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WhataJoke
QUOTE (teleburst @ May 27, 2008 - 11:13 PM) *
However, the chefs weren't doing "improv comedy".

If an actor doesn't know the absolute rules of improv comedy, how can he or she do it in the first place? You don't just pull an actor on stage who's never done "improv comedy" (in competition) and then b1tchslap them if they do Margaret Thatcher instead of an American president of the 20th century because they think that all politicians are fair game.

My point is, unless they were very specific about how far you could improv, a chef who is used to "improvisation" might very well have a more liberal view of what could be done because of their prior experience in improvising meals.

And yet, I fully understand the idea that they stretched to limit of what they could do to suit their own biases. Which is why they DID get b1tchslapped. Had their dish had serious faults, they would have probably gone home because they were further afield than the other team.


I'm willing to bet 9 out of 10 actors know exactly what Improv comedy is and know that what the person running it or the audience yells out is what you riff on.

If the Improv topic was American Presidents of the 20th century and you did Margaret Thatcher the audience will be laughing at you instead of with you.

So then we get the "there are no hard and fast rules" speach from Baghdad Ted to justify keeping them. You say Antonia and Lisa had the better food. Sure they did because they basically cheated. Keep in mind Jen and Steph's food wasn't bad. In the judges opinion the Shenanigan Sisters (Sausage Sisters fails to take into account them deliberately bagging the Drunken part as well) made the better food.

Yet a couple episodes later Andrew gets the Ax because apparently rules are hard and fast. He forgets a whole grain in a challenge where "Low Carb" was also a rule, tries do do something creative and healthy and gets tossed for someone who tired to do something very safe and failed to execute it at every basic level of cooking. There is not possible way shape or form that the judges could say that Lisa had the better food. None Zero Nada Zip.

The common thread here? Who was the beneficiary of the judging inconsistancy both times?

The Lunch-hack.
WhataJoke
QUOTE (teleburst @ May 27, 2008 - 11:20 PM) *
Apparently you need the subtitles.



And so did Ted. Maybe they can get him a teleprompter when he's tasting the food nextime?

laugh.gif laugh.gif
WhataJoke
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 27, 2008 - 11:49 PM) *
I was so tired I slipped into my Bronx speak.
It does happen.
You can take the girl...............
Last one..I didn't mean you said she
agreed with you..You know what I meant.

May the aliens come peacefully
and take you home soon tongue.gif


Considering I'm being the one accused of spreading "Untruths" maybe you would like to elaborate?
SecondTry
QUOTE (teleburst @ May 28, 2008 - 10:17 AM) *
So, to go back to my previous example - someone throws out the word Paris. Sounds specific enough, until you find out that the audience member was thinking Paris of Helen of Troy fame because the guy just saw Eddie Izzard riff on the whole Troy thing (which he does brilliantly, I might add).


This would never happen, Lady Edgware. biggrin.gif In improv, the actors are specific in what they ask for--"Please give us a place!", "Please give us a profession!", "Please give us a kind of junk food!", etc. There would never be a situation where they asked for a place and someone would give them a fictional character.

QUOTE (teleburst @ May 28, 2008 - 10:17 AM) *
So, where was the "improv training" for the chefs? That was my point. You just don't throw someone to the wolves without teaching them a little bit about wolf teeth. These chefs were there on a "whim". The whim of the production team. It's obvious that they weren't prepped sufficiently on the hidebound rules of improv.


How hard is it to get the basics down? "You've been given an emotion, an ingredient, and a color; you have to do a dish that uses the ingredient and relates to the color and emotion." We're not talking rocket science here, Tele.

QUOTE (teleburst @ May 28, 2008 - 10:17 AM) *
I think that your acting is overwhelming your cook (you're an actor who's been in professional food). It's understandable. And it might even give you the moral high ground in arguing your case. However, until you can show me that these chefs were given the same professional courtesy that you would give to an inexperienced (in improv) actor, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, especially when their only experience in improv might be watching Robin Williams, who'll break every rule of improv in creating incredibly funny comedy.


The only professional food I've ever done is Wendy's biggrin.gif. As for Robin Williams, has he ever done improv? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. But if he hasn't, then he isn't breaking the rules of the genre, because he's not working within that genre to begin with.

As for the chefs and professional courtesy, they were given the same courtesies Richard & Dale, Spike & Andrew, and Nikki & Mark were given. They chose not to return that courtesy, and it should have cost them a lot more than it did.
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (Toad @ May 28, 2008 - 10:17 AM) *
Couple of things,
Kk - I don't remember anyone here saying Tom lied, in fact, Tom has not said they absolutely used Polish. Would be nice if he would blog and say that. Him I would trust.

Simon - you said - "NOT because 'worst dish always loses,' I'm not convinced it is as simple as that." - But thats the exact impression Ted gives with the comment "we tasted the food". Taste wins.



Hiya Toad... I hope you know I do not believe
they lie for one minute...That was a cease and
desist maneuver.... BUT haven't you read
WAJ???? wink.gif Others also.

IF Ted said there was Polish sawwsage
they say there wasn't.....what would
you call it???
Toad
QUOTE (SimonBao @ May 28, 2008 - 09:20 AM) *
Toad, what power laser are you using to split these hairs?



Well,
I think Ted's answers are smarmy, so he tends to tick me off.
But For Tom, I still get stuck on him asking "who's decision was it to use choriso, instead of polish.." The word instead tells me Ted didn't convince him at the dinner that the polish was there. I don't think that was a slip of the tongue. The use of "Downplay" the polish and use choriso makes it vague and confusing.

Also, what context are you folks using the word "riff". To me, that's a repeated cord. So, you use it as a repeated dish?
WhataJoke
QUOTE (tpsommelier @ May 28, 2008 - 05:10 AM) *
From the preview, it looks like Spike or Antonia. And we know they aren't letting any strong (halfway decent/breathing) girls go this season, so it's Spike or Richard.


Unfortunately it is very much looking that way. If you apply that theory some of the past eliminations don't seem so strange now.
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (SecondTry @ May 28, 2008 - 10:25 AM) *
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This would never happen, Lady Edgware. biggrin.gif In improv, the actors are specific in what they ask for--"Please give us a place!", "Please give us a profession!", "Please give us a kind of junk food!", etc. There would never be a situation where they asked for a place and someone would give them a fictional character.



How hard is it to get the basics down? "You've been given an emotion, an ingredient, and a color; you have to do a dish that uses the ingredient and relates to the color and emotion." We're not talking rocket science here, Tele.</FONT>



The only professional food I've ever done is Wendy's biggrin.gif . As for Robin Williams, has he ever done improv? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. But if he hasn't, then he isn't breaking the rules of the genre, because he's not working within that genre to begin with.

As for the chefs and professional courtesy, they were given the same courtesies Richard & Dale, Spike & Andrew, and Nikki & Mark were given. They chose not to return that courtesy, and it should have cost them a lot more than it did.</FONT>



But if they did use Polish sawsage
and tequila even 2 oz of
the sawsage and a little tequila??
IF ... then it would be moot.
Correctomundo???

