choptt
January 27, 2005 - 11:25 PM
The public judged the winners and losers of each challenge a bit differently than the show judges according to the votes they placed with their wallets in the auctions:
EPISODE 1 - Supermarket (Austin win; Daniel out)
WIN: Alex and Nora tie for win at $205
OUT: Daniel - $15
Show winner Austin a distant second with only $95 for his corn husk dress
EPISODE 3 - Banana Republic Dress (Wendy win; Starr out)
WIN: Hard to say here bec Wendy's dress wasn't auctioned; however it apparently sold out at BR. However, WIN appears to go to JAY - $555 for his Chrysler BLdg dress with Austin in second place at $460 for the debutante dress
OUT: Starr ($50) narrowly over Robert ($55)
EPISODE 4 - ROCK STAR (Kevin win; Vanessa (for Austin) out)
WIN: Jay at $465 (yes, absolutely - Jay and Kara were robbed here)
OUT: Kevin (ouch) at $120 (even the Lil' Bo Peep dress made more - $170)
EPISODE 5 - Wedding Dress (Kara win; Nora out)
WIN: Kara - $960
OUT: Nora - $105
For all you Wendy haters her dress came in 2d commanding $855 while Jay's was a far distant 3d at $335.
EPISODE 6 - BATHING SUIT (Austin win; Alexandra out)
WIN: Austin - $304
OUT: Robert - $50. Alexandra's suit commands $155 (Umm..."better a well done "inspiration" than a lousy "original"..?)
designerfan
January 28, 2005 - 01:48 AM
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designerfan
January 28, 2005 - 01:52 AM
yes he has a website its www.kevinjohnn.net and he also has a site for a knitwear collection that he makes, its www.emusestudio.com i think there are email addresses there.
4seasons
January 28, 2005 - 04:44 AM
Wendy should have been eliminated. From the beginning her designs have been awful. Her back stabbing will finally catch up with her. Thank God for judge Anne S. and her critique of Wendy's outfit. I believe the final 3 designers will be Austin, Kara and Jay. I hope that Wendy will be given the boot on the last show before the final 3 are picked. Austin's comments about Wendy seem true about her designs being a mess. She has no style, or class whatsoever. Her behavior after Kevin was eliminated was deplorable. I agree with some of the other comments about the producers going for the drama. It was a little suspicous that the judge asked Wendy to comment on Kevin's ability as a group leader. This seems like a complete set up for the drama rather than talent. Kevin should not have been eliminated. Wendy should have been gone ages ago.
jescci
January 28, 2005 - 05:10 AM
Interesting to see how the public thinks/votes compared to the judges. But in some cases these "auction votes" are not an idication of best designer of the week based on show criteria. For example.
Austin's corn husk dress was brilliantly creative and original and he won points with the judges for that. It is unwearable - or even unpreservable - and therefore didn't score with the public.
Kevin's rock 'n roll dress pleased the "client" the most and that's why he won. What the general public would think was almost a non-issue to designers that week.
I notice episode two designs were not auctioned. I guess that's because they were disposed of at the "real" auction as part of the challenge that week.
If you have time, would you consider a similar post with Runway Ratings vs. real winner and real out?
musclemonkey
January 28, 2005 - 05:33 AM
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Wendy should definitely have been out after the swimsuit episode. She didn't finish it!!!!!!! The model wore her own thong, for Pete's sake. Alexandra's suit was light years ahead of Wendy's. Wendy's was a top, not a swimsuit. Wendy is more lucky than talented.
Thank you!!! I thought I was the only one who noticed. She DID NOT complete her design and she have hit the trail.
musclemonkey
January 28, 2005 - 06:03 AM
All I can say is that if Wendy had been the leader, just think of what a disaster it would have been. Can you imagine how things would have looked and the amount of drama that would have gone on? My pick for the final 3:
Jay
Austin
Kara
Although Austin disappoints me with his ruffles and "fairy tale" designs. He doesn't appear to be too versatile.
katgirl
January 28, 2005 - 08:06 AM
re: Wendy...are you shocked her bathing suit wasn't completed? from the beginning the judges have said that her designs looked incomplete - then this week, she went too far as her deconstruction outfit deconstructed on its way down the runway. she should have been out at least on 3 different occasions, she remains in because she is the most annoying and people watch in hopes that she'll be kicked off! she doesn't belong in this group.
