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WhataJoke
QUOTE (teleburst @ May 3, 2008 - 07:19 AM) *
You know, it's funny. You're acting as if he were blogging about events that hppened last week.in real time. He's taking time out of running his empire to wirte about events that happened half a year ago instead of last week (sometimes we forget that). It's as he says, he does Top Chef for about 3 weeks a year and the other 48 months, he's in a kitchen cooking or running his restaurants (and maybe he does an occasional personal appearance for Bravo).

Is it any wonder that he might accidentally substitute the name of a similar contestant (two skinny scruffy somewhat crazy white dudes) or misremember the way a rather convoluted challenge went down after probably just scanning a broadcast of events that happened 6 months ago? Maybe he's doing it on an airplane flying to Vegas to meet with some of his investors. Maybe he was actually in the kitchen the night before helping runn service for 300 people. Maybe he's just like the rest of us and gets a bad cold around Thursday but feels he has to blog anyway. Or even more likely, could it be that the editing fairies created something that's so far away from the actual reality of what went down that even he gets a little confused?

You'll probably just pooh pooh this and say I'm reaching, but I think you're expecting too much for someone to remember all of the exact motivations and discussions and nuances of the judges discussions from events that happened half a year ago (or even not be prone to slip up and substitute Andrew's name for Spike). I'll bet that when he walks away from the set the last time, in a couple of weeks it's all ancient history as he plows back into to running his restaurants. And when the televised show comes around, he probably has to carve time out just to force himself to sit through the show so that he can fulfill some contractural obligation to Bravo to blog about the show. These chefs and judging events are almost ancient history to him at this point, plus, he might even be as baffled at some of the editing as we are. Even if he were able to see the final product before it airs, it's still months after the event. And if this is the case, I doubt that he sits down with bated breath every Wed. to watch with the rest of us. Maybe he watches it again, maybe he doesn't (many actors claim not to watch their own movies and TV shows). So he might even blog weeks after seeing a finished copy that's airmailed to him. Who knows?

Finally, let's not forget that he's actually in the presence of these chefs for a grand total of about half an hour per episode. He only has about 30 seconds one on one with them when he does his walkthrough, and that's the only one on one contact he has with them (unless he's telling one of them that they have to leave because they assaulted someone). These guys and gals as individuals are barely blips on his radar at this point.


You know what else is funny? He's getting paid to do this, it's his job to post a blog and, for better or worse, what he writes in these blogs impacts the shows credibility. Don't try and make it sound like he's doing us a favor being on the show or is some food missionary sacrificing his time to convert the culinary heathens.

And you know what? He probably gets paid more in the 3 weeks it takes to filem Top Chef than most people here make in a year so forgive me if I expect a little more from him.

Is it any wonder that he can't remember who wins what on the show he hosts? Uh yeah it is. Take some notes. Have a production assistant take some notes. Be a Professional. Tom isn't stupid and didn't get to be as successful he is today by being sloppy and this is sloppy & lazy.
He didn't get to where he is today by mailing it in. So if he's doing it on a plane or after a ngith of service or after a triathalon, it has no bearing on his responcibility to get it right. If its such a burden for him to write a accurate blog each week then don't do the show.

And he didn't just swap a name.
"Spike served a colorful and nutritious carrot soup that all the kids loved, and his pasta delighted everyone, including the adults."
Which then became:
"Andrew served a Chicken Paillard that delighted everyone, including the adults."
Sorry but that's plain lazy and deleting the blog and everyones comments is the result.

And lets not forget that he is in the presence of the Chefs for a reason. He's respected in the industry. All the chefs on the show seem to look up to him. How do you think Andew feels that Tom doesn't care enough to give him the credit he earned? I'm sure he feels like less than a blip on a radar now.
SimonBao
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ May 3, 2008 - 12:13 PM) *
Hung is the master---beautiful knife skills!!

I love this challenge and I'm hoping, now that they are down to 8, we actually get to see what they can do.


Rady, on the preview it looks like we may get to see what they can't do.

I know it's edited for maximum drama and suspense and misdirection, but it does look like most of our heroes are pretty unhappy at Judges Table. Dale saying something to the judges like, "Well you ought to have liked it, it took him 3 hours to make it..." No smiles anywhere, on any of them, but I don't recall them showing Stephie? Omen? Probably not.

Thinking I won't enjoy this challenge, catering a wedding reception just sounds like an invitation to hell.
dcjewbear
QUOTE (SimonBao @ May 3, 2008 - 12:35 PM) *
Rady, on the preview it looks like we may get to see what they can't do.

I know it's edited for maximum drama and suspense and misdirection, but it does look like most of our heroes are pretty unhappy at Judges Table. Dale saying something to the judges like, "Well you ought to have liked it, it took him 3 hours to make it..." No smiles anywhere, on any of them, but I don't recall them showing Stephie? Omen? Probably not.

Thinking I won't enjoy this challenge, catering a wedding reception just sounds like an invitation to hell.


The wedding challenge was my least favorite show in the first season. I would hope that this current crop of chefs would have seen that debacle and made adjustments, but I don't think so.

The last two challenges were so wonderful that I'm truly worried about this upcoming show. I think it will be yet another disaster.
johnw
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 3, 2008 - 07:15 AM) *
Hey good idea.....But of course.
Just wondering Simon...... Do you ever
get to go home at all???
You were born there....... right???


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teleburst
QUOTE (WhataJoke @ May 3, 2008 - 11:33 AM) *
You know what else is funny? He's getting paid to do this, it's his job to post a blog and, for better or worse, what he writes in these blogs impacts the shows credibility. Don't try and make it sound like he's doing us a favor being on the show or is some food missionary sacrificing his time to convert the culinary heathens.

And you know what? He probably gets paid more in the 3 weeks it takes to filem Top Chef than most people here make in a year so forgive me if I expect a little more from him.

Is it any wonder that he can't remember who wins what on the show he hosts? Uh yeah it is. Take some notes. Have a production assistant take some notes. Be a Professional. Tom isn't stupid and didn't get to be as successful he is today by being sloppy and this is sloppy & lazy.
He didn't get to where he is today by mailing it in. So if he's doing it on a plane or after a ngith of service or after a triathalon, it has no bearing on his responcibility to get it right. If its such a burden for him to write a accurate blog each week then don't do the show.