Ahhh


See where I'm going??? tongue.gif
SimonBao
QUOTE (SimonBao @ May 28, 2008 - 10:08 AM) *
So, should the BRAVO Board Boss wander through again any time soon... do you think we might ask BRAVO to get in the habit of coming up with a Plan B?


The scene... an elevator at 30 Rockefeller Plaza. Andy Cohen is riding the elevator down to the ground floor salon to get a pedicure before hopping off to the Hamptons for an early weekend. One of the senior suits at NBC enters the elevator on the 19th floor...

NBC Suit: Some of the May Sweeps ratings have been leaked... it appears that BRAVO will not be reaching its 2008 Goals & Objectives... What exactly do you have planned for the next few months, to do something about that?

Cohen: I am so excited, can't you tell? We are bringing back Top Design, Shear Genius, and Flipping Out.

NBC Suit: Those shows tanked last time. That was like televising the nasty, leaky end of a dead dog. Are you serious? That's all you've got?

Cohen: No... um... we're also going to do some Godfather marathons.

NBC Suit: Please tell me you have a Plan B?

Cohen: Plan B? Plan B? Oh you mean blogging. YES! I'm going to spend all summer blogging about cab rides, funny and interesting people I meet, who's gay, the differences in popular gay swimwear between Fire Island and the gay beach in East Hampton. And this kicky new ottoman I just got from Jonathan Adler. Do you want to come up to my office some time and sit on it?

NBC Suit: You do know you people are all being moved out of here, don't you. And you know why. I suggest you start packing because next week you'll be out of 30 Rock and YOU HOPE you'll be working in MSNBC's old offices in East Rutherford, New Jersey.

Cohen
: Noooooooooooooooooooooo... you can't make me leave The City!

NBC Suit: (exiting the elevator) The movers will be here on Monday.

Cohen: Noooooooooooo.... wait.... Movers? That's it! What about the Real Movers of Midtown? No, wait, The Real Movers of the Upper West Side? (As the elevator door shuts). What about Top Mover? I'll audition them, we'll get 16 hot movers. Six of them can be giant lesbians in overalls... Episode One, they move Ronnie and Ben in together... (Elevator continues its highly symbolic descent)
Toad
Kk,
Yeah, I read WAJ, but I don't remember him saying Tom lied, just Ted. Personally, I don't think Ted "lied" because to me that means intent.
Think about it for a moment. You take 2oz of Choriso (Chorizo) and grind it with 2oz of Kielbasa. I defie anyone to be able to distinguish the Polish. You might think the Chorizo is too mild, but you're not instantly thinking, "gee they mixed in Polish". The Chorizo is gonna blast the Kielbasa.
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (Toad @ May 28, 2008 - 10:28 AM) *
Well,
I think Ted's answers are smarmy, so he tends to tick me off.
But For Tom, I still get stuck on him asking "who's decision was it to use choriso, instead of polish.." The word instead tells me Ted didn't convince him at the dinner that the polish was there. I don't think that was a slip of the tongue. The use of "Downplay" the polish and use choriso makes it vague and confusing.

Also, what context are you folks using the word "riff". To me, that's a repeated cord. So, you use it as a repeated dish?


OK
One day after all these cheftestent's are off this
show.... the truth of the Polish sawsage international crisis and debate of the century since they tried to shave Marcel's head will be revealed.. And you what?? Even then they won't believe!!!!



THEY WALK AMONGST US!!!!! tongue.gif
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (SimonBao @ May 28, 2008 - 10:35 AM) *
The scene... an elevator at 30 Rockefeller Plaza. Andy Cohen is riding the elevator down to the ground floor salon to get a pedicure before hopping off to the Hamptons for an early weekend. One of the senior suits at NBC enters the elevator on the 19th floor...

NBC Suit: Some of the May Sweeps ratings have been leaked... it appears that BRAVO will not be reaching its 2008 Goals & Objectives... What exactly do you have planned for the next few months, to do something about that?

Cohen: I am so excited, can't you tell? We are bringing back Top Design, Shear Genius, and Flipping Out.

NBC Suit: Those shows tanked last time. That was like televising the nasty, leaky end of a dead dog. Are you serious? That's all you've got?

Cohen: No... um... we're also going to do some Godfather marathons.

NBC Suit: Please tell me you have a Plan B?

Cohen: Plan B? Plan B? Oh you mean blogging. YES! I'm going to spend all summer blogging about cab rides, funny and interesting people I meet, who's gay, the differences in popular gay swimwear between Fire Island and the gay beach in East Hampton. And this kicky new ottoman I just got from Jonathan Adler. Do you want to come up to my office some time and sit on it?

NBC Suit: You do know you people are all being moved out of here, don't you. And you know why. I suggest you start packing because next week you'll be out of 30 Rock and YOU HOPE you'll be working in MSNBC's old offices in East Rutherford, New Jersey.

Cohen
: Noooooooooooooooooooooo... you can't make me leave The City!

NBC Suit: (exiting the elevator) The movers will be here on Monday.

Cohen: Noooooooooooo.... wait.... Movers? That's it! What about the Real Movers of Midtown? No, wait, The Real Movers of the Upper West Side? (As the elevator door shuts). What about Top Mover? I'll audition them, we'll get 16 hot movers. Six of them can be giant lesbians in overalls... Episode One, they move Ronnie and Ben in together... (Elevator continues its highly symbolic descent)



laugh.gif


Ow Simon........YOU do work for Bravo!

You know them so well.

Don't bring up elevator around Tele tongue.gif
Radyms13
QUOTE (SimonBao @ May 28, 2008 - 10:35 AM) *
The scene... an elevator at 30 Rockefeller Plaza. Andy Cohen is riding the elevator down to the ground floor salon to get a pedicure before hopping off to the Hamptons for an early weekend. One of the senior suits at NBC enters the elevator on the 19th floor...

NBC Suit: Some of the May Sweeps ratings have been leaked... it appears that BRAVO will not be reaching its 2008 Goals & Objectives... What exactly do you have planned for the next few months, to do something about that?

Cohen: I am so excited, can't you tell? We are bringing back Top Design, Shear Genius, and Flipping Out.

NBC Suit: Those shows tanked last time. That was like televising the nasty, leaky end of a dead dog. Are you serious? That's all you've got?

Cohen: No... um... we're also going to do some Godfather marathons.

NBC Suit: Please tell me you have a Plan B?

Cohen: Plan B? Plan B? Oh you mean blogging. YES! I'm going to spend all summer blogging about cab rides, funny and interesting people I meet, who's gay, the differences in popular gay swimwear between Fire Island and the gay beach in East Hampton. And this kicky new ottoman I just got from Jonathan Adler. Do you want to come up to my office some time and sit on it?

NBC Suit: You do know you people are all being moved out of here, don't you. And you know why. I suggest you start packing because next week you'll be out of 30 Rock and YOU HOPE you'll be working in MSNBC's old offices in East Rutherford, New Jersey.

Cohen
: Noooooooooooooooooooooo... you can't make me leave The City!

NBC Suit: (exiting the elevator) The movers will be here on Monday.

