish pub...Guiness battered...may be the best fish I have ever had!!

Really want to get away...turn left at the bridge...in winter...pull your snowmobile right up tp the grocery store and in the summer...been on a lake so quiet at 7 am that I could hear a coffee maker going off from 200 yards away.

Really need to get up there this summer...just for a little peace of mind!
Ldastro
Ohio has a Hicksville....just to renforce all the rest of the country's notion of us.

And of course there is the old joke about Dayton and then Eaton Ohio...but I will just let your imaginations fill in the blanks!
Radyms13
QUOTE (Ldastro @ April 19, 2008 - 05:38 PM) *
Rad...keep up the Yooper talk I will be second home sick...of course seeing that they had a blizzard there last week kinda tempers that feeling.

Mac Isle is nice but very toursity...did have the best lake perch there though...side street place...Irish pub...Guiness battered...may be the best fish I have ever had!!

Really want to get away...turn left at the bridge...in winter...pull your snowmobile right up tp the grocery store and in the summer...been on a lake so quiet at 7 am that I could hear a coffee maker going off from 200 yards away.

Really need to get up there this summer...just for a little peace of mind!


Love the UP but my oldest son was born up there on May 17th and there was still snow on the ground. Was up there this past fall and it was snowing in October.

If you ever get to the Soo go to the Antlers Bar on Portage St.
Irish/sportsmans bar--butcher their own meat, real potatoes, fresh made muffins and dinner rolls every day. Right on the St. Mary's River across from Canada. During prohibition it was called the Bucket of Blood and Guts Saloon.
Radyms13
QUOTE (Ldastro @ April 19, 2008 - 05:40 PM) *
Ohio has a Hicksville....just to renforce all the rest of the country's notion of us.

And of course there is the old joke about Dayton and then Eaton Ohio...but I will just let your imaginations fill in the blanks!



Ok I used to work in Detroit and the streets I had to take were - Schaefer, Eaton, Tracy and Lesure in that order and no I'm not making this stuff up.
Radyms13
This is from Slashfood/Hungry Magazine:
According to some reports, Tom Colicchio is big in the bear community. This week he visits a different kinds of Bears community. Apparently, according to the Top Chef cell phone poll, 50% of America wants to touch him in touch football too.

1 - Koren Grieveson is a guest judge. Bring the Avec love.

2 - Dale says he has no experience pairing beer with food and seems scared. Odd, I thought good chefs trust their palate. Though he's not nearly as bad as Spike who says, "It all tastes the same to me."

3 - Quickfire challenge = Anheuser Busch commercial

4 - Stephanie takes a page out of the Hopleaf pagebook, mussels and beer

5 - Spike not only hates women, but now he's a homophobe. Though he takes a bath with Mark in this episode, so maybe he's just a self hating closet case.

6 - Richard only likes "refined" food. That's cool, I only like humble chefs.

7 - Ryan's making poached grilled pears with creme fraiche? It's a tailgate dude, not Charlie Trotter's in 1994.

8 - Richard goes with a gas grill. The dude smokes everything with his porta-smoker, but he's wusses out here, odd.

9 - How cute, Paul Kahan and Tom Colicchio wore matching newsboy caps.

10 - I still think Andrew's on crystal meth.

11 - Richard confirms multiple personality disorder and refers to himself as "we"

12 - Nicky bought sausage and grilled some peppers and onion? Hmmm, it's called Top Chef, not Top Short Order Cook.

13 - Ryan - he gone. Bit of a shocker. At least he cooked something.

FYI, Potential Spoiler: Pete Wells over at NYT speculates that a female chef might win it all this year. Here in Chicago, my sources tell me that Stephanie Izard hasn't been looking for a job, and has been cooking a lot of "dinner parties" for friends and other cooks. Sounds like practice for a live finale to me.

By Michael Nagrant
bJason
Have a great night and weekend! I'll see those of you who are here tomorrow!
Ldastro
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ April 19, 2008 - 06:22 PM) *
FYI, Potential Spoiler: Pete Wells over at NYT speculates that a female chef might win it all this year. Here in Chicago, my sources tell me that Stephanie Izard hasn't been looking for a job, and has been cooking a lot of "dinner parties" for friends and other cooks. Sounds like practice for a live finale to me.

By Michael Nagrant



And she could have easily one with her shrimp over Lisa's bacon...And in the zoo challenge if it wasn't for her bad dish...her good dish may have one. ANd another And she had a good shot in this ep!

Where's the conspiracy theorists now!! I demand a conspiracy!!!!

wink.gif
KSBEAR
Doesn't Stephanie still own a restaurant in Chicago?
korak73
QUOTE (BreBaby @ April 17, 2008 - 11:54 AM) *
I totally agree with you, I think all of the marketing during the show period is getting a little ridiculous. I think that's why I like Hell's Kitchen. No advertisement bull$hit.
And Chef Ramsey is hot. wub.gif



....Gotta get paid from those advertisers
helencrump
QUOTE (teleburst @ April 19, 2008 - 11:45 AM) *
Oh, it's just the tip of the iceberg.