And he didn't just swap a name.
"Spike served a colorful and nutritious carrot soup that all the kids loved, and his pasta delighted everyone, including the adults."
Which then became:
"Andrew served a Chicken Paillard that delighted everyone, including the adults."
Sorry but that's plain lazy and deleting the blog and everyones comments is the result.

And lets not forget that he is in the presence of the Chefs for a reason. He's respected in the industry. All the chefs on the show seem to look up to him. How do you think Andew feels that Tom doesn't care enough to give him the credit he earned? I'm sure he feels like less than a blip on a radar now.


Let's not forget that he's a professional - a professional food person, not a professional media or internet person. I'm sure that he's getting a serious education in it after four seasons, but I'm pretty sure that this doesn't come all that naturally to him.

Deleting the comments when updating a blog sounds like a syndrome of the same thing that gets us a board for every other episode - sounds like a possible IT issue. The laziness and sloppiness might very well be in that department. Of course, it could be censorship <shrug>

I'm glad that you hold Tom up to such standards, since you seem to think that he's a liar and a fraud some of the time. I think it's just brain farts and understandable when you're blogging about long past events. Since this show is done on a relative shoestring (it appears) and with a very tight production schedule, I'd be surprised if they have production assistant time to provide Tom with "blogging notes".

As to the normal person's yearly salary thing, yeah, that's about a half a week's sales in one of his restaurants. I'm sure he's well-paid for his 3 weeks (and ancillary stuff that he's required to do). He probably gets far more boost in his income and business success from the publicity than he does from actually getting a paycheck.

He's not doing me or you a favor by doing the show. But don't try to make it sound like his little tiny blog should be perfect or all-emcompassing either. It's probably almost as much of an afterthought as it is a little tiny portion of the contract. But you should be thankful that he seems to consider it a bit of an afterthought. Otherwise, you would have very little ammo to support your theories.

He's NOT in the presence of the chefs for the most part. Do I care about whether Andrew might be upset that he's not Tom's drinking buddy like Sam is? Not in the least. Am I glad that the blog was corrected to give him the credit he deserved? Sure.

I'd certainly give Tom and Bravo a suggestion. He (and all of the bloggers) should submit his/their blog/s to a continuity person before it/they gets posted. that way they could correct errors without having some intern do it after the fact. Of course, that's assuming that they have the script supervisor available on the clock to do it. Of course, you'd probably consider that person "spin doctor" so it's probably a no-win.
WhataJoke
QUOTE (dcjewbear @ May 3, 2008 - 12:04 PM) *
The wedding challenge was my least favorite show in the first season. I would hope that this current crop of chefs would have seen that debacle and made adjustments, but I don't think so.

The last two challenges were so wonderful that I'm truly worried about this upcoming show. I think it will be yet another disaster.


Bear I'll even go so far as saying that it was my least favorite challenge ever on the show. Awful premise for the quickfire, completely unrealistic time frame and just all around cruel to the couple who were most likely hoodwinked into going along with the idea. There was not one chance that these chefs were going to do well let alone excell.

And aside from going to Whole foods with only 10 bucks (completely unrealistic, not the $10 part but the Whole Foods part) I thought the last challenge was one of the best ever on the show.

I think this will be a complete cluster bleep and the sad part is that its exactly what the producers want.
dcjewbear
QUOTE (WhataJoke @ May 3, 2008 - 02:24 PM) *
Bear I'll even go so far as saying that it was my least favorite challenge ever on the show. Awful premise for the quickfire, completely unrealistic time frame and just all around cruel to the couple who were most likely hoodwinked into going along with the idea. There was not one chance that these chefs were going to do well let alone excell.

And aside from going to Whole foods with only 10 bucks (completely unrealistic, not the $10 part but the Whole Foods part) I thought the last challenge was one of the best ever on the show.

I think this will be a complete cluster bleep and the sad part is that its exactly what the producers want.


I know you're aware that this last challenge was one of my favorites ever. As a man with a 12 year old grandson, who I actually do cook with, I loved every minute. Sure, the $10.00 was unrealistic, but many of the chefs did great things with the little amount of cash they were given.

When Denny saw it he pointed out that we, together, had made variations on what Antonia and Spike made. We've even made dishes that utilized peanut butter, though we never had the bright idea of pairing it with tomatoes.

This is beside the point, but I can only imagine how lonely Antonia is without her child. Denny is on a school trip to New York, and when I woke up this morning, and he wasn't here, the house was so freaking quiet. All my friends have said that Drew and I should enjoy this time by ourselves, but I think Drew is just as lonely and miserable as I am. Denny is the light of our lives, so being without your child would seem to be untenable. I hate it.

Okay, Bear, back to the freaking subject.

Can anyone remember any dish from the wedding challenge on season one? The only thing I can remember is they used a boxed cake mix, and that several people got shells in their slice of cake. I'm not a pro, and I've never had that happen. It was sad, and I expect no better this time around.
WhataJoke
QUOTE (teleburst @ May 3, 2008 - 12:58 PM) *
Let's not forget that he's a professional - a professional food person, not a professional media or internet person. I'm sure that he's getting a serious education in it after four seasons, but I'm pretty sure that this doesn't come all that naturally to him.

Deleting the comments when updating a blog sounds like a syndrome of the same thing that gets us a board for every other episode - sounds like a possible IT issue. The laziness and sloppiness might very well be in that department. Of course, it could be censorship <shrug>

I'm glad that you hold Tom up to such standards, since you seem to think that he's a liar and a fraud some of the time. I think it's just brain farts and understandable when you're blogging about long past events. Since this show is done on a relative shoestring (it appears) and with a very tight production schedule, I'd be surprised if they have production assistant time to provide Tom with "blogging notes".

As to the normal person's yearly salary thing, yeah, that's about a half a week's sales in one of his restaurants. I'm sure he's well-paid for his 3 weeks (and ancillary stuff that he's required to do). He probably gets far more boost in his income and business success from the publicity than he does from actually getting a paycheck.