Cohen: Noooooooooooo.... wait.... Movers? That's it! What about the Real Movers of Midtown? No, wait, The Real Movers of the Upper West Side? (As the elevator door shuts). What about Top Mover? I'll audition them, we'll get 16 hot movers. Six of them can be giant lesbians in overalls... Episode One, they move Ronnie and Ben in together... (Elevator continues its highly symbolic descent)


Simon not only did I have to clean the monitor......I may be in the market for Depends!!!
Superannualted





SAW-sidge






POH-lish saw-SAHGE


KSboy
QUOTE (SimonBao @ May 28, 2008 - 10:35 AM) *
The scene... an elevator at 30 Rockefeller Plaza. Andy Cohen is riding the elevator down to the ground floor salon to get a pedicure before hopping off to the Hamptons for an early weekend. One of the senior suits at NBC enters the elevator on the 19th floor...

NBC Suit: Some of the May Sweeps ratings have been leaked... it appears that BRAVO will not be reaching its 2008 Goals & Objectives... What exactly do you have planned for the next few months, to do something about that?

Cohen: I am so excited, can't you tell? We are bringing back Top Design, Shear Genius, and Flipping Out.

NBC Suit: Those shows tanked last time. That was like televising the nasty, leaky end of a dead dog. Are you serious? That's all you've got?

Cohen: No... um... we're also going to do some Godfather marathons.

NBC Suit: Please tell me you have a Plan B?

Cohen: Plan B? Plan B? Oh you mean blogging. YES! I'm going to spend all summer blogging about cab rides, funny and interesting people I meet, who's gay, the differences in popular gay swimwear between Fire Island and the gay beach in East Hampton. And this kicky new ottoman I just got from Jonathan Adler. Do you want to come up to my office some time and sit on it?

NBC Suit: You do know you people are all being moved out of here, don't you. And you know why. I suggest you start packing because next week you'll be out of 30 Rock and YOU HOPE you'll be working in MSNBC's old offices in East Rutherford, New Jersey.

Cohen
: Noooooooooooooooooooooo... you can't make me leave The City!

NBC Suit: (exiting the elevator) The movers will be here on Monday.

Cohen: Noooooooooooo.... wait.... Movers? That's it! What about the Real Movers of Midtown? No, wait, The Real Movers of the Upper West Side? (As the elevator door shuts). What about Top Mover? I'll audition them, we'll get 16 hot movers. Six of them can be giant lesbians in overalls... Episode One, they move Ronnie and Ben in together... (Elevator continues its highly symbolic descent)


Simon, you have outdone yourself. On that new, stupid reality award show that Bravo's been hyping, you should win hands down for most creative, most hilarious, and best overall posts.

Absolutely genius!
WhataJoke
QUOTE (Zia @ May 28, 2008 - 08:24 AM) *
What is clear from all of the chatter about sausage is that no one cept Lisa and Antonia actually know if they served Polish sausage to the judges.


Thank you! If there was Polish sausage where was the Bravo front page announcement like we got from the Lettuce/Cabbage issue? All we have is people going through footage to see what someone might have ment and screen caps of different shades of sausage.

QUOTE (Zia @ May 28, 2008 - 08:24 AM) *
Contestants and judges are sticking to the story that L&A did use a small amount. This suggests that if they didn't use a small amount, their team would have lost. Their dish was tasty because they broke the rules of the challenge.

Re the other team's asparagus dish, both Jen and Stephanie thought the flavor was there. Jen was astounded that the judges didn't like it. So has anyone made J&S's recipe? Is it as foul as the judges declared? I mean, I'm sure a plate of asparagus and cheese is not going to be as tasty as fried fish and Chorizo, but did J&S prepare a tasty asparagus dish?

And Ted's blog only lends to the air of confusion and deceit.

The explanation for all of this that really works is that Antonia and Lisa prepared what they knew would be a tasty dish using only Chorizo, but they prepared it in a way that allowed wiggle room. If the judges had said: "Oh wow, Chorizo! Brilliant!" they could have answered "Thank you. Yes we're brilliant. And we took a risk by substituting Chorizo so we should win this challenge." But if the judges said: "Where's the Polish sausage?" They could have answered: "We used a little. So we didn't make it a feature on our plate but our dish still tastes good." I personally think mixing Chorizo and Polish wouldn't taste very good and I don't know why anyone would do it. I think if Polish had been in there, those sophisticated palates at the JT would have regisitered the discordant flavors.


I'm in agreement here for the most part. As far as I can tell there were no other contraints on the chefs except to incorperate the three eliments yelled out. No cash limit or health requiement. So they could basically make what ever dish they wanted. Of course they were going to make something tasty.
SecondTry
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 28, 2008 - 10:29 AM) *
But if they did use Polish sawsage
and tequila even 2 oz of
the sawsage and a little tequila??
IF ... then it would be moot.
Correctomundo???



IF they used Polish sausage, it would indeed be moot--but I have yet to see an unimpeachable source that says they did.

The Bravo recipes don't count, because we all know that those have only a nodding acquaintance with accuracy, and because I know, just by my own examination, that the recipes can be altered at any time by the Bravo webmasters.

Ted's blog doesn't count, because he obviously has a vested interest in the show.
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (Superannualted @ May 28, 2008 - 10:47 AM) *





SAW-sidge






POH-lish saw-SAHGE




Have you be visiting those food
porn sites???

It's on my favorites!!! tongue.gif

Oh poor Psh!!!! biggrin.gif
HajarCooks
QUOTE (River1 @ May 28, 2008 - 09:14 AM) *
Thank you, Hajar! These new-fangled compoooters can be a bit tryin' at times, eh?


Nah, it is just that the photo I wanted to give you of Morocco isn't on my website as of yet so has no http. Here is one that will have to do until I have the time to get the others onto my website. smile.gif




This was taken from a cafe not far from my house.



Tarfaya in June (Western Sahara) Morocco sits on both the Atlantic and the Med. This is on the Atlantic and we live on the Med.



The Rif Mountains where we live. This is the ending section of the Atlas Mountain Range which runs right down into the sea. The sea is in front.
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (SecondTry @ May 28, 2008 - 10:50 AM) *
IF they used Polish sausage, it would indeed be moot--but I have yet to see an unimpeachable source that says they did.

The Bravo recipes don't count, because we all know that those have only a nodding acquaintance with accuracy, and because I know, just by my own examination, that the recipes can be altered at any time by the Bravo webmasters.

Ted's blog doesn't count, because he obviously has a vested interest in the show.


We see light!!!!!!!
OK.....if they can prove to you that they
did then we are set point and match luv!!
(Or whatever that tennis terminology is)
Because the truth will come out I gowontee.
It always does..This lady don't play! biggrin.gif







WhataJoke
QUOTE (SecondTry @ May 28, 2008 - 08:27 AM) *
"It's been a while since I've been to improv, but I seem to remember the "instructions" being something like this: "OK guys, you shout out a word and we'll riff on it. Go"! I don't remember quoting from Derek Bailey or anything. I don't remember anyone saying, "Now slap our pee pees if we go on a tangent". I could be wrong about that though.