i think the last three will be Austin (although his take on the futuristic outfit looked like him in a dress), Karasaun and Jay
iowahousewife
January 28, 2005 - 08:17 AM
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Wendy should have been eliminated. From the beginning her designs have been awful. Her back stabbing will finally catch up with her. Thank God for judge Anne S. and her critique of Wendy's outfit. I believe the final 3 designers will be Austin, Kara and Jay. I hope that Wendy will be given the boot on the last show before the final 3 are picked. Austin's comments about Wendy seem true about her designs being a mess. She has no style, or class whatsoever. Her behavior after Kevin was eliminated was deplorable. I agree with some of the other comments about the producers going for the drama. It was a little suspicous that the judge asked Wendy to comment on Kevin's ability as a group leader. This seems like a complete set up for the drama rather than talent. Kevin should not have been eliminated. Wendy should have been gone ages ago.
TOTALLY AGREE!!
sweetsweetcandy
January 28, 2005 - 08:31 AM
OK, this is my first post on a message board - I don't mean for Project Runway, I mean EVER! It was spurred on by Wendygate - I am so sick of her! I was crushed to see the look on Kevin's face when he was eliminated the other night. I thought for a minute he might cry and it nearly broke my heart, because he has more talent in his little finger than Wendy can ever hope to have in her whole lumpy body. She makes no secret of her lack of talent when she relies so heavily on cattiness and finger-pointing. Also her hair and makeup makes her look like a reject from The Muppet Show workshop. You're on national TV, girl! Anyway, Kevin was right when he said that it doesn't pay to be nice - but on a reality show, that is. In real life, the cream always rises to the top and his talent and personality will propel him way, way further than Wendy's ever could.
Tejayes
January 28, 2005 - 08:43 AM
I posted this before, but I'd like to reiterate:
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It seems to me that a lot of people are misunderstanding the challenges and why people won and lost. I'll give an explanation:
CHALLENGE 1: Innovation. The challenge was to take unconventional items and turn them into something good-looking. The ten non-losers succeeded in either going with very strange items (Nora, Robert, Starr, Vanessa, Wendy) or making it look good (Alexandra, Jay, Kara, Kevin, Mario). Austin won because his cornhusk dress was both. Daniel lost because he took a garbage bag and butcher paper and made it look like a garbage bag and butcher paper -- not innovative.
CHALLENGE 2: Vision/Sell Your Vision. This challenge meant two things: show you think outside the box, and convince buyers of that. Kara's professionalism and design skills got her the $405 bid and the win. Likewise, Mario's laziness and over-simplicity showed that he didn't care as much for his vision as the others, including the much-hated Wendy (I love you, Wendy). That's why Mario lost.
CHALLENGE 3: Commercial Appeal. The Appeal factor not only meant how a design would appeal to customers, but also to the store carrying the design. This is why Wendy won. Her design fit the aestethic BR was looking for, was easy to construct, and looked good, too. Some, like Jay's, were a little too complex for BR. Others, like Robert's, were not very appealing. Starr failed on all accounts -- her design was ugly, looked hard-to-make, and her whole wardrobe was unappealing. Goodbye.
CHALLENGE 4: Collaboration. This challenge meant working with AND critiquing other people. The ultimate goal in this was to show how well you can work with other to make something. Kevin won because his design worked with Sarah Hudson well and he kept working on the design even when Nora was being uncooperative. Nora's behavior would have been more than enough for elimination if not for Vanessa's fatal mistake. How can you work with other people if you can't work with yourself? She admitted so many times she cannot sew, and this is bad in itself. But to confess your weakness to the judges AND not defend your weakness? Sorry, Vanessa, you're out.
CHALLENGE 5: Working with a Client. Once again, two important goals: make the client happy, and don't sell yourself out. Kara kept true to her own traditions and made a dress that was beatiful, conventional and unique at the same time, and most importantly the model loved it. Nora's problem was that she let Melissa control her and not let any of Nora's creativity show. In Nora's case, Melissa was not a client -- she was an authority figure. Fatal mistake, Nora.
Now, even though I haven't seen Eps 6 and 7 (don't have access to Bravo anymore), I can still give an educated observation based on what I have read on the internet.