He's not doing me or you a favor by doing the show. But don't try to make it sound like his little tiny blog should be perfect or all-emcompassing either. It's probably almost as much of an afterthought as it is a little tiny portion of the contract. But you should be thankful that he seems to consider it a bit of an afterthought. Otherwise, you would have very little ammo to support your theories.

He's NOT in the presence of the chefs for the most part. Do I care about whether Andrew might be upset that he's not Tom's drinking buddy like Sam is? Not in the least. Am I glad that the blog was corrected to give him the credit he deserved? Sure.

I'd certainly give Tom and Bravo a suggestion. He (and all of the bloggers) should submit his/their blog/s to a continuity person before it/they gets posted. that way they could correct errors without having some intern do it after the fact. Of course, that's assuming that they have the script supervisor available on the clock to do it. Of course, you'd probably consider that person "spin doctor" so it's probably a no-win.



Yes I'm sure blogging is not his main professional arena. It's part of the job he took however and like it or not it absolutely impacts his credibility.

Deleting the blog and the comments to edit one sentence is absolutely censorship. If a e-impared clown like me can figure out a way to salvage old posts on a deleted thread then I'd like to think the guys they pay to run this site can figure out a way to edit one sentence on a blog without [expletive deleted] canning the whole thing. If not I'll be sending the BBB my resume tomorrow.

I do hold Tom up to high standards. He's obviously a very successful and respected business person and aside from thinking he holds grudges I can't say a bad thing about him. Do I think Tom is a liar and a fraud? No. Unfortunately being invovled in a reality show does not lend itself to maintaining high moral standards. And aside from one show I have seen, It comes with the territory. However he's not exactly complaining about it either. Again it's just a reality show. And trust me if Tom and the other Judges blogging wanted notes taken there are hundreds of kids out of school that would jump at the poverty level salary and experience that being a production intern would provide.

I have said before that the PR form this show has been invalubile for Tom. He's gone from being well known to mainly foodies to being well known. That's huge.

And I'm not saying that the blog should be all encompassing, but damn at least get the names of the people who won right. If he can't rememeber that how the hell do we expect him to remember why they eliminated someone. And believe it or not I'd enjoy the show much more if there wasn't anything to have to gather ammo about or any theories to back up.

Did I say anything about Andrew wanting to be Tom's drinking buddy? Wanting to be TC's friend and expecting to get credit when you earn it are two very different things. These people take a big risk putting their reputations on the line in a less than ideal cooking environment. Yes only one person gets to take home a prize but when you excell in a challenge you should at least get a public pat on teh back from the respected host.

Oh I'm sure the Pravda Wing of Top Chef is already in the works.

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Radyms13
QUOTE (River1 @ May 3, 2008 - 12:28 PM) *
Fun!
Putting on my n00b hat: What is/was/could possibly be "Hung's Monkey"?



Hung---winner last season---made a couple of comments about things being so easy even his monkey could do them! Guess you had to be there.
Radyms13
QUOTE (SimonBao @ May 3, 2008 - 12:35 PM) *
Rady, on the preview it looks like we may get to see what they can't do.

I know it's edited for maximum drama and suspense and misdirection, but it does look like most of our heroes are pretty unhappy at Judges Table. Dale saying something to the judges like, "Well you ought to have liked it, it took him 3 hours to make it..." No smiles anywhere, on any of them, but I don't recall them showing Stephie? Omen? Probably not.

Thinking I won't enjoy this challenge, catering a wedding reception just sounds like an invitation to hell.



I was talking about the quickfire challenge ---which I think is mis en place. I love that challenge just hope it merits more than 3 minutes air time.

Wedding challenge is like they are setting the cheftestants up to fail.
dogabone
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ May 3, 2008 - 02:04 PM) *
Hung---winner last season---made a couple of comments about things being so easy even his monkey could do them! Guess you had to be there.


Hung's Monkey


They done disappeared my monkey picture! I'll have to send Hung after them with a cleaver!
WhataJoke
QUOTE (dcjewbear @ May 3, 2008 - 01:53 PM) *
I know you're aware that this last challenge was one of my favorites ever. As a man with a 12 year old grandson, who I actually do cook with, I loved every minute. Sure, the $10.00 was unrealistic, but many of the chefs did great things with the little amount of cash they were given.

When Denny saw it he pointed out that we, together, had made variations on what Antonia and Spike made. We've even made dishes that utilized peanut butter, though we never had the bright idea of pairing it with tomatoes.

This is beside the point, but I can only imagine how lonely Antonia is without her child. Denny is on a school trip to New York, and when I woke up this morning, and he wasn't here, the house was so freaking quiet. All my friends have said that Drew and I should enjoy this time by ourselves, but I think Drew is just as lonely and miserable as I am. Denny is the light of our lives, so being without your child would seem to be untenable. I hate it.

Okay, Bear, back to the freaking subject.

Can anyone remember any dish from the wedding challenge on season one? The only thing I can remember is they used a boxed cake mix, and that several people got shells in their slice of cake. I'm not a pro, and I've never had that happen. It was sad, and I expect no better this time around.


Harold made something with Salmon because he was bummed about the grocer they went to only having frozen. I think Stephen made some type of Ravioli and I want to say someone made a bird's nest type dish.

Aside from that I have no clue and even those could be wrong.

Personally I think cooking is a great way to build a child's overall confidence while giving them important life skills.
River1
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ May 3, 2008 - 03:04 PM) *
Hung---winner last season---made a couple of comments about things being so easy even his monkey could do them! Guess you had to be there.



Thanks! I watched last season, but I didn't remember. Par for the course smile.gif
teleburst
QUOTE (WhataJoke @ May 3, 2008 - 01:59 PM) *
Yes I'm sure blogging is not his main professional arena. It's part of the job he took however and like it or not it absolutely impacts his credibility.