And yet, we don't know what they were told, so it's sort of a moot point."

Thank you for proving my point. We'll riff on it--not on something like it.


Exactly. Say for a second that Lisa and Antonia did use tiny amounts of booze and polish sausage. What they did was the equivilent of having someone yell out "Ghandi and Frank Perdue" and doing a wacky sketch about an emergancy room ward of a hospital where Ghandi and a rep from Tyson Chicken are sitting silently in the waiting room.
SimonBao
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 28, 2008 - 10:44 AM) *
laugh.gif
Ow Simon........YOU do work for Bravo!
You know them so well.
Don't bring up elevator around Tele tongue.gif

Kristl, I was thinking that should put an end to any questions if I work for BRAVO. I just surf past it, pause briefly, mutter "Oh Lord" and keep going till I find Animal Planet.
SecondTry
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 28, 2008 - 10:55 AM) *
We see light!!!!!!!
OK.....if they can prove to you that they
did then we are set point and match luv!!
(Or whatever that tennis terminology is)



LOL...it's game, set, and match. But at this point, half a year or more later, I don't see how anyone's going to prove that.
Jazzie53-Cyberklutz
QUOTE (SimonBao @ May 28, 2008 - 09:35 AM) *
The scene... an elevator at 30 Rockefeller Plaza. Andy Cohen is riding the elevator down to the ground floor salon to get a pedicure before hopping off to the Hamptons for an early weekend. One of the senior suits at NBC enters the elevator on the 19th floor...

NBC Suit: Some of the May Sweeps ratings have been leaked... it appears that BRAVO will not be reaching its 2008 Goals & Objectives... What exactly do you have planned for the next few months, to do something about that?

Cohen: I am so excited, can't you tell? We are bringing back Top Design, Shear Genius, and Flipping Out.

NBC Suit: Those shows tanked last time. That was like televising the nasty, leaky end of a dead dog. Are you serious? That's all you've got?

Cohen: No... um... we're also going to do some Godfather marathons.

NBC Suit: Please tell me you have a Plan B?

Cohen: Plan B? Plan B? Oh you mean blogging. YES! I'm going to spend all summer blogging about cab rides, funny and interesting people I meet, who's gay, the differences in popular gay swimwear between Fire Island and the gay beach in East Hampton. And this kicky new ottoman I just got from Jonathan Adler. Do you want to come up to my office some time and sit on it?

NBC Suit: You do know you people are all being moved out of here, don't you. And you know why. I suggest you start packing because next week you'll be out of 30 Rock and YOU HOPE you'll be working in MSNBC's old offices in East Rutherford, New Jersey.

Cohen
: Noooooooooooooooooooooo... you can't make me leave The City!

NBC Suit: (exiting the elevator) The movers will be here on Monday.

Cohen: Noooooooooooo.... wait.... Movers? That's it! What about the Real Movers of Midtown? No, wait, The Real Movers of the Upper West Side? (As the elevator door shuts). What about Top Mover? I'll audition them, we'll get 16 hot movers. Six of them can be giant lesbians in overalls... Episode One, they move Ronnie and Ben in together... (Elevator continues its highly symbolic descent)


And the award for best screenplay based on Bravo.....goes to Simon!

Very well done, and darned funny!!!!
Radyms13
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WhataJoke
QUOTE (SimonBao @ May 28, 2008 - 09:08 AM) *
So, should the BRAVO Board Boss wander through again any time soon... do you think we might ask BRAVO to get in the habit of coming up with a Plan B?

Granted, Ted Allen's blog for Restaurant Wars was delayed due to a death in the family. That happens and our condolences. And Gail is off busy prepping for that Aspen Classic Thingee.

But Colicchio and Padma are NOT "gone fishin'," they appear to be "gone for good." Neither has been heard from in ages. Bourdain was Guest Head Judge and no one got a blog out of him, or out of Jose Andres. It was RW but you didn't put Secret Blogger Andrea back in her restaurant reviewing role, or anyone in that role who might give more detail than the too-rushed episode that aired.

How about a Plan B that invites last season's head Restaurant Warriors to watch your DVD, blog with their insights and comments, Tre and Sara M, invite them to include a bit of a self-promotional update on what they're doing and where they can be found? Hung Huynh is not a one-trick-pony but he does know both styles of food found in Warehouse and Mai Buddha, and would have been a Go-To Guy to invite to watch and comment on this Restaurant Wars.

Or just offer a bit more encouragement to Malarkey and Dale L and Casey to give some "I been there" feedback, since they did show at least some interest in some ongoing participation with your little contest.

But seriously, BRAVO, it's called a "Plan B," it's what people do in the real world.


Actually I went on TMZ.com and found out what Tom and Padma are up to.

Tom is a guest and head caterer for a Convention of Embattled Judges and Officials.
He's giving talking points in a lecture called "I'm Never Wrong: The Magic of TV Production and Editting."
I hear the keynote speakers are the Basketball officials from the 1972 Munich Summer Olympic Games who will be giving their award winning presentation: "How to screw a nation in less than 3 seconds"

Padma is on a world wide book signing tour to promote her knew cook book "1001 ways to satisfy the post bong munchies." So far the book tour has only made it to Amsterdamn and nobody really can guess when it will be moving on from there.
WhataJoke
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 28, 2008 - 09:25 AM) *
Hiya Toad... I hope you know I do not believe
they lie for one minute...That was a cease and
desist maneuver.... BUT haven't you read
WAJ???? wink.gif Others also.

IF Ted said there was Polish sawwsage
they say there wasn't.....what would
you call it???


Oh here is the question. Has Tom lied?
Answer: Go read his blog about the haircutting incident and see which timeline he supports and tell me if he hasn't lied.
HajarCooks
On page 118 I posted River's Birthday photos which were owed. I wanted different photos but that will have to wait until I get them up on my website.
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (SecondTry @ May 28, 2008 - 11:08 AM) *
LOL...it's game, set, and match. But at this point, half a year or more later, I don't see how anyone's going to prove that.



Just to tweak the light Giacomo! Just a teeny bit....You may need a magnifying glass and a CSI expert. But just to tweak and subtly hint ever so gently. biggrin.gif
Looks like different sawwsage to moi.


As to the controversy, while my annoyance didn't quite reach the same level of the comments I've been reading, I didn't like this call one bit at first. After watching the show I had the same impression that everybody else seems to have -- that Antonia and Lisa completely ignored the challenge and didn't use their primary ingredient. And while I could see the judges saying something to Stephanie and Jennifer along the lines of, "Guys, we know they strayed way off course, but you have to give us something to hang out hat on and you just didn't," I didn't like the precedent being set that you can basically ignore the parameters of the challenge and get away with it. Fudge them, okay -- but ignore them completely? I thought Antonia or Lisa should have gotten the axe.