CHALLENGE 6: Making A Splash. What does "Making a Splash" mean? It means 3 things to me: 1) Make an interesting swimsuit that's suitable for a party; 2) Make a good impression at the party; and 3) make a good impression on the runway. In a way, it can be compared to diving, where you actually want to have as little "splash" as possible. Austin, though inspired by other designers, didn't overtly admit this and didn't make it look like a rip-off. Plus, he performed well at the party, and his swimsuit looked really good. In other words, he pulled a double back-flip with 540 degree spin (sorry, don't know the official terms) and scored a perfect 10! Alexandra, on the other hand, admitted to basically ripping off Michael Kors (as much as she didn't mean to), looked like a loser at the party, and even made the swimsuit too small! In other words, she bellyflopped. And with Alex's little body, not even that could make a decent splash. Bye, Alex!
CHALLENGE 7: Making a Collection. Honestly, I know less about this episode than any others, primarily because everyone is on a Wendy Hate Trip and can't think straight. Apparently, Kevin was given the leadership role for this task. Whether it was truly random or not, we will never really know. However, Kevin did blow it in a couple ways. First, his outfit didn't fit the others, falling "out" of the collection. Yes, it's supposed to be a military uniform and thus a little different. But seriously, that design isn't very functional for any military. Also, there was the "pod" issue, in which he had a unifying theme going, and then dropped it. Hasn't Donald Trump fired Apprentice contestants for rejecting helpful ideas? And as Tim said, he didn't deconstruct to the degree of the others. He was out of the "collection" loop that he was supposed to lead, so he didn't really "collect" the others very well. Not a good sign, but a good cause for elimination. As for Kara winning, well, I can't really connect it to the theme, but it did look cool.
zoolander
January 28, 2005 - 08:46 AM
is wendy a mole?
by the way, kara saun, you're the winner!
-zoolander
goddessamelia
January 28, 2005 - 08:48 AM
UUUG! Please take me out of my misery and eliminate Wendy!!!!
Has anybody seen the pattern with Jay, he always says hes going to leave this week and ends up creating a gorgeous design. I love Jay but in a totally different way than with Robert. I LOVE Robert!
katgirl
January 28, 2005 - 09:02 AM
i absolutely love Robert too...he couldn't make any clothes for me but i love him.
wendy has stabbed everyone in the back that she works with - if i were on that show i wouldn't go near her with a 10 foot pole. my problem here is she gives plenty of ammunition - why isn't anybody saying anything about her?
it looks like she's headed for a meltdown and i couldn't be more pleased.
Karasaun and Jay rock! Austin is good but only in his own mind - he needs to venture out more....
britbabe
January 28, 2005 - 09:34 AM
I began watching Project Runway around the 2nd episode and have been hooked ever since. Would somebody please,please do something about Austin. Jay, is at times equally flamboyant, yet his designs only get better week after week. Austin is a very good costume designer and there are movies out there would benefit and be lucky to have him on board. As a clothes designer however, he scares me. He's either leave it to beaver (the holiday cocktail dress) or the bride of frankenstein (the only way to describe that one is tacky) although his swimsuit was a tad bit Esther Williams it did'nt reek too much of typcial Austin. Jay on the other hand is a brilliant designer, as far as I am concerned it's going to be a toss up between him and Kara Saun. Those two have to be in the final, they constantly turn out innovative and fun designs that emcompass the challenges they've been given. As for the third one, with the remaining designers it's going to be a tough call, I wish Austin well in his endevours but I don't believe he should be in the running. I was sorry to see Nora and Alexandra go. Being a designer does require vision, I just think Austin is stuck in the "good Ol' days of crinoline, petticoats, pearls and bows. For Austin to succeed he's gonna have to get with the program. At the end of the day his success depends on people actually buying his designs and getting his name out there, and getting it out there for the right reasons. Even his design of 2055 was old fashioned and matronly to a degree. Tears and tantrums can only get you so far, Austin, if you want to make it to the finals hun, ya need to get with the program. Way to go Jay and Kara Saun, I'm rooting for both of you....
paillette
January 28, 2005 - 09:39 AM
The tenor of discussion on this board is so extreme! Honestly, everyone is so emotional: it's either:
OMG AUSTIN IS THE BEST, THE MOST ROMANTIC, I LOVE LOVE LOVE AUSTIN!!!!!! or
OMG WENDY IS THE WORST, A HORRIBLE MOTHER, I HATE HATE HATE WENDY!!!