Deleting the blog and the comments to edit one sentence is absolutely censorship. If a e-impared clown like me can figure out a way to salvage old posts on a deleted thread then I'd like to think the guys they pay to run this site can figure out a way to edit one sentence on a blog without [expletive deleted] canning the whole thing. If not I'll be sending the BBB my resume tomorrow.

I do hold Tom up to high standards. He's obviously a very successful and respected business person and aside from thinking he holds grudges I can't say a bad thing about him. Do I think Tom is a liar and a fraud? No. Unfortunately being invovled in a reality show does not lend itself to maintaining high moral standards. And aside from one show I have seen, It comes with the territory. However he's not exactly complaining about it either. Again it's just a reality show. And trust me if Tom and the other Judges blogging wanted notes taken there are hundreds of kids out of school that would jump at the poverty level salary and experience that being a production intern would provide.

I have said before that the PR form this show has been invalubile for Tom. He's gone from being well known to mainly foodies to being well known. That's huge.

And I'm not saying that the blog should be all encompassing, but damn at least get the names of the people who won right. If he can't rememeber that how the hell do we expect him to remember why they eliminated someone. And believe it or not I'd enjoy the show much more if there wasn't anything to have to gather ammo about or any theories to back up.

Did I say anything about Andrew wanting to be Tom's drinking buddy? Wanting to be TC's friend and expecting to get credit when you earn it are two very different things. These people take a big risk putting their reputations on the line in a less than ideal cooking environment. Yes only one person gets to take home a prize but when you excell in a challenge you should at least get a public pat on teh back from the respected host.

Oh I'm sure the Pravda Wing of Top Chef is already in the works.

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<shrug>
kanigirrrrl
QUOTE (teleburst @ May 3, 2008 - 03:07 PM) *
<shrug>


On the subject of Judge's blog accuracy. I tend to think it falls under the category of Could Be A Lot Better.

For instance. Gail's blog this week has this: ...Nikki’s One-Pot Roasted Chicken with Apple and Mixed Vegetables, Cucumber and Tomato Salad was familiar enough that everyone could identify with it, but her addition of brussel sprouts and apples... and if you click on the link? Guess where you go? Not Bravo's internal recipe site but Gail's own magazine site, Food and Wine and a recipe that includes potatoes, asparagus, and chicken breasts. Nikki's ACTUAL (well, as actual as we can guess) recipe has chicken thighs and drums (skin on, not nearly as healthy), brussel spouts, carrots, onions and apples. Same with Andrew's chicken. Straight to Food and Wine's site.

I just love being manipulated for the sake of internet ad revenue.
partsgirl
QUOTE (ITSJUSTMEAOD @ May 3, 2008 - 06:47 AM) *
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

JUMPIN IN A TAD PG wink.gif

I USE MY MICRO FOR MAKIN RICE biggrin.gif

NOT THE TYPE THEY USED ON THE EPISODE

KINDA WONDERED ABOUT IT..........

WAS IT PRE SEASONED???

CAN'T IMAGINE EATING THAT STUFF

I CAN MAKE IT FRESH WITH MY MICRO COOKER IN LESS THAN 10

PERFECT EVERY TIME biggrin.gif

AND WAY FASTER THAN CONVENTIONAL METHODS

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN


It was hard to tell what type of micro-rice they were using... plain or seasoned. I cannot abide that stuff. I have used the micro to cook rice like you mentioned. I'll do that to save burner room on my stove. Usually I bring the rice to a boil on the stove top, and when it almost boils to the top I turn it off and put on a tight lid. Then I just let the heat and steam work its magic. My mother always forgot to turn off the burner under the rice and it would burn. Yuck.
partsgirl
QUOTE (SimonBao @ May 3, 2008 - 12:11 PM) *
Parts, I don't often purchase any prepared foods. I'm not ideological about it, I just don't care for them or don't know what to do with them. Which is a pity, cause it's the prepared foods that are 90% of the supermarket weekly specials!

But you might try that Whole Grains blend, it's proven popular with everyone I've served it too. And serving a pile of whole grains isn't often very popular, LOL. But it's never about the quantity of carbs, it's always been about the quality of the carbs.

It can be reproduced at home, but then the task has to broken into so many steps and stages, ehhhhhhh.

Ever try a barley risotto? It's different and can be quite good. Stick some peas in it.


I stay away from processed foods as much as possible. I'm not bragging I just know I can make whatever micro-meal in that frozen foods section a heck of a lot better and healthier. If my daughter wants fish sticks I'll buy fresh fish and broil. If she wants spaghetti with red sauce, watch out! Momma's buying tomatoes!
Oh! And the barley risotto sounds fantastic. I'll give it a try.
partsgirl
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ May 3, 2008 - 12:13 PM) *
Hung is the master---beautiful knife skills!!

I love this challenge and I'm hoping, now that they are down to 8, we actually get to see what they can do.



Oh, I hope so. I know that it has been discussed before but I do wish Bravo would expand TC to 2 hours. Lord knows they probably have enough footage for it. Not reopening a can of worms here... just saying. They could show us more JT, more QF and EC and STILL have plenty of time to show the drama and Padma hair flips.
BreBaby
Random Comment:
Just looked at the chef home picture blogs, Spike & Ryans were adorable! I love looking at those & kind of getting a better idea of who they are.
Very cute!
BreBaby
QUOTE (partsgirl @ May 3, 2008 - 04:42 PM) *
Oh, I hope so. I know that it has been discussed before but I do wish Bravo would expand TC to 2 hours. Lord knows they probably have enough footage for it. Not reopening a can of worms here... just saying. They could show us more JT, more QF and EC and STILL have plenty of time to show the drama and Padma hair flips.


LoL, she does love to flip that hair.
I've always felt like it should be two hours long, I feel so jipped when they rush through everything, especially in the begining when there is so many contestants. I think it'll get real good getting down to the nitty gritty though.
johnw
QUOTE (WhataJoke @ May 3, 2008 - 02:16 PM) *
Harold made something with Salmon because he was bummed about the grocer they went to only having frozen. I think Stephen made some type of Ravioli and I want to say someone made a bird's nest type dish.

Aside from that I have no clue and even those could be wrong.

Personally I think cooking is a great way to build a child's overall confidence while giving them important life skills.