But then, as I was doing my research for this week's rankings, I took a look at the recipe for their dish. And lo and behold, there's the Polish sausage, mixed in with the chorizo! Now, the recipes on the website aren't always entirely accurate. I've known them to omit ingredients or components at times. But it's one thing to erroneously omit an ingredient. It's another thing entirely to erroneously [b]add
an ingredient that was never there in the first place. So this got me wondering... despite the quotes from Lisa and Antonia that seemed to clearly indicate they were NOT going to use Polish sausage, did they end up using some after all, or did they amend their recipe for the website after the fact to include the thematic ingredient that was never there?


So I rewatched the episode, trying to pay very close attention to exactly what was said. Antonia clearly stated that they weren't going to use Polish sausage, but when was that interview done? If it was before they went shopping, which seems probable, they very well may have changed their minds. And while there are a lot of quotes that could be read either way, I found these two quotes from judges' table particularly compelling:
Ted Allen: "So, which is worse? Antonia and Lisa not really focusing on the main ingredient, or Jenn and Steph giving us something that was kind of a muddle on the plate?"

Tom Colicchio: "In Lisa and Antonia's case, you know, they downplayed the Polish sausage and introduced chorizo." (My emphasis)



If they hadn't used Polish sausage, why on earth would you phrase it like that? Wouldn't you just say they didn't use the main ingredient, or they ignored the main ingredient? It sounds more like the kind of comments you'd hear if the sausage was there, but buried. Also, during the shopping scene, there's a very quiet, quick bit of dialogue between Antonia and Lisa:
Antonia: "Can we really mix Polish and chorizo?" Lisa: "They're very similar."



So we know for certain that they at least considered using both. And finally, I caught something during the prep scene. I realize this is like the culinary equivalent of the Zapruder film (thanks to Ed Fisher for the screen capture!), but bear with me:



















It's a lot clearer in glorious high definition than it is here, but in the hotel pan in front of Antonia? Sure looks like two different sausages to me. The three on the left are that nice, bright chorizo red, but the two on the right are a pale pink. Now, the finer points of tubular Polish meats isn't my area of expertise, but that sausage on the right sure seems like an awfully coarse grind for Polish sausage. So I decided to follow this through to its logical (if completely insane) conclusion.

I called the meat counter at the market where the chefs did their shopping (the Halsted & Waveland Whole Foods in Chicago) and asked if they had a house-made Polish. The fellow I spoke to replied that they do, indeed, make a Polish sausage and that I can find it in the meat case. I asked if it's a really fine grind, like commercial packaged sausage, or if it's a coarse grind. He told me it's the same type of coarse grind as their other fresh sausages. My conclusion? Antonia and Lisa DID use a little bit of Polish sausage for fear of being disqualified if they didn't, but because they didn't want to, they intentionally buried it deep in the dish. It's not much better than leaving it out entirely, but for those who are hardliners when it comes to the parameters of the challenge, it makes a difference. I don't know this for a fact, and Tom said a couple of other things at the judges' table that sure made it sound like they only used chorizo, but you put everything together -- the recipe, the quotes, the photos, the judging, the Whole Foods meat counter -- and it just fits. I still think Lisa or Antonia probably should've gotten the axe. Even if their ingredient was on the plate, they clearly made an effort to hide it as much as possible and expressed outright contempt for the challenge, which is almost as bad. But I'm less annoyed with the elimination decision since it appears that Polish sausage probably was, in fact, worked into the dish. Did the sleuthing affect the rankings this week? Not really. But it was a good enough way to waste a Friday night.


[/b]
dcjewbear
QUOTE (SecondTry @ May 27, 2008 - 04:25 PM) *
They suck. tongue.gif Next question? biggrin.gif



At a record of 25-27 one could hardly say that The Yankees suck, until you look at their $200,000,000.00 payroll, and then you might be able to make a good case for that term.

They now have moved their top relief pitcher into the starting line up, and that leaves a glaring hole in their bullpen. They can't get from their starters to their closer, and, that means they're going to lose a lot of games that their starters are winning when they hand the ball to their crappy mid-game pitchers.

Sure, they will score a lot of runs, but their defence is spotty, at best. An All Star shortstop playing out of place at 3rd base (A-Rod) proves my point. Yes, Derek Jeter hits a ton, but how many runs does that left side of the infield give up, for lack of range and adequete arm strength? For all intent purposes, with Giambi at first, they have no 1rst baseman, and Cano is no improvement over Soriano at 2nd base.

Their outfield is adequate defensively, and they hit, but how many teams have better outfields. The Red Sox have two sets of them.

Looking at the team, using the Money Ball strategy, they, indeed, do...uh...kinda...well...SUCK.

You know, the bargain basement Rays, Blue Jays, and Orioles are ahead of this last place Yankees team. Think about that, but not too long, because the left side of your brain may look at the right and say "it's dark in here, and we may die."
WhataJoke
QUOTE (SimonBao @ May 28, 2008 - 09:35 AM) *
The scene... an elevator at 30 Rockefeller Plaza. Andy Cohen is riding the elevator down to the ground floor salon to get a pedicure before hopping off to the Hamptons for an early weekend. One of the senior suits at NBC enters the elevator on the 19th floor...

NBC Suit: Some of the May Sweeps ratings have been leaked... it appears that BRAVO will not be reaching its 2008 Goals & Objectives... What exactly do you have planned for the next few months, to do something about that?

Cohen: I am so excited, can't you tell? We are bringing back Top Design, Shear Genius, and Flipping Out.

NBC Suit: Those shows tanked last time. That was like televising the nasty, leaky end of a dead dog. Are you serious? That's all you've got?

Cohen: No... um... we're also going to do some Godfather marathons.

NBC Suit: Please tell me you have a Plan B?

Cohen: Plan B? Plan B? Oh you mean blogging. YES! I'm going to spend all summer blogging about cab rides, funny and interesting people I meet, who's gay, the differences in popular gay swimwear between Fire Island and the gay beach in East Hampton. And this kicky new ottoman I just got from Jonathan Adler. Do you want to come up to my office some time and sit on it?

NBC Suit: You do know you people are all being moved out of here, don't you. And you know why. I suggest you start packing because next week you'll be out of 30 Rock and YOU HOPE you'll be working in MSNBC's old offices in East Rutherford, New Jersey.

Cohen
: Noooooooooooooooooooooo... you can't make me leave The City!

NBC Suit: (exiting the elevator) The movers will be here on Monday.

Cohen: Noooooooooooo.... wait.... Movers? That's it! What about the Real Movers of Midtown? No, wait, The Real Movers of the Upper West Side? (As the elevator door shuts). What about Top Mover? I'll audition them, we'll get 16 hot movers. Six of them can be giant lesbians in overalls... Episode One, they move Ronnie and Ben in together... (Elevator continues its highly symbolic descent)


Comming soon in Part two, Andy describes to the NBC executives his new blockbuster to replace Project Runway.

" I have got Tommy Hilfiger, Elle McPhereson and Bear Grylis as celebrity judges. They will be giving fashion advice and survival tips to teenagers who's parents refuse to by them the latest in designer cloths.
Ladies and Gentlemen I give you Project Runaway!"
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (WhataJoke @ May 28, 2008 - 11:31 AM) *
Oh here is the question. Has Tom lied?
Answer: Go read his blog about the haircutting incident and see which timeline he supports and tell me if he hasn't lied.