Folks, Wendy is there for pure entertainment value. Everyone will tune in just to see her cry when she gets booted -- thus Bravo is wise to keep her.
Also, I have to say I think it's a little gratuitous to accuse her of being a bad mother. It's true that she seems like a unpleasant person, but I think all the talk of pitying her child and how the kid will need therapy is really nasty. Similarly, the fantasies about Austin slapping Wendy (thus combining the two emotional extremes of above) are just mean-spirited. Just because Wendy is uncaring and nasty doesn't mean that you should take her as your role model in formulating ways to insult her and her family. Critique her design skills (low), her eye shadow (icky), her slyness (yes, she's two-faced), but leave her family and vitriolic fantasies of bodily harm out of it. The people who say these things are on Wendy's level or lower.
choptt
January 28, 2005 - 09:44 AM
Yes, I agree with you completely and was aware of it when I wrote the post. The show judges are evaluating the designer's response to a very particular set of criteria which may or may not reflect the criteria of the marketplace. (The R. Johnson challenge is prob'ly the best example since to some extent it had virtually nothing to do even with the garment itself, just the ability to make a splash with Richard!) I'm sure this will be reflected in Ep 7 where Kevin's design is actually quite stylish and good looking, but was dinged because the collection/futuristic/leadership objectives weren't met.
Still, it's fun and interesting to see where the real world dollars go; people are pretty savvy in picking out the best stuff and ultimately design is a business, these designers need to be marketable and their clothes, as Tim says, beautiful.
Frankly I'm amazed that ANYONE bought some of this stuff -- eg Wendy's candy outfit. What did they send? Deflated balloons? half melted candies picked off the models body? ribbon shards...?? Hey, maybe it was Wendy's mom. lol
katgirl
January 28, 2005 - 10:42 AM
Well paillette...what is your excuse for personally attacking other posters who come here to write their point of view about reality show contestants? did these posters attack you or something? obviously you find them annoying but anyone who enters this domain has a right to express his/her opinion as they see fit. are you a mod for this board?
Personally, I watch the show every week - I understand what the challenges are but the criteria for elimination can be corrupted by the behavior of the contestants otherwise where would the drama come from?
smrtpunk
January 28, 2005 - 10:52 AM
-enjoying reading all the posts-keep it up!-
I must say however, as someone who has done film work (and has several friends who've done "reality" tv), that we're not seeing these people at all. editing is a miraculous thing that changes hours upon hours of actual life (we could debate whether having a camera in your face un-realities it, but i digress)into something entertaining. that's the main point- not to show reality, but to entertain. because of this, the people (wish i knew how to make that italics!) that sign up for the show are transformed into characters. this doesn't mean that some observations aren't true, but that it all should be taken with a grain of salt-no need to insult someones family (not in the post i'm replying to, btw...), nor to think they're completely evil-people are complicated, and at least to producers, boring. characters aren't.
thanks for reading my digression.....
lisakaz
January 28, 2005 - 10:54 AM
Maybe you should go by the rankings for each week, not the bidding. Not all of us have the disposable income to buy stuff but more of us have a computer to rate the outfits.
lk
jescci
January 28, 2005 - 10:58 AM
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Frankly I'm amazed that ANYONE bought some of this stuff -- eg Wendy's candy outfit.
I think one reason people have bought some of the designs is just to have as a souvenir. Others are quite wearable.
In hindsight I would have liked to have seen more of Mario and Daniel. Mario's envy dress was good-looking I thought. Simple perhaps and requiring little effort and that's why he's gone, but neat, clean, balanced and sexy.
Daniel's super market design was admittedly ugly, but I liked what he was doing with the foil piping/trim. That in itself made me curious about his creativity.
I love Austin, but as has been said in various ways he just may not be hip enough. Something you could never say about Jay - Mr. Hip. Odd to note that Austin is hip in his personal style and Jay is kindy goofy. Unless I don't know what hip is anymore - entirely possible.
Re: Public Preference vs. Judges Preference: There does seem to be consitency with regard to weekly winners matching top Runway Ratings. There is less consistency with regard to those eliminated matching up with bottom Runway Ratings.
JWal
January 28, 2005 - 11:08 AM
Well, I still think Wendy is the best and now that I think about it everyone left, except for Kara, really has their downsides.
