woof123
January 21, 2005 - 10:32 AM
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Just my opinion re: all the comments about people being a match for (or not, as the case may be) banana republic.
A mentorship from a design house does not mean the design house indoctrinates you. You can be a "punk" designer (whatever that means, not that I think hair gel qualifies you) and still work for yves st. laurent. What you would learn while working with a design house _ just about the business _ would be invaluable. If you are a good designer, you can design anything for anyone. realistically, people don't walk out of design school and set up shop on their own. they have to get some experience and make a name, and that usually requires working for someone else.
I guess what I'm saying is, I'm not making any assumptions based on whose style would match with BR. The point is for the winner to launch their own line. If they "match" BR, and their stuff looks like BR, what's the point of their having their own line?
EXACTLY!!!! No matter who wins or what their personal design philosophy is the point is not to turn them into a BR clone, but for them to work in the biz. You can learn alot in that kind of mentorship situation and it doesn't involve compromising yourself, just keeping your eyes open and being willing to learn what to do (or not to do) with your own line. Learn from the mistakes of others so you don't waste that 100K!
woof123
January 21, 2005 - 10:40 AM
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I agree with you guys about alexandra.
i think it goes back to her designing clothes for herself. she designs what she likes to wear. I think you have to be more flexible and creative than that if you are going to ask other people to wear your clothes.....
I think she copied the Michael Kors suit because she liked it. So instead of truly taking inspiration from it, she copied it. Take Jay's chrysler building dress. Obviously, the dress didn't look like the building. But if you looked at it, you could see from whence his inspiration came. That's inspiration, not mimickry.
jay's personality gets on my nerves, and i wouldn't be caught dead in some of his stuff, but I always find myself wanting to see what he came up with. I think that is the mark of a good designer. I mean, really, I wouldn't wear Helmut Lang either, but I still want to see what he's got every year.
And I love that Jay can respond to whatever the challenge is.
Bingo! Alexandra was out this week for the same reason that Vanessa went out before; because she "told on" herself. The judges really want to see new ideas, she'd have been better off saying something like "I was inspired by a beautiful turquoise lagoon surrounded by lush foliage" or some such rather than "I made it like Michael Kors' suit in the such and such collection!"
straycat87
January 21, 2005 - 01:51 PM
As I said before, Jay's my favorite. I would wear all his things, even the outfit for the rock and roll episode. I happen to LOVE it. I personally really enjoy his personality, but it's one of those personalities that I do understand why others would find annoying. Anyways even though Jay is my favorite, I love Kara Sauns designs and really think she should win. Austin is so hit and miss and I either love or hate his designs. But when I love it I really love it. Although he is one of my top 3, I'm not too sure if he'll make it to the top three. Luckily he won the immunity and I'm just worried the week after. Until this week he'd nearly lost the last two challenges.
shiraroz
January 21, 2005 - 01:55 PM
I completely agree about the Banana republic 'match' thing. I mean give the designers some credit. I think they will be able to keep their originality. I think Jay's BR chrislter (however you spell that) dress was gorgeous and very him.. Also why hate on banana.. I think it is important to learn how to work as a design team and how to taylor your designs to work in a fashion line. Just cuz banana is successful and lots of people wear their clothes doesnt mean they are without originality
HotsiTatsi
January 21, 2005 - 02:09 PM
Interesting, you might be onto something. Also some time back someone noticed that everyone that had t-shirts for sale were eliminated, well this week Robert finally got his on, is that another sign?
He seems to favor the turquoise family of colors, but the shirt is cute!
basketcase
January 21, 2005 - 02:43 PM
i don't have big perky boobs, so i don't like kara's designs. i agree about austin's but, he'll stick around a while to give the show flare. i just worry about my poor little kevin, i think he'll be out next week unless someone really makes a stinker of an outfit (hope it's wendy).
shiraroz
January 21, 2005 - 03:46 PM
your own body type should not affect your opinion of kara's design--maybe her designs are aimed to make the models boobs big and perky-- notoriously models are quite flat
JesBelle
January 21, 2005 - 04:48 PM
Doesn't Kara work with Queen Latifah? Wouldn't that imply that she can do clothes for real women, not just the few who fit into the model model?
Senka
January 21, 2005 - 07:12 PM
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Who needs clothes when they're on a date with Kevin?!
I do, I do !!!! If I win a date with Kevin (hey, I was the first to mention him up here ! ), I'll have myself a dress designed by him. Something totally him, and totally me, and then !... (sorry, can not write that here).
