Kristl, I love ya like a sister, but I can give you one incontrovertible reason why I'm a better judge of Marcel than you are.


I'm a gay man, and I know an a*****e when I see one.

I wanna see it! I've been looking for audition tapes from current and past cheftestants and have come up short so far. All I've seen are other hopefuls that never got picked, and I sadly discovered who wins this season (they opened their restraunt last week! Which is crap! Why would they be allowed to open before we, the people, see who wins?!)

Kristl, if you are asking me that question honestly, despite having watched what I watched, then I do not believe that 16 hours of footage of Marcel being contemptuous and disdainful will convince you...

From my point of view, Marcel was disgusting. That shouldn't be taken to exonerate anyone else for bad behavior. That was the Season of Bad Behavior. But Marcel? No....... he was Puck.

Good thing I stocked up on paper towels Jim

Hon you don't know he won!! His restaurant was probably in the works before he went on the show. The $100,000 prize money isn't necessarily earmarked for a restaurant.

That couldn't possibly be because, in the very first challenge, he claimed he was put in the bottom four because the other chefs felt threatened by him, could it?

If I were in a competition and someone said that, I'd think, "OK, you need to get over yourself, because I just did!"

What else would they use the money for? In the opening, Padme says "And $100,000 to make their culinary dreams a reality".

I would make my restraunt "Travisio's!" It's myrestraunt idea... 3 sections to it: 1) a nice looking section with white pickets and vines growing that serves seafood, steaks, and italian food. 2) an area that's blocked off with wooden wall sthat will be the bar area and the only place smoking is allowed. All bar food (burgers, quesedillas, fried foods). 3) a section in a bit plexiglass room for kids! All kid foods (mac & cheese, grilled cheese, burgers, hot dogs, tacos, etc), with over-sized tables and giant bean bag chairs.

Hee hee hee--is it that obvious?

Richard, if you're reading this, don't worry--you're safe from my advances, given that you're (1) straight, (2) married, and (3) living in Atlanta (long distance is such a pain).

We remember all of Marcel's infractions because there were so many to choose from. As for Otto--Otto was a thief and a liar. Plain and simple. If that's the best Marcel can come up with for support, that's real telling.

Oh, MoHub, you are too cool!
Now, who has the windex and papertowels?
Pass em over please!!!!

Otto got hosed. They refused to let them address the lychee issue at the store. They told them that they had to go back and talk to a more senior production person. LOL. Completely manufactured drama by Bravo.

I'm with you on that one WAJ. Seemed like a convenient set up to me.
OMG. I've agreed with WAJ on so many things lately. Ok ok, I'm a convert.

I love your idea---it's like a giant playground for everyone!!! Can I work for you???

HMMM use the money---first season Tiff said if she had won she would pay off debt and travel. Harold has opened his restaurant, but Ilan hasn't done squat! Still don't know about Hung but I'll bet he does open his own restaurant and he'll be highly successful.

I love your idea---it's like a giant playground for everyone!!! Can I work for you???

Thanks! And which section would you like to work with?

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after TC methinks Marcel is gettin' laid a whole lot.

I assume that you highlighted that for a reason. Well, here's a highlight:

But there's a big problem with white rice. The majority of the nutrients in the rice kernel are in the layers that are removed. What's left is mostly starch. As refined rice is 81%-83% carbohydrates, it's considered a high energy food. But on the flip side of this, many of the nutrients needed for correct digestion of white rice were removed during the milling process which forces the body to 'steal' from it's reserves to digest it. Compared to brown rice, white rice's nutrients have been greatly reduced in fatty acids, fiber (which is already low in brown rice compared to some of the other grains), vitamin E, thiamin, riboflavin, niacin, vitamin B6, folacin, potassium, phosphorus, magnesium, iron, zinc and copper. The amino acids remain relatively unchanged.

http://waltonfeed.com/self/rice.html

Because of the importance of consuming proteins that provide all of the necessary amino acids, dietary proteins are considered to belong to two different groups, depending on the amino acids they provide. Complete proteins, which constitute the first group, contain ample amounts of all of the essential amino acids. These proteins are found in meat, fish, poultry, cheese, eggs, and milk. Incomplete proteins, which constitute the second group, contain only some of the essential amino acids. These proteins are found in a variety of foods, including grains, legumes, and leafy green vegetables.

Although it is important to consume the full range of amino acids, both essential and nonessential, it is not necessary to get them from meat, fish, poultry, and other complete-protein foods. In fact, because of their high fat content-as well as the use of antibiotics and other chemicals in the raising of poultry and cattle-most of those foods should be eaten in moderation. Fortunately, the dietary strategy called mutual supplementation enables you to combine partial-protein foods to make complementary protein-proteins that supply adequate amounts of all the essential amino acids. For instance, although beans and brown rice are both quite rich in protein, each lacks one or more of the necessary amino acids. However, when you combine beans and brown rice with each other, or when you combine either one with any of a number of protein-rich foods, you form a complete protein that is a high-quality substitute for meat.

http://1stholistic.com/Nutrition/hol_nutr_protein.htm

So, once again, all he had to do was add a few beans and he would have been fine. He made up for some of the vitamins and minerals stripped from the rice by using sweet potatoes.