WAJ,

Harold's salmon was probably the worse dish of what was served to the wedding guests. If it weren't for Stephen's repeat performance of bad FOH, Harold might have been on the chopping block. As for the eggshells that Bear asked about, both you and I and anyone else who viewed that episode knows that the likely eggshell culprit was Tiffani - one camera shot showed her breaking eggs over the cake mix.

As for who cooked what other than Harold, like you I can't remember.

A lot of things said by Tom and Gail I found to be questionable.
SimonBao
QUOTE (Radyms13 @ May 3, 2008 - 12:13 PM) *
Hung is the master---beautiful knife skills!!

I love this challenge and I'm hoping, now that they are down to 8, we actually get to see what they can do.


Somewhere recently I saw a reference to Hung as The Secretariat of Top Chefs. Certainly he is in a class ahead of Ilan.

Outside of Quickfires, and his Fruit Loopy Happy Time Wonderland breakfast, Hung really stumbled badly only twice. His canape, and his Latin Lunch. And I still think it's possible he doesn't know Latin and simply knew to look on the back of Goya Sazon seasoning packs to find a recipe for Arroz con Pollo. rolleyes.gif

But I don't think this season's final and winner will unseat Hung...
River1
QUOTE (SimonBao @ May 4, 2008 - 07:48 AM) *
Somewhere recently I saw a reference to Hung as The Secretariat of Top Chefs. Certainly he is in a class ahead of Ilan.

Outside of Quickfires, and his Fruit Loopy Happy Time Wonderland breakfast, Hung really stumbled badly only twice. His canape, and his Latin Lunch. And I still think it's possible he doesn't know Latin and simply knew to look on the back of Goya Sazon seasoning packs to find a recipe for Arroz con Pollo. rolleyes.gif

But I don't think this season's final and winner will unseat Hung...


Sorta interesting trivia--when an autopsy was performed on Secretariat, vets discovered his heart was at least two sizes larger than normal (opposite of the Grinch). Which CT this year has a double-sized heart?
SimonBao
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 4, 2008 - 08:27 AM) *
Oh and btw..What do you do for a living again???

I mean you should write for television or
movies..... no lie...But I keep seeing peeps asking you if you would go on TC....I know you are a great cook but unless you have ever been a professional chef....would they take you or anyone like that???

Without some sort of chef experience in a restaurant or
other professional situations.....would they even let someone try out I wonder??


Kristl, I am a desk monkey. Office serf. Text-based automaton. A researcher and policy analyst.

I would hope TC would never take a "cook," and only ever take people with professional experience as chefs. (And never again a first-year culinary institute student!)

There is overlap between a "cook" and a "chef" but they're by no means the same thing. I would never enjoy being a chef because I really only enjoy cooking for people I know and care about. It's a kind of personal thing that revolves around the folks eating the food, and my relationship with them, rather than revolve around what's on the plate.

I think it's not just plausible but probably necessary for Stephie to be motivated about what she's cooking and plating, no matter who it is for. Even if it is for a zoo staff party, a wedding, catering to people she'll never know or care about.

Me, I'd want nothing to do with any of that, ever....
SimonBao
QUOTE (SimonBao @ May 4, 2008 - 09:28 AM) *
I would hope TC would never take a "cook," and only ever take people with professional experience as chefs. (And never again a first-year culinary institute student!)

Me, I'd want nothing to do with any of that, ever....

Kristl, to emphasize and illustrate my point... when I'm asked to make foods for people I don't know or don't care about, my reaction ranges from (a minimum of) discomfort all the way to serious dislike and whining.

Especially at Thanksgiving or Christmas, Viet friends will ask me to make "American" holiday foods they can take to a party or give out to people. For example, what they call "holiday breads" but which are simply a variety of standard quick breads. Orange & Cranberry, Walnut & Banana, Banana & Coconut, Apples & Nuts. (Anything but pumpkin...)

I enjoy making those for me and my own to give out to our own friends, loathe the task when I have to do it so one of my friends can give them out to HIS relatives and friends.

Let me get this straight, you want me to make 6 full size loaves and 12 mini-loaves, so you can give them to your wife's relatives and friends... Leaving your wife out of it for a minute, you and I both know neither of us can stand your wife's relatives, they're Throwbacks, they're like some kind of cave-dwelling hunter/gatherer Troglodytes, those who aren't drunks are stupid when they're sober, you lie about working over-time and go watch soccer games just so you can get out of spending time with that tribe... and you want me to make holiday breads for them?

That is not the response of a chef. That is not the soul of a chef. LOL laugh.gif
Pricilla
QUOTE (partsgirl @ April 30, 2008 - 10:31 PM) *
Yeah... She looked like that during the QF... complete with "angry lips".


And DOES SHE EVER WASH HER HAIR????? OMG, if I walked into a restaurant and saw her cooking.... I'd walk out as fast as I could! What a greasy, dirty looking person! tongue.gif
NiCi
QUOTE (Pricilla @ May 4, 2008 - 10:26 AM) *
And DOES SHE EVER WASH HER HAIR????? OMG, if I walked into a restaurant and saw her cooking.... I'd walk out as fast as I could! What a greasy, dirty looking person! tongue.gif


She needed to join the boys in the bathtub!!! laugh.gif
SimonBao
For anyone still interested in Stephanie's odd pairing of peanut butter and tomatoes with stewed chicken, MafeGate, there's this bit more....

If you watched Top Chef this week you'll have seen one of the judges, Chef Tom Colicchio, repeatedly disparaging one dishes' combination of tomatoes and peanut butter as if he had no idea that it's a traditional West African combination (as traditional as an African combination of two new world plants can be, anyway). The chef who made it was clearly going for a standard chicken in peanut sauce--she served it over couscous so she knew the African origins and didn't just stumble on recipe independently--but if she explained that the fault lay in the preparation of the dish and not the conception, it didn't make it to air. The rest of the author's blog here....