Senka
January 21, 2005 - 07:22 PM
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I sense a pattern in the eliminations, and I am willing to predict the next people eliminated.
The pattern has to do with the Project Runway bars at the top of the page. There are 5 random bars, where 4 contain images of 3 contestants and Heidi with that ugly hairdo. The groups are:
Group 1: Daniel, Vanessa, Kevin
Group 2: Mario, Nora, Jay
Group 3: Kara, Alexandra, Starr
Group 4: Robert, Wendy, Austin
The first contestant eliminated was Daniel in Group 1. Next was Mario in Group 2. Next was Starr in Group 3. Then it was Vanessa in Group 1, followed by Nora in Group 2 and Alexandra in Group 3. This leaves one contestant in each of the first 3 groups (in linear fashion as well), and all 3 contestants in Group 4.
As I see it, there are three predictions I can make at this point:
Prediction 1: Kevin goes next week, followed by Jay (NOOOOOO!) and Kara (nooo!). The Final Three at Fashion Week are Austin (yes!), Wendy (YAY!), and Robert (blah!)
Prediction 2: The pattern is topsy-turvied and the next 3 eliminateds are all the Group 4'ers. This means Kara, Jay, and Kevin are the Final 3, which does make more sense to me.
Prediction 3: It's all just a crazy coincidence, and the next eliminations have nothing to do with the pattern.
Also, is it wrong to be a straight, fashion-challenged, math-major frat boy and still watch this show? I hope not.
Well, well, that was excellent !
First, to answer to to your last question : definitly not ! My husband fits the description too.
As for the observations, very interesting !
I would personally think that prediction # 2 is correct (Kara, Jay, Kevin), I understand that you're not very happy about that. Then Prediction # 1 would actually be there to induce people doing these kind of predictions in error. Like, you expect Kara, Kevin and Jay to be eliminated, but instead, they're now elimination only people from that Group 4 , which has been untouched until now: Robert (who should go !), Wendy (why is she still here ?), and Austin (who's not that original making Scarlett O'Hara dresses, and Esther Williams swim suits...). Anyway, I'm looking forward to see how the pattern develops ! Good observation job !
Senka
January 21, 2005 - 07:34 PM
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Kevin reinvented the swimsuit. It is one that models or larger size people can wear, and either one will look hot. But what troubles me about Kevin is that he seems weak and unsure of himself. Standing on the stage last night and being asked if he thinks he made a good impression, he needs the model to support him and tell him he did. He could not stand up to Morgan when she pulled her usual crap, but instead just got quieter when she starts yelling at him. Fashion is a business, and he needs to show some confidence in his work and himself to sell it to everyone else.
Oh, well, I'll be the eternal Kevin supporter, but I have to agree 100% here. He doesn't know how to sell himself. He is not standing for his creations, that ARE very good, well tailored (I'm not talking about not having the time to put in a lining !), original and individual (like it or not). If he makes it out (which I hope), he should just hire a PR person to talk for him.
aimeedear
January 21, 2005 - 07:44 PM
Just remembered something about the Banana Republic show - did anyone besides me notice that one of the main ideas BR was asking for was "my grandmother's closet" in pink and yellow pastel - but then Austin was judged poorly by the judges for being "retro" in a pink and yellow classic floral? It seemed to me that Austin fulfilled what BR was asking for perfectly, and the judges themselves forgot the criteria!
So on what episode do we get to judge the judges?
Valo
January 21, 2005 - 08:31 PM
why is jay always a bridesmaid and never a bride?? i'd just love to see jay win a challenge!!!
goddessamelia
January 21, 2005 - 09:00 PM
I would also love it if Jay won a challenge. I also found his beating Austin up amusing, I knew it wasnt real when they showed the clip over and over again, BAD PRODUCERS!
I loved Austins swimsuit and found it icky the way the newspaper guy was drooling at her and he knew she was 16!!!!! ICKY!!!!
I have a feeling the Morganza will be eliminated next week since she stepped over the line by ripping a design. I dont think Alexandra should have been elimated, I think Wendy should have, it wasnt a swimsuit! It was a dress!
ThomsTeddyBear
January 21, 2005 - 11:20 PM
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I am really in love with this show. Does anyone think or know if it will come out on DVD? I would definately buy it if it did.
If QE is any example, it'll never be out on DVD.