Hey hi...How are things????? laugh.gif

I ain't really a stoooonad! tongue.gif
teleburst
QUOTE (SecondTry @ May 28, 2008 - 09:25 AM) *
</FONT>

This would never happen, Lady Edgware. biggrin.gif In improv, the actors are specific in what they ask for--"Please give us a place!", "Please give us a profession!", "Please give us a kind of junk food!", etc. There would never be a situation where they asked for a place and someone would give them a fictional character.

"Give us vanilla! "OK, here's some vanilla ice cream in your face"! "I'm sorry, you lose!" That seems weird to me.

How hard is it to get the basics down? "You've been given an emotion, an ingredient, and a color; you have to do a dish that uses the ingredient and relates to the color and emotion." We're not talking rocket science here, Tele.</FONT>

You tell me. Why do you need a class in it? Why would you never allow an untrained actor to spontaneously join an improv troupe with training and practice? Could it be that the rules are seemingly quite specific? Is it because "improv comedy" as a genre is oxymoronic and you might not have any idea that it's a contradictory sort of regime?

The only professional food I've ever done is Wendy's biggrin.gif . As for Robin Williams, has he ever done improv?

You've got to be kidding. His show features lots of improv and usually has a specific improv section. He probably did formal improv when he was at Julliard, but I don't think he's done any extended time with improv troupes.

And, I'm sorry if I confused you with someone else. I thought I remembered you saying that you had been in the industry back before you had to change your handle. I obviously confused you with someone else.

I don't think so, but I could be wrong. But if he hasn't, then he isn't breaking the rules of the genre, because he's not working within that genre to begin with.

I think you're being far too strict with your interpretation. You seem to be saying that you can only do improv comedy within the confines of a troupe. I think it's more the idea that Williams, having learned the rule book, knows when to throw the rule book away. I'll take over strict adherance to a set of acting principles anyway.

As for the chefs and professional courtesy, they were given the same courtesies Richard & Dale, Spike & Andrew, and Nikki & Mark were given. They chose not to return that courtesy, and it should have cost them a lot more than it did.

And guess what? None of those teams were on the chopping block. Care to venture a guess why?
</FONT>


Turns out that they didn't need me at the steak mines until tonight anyway...
teleburst
QUOTE (Toad @ May 28, 2008 - 09:37 AM) *
Kk,
Yeah, I read WAJ, but I don't remember him saying Tom lied, just Ted. Personally, I don't think Ted "lied" because to me that means intent.
Think about it for a moment. You take 2oz of Choriso (Chorizo) and grind it with 2oz of Kielbasa. I defie anyone to be able to distinguish the Polish. You might think the Chorizo is too mild, but you're not instantly thinking, "gee they mixed in Polish". The Chorizo is gonna blast the Kielbasa.


Who said they "ground them together"? (so to speak)

Oh wait, you did.

I guess we're going to hear this repeated as fact for days now.

(no offense to you Toad).

Anyway, if I were LOOKING for Polish sausage, I could find it even if it were ground up with chorzo, unless it was turned into a paste. If I were willing to dish on a fellow contestent, I probably WOULDN'T see it, even if it were in whole chunks.
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (dcjewbear @ May 28, 2008 - 11:40 AM) *
At a record of 25-27 one could hardly say that The Yankees suck, until you look at their $200,000,000.00 payroll, and then you might be able to make a good case for that term.

They now have moved their top relief pitcher into the starting line up, and that leaves a glaring hole in their bullpen. They can't get from their starters to their closer, and, that means they're going to lose a lot of games that their starters are winning when they hand the ball to their crappy mid-game pitchers.

Sure, they will score a lot of runs, but their defence is spotty, at best. An All Star shortstop playing out of place at 3rd base (A-Rod) proves my point. Yes, Derek Jeter hits a ton, but how many runs does that left side of the infield give up, for lack of range and adequete arm strength? For all intent purposes, with Giambi at first, they have no 1rst baseman, and Cano is no improvement over Soriano at 2nd base.

Their outfield is adequate defensively, and they hit, but how many teams have better outfields. The Red Sox have two sets of them.

Looking at the team, using the Money Ball strategy, they, indeed, do...uh...kinda...well...SUCK.

You know, the bargain basement Rays, Blue Jays, and Orioles are ahead of this last place Yankees team. Think about that, but not too long, because the left side of your brain may look at the right and say "it's dark in here, and we may die."


But the Babe.. Mickey Mantle.
Yogi and Casey at the bat!
(I don't think Casey was a Yank but we'll use some poetic license)

If you live in NY...you love the Yanks
no matter.

('Cept for Giacomo the traitor)

Because it's easy to hate us.
It really is hard to love us.
Don't hate us because we are the
best damn baseball team ever on the
face of the earth....Please??? tongue.gif



GOOOOOOOOOO YANKEES!!!!!!!




Ducking and ruuunning singing we are the champions my friends.

OF THE WORLD!!!!!!
WhataJoke
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 28, 2008 - 10:36 AM) *
Just to tweak the light Giacomo! Just a teeny bit....You may need a magnifying glass and a CSI expert. But just to tweak and subtly hint ever so gently. biggrin.gif
Looks like different sawwsage to moi.


As to the controversy, while my annoyance didn't quite reach the same level of the comments I've been reading, I didn't like this call one bit at first. After watching the show I had the same impression that everybody else seems to have -- that Antonia and Lisa completely ignored the challenge and didn't use their primary ingredient. And while I could see the judges saying something to Stephanie and Jennifer along the lines of, "Guys, we know they strayed way off course, but you have to give us something to hang out hat on and you just didn't," I didn't like the precedent being set that you can basically ignore the parameters of the challenge and get away with it. Fudge them, okay -- but ignore them completely? I thought Antonia or Lisa should have gotten the axe.

But then, as I was doing my research for this week's rankings, I took a look at the recipe for their dish. And lo and behold, there's the Polish sausage, mixed in with the chorizo! Now, the recipes on the website aren't always entirely accurate. I've known them to omit ingredients or components at times. But it's one thing to erroneously omit an ingredient. It's another thing entirely to erroneously [b]add
an ingredient that was never there in the first place. So this got me wondering... despite the quotes from Lisa and Antonia that seemed to clearly indicate they were NOT going to use Polish sausage, did they end up using some after all, or did they amend their recipe for the website after the fact to include the thematic ingredient that was never there?

So I rewatched the episode, trying to pay very close attention to exactly what was said. Antonia clearly stated that they weren't going to use Polish sausage, but when was that interview done? If it was before they went shopping, which seems probable, they very well may have changed their minds. And while there are a lot of quotes that could be read either way, I found these two quotes from judges' table particularly compelling:
Ted Allen: "So, which is worse? Antonia and Lisa not really focusing on the main ingredient, or Jenn and Steph giving us something that was kind of a muddle on the plate?"