Actually, it is possible that Stephanie could have spent 5 minutes explaining in detail the origins and nature of a Mafe stew and what she was going for. She still missed the mark, the dish was made without other essential seasonings, but Magical Elves might show us none of her explanation just to make her look clueless and misguided. Tomatoes & peanut butter today, smoked salmon & fluffer-nutter tomorrow.


SimonBao
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 4, 2008 - 10:58 AM) *
We don't know for sure that he didn't know that or that she didn't say it...He may have and she may have...We just don't know what was NOT said....Maybe he didn't know but she told him.
But Tom does know food and he even knows
where truffles are found and NOT found tongue.gif

YES Simon....he was right.

He may have known but it also just wasn't very good.


Keeping score, eh?

Tom might at least check Wikipedia on the truffles. And be a bit less "sure" about his risottos.

But none of that compares with Rocco asserting in all caps about how it is impossible to combine starch and fat, ever.

Monsieur... may I offer you some roux? Oh, pardonez moi, zhere is no such thing. LOL
chucole
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 4, 2008 - 09:28 AM) *
Of your lol's or Tom!! laugh.gif

Rocco and his roux biggrin.gif

The risotto... it was proved that he was right also by many.
I remember distinctly ..MANY chefs said Tom was right there.
YES you can...but it is not common or done very often by top chefs.

Signore' Bao

The discussion as I recall was that Rocco said you could find them in Italy which we know you can.
BUT Tom was being very specific saying that truffles are not USUALLY used in Southern Italian cooking and they aren't.
That is what Mediterranean food is there in Italy...Southern.
And that point I keep forgetting to mention to you that they were saying two different things.
bah fongul (I hope no one knows Italian here tongue.gif )

So see again we didn't see the rest of that conversation as it was kinda weird....They were saying different things really at the same time if you watch again.

No mention of truffles here.

http://www.lifeinitaly.com/food/italian
-regional-food-South.asp


To prove once again that 2 hours would provide more insight for everyone involved.
WhataJoke
QUOTE (johnw @ May 4, 2008 - 12:37 AM) *
WAJ,

Harold's salmon was probably the worse dish of what was served to the wedding guests. If it weren't for Stephen's repeat performance of bad FOH, Harold might have been on the chopping block. As for the eggshells that Bear asked about, both you and I and anyone else who viewed that episode knows that the likely eggshell culprit was Tiffani - one camera shot showed her breaking eggs over the cake mix.

As for who cooked what other than Harold, like you I can't remember.

A lot of things said by Tom and Gail I found to be questionable.


I just read through Kecklers recap of the episode and the guests called Harold's Salmon "bad convention food." So his was obviously the worst food hands down. However Stephen's abandonment of the kitchen was the worse crime.
As for the Eggshells, yeah Shrek has to end up getting blamed for that and it always seemed pretty sabatour-like to me.
chucole
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 4, 2008 - 09:45 AM) *
I would like three hours or even an all day marathon.

BUT can they get sponsors for that???
A two hour prime time show is highly unusual.
I wish that they would at least do a judges table prologue.
Even a quick hit of some of the
controversial stuff.....BUT do they really care??

NO..We are a minor amount of viewers here comparatively.
We are the fringe fanatics.

There are millions strong and one hour is enough for them
I am gathering......DRATS!
We could all write.... ya' never know...I will do that now.
But my one little letter won't matter. We all have to
do it.........so do it!!! rolleyes.gif

I'm NOT bossy I'm take charge wink.gif (My friend Paige)

We could compromise at 90 minutes. Hey, I'm easy. But, I ain't cheap.
helencrump
QUOTE (SimonBao @ May 3, 2008 - 07:10 AM) *
I thought of a rather wicked set-up for an Elimination Challenge. It's based on my preference that a chef really know and be able to work in at least one cuisine other than the one she/he grew up with.

I think this could work when there are about 5-6 chefs or teams.

Let chefs/teams draw knives, and on the knives appear the words:
French
Italian
Middle Eastern (or Levantine)
Caribbean
Latin
Asian (or even SE Asian)
Scandinavian
Iberian

The actual words (cuisines) could be drawn from a list of what the chefs claim to know, on their applications.

Pause briefly to allow the chefs to try to trade away a cuisine they do not know for one they do know. Bit of drama, as Dale knows French perfectly well but has no intention of surrendering Asian to Lisa...

Once that settles down, announce that they're serving dishes rooted in those cuisines to 10 diners, and now it's time to draw knives to determine the order of their dishes. First course through to last course.

Pause briefly to allow the chefs to try to trade away that first course Scandinavian dish, cause they got nothin', for a fifth course they might succeed with. Bit of drama, as Richard knows what do in any situation, except a final course.

In any case, a chance to see what the chefs really know a lot about cuisines other than their own.

Or, have those knives include the names of some specific American cuisines, as some chefs are as unlikely to know those as to know Iberian.
New England
Southern
Tex-Mex
Southwest
California
Native American
Cajun
Creole
Etc

Fascinatingly mischevious!!

Now, after they've had a chance to swap knives to get a "known" cuisine, do they get to swap again to get the course they want?

Who could get the short end of that stick . . . er, knife?
helencrump
QUOTE (kizzy2341 @ May 3, 2008 - 04:17 AM) *
You know if you are cooking for yourself and you want to use the same spoon that is one thing, but for other people THAT IS GROSS.

You see other chef's taste their food, and they use a small spoon alot of times to taste it.

I guess to each their own, but after watching how he cooks- how many of us would want to eat at a resteraunt he is at?

double post . . . I didn't ask for it.

See below.
helencrump
QUOTE (kizzy2341 @ May 3, 2008 - 04:17 AM) *
You know if you are cooking for yourself and you want to use the same spoon that is one thing, but for other people THAT IS GROSS.

You see other chef's taste their food, and they use a small spoon alot of times to taste it.

I guess to each their own, but after watching how he cooks- how many of us would want to eat at a resteraunt he is at?

We've seen Richard do it in the taco QF. And we've seen Mark do it . . . at least twice. Do you suppose others have done it as well, and just not gotten caught on film??? Methinks, yes . . . as it seems to be a plague amongst our season's cheftestants.

LeAnn says there are plastic spoons aplenty at the cookstations for just that purpose, yet they don't seem to be using them.