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January 21, 2005 - 11:29 PM
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Even though she's not my personal favourite (that's not to say I don't think she's not talented), I want Kara to win. I love Austin and Jay, and I think a mentorship with Banana Republic would just not suit them at all. Of all the designers on the show, they are the two with the most clearly established styles. Not only would Banana have their hands full with either of them, but it would stifle their personal creativity, which would just suck. For that reason, and becuase she's so professional, I'll be astounded if Kara doesn't win. And she will deserve it.
I agree completely with this. I think that Jay and Austin would be better off making the top three and then NOT winning. The real prize for the two of them would be showing their lines during fashion week. They'll get recognized and go from there. I cannot see either of them being happy or successful designing for Banana republic.
The more I think about this, the more sense it makes. Yes I am rooting for Austin to win but as was stated, it would hinder his own style. The same thing goes for Jay - working for BR would kill them both...second and third place would be better for them.
ThomsTeddyBear
January 21, 2005 - 11:43 PM
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In defense of Alexandra's bikini design, her design is currently in the top three for the auction bid for the third highest amount. Let's face it, a bikini does not have alot of fabric to work with, yet her design has a lot going on for interest. There are alot of embellishments, braids, strings, beads, and pattern in a subtle way. I am also surprised that there is such a big deal made about the size of her suit. Swim wear fashions in Europe, South America wouldn't even question her design. I believe that the show's visual and verbal editing led viewers to think and justify her removal from the show.
And if Europe jumped off a clif does that mean the U.S. should jump off a cliff too?
KIDDING! lol, sorry - kept hearing my mother in my head.
Ok, about Alexandra's suit. It really was too small. Heck, the model was a size 0 and even she was uncomfortable in it. She very nearly did a Wendy (bottomless bathing suit)! Thing is, she made it for herself. She even said, "What's the matter with it being small? I wear mine that tiny." (at which point I cringed and said, "You do?")
ThomsTeddyBear
January 21, 2005 - 11:49 PM
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jay really look se him design for hottopic.
THAT'S RIGHT!! OMG, THANK YOU!!! I've been trying to figure out what Jay's clothes remind me of - Hot Topic! AWESOME store - which reminds me, my daughter wanted some pants from there, I gotta check into that. I've also got to talk to her about loving Jai's swimsuit design...grrrrrr
MyLeftArm
January 21, 2005 - 11:51 PM
i don't know any of the designers personally. I am going strickly on the first 5 episodes that i have seen thus far and i am going with JAY JAY ALL THE WAY! He is by far the most interesting and I have loved all of his designs. That dress inspired by the Chrysler building should have won the Banana Republic Challenge! It was SOOO New York, where i was born and have lived all of my 38 years! This is why i have NEVER shoppped at Banana Republic... Snoresville...the same ole black dress won. [expletive deleted] freakin' hum.
GO JAY GO!
ThomsTeddyBear
January 22, 2005 - 12:04 AM
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Just remembered something about the Banana Republic show - did anyone besides me notice that one of the main ideas BR was asking for was "my grandmother's closet" in pink and yellow pastel - but then Austin was judged poorly by the judges for being "retro" in a pink and yellow classic floral? It seemed to me that Austin fulfilled what BR was asking for perfectly, and the judges themselves forgot the criteria!
So on what episode do we get to judge the judges?
Yup, that was mentioned quite a bit; that AND the fact that the rose print fabric he used was similar to the rose print top the BR rep herself was wearing! Yeah, it got pretty confusing.
So when do we judge the judges? When we see them walking out on the streets maybe?
"What? What pie? I swear I didn't throw any pie!"
goddessamelia
January 22, 2005 - 12:44 AM
Ohhhhh when we see Nina walking down the street we can yell "What kind of woman wears that outfit?"
angeedee
January 22, 2005 - 04:31 AM
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i don't have big perky boobs, so i don't like kara's designs. i agree about austin's but, he'll stick around a while to give the show flare. i just worry about my poor little kevin, i think he'll be out next week unless someone really makes a stinker of an outfit (hope it's wendy).