In fairness, I was able to find a producer of white rice that claims that rice has all 8 essential amino acids. Which is fine except that there are, for all practical purposes 10 (two have been added to the list of necessary amino acids, one of which is considered "essential" for children). And rice is seriously lacking in at least two of the "classical 8") amino acids. Remember that you have to not only have the amino acids present, but you have to have sufficient quantities to be useful.

That's why you add legumes or meat proteins to "round out" the protein in rice, and why you need a source of vitamins and minerals (like the sweet potato) to fill in what milling takes away in the case of white rice.

Finally, the percentage is protein vs. caloric content of white rice is far lower than for most beans. So, while there's protein present, it's not of the quantity that you'll find in other forms of protein. That's why you find in rice eating cultures that they combine rice with meat or bean proteins. They don't generally just eat rice with veggies. India is a good example. They have their share of vegetarians, and they don't put beans in their curries generally. But they serve their lentils and such as a side dish. And beans by themselves aren't "a complete meal" either, even when combined with something as "nutritious" as sweet potatoes or other veggies. It's only nutritious up to a point.

Just having all 8 "classically essential" amino acids doesn't make a food a complete meal either. Milk has all 8 of them as well (as does a nice thick ribeye steak). But no one says that a glass of milk is a "nutritious meal", even though it's chock-a-block full of vitamins and minerals as well. The key word is "balanced".

Laid? More like layed out by girls throwing wine bottles.

Good thing I stocked up on paper towels Jim

Season 2 may have been the overall "Season of Bad Behavior," if you are looking at the large number of cheftestants who exhibited pathetically bad behavior at least once.

But Season 4 is certainly giving S2 a run for the money in this regards. There may not be as many rude, obnoxious, arrogant characters as there were in S2. However, the S4 bad-behavior chefs that are still there (or who have, thankfully, already been eliminated) are just as bad as anyone in S2 or any other season. Frankly, Lisa, on her own, is more contemptuous and irritating than all the jerks in S2 combined.

Marcel even pissed off the season 1 chefs during the All Star special. And he knew them for all of oh 15 minutes. LOL He's a d-bag.

Oh Jim really he's just so misunderstood. LMAO Marcel said he was coming on the show to not make friends, alienated everyone around him and got preferential treatment from production. Just look at the Marcel Frank incident. One second he was bragging about how he threw everyones stuff on the floor. The next second he's tell Frank a slightly different tune.

HMMM use the money---first season Tiff said if she had won she would pay off debt and travel. Harold has opened his restaurant, but Ilan hasn't done squat! Still don't know about Hung but I'll bet he does open his own restaurant and he'll be highly successful.

I love your idea---it's like a giant playground for everyone!!! Can I work for you???

And 4) the fact that he wants a bunch o lil Blaizes runnin round the place?!

If you're talking about him snapping at Betty, I don't think either of them was in the wrong--Betty didn't hear the production crew telling them to wait, and assumed Marcel was "snapping" at her when he called her to stop. But the fact that every other chef sided with her should tell you all you need to know about how he'd been dealing with them up until that point.

Hey Darth Pervertus,

In return for borrowing your graphics for a post, I made your virgin post a bit easier to read. Red lettering is hard on the eyes.

I don't agree with everything you said, but it's clear that you tried (maybe a bit too hard) to be entertaining, and that should be flattering to everyone on this board.

I am primarily a fan of Project Runway like your better half, but I am trying out Top Chef for a season. It would be fun to have a husband/wife team post on the Project Runway board this July! If the fashions don't interest you, you could do the model commentary..

And what business of Marcel's was it that Mikey was drinking beer and taking Vicodin? Mind your own business.

And your a stoonad if you seriously re-watch that episode and don't realize that some production monkey business went on.

That is exactly how the lychee event went down according to Marrisa's Chow interview. And since we know that Bravo stations their little toadies right with the interviewed contestant we can probably assume they was a bit more monkey business than that.

And what business of Marcel's was it that Mikey was drinking beer and taking Vicodin? Mind your own business.

And your a stoonad if you seriously re-watch that episode and don't realize that some production monkey business went on.

That is exactly how the lychee event went down according to Marrisa's Chow interview. And since we know that Bravo stations their little toadies right with the interviewed contestant we can probably assume they was a bit more monkey business than that.

He just needs to get laid more than once a year. Once that happens, he should be okay.

Well we don't know what kind of rice he used. And remember the Coconut milk, Squash and Sweet Potato all bring some protien to the table as well.

He is planning on opening a restaurant in NYC, but $100K doesn't go as far here as it does elsewhere.

You realize you're contradicting yourself, don't you?

I thought Ilan was saying he hated Marcel from the first episode. Now he hates Marcel because Marcel ratted him out in the 9th episode?

Holy revisionist history, Batman!!!!!

You realize you're contradicting yourself, don't you?

I thought Ilan was saying he hated Marcel from the first episode. Now he hates Marcel because Marcel ratted him out in the 9th episode?

Holy revisionist history, Batman!!!!!