Maybe they don't know they're supposed to use them. Maybe they've previously not been held to such stringent sanitary standards.

Yet, I would not call this stringent.
helencrump
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 4, 2008 - 09:58 AM) *
We don't know for sure that he didn't know that or that she didn't say it...He may have and she may have...We just don't know what was NOT said....Maybe he didn't know but she told him.
But Tom does know food and he even knows
where truffles are found and NOT found tongue.gif

YES Simon....he was right.

He may have known but it also just wasn't very good.


So, I'll just take all this as an entertaining Wednesday evening, what with magical elves doing the business they're paid to do.

Notwithstanding the editing that occurs elsewhere in TVland with the reality shows. This is the only one I watch.

But methinks all is done for maximum drama and controversy and conversation . . . that bit of "chatter" all shows want so they can be even bigger than their 60 minutes on any particular evening.

Nonetheless, the Antonia/Lisa polish sausage item reeks in my craw when Ted says they did use it.

They didn't.

Make it work!!!
HelenaHandbasket
QUOTE (Pricilla @ May 4, 2008 - 09:26 AM) *
And DOES SHE EVER WASH HER HAIR????? OMG, if I walked into a restaurant and saw her cooking.... I'd walk out as fast as I could! What a greasy, dirty looking person! tongue.gif


I agree! I'm betting she carries an odor that resembles a mix of B.O., hemp, old grease and dirty Birkenstock feet. Phewey! blink.gif
NiCi
QUOTE (helencrump @ May 4, 2008 - 04:30 PM) *
So, I'll just take all this as an entertaining Wednesday evening, what with magical elves doing the business they're paid to do.

Notwithstanding the editing that occurs elsewhere in TVland with the reality shows. This is the only one I watch.

But methinks all is done for maximum drama and controversy and conversation . . . that bit of "chatter" all shows want so they can be even bigger than their 60 minutes on any particular evening.

Nonetheless, the Antonia/Lisa polish sausage item reeks in my craw when Ted says they did use it.

They didn't.

Make it work!!!


Helen, I can just picture the *snaps fingers three times* with your last sentence! biggrin.gif
I agree, no matter which way you slice it, twarnt no polish sausage in thar!!!!!
KSboy
QUOTE (KSBEAR @ May 1, 2008 - 11:20 PM) *
Hey, KS...good to see you back on the boards. How was the vacation?

I have to say I agree with you. This week the weaker dish didn't go home. Lisa is good TV...Stephanie had an off week...poor Mark didn't have enough protien.

Great to see you here...How are things, my friend?


From one KS to the other, I'm doing great. As I noted elsewhere on these boards, I got overwhelmed at work after vacation, and stayed away from these boards until I could get my head above water. Now, I'm enjoying the show, even if I'm increasingly scratching my head in bewilderment at some of the judges' decisions.

We've got a houseful of my inlaws staying with us right now for a family reunion, so I'm taking a quick personal breather long enough to get on line for a while.
KSBEAR
QUOTE (KSboy @ May 4, 2008 - 04:16 PM) *
From one KS to the other, I'm doing great. As I noted elsewhere on these boards, I got overwhelmed at work after vacation, and stayed away from these boards until I could get my head above water. Now, I'm enjoying the show, even if I'm increasingly scratching my head in bewilderment at some of the judges' decisions.

We've got a houseful of my inlaws staying with us right now for a family reunion, so I'm taking a quick personal breather long enough to get on line for a while.


Dealing with family issues myself right now. Except mine is off watching over an elderly aunt who broke bones last weekend. Batching it with the dog...mowing the lawn for the second time this week (damn rain)...and cooking a big pot of chili. Never did learn how to make a batch for one. Good thing it freezes well!
HelenaHandbasket
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ April 30, 2008 - 09:39 PM) *
You made me laugh very hard.
(Oy hard again)
Chuc.... Queen of the meat balls with pineapple wacko.gif

Disclaimer:.

The T-Shirt below DOES come with the man included tongue.gif





LMAO...that shirt is from one of the greatest movies ever made. laugh.gif
Fordmanrod
QUOTE (WhataJoke @ May 3, 2008 - 01:24 PM) *
Bear I'll even go so far as saying that it was my least favorite challenge ever on the show. Awful premise for the quickfire, completely unrealistic time frame and just all around cruel to the couple who were most likely hoodwinked into going along with the idea. There was not one chance that these chefs were going to do well let alone excell.

And aside from going to Whole foods with only 10 bucks (completely unrealistic, not the $10 part but the Whole Foods part) I thought the last challenge was one of the best ever on the show.

I think this will be a complete cluster bleep and the sad part is that its exactly what the producers want.


I have to agree with you on this past weeks elim challange. I enjoyed it more than just about any of the past seasons challanges. TC was able to hit me where I live ( except shopping at Whole Foods)... the concept of putting a good meal together for 10 bucks is life in the real world. Adding the kids as helpers was a bonus..... it showed that kids can work in the kitchen and how a family can gain real quality time with thier kids by letting them help.
Fordmanrod
QUOTE (WhataJoke @ May 4, 2008 - 11:02 AM) *
I just read through Kecklers recap of the episode and the guests called Harold's Salmon "bad convention food." So his was obviously the worst food hands down. However Stephen's abandonment of the kitchen was the worse crime.
As for the Eggshells, yeah Shrek has to end up getting blamed for that and it always seemed pretty sabatour-like to me.


I have not re-watched that episode but as I remember it besides the eggshells the judges were not happy with the fact that they used a cake mix for the cake.
HelenaHandbasket
My award for best line from episode #8 goes to Andrew: "I've got a culinary boner." biggrin.gif
lkbrose
QUOTE (partsgirl @ May 3, 2008 - 11:01 AM) *
I think Lisa is a "biatch". She reminds me of Tiffany in season 1 - without the cooking chops.

She was "too good" to make Polish sausage -- which was her primary ingredient. Altough I like Antonia - this is the second time she didn't use the correct ingredients (Remember the gorilla food -- LAMB)

I think Dale has a right to go off on her. First she didn't want to collaborate on the Fire element (she shot everything down) and then she ends up winning for making "bacon". I think we should just call this the bacon contest -- if you use it you'll win.