I don't have perky boobs either (i did once. sigh.) but I still adore Kara's stuff. and I like her attitude, too.
re: wendy's (we hope imminent) departure
Yay!
me too. I just don't like wendy. i don't like her stuff and I don't like that she's approaching this like it's an episode of survivor instead of the chance of a lifetime for her. i don't understand why she always has to be plotting against people rather than just doing her damned job. the lack of irrelevant maneuvering is the reason why i like this show (never seen an episode of survivor, never will)
and geeze, find a decent hairdresser. I know they have them in Virginia, because not everybody there looks like that.
ballardfam
January 22, 2005 - 07:00 AM
Does anyone else have a theory on why some designers have their own websites and others don't? Of the remaining ones, Jay, Wendy & Kevin have them. Kara, Robert & Austin don't. Or at least I can't find them. Significant as far as the results go? I find it hard to believe that Robert will get into the final three and Jay not so maybe just coincidence. Any ideas or am I just seeing black helicopters?
Tejayes
January 22, 2005 - 08:47 AM
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re: wendy's (we hope imminent) departure
Yay!
me too. I just don't like wendy. i don't like her stuff and I don't like that she's approaching this like it's an episode of survivor instead of the chance of a lifetime for her. i don't understand why she always has to be plotting against people rather than just doing her damned job. the lack of irrelevant maneuvering is the reason why i like this show (never seen an episode of survivor, never will)
and geeze, find a decent hairdresser. I know they have them in Virginia, because not everybody there looks like that.
Personally, I LOVE Wendy BECAUSE of her strategy. Yes, she's not quite as talented as the others. She knows that. That's why she's doing the things she's doing.
Her "mommy" strategy may not have worked the best, but at least she's trying. You have to give her credit for that.
Mostly, however, she listens to what the challenge entails and does her best not to break the rules.
--She used candy for the first challenge because it was extremely unconventional and "innovative". It was ugly as crap, but she fulfilled the theme.
--True, her envy dress wasn't good, either, but at least she worked hard and showed her vision, unlike the Stupid Mario Brother.
--As I said before, she won Challenge 3 because her dress was well-designed, easy to reproduce, and fit the BR aesthetic.
--She kept her mouth shut during the collaboration challenge, and although she attacked Austin at the runway, all we heard was "Austin could have done a better job at leadership," which he could have. Besides, it's all part of the strategy.
--We didn't see much of her during the wedding dress challenge, but we can only assume that she fulfilled the parameters.
--Finally, with the task to make a "swimsuit/party dress," she did it. Yes, there's the controversy over the thong, which I don't know %100 about (I'm back at college now, and we don't have Bravo here). Still, her design was, as someone said before, a "bathing dress," or as I see it, a party dress you can wear into a hot tub. I like it!
As for all you nay-sayers out there bashing her strategy, calling it "Survivor-esque," let me just remind you about Richard Hatch. He implemented a strategy, the first ever alliance, and was generally seen as unpopular because of it. Yet, he won, and ultimately you have to respect him for it. So, if Wendy wins, I'l be the first person to say "Ha ha, I told you so!"
P.S.: Check out Sandy McFarland's episode recaps on www.realitynewsonline.com. They're really good, except for when she calls Kara "Tara." Also, check out my "High School Reunion 3" recaps, too!
hookedonPR
January 22, 2005 - 10:34 AM
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AuntieKrabby, I'm right there with ya! Who needs clothes when they're on a date with Kevin?! ;-) Oops, did I write that out loud?
You SO remind me of a classy little vixen on the QE boards
Why thank you! I'll definitely take that as a compliment, but I'm only a classy little vixen on the PR boards. ;-)
runwayaddict
January 22, 2005 - 02:53 PM
In a situation like this, where the stakes are so high, I would be shocked if there were only one designer using the same "strategy" as Wendy. Doesn't this type of behavior happen in almost any workplace? (I know from personal experience you can find some of this same behavior in a Teacher's Lounge.)
I am not a fan of Wendy but it has nothing to do with her strategy. I have not liked any of her designs except her dress for the BR challenge. Her party dress was gorgeous!
My prediction fot the final three designers are:
Austin- He will win, I think. His corn husk dress was amazing, and his swimsuit was so glamorous.
Jay- He should have won the rock-n-roll challenge. (It was far superior to Kevin's garage sale/bag lady/scarecrow design.)
Kara- Her wedding dress was breath-taking!
Xanalina
January 22, 2005 - 03:22 PM
OH MY GOD OH MY GOD. I LOVE AUSTIN SOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!!!
ANYONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE HIM IS JUST JEALOUS, JEALOUS, JEALOUS!!! His banana republic dress was so gorgeous and the judges are STUPID for not letting him win. What about when they said the theme was "your grandmothers closet". SEE the judges were wrong and he should have won. And wasn't his swimsuit beautiful. OH MY GOD!!! I wish I could wear it. Stupid Jay only knows how to do punk S&M things, and icky Kevin's didn't even look like a swimsuit! OMG WENDY IS SO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN!!! He desearves to win and he is the only good designer on the show, but the stupid producers and judges are trying SABOTAGE him. That's right. That's why he hasn't won EVERY challenge, but even they couldn't deny how great his bathing suit was. Austin 4EVER!!!
I you can't tell I'm being sacarstic. If you want to flame me go ahead.
PaleFire76
January 22, 2005 - 03:52 PM
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Uniquely among the designers, in my opinion, Jay always makes something unpredictable, yet still utterly Jay. The others stick within fairly limited and predictable idioms.
Although I agree Jay has proven his versatility, I wonder if he--without the parameters of a challenge--will revert back to his rock-and-roll aesthetic if he does make NY Fashion week.
paillette
January 22, 2005 - 04:08 PM
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OH MY GOD OH MY GOD. I LOVE AUSTIN SOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!!!
ANYONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE HIM IS JUST JEALOUS, JEALOUS, JEALOUS!!! His banana republic dress was so gorgeous and the judges are STUPID for not letting him win. What about when they said the theme was "your grandmothers closet". SEE the judges were wrong and he should have won. And wasn't his swimsuit beautiful. OH MY GOD!!! I wish I could wear it. Stupid Jay only knows how to do punk S&M things, and icky Kevin's didn't even look like a swimsuit! OMG WENDY IS SO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN!!! He desearves to win and he is the only good designer on the show, but the stupid producers and judges are trying SABOTAGE him. That's right. That's why he hasn't won EVERY challenge, but even they couldn't deny how great his bathing suit was. Austin 4EVER!!!
If you can't tell I'm being sacarstic.
Hee-hee! Pretty amusing as sarcasm!
paillette
January 22, 2005 - 04:20 PM
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Uniquely among the designers, in my opinion, Jay always makes something unpredictable, yet still utterly Jay. The others stick within fairly limited and predictable idioms.
Although I agree Jay has proven his versatility, I wonder if he--without the parameters of a challenge--will revert back to his rock-and-roll aesthetic if he does make NY Fashion week.
That's a really interesting question. He seems to "grow" with each challenge -- often, he has some sort of crisis moment where he complains that he doesn't know what to do, or the challenge doesn't play to his strengths -- but in the end he comes up with something good. But perhaps without the interplay between his own aesthetic, and the requirements of each challenge, he would revert to what's comfortable for him and produce something less interesting.
It seems to me that some designers, like Austin, are at their best when they can pursue their own unique sensibility. When forced away from his own feminine, retro preferences, Austin tends to produce designs that don't work so well (as even his fans, I think, will concede). Jay may be the opposite: it's possible that he's at his best when forced out of his comfort zone and synthesizing his own sensibility with a theme, or a client's vision. But when Jay is able to be pure Jay, will it be as good?
JustTzujIt
January 22, 2005 - 04:35 PM
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Also, is it wrong to be a straight, fashion-challenged, math-major frat boy and still watch this show? I hope not.
Totally NOT! It's so cool that you watch this show, and don't be afraid to admit it, because girls will surely dig you. Guys that are too afraid to admit an interest in fashion, or grooming, or whatever else is a turnoff to most girls. Ever watch Queer Eye?
JustTzujIt
January 22, 2005 - 04:41 PM
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THAT'S RIGHT!! OMG, THANK YOU!!! I've been trying to figure out what Jay's clothes remind me of - Hot Topic! AWESOME store - which reminds me, my daughter wanted some pants from there, I gotta check into that. I've also got to talk to her about loving Jai's swimsuit design...grrrrrr
*clasps hands* oh please, God, don't let it be the Tripp pants! Please, please PLEASE!
Most hottopic stuff is good, but when it comes to those ugly things, I'd rather go to A & F! (That doesn't happen often, ppl)
nabakov5
January 22, 2005 - 04:43 PM
Hi everyone. I'm new here but I've been watching the show with toothpicks holding my eyes open! I absolutely love it! I just wanted to get out there and say that there is at least one more dedicated and loving supporter of Kevin in the audience. He has to be one of the most captivating people I've ever seen on one of these shows. Maybe its the disproportionate amount of air-time he recieves that keeps me always begging for more. I have loved all of his designs (except for maybe the rock 'n roll one), and his demeanor and carriage drives me crazy, like just under the skin is this absorbent and intriguing soul. I think if Kevin goes, I'll have to go with him. As for my personal top three: 1. Kevin (of course) 2. Kara 3. Austin.