Austin- His fashion sense is still stuck in the early 1900`s. In the Futuristic challenge is looked like he really had to work just to create something that looked only averge.
Jay- I love his designs, but I agree with the judge that said he might have a hard time running a buisness.
Wendy- If you read her interview on this web-site you`ll see that she has a problem with time managment, I think that`s why most of her designs seem unfinished. I think if she was given the chance to compete in the final three then she might surprise everyone.
Robert- I really don`t like his designs, they seem boring and at times, unflattering.
I really wish that Robert gets eliminated in the next competion, followed by Austin.
Chinchilla3
January 28, 2005 - 11:10 AM
First, I would like to say like most of the other people on this board, I have become ADDICTED TO THIS SHOW! Wednesday really needs to come sooner.
Second, I would like to say that I love Wendy. Now, I know with me saying that, 75% of the people reading this have just regarded me as crazy, but listen for one second! Though Wendy may have had some designs which many thought weren't as strong as others, every design she has created has taken effort and creativity, even in the BR dress where a more classic style was utilized. In the wedding episode, she gave her model a dress with red (like the model wanted)in it that looked beautiful and MOVED beautifully, as well as a dress that the model looked great in.
The bathing suit did look very similar to a dress, but it was also one of the only bathing suits to reflect enough versatility to go from evening to night wear (yes, I know Martinique had to wear her own thong, but people switch bathing suit bottoms all the time! lol) and it was one of the only pieces almost any woman could wear, certain areas which plague many women being hidden. Even in the first episode where she made the candy bikini outfit, it was pretty, original, and different, reflecting her personality. Also, though alot of people didn't like her last outfit (the 2055 one), it was pretty: something alot of people could wear and something that looked comfortable, also fitting the assigned asthetic. The woman may be a little decitful, but when it comes to working she is profession and creative: she is a talented designer.
I know Wendy was out to win the game and that it seems that she would have done anything to win it, but atleast she was honest when necessary. Austin was a tad of a crappy leader and should have saught to comfort Vanessa more, and Kevin was a crappy leader as well, allowing Kara Saun to take over and not doing his job which was to make sure all the outfits fit together. The woman is honest when it counts: no matter if she ends up offending someone in the end.
All I am saying is to give the woman a break. Everyone who has left so far has left for a good reason, be it poor leadership skills, selling themselves short, lack of professionalism or professional work, be it copy cat work (I liked Alex, but you don't frickin' directly replicate other designers work), or for other reasons. Wendy is still on the show because she deserves to be, and I hope she stays on for a few more!
musclemonkey
January 28, 2005 - 11:15 AM
Darlin',
Wendy's bathing suit wasn't even finished. She had no bottom piece and most of her pieces have been rather horrible. But I do appreciate your right to have an opinion. If it were someone you didn't like and they had not finished the design, wouldn't you want them eliminated?
jescci
January 28, 2005 - 11:19 AM
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Maybe you should go by the rankings for each week, not the bidding. Not all of us have the disposable income to buy stuff but more of us have a computer to rate the outfits.
As you like. Here's a quick rundown of that comparison:
Episode 1
Winner: Austin
Runway Rating: 1st
Elimnated: Daniel
Runway Rating: 12/12
Episode 2
Winner: Kara
Runway Rating: 1st
Elimnated: Mario
Runway Rating: 8/11
Episode 3
Winner: Wendy
Runway Rating: 4/10
Elimnated: Starr
Runway Rating: 9/10
Episode 4
Winner: Kevin
Runway Rating: 3/3
Elimnated: N/A
Runway Rating: N/A
Episode 5
Winner: Kara
Runway Rating: 1st
Elimnated: Nora
Runway Rating: 6/8
Episode 6
Winner: Austin
Runway Rating: 1st
Elimnated: Alexandra
Runway Rating: 5/7
Episode 7
Winner: Kara
Runway Rating: 1st
Elimnated: Kevin
Runway Rating: 4/6
angeedee
January 28, 2005 - 11:34 AM
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Wendy should definitely have been out after the swimsuit episode. She didn't finish it!!!!!!! The model wore her own thong, for Pete's sake. Alexandra's suit was light years ahead of Wendy's. Wendy's was a top, not a swimsuit. Wendy is more lucky than talented.