Tom Colicchio: "In Lisa and Antonia's case, you know, they downplayed the Polish sausage and introduced chorizo." (My emphasis)



If they hadn't used Polish sausage, why on earth would you phrase it like that? Wouldn't you just say they didn't use the main ingredient, or they ignored the main ingredient? It sounds more like the kind of comments you'd hear if the sausage was there, but buried. Also, during the shopping scene, there's a very quiet, quick bit of dialogue between Antonia and Lisa:
Antonia: "Can we really mix Polish and chorizo?" Lisa: "They're very similar."



So we know for certain that they at least considered using both. And finally, I caught something during the prep scene. I realize this is like the culinary equivalent of the Zapruder film (thanks to Ed Fisher for the screen capture!), but bear with me:



















It's a lot clearer in glorious high definition than it is here, but in the hotel pan in front of Antonia? Sure looks like two different sausages to me. The three on the left are that nice, bright chorizo red, but the two on the right are a pale pink. Now, the finer points of tubular Polish meats isn't my area of expertise, but that sausage on the right sure seems like an awfully coarse grind for Polish sausage. So I decided to follow this through to its logical (if completely insane) conclusion.

I called the meat counter at the market where the chefs did their shopping (the Halsted & Waveland Whole Foods in Chicago) and asked if they had a house-made Polish. The fellow I spoke to replied that they do, indeed, make a Polish sausage and that I can find it in the meat case. I asked if it's a really fine grind, like commercial packaged sausage, or if it's a coarse grind. He told me it's the same type of coarse grind as their other fresh sausages. My conclusion? Antonia and Lisa DID use a little bit of Polish sausage for fear of being disqualified if they didn't, but because they didn't want to, they intentionally buried it deep in the dish. It's not much better than leaving it out entirely, but for those who are hardliners when it comes to the parameters of the challenge, it makes a difference. I don't know this for a fact, and Tom said a couple of other things at the judges' table that sure made it sound like they only used chorizo, but you put everything together -- the recipe, the quotes, the photos, the judging, the Whole Foods meat counter -- and it just fits. I still think Lisa or Antonia probably should've gotten the axe. Even if their ingredient was on the plate, they clearly made an effort to hide it as much as possible and expressed outright contempt for the challenge, which is almost as bad. But I'm less annoyed with the elimination decision since it appears that Polish sausage probably was, in fact, worked into the dish. Did the sleuthing affect the rankings this week? Not really. But it was a good enough way to waste a Friday night.


[/b]


Wow that footage is so convincing. It had to be polish sausage right? I mean Bravo would never monkey with footage would they?




Waaa Waaaa Waaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

So sorry but thanks for playing. Don Pardo tell her what lovely parting gifts she will be leaving with...
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (teleburst @ May 28, 2008 - 11:54 AM) *
Who said they "ground them together"?

Oh wait, you did.

I guess we're going to hear this repeated as fact for days now.

(no offense to you Toad).


Did they grind 'em ya think???? tongue.gif

Got steak???? mmmm
Rare....ketchup...mmm


I need to go get me a steak
It really has been a long time.
Rib eye is the best methinks.
Kristlkrost
QUOTE (WhataJoke @ May 28, 2008 - 11:57 AM) *
Wow that footage is so convincing. It had to be polish sausage right? I mean Bravo would never monkey with footage would they?




Waaa Waaaa Waaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

So sorry but thanks for playing. Don Pardo tell her what lovely parting gifts she will be leaving with...


Hey.....how is the weather in Boston????
The big dig???....Is it dug?? tongue.gif
dcjewbear
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 28, 2008 - 11:56 AM) *
But the Babe.. Mickey Mantle.
Yogi and Casey at the bat!
(I don't think Casey was a Yank but we'll use some poetic license)

If you live in NY...you love the Yanks
no matter.

('Cept for Giacomo the traitor)

Because it's easy to hate us.
It really is hard to love us.
Don't hate us because we are the
best damn baseball team ever on the
face of the earth....Please??? tongue.gif



GOOOOOOOOOO YANKEES!!!!!!!




Ducking and ruuunning singing we are the champions my friends.

OF THE WORLD!!!!!!


Are they playing for The Yankees now?

No, Their outfield is Hideki Matsui, Bobby Abreu and Melky Cabrera, and I bet you can't tell me which outfield position each of them plays.

End of discussion.

Champions of the World? Not for years have they been in the World Series. In fact, right now, they're in last place in their division.

Right now The Red Sox are the Champs, and, at the end of this year The Angels will probably be the Champs. Why is that? Two little words. Mike Scioscia.

You can be a homer, but even a fanatic has to look at the real world. I love The Nationals. Does that make them the Champs? No, it doesn't, and never will.

I would root for the Mets before The Yankees, and, when I went to Yankee Stadium, as a resident of the Apple, I would go to see The Sox, and The Angels. I would wear their caps, and that's not easy when you are in Yankee Stadium. I just don't like the Evil Empire.
SecondTry
QUOTE (dcjewbear @ May 28, 2008 - 11:40 AM) *
At a record of 25-27 one could hardly say that The Yankees suck, until you look at their $200,000,000.00 payroll, and then you might be able to make a good case for that term.

They now have moved their top relief pitcher into the starting line up, and that leaves a glaring hole in their bullpen. They can't get from their starters to their closer, and, that means they're going to lose a lot of games that their starters are winning when they hand the ball to their crappy mid-game pitchers.

Sure, they will score a lot of runs, but their defence is spotty, at best. An All Star shortstop playing out of place at 3rd base (A-Rod) proves my point. Yes, Derek Jeter hits a ton, but how many runs does that left side of the infield give up, for lack of range and adequete arm strength? For all intent purposes, with Giambi at first, they have no 1rst baseman, and Cano is no improvement over Soriano at 2nd base.

Their outfield is adequate defensively, and they hit, but how many teams have better outfields. The Red Sox have two sets of them.

Looking at the team, using the Money Ball strategy, they, indeed, do...uh...kinda...well...SUCK.

You know, the bargain basement Rays, Blue Jays, and Orioles are ahead of this last place Yankees team. Think about that, but not too long, because the left side of your brain may look at the right and say "it's dark in here, and we may die."



LOL...I'm basing it solely on the fact that I used to work in that neighborhood, and we used to dread afternoon games, which would let out just when we were getting off work....... biggrin.gif
dcjewbear
QUOTE (SecondTry @ May 28, 2008 - 12:10 PM) *
LOL...I'm basing it solely on the fact that I used to work in that neighborhood, and we used to dread afternoon games, which would let out just when we were getting off work....... biggrin.gif


In that case you hate the ballpark, not the team. It's really not the same thing.
SecondTry
QUOTE (teleburst @ May 28, 2008 - 11:51 AM) *
"Give us vanilla! "OK, here's some vanilla ice cream in your face"! "I'm sorry, you lose!" That seems weird to me.


Sorry--that's improv. You work with what you're given.


QUOTE (teleburst @ May 28, 2008 - 11:51 AM) *

You tell me. Why do you need a class in it? Why would you never allow an untrained actor to spontaneously join an improv troupe with training and practice? Could it be that the rules are seemingly quite specific? Is it because "improv comedy" as a genre is oxymoronic and you might not have any idea that it's a contradictory sort of regime?