JustTzujIt
January 22, 2005 - 04:47 PM
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You SO remind me of a classy little vixen on the QE boards
I'm thinking the same thing. Thom-fan?
JustTzujIt
January 22, 2005 - 04:51 PM
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OH MY GOD OH MY GOD. I LOVE AUSTIN SOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!!!
ANYONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE HIM IS JUST JEALOUS, JEALOUS, JEALOUS!!! His banana republic dress was so gorgeous and the judges are STUPID for not letting him win. What about when they said the theme was "your grandmothers closet". SEE the judges were wrong and he should have won. And wasn't his swimsuit beautiful. OH MY GOD!!! I wish I could wear it. Stupid Jay only knows how to do punk S&M things, and icky Kevin's didn't even look like a swimsuit! OMG WENDY IS SO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN!!! He desearves to win and he is the only good designer on the show, but the stupid producers and judges are trying SABOTAGE him. That's right. That's why he hasn't won EVERY challenge, but even they couldn't deny how great his bathing suit was. Austin 4EVER!!!
I you can't tell I'm being sacarstic. If you want to flame me go ahead.
Oh, it's a shame I agreed with ALMOST everything you said... (I wasn't sure about the "icky" punk S&M thing, thought I was disgusted by the swimsuit) and I've liked Kevin's designs for the most part. But you're right, Wendy is mean.
Besides that, you got my feelings right on! Now about it being sarcastic...
JustTzujIt
January 22, 2005 - 04:56 PM
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Although I agree Jay has proven his versatility, I wonder if he--without the parameters of a challenge--will revert back to his rock-and-roll aesthetic if he does make NY Fashion week.
That's a really interesting question. He seems to "grow" with each challenge -- often, he has some sort of crisis moment where he complains that he doesn't know what to do, or the challenge doesn't play to his strengths -- but in the end he comes up with something good. But perhaps without the interplay between his own aesthetic, and the requirements of each challenge, he would revert to what's comfortable for him and produce something less interesting.
It seems to me that some designers, like Austin, are at their best when they can pursue their own unique sensibility. When forced away from his own feminine, retro preferences, Austin tends to produce designs that don't work so well (as even his fans, I think, will concede). Jay may be the opposite: it's possible that he's at his best when forced out of his comfort zone and synthesizing his own sensibility with a theme, or a client's vision. But when Jay is able to be pure Jay, will it be as good?
I loved your comments, paillette! I agree and I loved how you describes Austin's style as "Feminine, retro" (no wonder I like him so much, when it works) but I think some ppl work better under pressure and when they are forced to challenge themselves (That would be Jay) and I'm not sure if his designs would be as interesting as 100% Jay because what makes them cool is the mixture of his style and the style of the challenge.
AuntieKrabby
January 22, 2005 - 04:57 PM
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Hi everyone. I'm new here but I've been watching the show with toothpicks holding my eyes open! I absolutely love it! I just wanted to get out there and say that there is at least one more dedicated and loving supporter of Kevin in the audience. He has to be one of the most captivating people I've ever seen on one of these shows. Maybe its the disproportionate amount of air-time he recieves that keeps me always begging for more. I have loved all of his designs (except for maybe the rock 'n roll one), and his demeanor and carriage drives me crazy, like just under the skin is this absorbent and intriguing soul. <snip>
... not to mention deadly sexy!! There. I've said it.
Kevin is deadly sexy!!!
JustTzujIt
January 22, 2005 - 04:58 PM
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Also, is it wrong to be a straight, fashion-challenged, math-major frat boy and still watch this show? I hope not.
Totally NOT! It's so cool that you watch this show, and don't be afraid to admit it, because girls will surely dig you. Guys that are too afraid to admit an interest in fashion, or grooming, or whatever else is a turnoff to most girls. Ever watch Queer Eye?
Wow... yet again, I quote myself. I just now saw your s/n - Tejayes? Have I seen you around the QE boards, or is it just my imagination?
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January 22, 2005 - 05:06 PM
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Uniquely among the designers, in my opinion, Jay always makes something unpredictable, yet still utterly Jay. The others stick within fairly limited and predictable idioms.