It's just hanging there over all of our heads.


Hanging . . . over heads . . . Please, teleburst, tell me, whatever do you mean? laugh.gif
johnw
QUOTE (helencrump @ April 19, 2008 - 02:30 PM) *
I think what Dale won was incredible . . . I'd like one myself.

Yet, I think everybody should go into both QF and EC naked . . . not knowing that there might be some immediate gift (pleasure).

So, to me, Dale's clearly noncelebratory (right there at JT) reaction is simply selfish.


Dale lives in NY City. I don't know whether he is going to be able to use that grill or not.
johnw
QUOTE (KSBEAR @ April 19, 2008 - 06:21 PM) *
Doesn't Stephanie still own a restaurant in Chicago?


Stephanie sold her share of the restaurant just before she came on the show. She must have been prophetic as the restaurant has since closed.
helencrump
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ April 19, 2008 - 01:40 PM) *
Please don't bring back nightmares for me laugh.gif
Do you know how many times I had to say with a big smile on no less:

Welcome to OUR house.
(Andrew musta' made that one up)
Would you like to try a rooty tooty fresh and fruity?????

Bad enough my uniform looked like an episode of milk maids gone wild.



BUT......they be good pancakes.
IHOP has a secret blend and mmm
Try the Intl crepes....mmm
Their pot roast is out of this world with gravy on the side please.

Not that you were...but we should never knock IHOP..They really do have good food.






I think Denny's has the grand slam.
helencrump
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ April 19, 2008 - 04:08 PM) *
Oh Helen so sorry for your loses, the best advice I would give to Margaret and her brothers is ----*Listen to your Mom!!!!*

You're a doll. Thank you . . . from the bottom of my heart!!!

I'm now ferklempt with tears in my eyes and all. Thanks, Radyms13!!
helencrump
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ April 19, 2008 - 04:14 PM) *
OMG Junk it the Trunk??? Seriously??? Is it a retirement city for senior women??? Will I be sent there soon???

I'm LMAO, please take it . . .no one else will!!!!!! laugh.gif And I want to go there!!
helencrump
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ April 19, 2008 - 04:11 PM) *
You will be so happy to know the locals call the tourists *Fudgies* cause they buy so much of it. Lived in the UP for quite a while and still have no idea why there are so many fudge shops.!!!


I think they're called fudge-packers.
helencrump
QUOTE (Ldastro @ April 19, 2008 - 04:38 PM) *
Rad...keep up the Yooper talk I will be second home sick...of course seeing that they had a blizzard there last week kinda tempers that feeling.

Mac Isle is nice but very toursity...did have the best lake perch there though...side street place...Irish pub...Guiness battered...may be the best fish I have ever had!!

Really want to get away...turn left at the bridge...in winter...pull your snowmobile right up tp the grocery store and in the summer...been on a lake so quiet at 7 am that I could hear a coffee maker going off from 200 yards away.

Really need to get up there this summer...just for a little peace of mind!

I could go there for a little piece of . . . oh, walleye. Well, crap, you said peace. Never mind!
helencrump
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ April 19, 2008 - 04:49 PM) *
Love the UP but my oldest son was born up there on May 17th and there was still snow on the ground. Was up there this past fall and it was snowing in October.

If you ever get to the Soo go to the Antlers Bar on Portage St.
Irish/sportsmans bar--butcher their own meat, real potatoes, fresh made muffins and dinner rolls every day. Right on the St. Mary's River across from Canada. During prohibition it was called the Bucket of Blood and Guts Saloon.

I remember as a kid we were up there during vacation in August, and we went to the Soo St. Marie Creamery (or Dairy) . . . great milkshakes!!
helencrump
QUOTE (Ldastro @ April 19, 2008 - 05:47 PM) *
And she could have easily one with her shrimp over Lisa's bacon...And in the zoo challenge if it wasn't for her bad dish...her good dish may have one. ANd another And she had a good shot in this ep!

Where's the conspiracy theorists now!! I demand a conspiracy!!!!

wink.gif

Well, gol darn it, muster up one. Barney and Otis will help . . . and if anyone needs a haircut Floyd's there, too. Don't say we can't be had, when Bea will be there right behind you!! And believe me, she can be BEHIND YOU! tongue.gif There's a broomstick in the offing here!! Anybody want a ride?
helencrump
QUOTE (Ldastro @ April 19, 2008 - 05:47 PM) *
And she could have easily one with her shrimp over Lisa's bacon...And in the zoo challenge if it wasn't for her bad dish...her good dish may have one. ANd another And she had a good shot in this ep!