Thank you!!! I thought I was the only one who noticed. She DID NOT complete her design and she have hit the trail.
Can I just say: this should read "she did not finish her design AGAIN."
Her first design was not finished, because it did not consist of CLOTHING. Her second design was not finished. Her BR dress was finished because it was boring, simplistic construction and something that any dress maker could whip up in a day. her swimsuit was not finished. (and i would like to let those of you know who don't sew, that shirring -- the main feature of her suit design -- is an incredibly easy effect to achieve and is often used to hide a lack of skill underneath................ For instance, Austin used sheer fabric, too, but it was draped only, allowing you to see the construction of his main suit, and you could see it was done with skill)
her 2055 outfit was finished because she didn't do any real work on it. she raveled some sweater knit.
if wendy spent more time working and less time "plotting," maybe she could come up with a finished product. But i have my doubts that she's capable of that. she doesn't seem to have the skill necessary to drape a design/cut a pattern, then execute it within the deadlines they are given on the show, so it makes me wonder if she actually possesses the skill at all, or if she's just faking like mad......
jmfitz619
January 28, 2005 - 11:37 AM
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Well, I still think Wendy is the best and now that I think about it everyone left, except for Kara, really has their downsides.
Wendy- If you read her interview on this web-site you`ll see that she has a problem with time managment, I think that`s why most of her designs seem unfinished. I think if she was given the chance to compete in the final three then she might surprise everyone.
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I'm sorry, but I just can't get the logic of being the best when time management is such a major problem. Part of the fashion industry is having the ability to create a vision, design the vision, and execute the vision all in a limited amount of time. Designers do not get the luxury of saying, "Oh, let me have a few more days, or hours." That, to me, is fatal to a designer, especially when one is not independently employed.
The simple fact remains that Wendy, personality traits aside, is a very weak designer, both in terms of concept and execution. Except for the BR dress, there has always been a problem with the clothes. Her 2055 dress looked like it was actaully falling apart on the runway, her "innovation" dress was non-existent, envy was practically falling off the model, she really contributed nothing to the rock and roll design, and I will not even get into the bathing suit, except to say how can she be the best designer when she cannot even design a bathing suit (Her very own words at the start of episode six)? True, the other designers may have their downsides (Don't we all?), but at least their finished products, off base or not, are finished products.
There is just no way to justify Wendy as the best. A weakness in time management is an unacceptable excuse for justifying unfinshed apparel, and only shores up the argument that the majority of board posters present - Wendy is the weakest remaining "designer"
paillette
January 28, 2005 - 11:40 AM
Of course, anyone is free to express their opinion on this board. My opinion is that those who are mortally offended by Wendy's nastiness, but who are extremely nasty themseves, and in an ad hominem way that brings in aspects of her life that have no connection whatever to the show, thereby merit some of the same disapproval that Wendy herself receives.
Let me be clear: I, too, think Wendy is quite unpleasant toward her fellow-designers and also that she lacks talent. She's both obnoxious and out of her league. As viewers, we have the right to make those judgements. But her relationship to her kid is not really any of our business, and dragging the kid in, it strikes me, can only be done with the goal of being as nasty and hurtful as possible. And if your goal is to try to devise ways to be maximally nasty and hurtful... well, then you're a lot like Wendy.
ihatewendy
January 28, 2005 - 11:40 AM
Are you kidding??? I visited her website, and her clothes are just horrible and ugly, and these are the clothes that she made when she had the time to finish. Especially, the piece where she had a stupid body suit underneath a grandmom's see-through gown???? And if you want to criticize Jay's personality for not be able to run a business. What about Wendy??? She is mean, manipulative and dishonest, in addition, she has no taste, talent or creativity!!!! She can sitch her mood from being a back stabbing [expletive deleted] to oh-poor-me crying mother. How manipulative is that!!!! At the end, it is all about talent, and she has none. Cut that time management [censored]
PaleFire76
January 28, 2005 - 11:52 AM
Hey, thanks for the rundown! It does not seem the people's ratings and the judge pick as winner and loser are too disparate.
kitkit
January 28, 2005 - 11:55 AM
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Jay- I love his designs, but I agree with the judge that said he might have a hard time running a buisness.
Errr, doubtful. Doesn't he already run his own business?
angeedee
January 28, 2005 - 12:13 PM
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Jay- I love his designs, but I agree with the judge that said he might have a hard time running a buisness.