I wouldn't allow an untrained actor to join ANY sort of troupe unless he had amazing natural gifts, and even then I'd keep him in the background until he learned the ropes. Improv takes a great degree of skill to keep the scene flowing; if you don't know what you're doing, you can wind up with a lot of dead air.

QUOTE (teleburst @ May 28, 2008 - 11:51 AM) *

You've got to be kidding. His show features lots of improv and usually has a specific improv section. He probably did formal improv when he was at Julliard, but I don't think he's done any extended time with improv troupes.


Lucky me. Since I know people in the faculty, administration, and student body in the Juilliard Drama Division, I can check this statement fairly easily.


QUOTE (teleburst @ May 28, 2008 - 11:51 AM) *

And, I'm sorry if I confused you with someone else. I thought I remembered you saying that you had been in the industry back before you had to change your handle. I obviously confused you with someone else.


No worries--it happens in discussions like this. I did indeed do the acting thing for a while, but I've never been in the food biz.


QUOTE (teleburst @ May 28, 2008 - 11:51 AM) *
I think you're being far too strict with your interpretation. You seem to be saying that you can only do improv comedy within the confines of a troupe. I think it's more the idea that Williams, having learned the rule book, knows when to throw the rule book away. I'll take over strict adherance to a set of acting principles anyway.


My interpretation of what is and is not improv comedy is the same interpretation as Second City, the troupe that invented the concept. You don't even know for sure if Williams does improv in his standup (I've never seen him do so) or was trained in it at Juilliard.

QUOTE (teleburst @ May 28, 2008 - 11:51 AM) *
And guess what? None of those teams were on the chopping block. Care to venture a guess why?



Because they actually followed the rules of the challenge?
SecondTry
QUOTE (dcjewbear @ May 28, 2008 - 12:17 PM) *
In that case you hate the ballpark, not the team. It's really not the same thing.



Or the fans......
WhataJoke
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 28, 2008 - 10:56 AM) *
But the Babe.. Mickey Mantle.
Yogi and Casey at the bat!
(I don't think Casey was a Yank but we'll use some poetic license)

If you live in NY...you love the Yanks
no matter.


('Cept for Giacomo the traitor)

Because it's easy to hate us.
It really is hard to love us.
Don't hate us because we are the
best damn baseball team ever on the
face of the earth....Please??? tongue.gif



GOOOOOOOOOO YANKEES!!!!!!!




Ducking and ruuunning singing we are the champions my friends.

OF THE WORLD!!!!!!


Unless the Mets are winning.

The New York Yankees. Authors of the single greatest Choke in American Sports History.
ArtInstigator
QUOTE (Kristlkrost @ May 28, 2008 - 10:56 AM) *
But the Babe.. Mickey Mantle.
Yogi and Casey at the bat!
(I don't think Casey was a Yank but we'll use some poetic license)

If you live in NY...you love the Yanks
no matter.

('Cept for Giacomo the traitor)

Because it's easy to hate us.
It really is hard to love us.
Don't hate us because we are the
best damn baseball team ever on the
face of the earth....Please??? tongue.gif


GOOOOOOOOOO YANKEES!!!!!!!


Ducking and ruuunning singing we are the champions my friends.

OF THE WORLD!!!!!!

Singing....(cuz I know you love to hear me sing rolleyes.gif )

"not since 2000, my dear!" tongue.gif

Y'all haven't won jack in this millenium.

And BTW, the Babe was from Baltimore and Mickey Mantle was from Oklahoma. Babe Ruth also won World Series games as the winning pitcher. For the Red Sox.... laugh.gif

AI
dcjewbear
QUOTE (SecondTry @ May 28, 2008 - 12:18 PM) *
Or the fans......


They are obnoxious, like no other fans in the sport. I would say you've never attended a game wearing a Sox cap, I assume. I've been spit on. Seriously.
teleburst
QUOTE (SecondTry @ May 28, 2008 - 09:50 AM) *
IF they used Polish sausage, it would indeed be moot--but I have yet to see an unimpeachable source that says they did.

The Bravo recipes don't count, because we all know that those have only a nodding acquaintance with accuracy, and because I know, just by my own examination, that the recipes can be altered at any time by the Bravo webmasters.

Ted's blog doesn't count, because he obviously has a vested interest in the show.


Doesn't it count that Ted says it was in the dish as he was tasting it?

How is it that you need to see an unimpeachable source and yet your whole argument is based on not having an unimpeachable source to prove your argument.

The perponderance of evidence has been shown that there was indeed Polish sausage in the dish. Thankfully for all of us, I'm not going to repeat it yet again. Don't make me do it <chuckle>

As to WAJ's argument that says because Bravo didn't immediately post a banner headline like they did for Dale's dish, they must be guilty. I'd say, maybe they're learning. Maybe they realized that, even though they posted a correction to the recipe and Ted made a major announcement about it, they needed to dumb it down for us obsessives and put it in 20 font bold letters because people believe stuff in bold letters and headlines and can't parse a 5 letter phrase (unless they're Bill Clinton, of course).
dcjewbear
QUOTE (WhataJoke @ May 28, 2008 - 12:22 PM) *
Unless the Mets are winning.

The New York Yankees. Authors of the single greatest Choke in American Sports History.


Yes! With a 3-0 lead in the championship series they completely had the worst meltdown in baseball history.

To the Boston Red Sox.

Oh, the humiliation! Oh, the humanity! Oh, what a thing of beauty!

Oh, the $800.00 they put in my pocket! Thank you guys!
Kristlkrost
These are kinda on topic tongue.gif

My friend just sent me a
whole bunch and I am seriously laughing.

Can't find chefs or restaurants yet.




Campbell's Top 10 Least Popular Soups
- January 19, 1988

10. Cream of Gristle
9. Tomato Garagiola
8. Old-fashioned Grease & Weasel
7. Mink Bisque
6. Turkey with Platformate
5. Tap Water & Lawn Trimmings
4. Turkish Prison Surprise
3. Bryant Gumbo
2. Sideburns 'n' Barley
1. Manhattan-style Windex & Shrimp






Top 10 Unsuccessful Mall Shops

- October 6, 1987

10. Jiffy-Spay
9. Kentucky-Fried Pinworm
8. One-Hour Autopsy-Mat
7. Fatso Riley's Airtight Hellhole
6. The Prescription Drug Swap Barn
5. Big-and-Tall-Men's Lacy Lingerie
4. Dr. Don's Plasma Pantry
3. Mookie's Cookie Nook
2. Giant Radioactive Red Lobster
1. Grandma's Old-Fashioned Smallpox-Infested Army Blankets


Toad
Ok, bad choice of word. rather mixed, not "ground". Antonia said "mix", the recipe says "mix", I looked at the dish online, they took it out of the casing and it looks all one color to me, so I ASSUMED they mixed it together.

Tele, if you're telling me you can tell theres polish mixed with chorizo after mixing with the rendered oil of both and citrus reduction, as per the recipe, I'm saying that tough to fathom. The polish just isn't that flavorful, maybe and just maybe, you could tell by color if it wasn't mixed to well.
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