Although I agree Jay has proven his versatility, I wonder if he--without the parameters of a challenge--will revert back to his rock-and-roll aesthetic if he does make NY Fashion week.
That's a really interesting question. He seems to "grow" with each challenge -- often, he has some sort of crisis moment where he complains that he doesn't know what to do, or the challenge doesn't play to his strengths -- but in the end he comes up with something good. But perhaps without the interplay between his own aesthetic, and the requirements of each challenge, he would revert to what's comfortable for him and produce something less interesting.
It seems to me that some designers, like Austin, are at their best when they can pursue their own unique sensibility. When forced away from his own feminine, retro preferences, Austin tends to produce designs that don't work so well (as even his fans, I think, will concede). Jay may be the opposite: it's possible that he's at his best when forced out of his comfort zone and synthesizing his own sensibility with a theme, or a client's vision. But when Jay is able to be pure Jay, will it be as good?
Like JustTzuIt, I enjoyed your comments too.
Since they both have such different design processes, not to mention titanic personalities, it should be interesting to see Jay and Austin work together in a team for the next episode. I wonder who gets picked as leader!
paillette
January 22, 2005 - 05:56 PM
"Since they both have such different design processes, not to mention titanic personalities, it should be interesting to see Jay and Austin work together in a team for the next episode. I wonder who gets picked as leader!"
Actually, I must say I'm not looking forward to another "team effort." It strikes me as a way to force interpersonal conflict, rather artificially, and I'm really more interested in the clothes!
If there will be a conflict, I think it's more likely to take the form of a confrontation b/tw Austin & Wendy: "Golden Boy" v. "The Green-Lidded Monster."
I've noticed, though, that Jay & Austin seldom interact. Aside from the newstand visit and the staged fight last week -- both undoubtedly scenes set up by the producers -- I can't recall much conversation between them. They don't seem to be friends -- or enemies. They just ignore each other.
jmfitz619
January 22, 2005 - 06:45 PM
Absolutely, totally one hundred percent agree with you on all points.
I personally think Wendy will be eliminated next week, too, just because like we saw in the last group challange, she either did not or would not contribute to the effort (Although I love how, in the preview for this week's coming episode, she got all teary eyed, wondering how it was that she was not part of the cohesive group. Doesn't she realize that she put herself in that position?). Still, her BR dress was a great effort. Hopefully, Morgan will get tossed with her. I can't see anyone willing to tolerate her after this past episode and the torture that she subjected jay to in the wedding dress.
Robert will probably go after Wendy. While he has talent, I just don't see really great designs coming from him compared to the others. And I think if he ever mentions the classic car analogy again, someone will smack him.
Kevin will finish fourth. His bathing suit may not have fit the traditional defintion, but hey, it had the materials where it could have made the transition from pool to party,
and I think that overall, his designs were consistent,and a few, like the suit, did show innovation. I also feel that his rock and roll dress did work. Shades of Cindy Lauper in the final execution. Colorful and fun, with a lot of flair.
Yes, I too, feel that Kara, Jay and Austin will make the final three. I have always loved Jay's designs. He gets the flavor of each assignment, and while you can pick up his personality in each design, they all still look unique.
Kara is too strong of a designer not to get to the top three. Yes, she has a similar neckline in some designs, but again, each creation has its own "personality", I think. And her wedding dress was just amazing. Simple, classy, elegant. I also loved the covering of her bathing suit creation. Like Kevin's design, it made the transition from pool to party quite possible.
As for Austin, I too, am a big fan, and I think he may just be the overall winner because, as someone once pointed out, he has a true gift for making women look beautiful. True, he can get locked in the vintage thing, but except for the wedding dress, he has never really missed in his designs. His bathing suit was exquisite,and I too, think the BR dress hit the mark, even if the judges didn't (shame on them). Okay, the rock and roll dress didn't quite work, but from a technical viewpoint, it was great, even if off base. Just two quick observations that stuck out. One, he needs to stay away from whoever prepped him for the runway show of the bathing suit episode. His hair was a little scary, and way too high. secondly, and on a more serious note, am I the only one who thought that the rock and roll dress and the wedding dress should have appeared in each other's challanges? I could definitely have seen Sarah Hudson rocking out in Austin's wedding dress, and with some leopard fabric in place of the blue, I bet Julia would have loved the rock and roll dress as her wedding gown, and Austin would not have been scathed by the judges like he was.