Where's the conspiracy theorists now!! I demand a conspiracy!!!!

wink.gif

Shrimp over bacon. Is this a test? . . . paper, rock, scissors? Spoon, taste, dip?! huh.gif
SimonBao
Blessed Passover to any who observe the holy days... Friends who usually invite me to their Seder traveled to spend it with their families, so alas... kind of disappointing. But anyway, blessed Passover to any...
helencrump
QUOTE (johnw @ April 19, 2008 - 08:19 PM) *
Dale lives in NY City. I don't know whether he is going to be able to use that grill or not.

Well, then he can send it to me. Or he can sleep on it. Instant heated blanket in winter, which, in NYC is more months than not!
Radyms13
QUOTE (helencrump @ April 19, 2008 - 09:36 PM) *
You're a doll. Thank you . . . from the bottom of my heart!!!

I'm now ferklempt with tears in my eyes and all. Thanks, Radyms13!!



No tears toots.
Radyms13
QUOTE (helencrump @ April 19, 2008 - 09:40 PM) *
I think they're called fudge-packers.



Nope nope nope!!! WHOLE different term. Fudgie is the dad with the plaid bermuda shorts, black socks, loafers and the big camera around his neck. Usually has a pale wife that bitches alot and two whiny kids.

Fudge-packer is a gross, derogatory term that has nothing what so ever to do with tourists.
helencrump
QUOTE (Jim in NYC @ April 19, 2008 - 09:56 AM) *
There's a scene in Shirley Valentine where four women are discussing the clitoris, and Shirley mentions that, "It sounds like it could be someone's name! 'Oh, hello, Clitoris, how are you this morning?'"

"I don't know," says one of her friends, "It sounds.....kind of dirty!"

"Oh, shut up; plenty of men walk around called D!ck!"

I have a friend from church who married Richard Head. Now, he could have gone by Richard or Rich or Rick, but what did he choose (since his parents gave him that incredible name)? You guessed it.

My Dad (God rest his soul since last January but not before) and I always had that gutteral laugh between us (since he's my father, and I'm his daughter) that's just one of those things that's supposed to go between men, but I always brought up D!ck Head. If you say it fast, you've captured the essence of this man.
Radyms13
QUOTE (helencrump @ April 19, 2008 - 10:08 PM) *
I have a friend from church who married Richard Head. Now, he could have gone by Richard or Rich or Rick, but what did he choose (since his parents gave him that incredible name)? You guessed it.

My Dad (God rest his soul since last January but not before) and I always had that gutteral laugh between us (since he's my father, and I'm his daughter) that's just one of those things that supposed to go between men, but I always brought up D!ck Head. If you say it fast, you've captured the essence of this man.


Hilarious!!! Used to have a plant manager where I worked named William Doe. I would on occasion have to page him when he was on the manufacturing floor. Could never bring myself to say *Bill Doe please come to the office* Think about it.
Radyms13
QUOTE (helencrump @ April 19, 2008 - 09:49 PM) *
Well, gol darn it, muster up one. Barney and Otis will help . . . and if anyone needs a haircut Floyd's there, too. Don't say we can't be had, when Bea will be there right behind you!! And believe me, she can be BEHIND YOU! tongue.gif There's a broomstick in the offing here!! Anybody want a ride?



You won't believe this one either---I worked for a company that made brooms and brushes!!! I am the queen of the broomstick my pretty---and your little dog too!!!
TaterTot
QUOTE (helencrump @ April 19, 2008 - 09:08 PM) *
I have a friend from church who married Richard Head. Now, he could have gone by Richard or Rich or Rick, but what did he choose (since his parents gave him that incredible name)? You guessed it.

My Dad (God rest his soul since last January but not before) and I always had that gutteral laugh between us (since he's my father, and I'm his daughter) that's just one of those things that supposed to go between men, but I always brought up D!ck Head. If you say it fast, you've captured the essence of this man.


laugh.gif There was a guy where I used to work named "Phuc Nguyn"...I may have spelled that last name wrong but it is pronounced as "when" and whenever one of us Americans would read his name we would say "Fu*k When"? It was actually pronounced Fook When...anyway everyone would crack up...except for F*ck, of course.
Radyms13
QUOTE (TaterTot @ April 19, 2008 - 11:00 PM) *
laugh.gif There was a guy where I used to work named "Phuc Nguyn"...I may have spelled that last name wrong but it is pronounced as "when" and whenever one of us Americans would read his name we would say "Fu*k When"? It was actually pronounced Fook When...anyway everyone would crack up...except for F*ck, of course.



That's a great one!!! I will seem so clever at the next party I go to-----I'm stealing everyone's material!!
helencrump
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ April 19, 2008 - 09:05 PM) *
Nope nope nope!!! WHOLE different term. Fudgie is the dad with the plaid bermuda shorts, black socks, loafers and the big camera around his neck. Usually has a pale wife that bitches alot and two whiny kids.

Fudge-packer is a gross, derogatory term that has nothing what so ever to do with tourists.

Oh, EEK!!! I get it now. Can the black socks go waaaay up the calf and have sandals attached on the foot end? If so, I really get it now!!!
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