I hate the fact they are doing wedding wars. These people get no sleep, no budget -- and this is a big day for the people getting married.

I'd much prefer the restaurant wars (without the redux - poor Tre) because they don't effect people's lives.
NiCi
QUOTE (HelenaHandbasket @ May 4, 2008 - 06:22 PM) *
My award for best line from episode #8 goes to Andrew: "I've got a culinary boner." biggrin.gif


Ewwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!! ohmy.gif
johnw
QUOTE (Fordmanrod @ May 4, 2008 - 05:09 PM) *
I have not re-watched that episode but as I remember it besides the eggshells the judges were not happy with the fact that they used a cake mix for the cake.


Tom gave the chefs a pass on the cake mix because of the time element and the fact that if the wedding cake was a flop there would be no wedding cake. Certainly a cake made from scratch would be more than likely to be a disaster since no one was a pastry chef.
Bed & Breakfast
Hey everyone!

I have been incredibly busy, and have only read the first 10 pages. I have noticed, however, that my name has been taken in vain, (so to speak), so I decided I better write something out now, before I catch up with my reading.

I have decided, however, to take a slightly different approach, so that we don't end up having this board become a B&B/WAJ, Point/Counterpoint, as it seem to have the last couple of weeks. Instead, I'm just going to write a post why this week's elimination fit exactly into my "All About the Food" theory, and a second post on why it totally disproves the "ratings/fixed" theory. Simply my opinions, stated frankly, without all the back and forth. So .... onward!

For this week not to be about the food, you have to accept the concept that "off-putting" equals "inedible". It sure doesn't to me, for a couple of reasons. First, in my lexicon, on a scale of 0 to 10, off-putting could be anywhere from a 2 to a 5. It is a subjective term, and relies on personal taste. I find even the slightest amount of dill to be off-putting, but my wife loves it. Conversely, she is very sensitive to cilantro, whereas I love it. Neither would render any dish inedible; we just wouldn't care for the flavor combinations.

Secondly, we have seen off-putting many times before, and to my recollection, it has never been grounds for elimination, at least not on it's own. The first example that comes to mind is Casey's mole at Latin Lunch. Virtually no one liked it, yet she was not eliminated. When queried, she responded that it had turned out the way she wanted it to, so it came down to a matter of personal taste, and cheftestants are rarely eliminated for matters that can be considered personal taste, unless it's something like too much salt (and then the cheftestant usually makes the mistake of admitting there was too much at JT, instead of standing behind the dish).

So, by the end of JT, we had a dish that the judges didn't like the flavor profile of (though some people might, especially children), Mark's lousy curry, (which I thought was a mistake when he started talking about it), and an under-seasoned dish. (Frankly, all things being equal, I thought "under-seasoned" had a better chance of going home than did "off-putting"

As one of the three dishes was not distinctly worse than the others, the judges (as I've always maintained they do when there is not a clear "worst" dish), went to the next level of criteria; execution of the concept. As this was supposed to be a "family friendly" dish that people could replicate easily at home, Mark's dish was clearly the loser among the three. While you do not have to serve meat at every meal, a truly "family friendly", healthy meal does have to have protein. Mark was evidently oblivious to that fact, or that he could have a vegetarian dish that could supply the daily requirement of protein by adding things like beans, nuts or soy products. The other two dishes, though flawed, did provide at least some semblance of vitamins and proteins. His did not, thus he was eliminated, and it was for the food he prepared.

So, far from being "my worst nightmare", once again the judging was about the food.

My next post will explain why I think this, if not a "nightmare" for WAJ's point of view, it was at least a bad dream.






Bed & Breakfast


Ok, here's why I believe this elimination was certainly not about "ratings".

First, I pretty much dispute the idea of any of the eliminations being about ratings. For that to be true, the producers would have to look at the 2, 3 or 4 people eligible for elimination and tell the judges which one to send home. This, besides being illegal, would mean that the judges are just figureheads. I don't for one second that any of the judges, especially ones like Anthony Boudain and Daniel Boulod, would risk sullying their reputations in that manner. There is just too little to gain and too much to lose.

In the case of Mark's elimination, it doesn't even make sense. It goes against reason to think that either of the other two would bolster ratings more than he would. If I were a producer, Mark is the one person among those three that I would want to keep. He scores high with females from 18 to 42 because they think the little "Kiwi" is cute (just read the boards here). He also does well with males who like the "Dumb and Dumber/Thompson Brothers/Cheech and Chong" attitude he brings to the show. And, considering the "flavor of the week" definition seems to be controversy, well, past actions are the best predictors of future behavior, and who better to keep around than someone who has already "called out" the head judge? My gosh, I would be salivating to here what he would say the next time he was at JT.

No, if I were manipulating the eliminations for ratings, I would have sent either of the other two home before letting go of Mark.

Well, that's my opinion. I'll be interested to see how others have explained this week's outcome. Hopefully I can get caught up before Wed.

Bed & Breakfast
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 5, 2008 - 01:11 AM) *
[/b]Was your name taken in vein??
(I know you are tounge and cheeky here..no fights wink.gif )

I didn't see that as I might have stopped reading
WAJ 'cept for the highlights of conspiracy wacko.gif

See..we agree of course...But now I'm even thinking beyond that...We see that they didn't like the mole....But we see so little... So many other things could have been said.
They only show us the bad to throw us off or good.

I mean Padma could have said

It tasted terrible like cough syrup...but Gail could have said No way I loved it and Tom too. They may not have shown us peeps who liked Hung's rice on purpose....SEE???
Just an example...Even what you say is based on the little we hear...We have to throw all that out the window from now.
It is NOT reflective of what is really happening.

BTW ....Glad to see you back.....You were missed.

The only way I would take your name in
vein is............oh never mind. tongue.gif


Actually, I was almost swayed for a minute when the editors showed us the clip of Padma using the word "disgusting". But then I remembered it was Padma, and how much her opinion matters. lol

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