My apologies for this post running so long, everyone. It took me a while to get signed up, and there was a lot that I wanted to say.
Tejayes
January 22, 2005 - 07:03 PM
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Also, is it wrong to be a straight, fashion-challenged, math-major frat boy and still watch this show? I hope not.
Totally NOT! It's so cool that you watch this show, and don't be afraid to admit it, because girls will surely dig you. Guys that are too afraid to admit an interest in fashion, or grooming, or whatever else is a turnoff to most girls. Ever watch Queer Eye?
Wow... yet again, I quote myself. I just now saw your s/n - Tejayes? Have I seen you around the QE boards, or is it just my imagination?
It's just your imagination. I don't watch QE. I do use the screenname everywhere online, though. Maybe you saw it somewhere else.
GypsyMoongal
January 22, 2005 - 11:28 PM
OK... I have absolutely thought that Wendy should have been gone at Episode One...she is just plain MEAN ( with her "hidden agenda" spoken from her own mouth ??!! )... and nasty and conniving...at least from what we see on the show.
And -- if she actually WINS this show ( as someone has suggested )... I think I would be ripping my hair out and screaming at the TV !!
Sophia_23
January 22, 2005 - 11:46 PM
The designers that I seem drawn to the best are Kara and Alexandra. I was a little sad that Alexandra did get vored off, but her piece was a bit lax in the creative department. Kara just exudes this whimsical, sexiness and I love it. I think that her wedding dress was brilliant! And her dress that she made for the Banana Republic challenge was lovely. I am just in awe with her. Alexandra also carries this sense of girlness to me, and I could see that in her clothes. She has a large sense of feminity to her designs and I also think that it is fabulous.
jescci
January 23, 2005 - 02:02 AM
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I've noticed, though, that Jay & Austin seldom interact ... I can't recall much conversation between them. They don't seem to be friends -- or enemies. They just ignore each other.
Different flavors of homo. Not all combine well on the palatte.
Xanalina
January 23, 2005 - 07:25 AM
Okay, so I admit I'm big with the Kevin love. There's just something so endearingly Charlie Brown about him. I know that sounds kind of weird, but he lacks CONFIDENCE. All us Kevin fans need to track him down and tell him how much we love him. We can tie him to a chair and keep him in my basement if he doesn't cooperate.
corprip
January 23, 2005 - 07:47 AM
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I've noticed, though, that Jay & Austin seldom interact ... I can't recall much conversation between them. They don't seem to be friends -- or enemies. They just ignore each other.
Different flavors of homo. Not all combine well on the palatte.
I think because they are both strong personalities, they probably try to avoid getting in one another's orbit. There definitely seems to be a hardcore competitive subtext to their relationship though, which was especially brought out in the last challenge. Also I wonder who roomed with who. Maybe Jay and Austin never really got to know one another, because Austin was too good to go out with everyone, and there is no time to chat during the challenges. But if I were Jay, I could see why he staywed away from him. My head would explode if I was exposed to Austin Scarlett, the Oregonian "New Yorker", for that long.
smrtpunk
January 23, 2005 - 07:51 AM
I'm not so sure that Wendy really is the wicked witch of the west that folks are making her out to be- true, she didn't make a secret of her original plan, but didn't she say she was scrapping that and instead simply working? I haven't seen sign of any kind of wendy sabotage in several episodes.
in a related story...
like many of you, i'm sure, i checked out the pictures on vanessa's site of the "afterparty" during the final fashion show-and lo and behold, i noticed that three of the contestants were not in any pictures- wendy, robert and kara. now, i hope i'm wrong (kara deserves it, but not the others) but could it be because they were too busy to be at the party? perhaps because they had a fashion show to organize? i certainly hope not, but haven't been proven wrong yet...
Xanalina
January 23, 2005 - 08:33 AM
I don't think Wendy's really that bad either. She seems to still be getting some heat from PR fans for her earlier behavior in episode 2. As for the pictures on Vanessa's site...I think the idea of Wendy or Robert making it to the final three is pretty laughable by now, so I wouldn't worry about. There could a lot of reasons they weren't in the pictures. Vanessa didn't seem to interact with Rob at all and I don't think she likes Wendy much so maybe that could explain them.
JesBelle
January 23, 2005 - 09:16 AM
All right, darnit. I not only think Jay is the best designer, I also think he is cutest. I may be the only one, but I think he's just cute, cute, cute. And, no, I'm not being facetious, I just have strange taste.
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