Errr, doubtful. Doesn't he already run his own business?
If you are referring to R. Johnson, I think what he said was that he would have a hard time imagining Jay at a business meeting at the four seasons, or something along those lines. And I know what he's saying, but for pete's sake we're talking about the fashion industry here. surely there are allowances made for the artistic temperament.
i think when it comes down to it, what is needed in the industry is talent as a designer, and jay has that in spades, in my opinion.
marroinventions
January 28, 2005 - 02:57 PM
vanessa gives a fabulous interview and talks about everything! i was suprised about her comments on heidi and the cameramen and the show's treatment of the designers, i wasnt so suprised about what she said about wendy...it was just a great interview! i really like her now, too bad shes gone...and oh yah...kara wins...
angeedee
January 28, 2005 - 03:42 PM
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vanessa gives a fabulous interview and talks about everything! i was suprised about her comments on heidi and the cameramen and the show's treatment of the designers, i wasnt so suprised about what she said about wendy...it was just a great interview! i really like her now, too bad shes gone...and oh yah...kara wins...
hmmm. i read the whole article, and didn't see any comment about kara winning. maybe that part was written in invisible ink? (I didn't hold it up to a lightbulb.)
This was posted several times, and i thank the folks who did it. it was interesting to read about vanessa's design philosophies. she seems like a smart cookie.
birdaileen
January 28, 2005 - 03:50 PM
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Maybe you should go by the rankings for each week, not the bidding. Not all of us have the disposable income to buy stuff but more of us have a computer to rate the outfits.
As you like. Here's a quick rundown of that comparison:
Episode 1
Winner: Austin
Runway Rating: 1st
Elimnated: Daniel
Runway Rating: 12/12
Episode 2
Winner: Kara
Runway Rating: 1st
Elimnated: Mario
Runway Rating: 8/11
Episode 3
Winner: Wendy
Runway Rating: 4/10
Elimnated: Starr
Runway Rating: 9/10
Episode 4
Winner: Kevin
Runway Rating: 3/3
Elimnated: N/A
Runway Rating: N/A
Episode 5
Winner: Kara
Runway Rating: 1st
Elimnated: Nora
Runway Rating: 6/8
Episode 6
Winner: Austin
Runway Rating: 1st
Elimnated: Alexandra
Runway Rating: 5/7
Episode 7
Winner: Kara
Runway Rating: 1st
Elimnated: Kevin
Runway Rating: 4/6
thanks so much-- very interesting. I wonder how much the audience is influenced by the 'actual' winner when they rate online.
Tejayes
January 28, 2005 - 04:06 PM
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First, I would like to say like most of the other people on this board, I have become ADDICTED TO THIS SHOW! Wednesday really needs to come sooner.
Second, I would like to say that I love Wendy. Now, I know with me saying that, 75% of the people reading this have just regarded me as crazy, but listen for one second! Though Wendy may have had some designs which many thought weren't as strong as others, every design she has created has taken effort and creativity, even in the BR dress where a more classic style was utilized. In the wedding episode, she gave her model a dress with red (like the model wanted)in it that looked beautiful and MOVED beautifully, as well as a dress that the model looked great in.
The bathing suit did look very similar to a dress, but it was also one of the only bathing suits to reflect enough versatility to go from evening to night wear (yes, I know Martinique had to wear her own thong, but people switch bathing suit bottoms all the time! lol) and it was one of the only pieces almost any woman could wear, certain areas which plague many women being hidden. Even in the first episode where she made the candy bikini outfit, it was pretty, original, and different, reflecting her personality. Also, though alot of people didn't like her last outfit (the 2055 one), it was pretty: something alot of people could wear and something that looked comfortable, also fitting the assigned asthetic. The woman may be a little decitful, but when it comes to working she is profession and creative: she is a talented designer.
I know Wendy was out to win the game and that it seems that she would have done anything to win it, but atleast she was honest when necessary. Austin was a tad of a crappy leader and should have saught to comfort Vanessa more, and Kevin was a crappy leader as well, allowing Kara Saun to take over and not doing his job which was to make sure all the outfits fit together. The woman is honest when it counts: no matter if she ends up offending someone in the end.
All I am saying is to give the woman a break. Everyone who has left so far has left for a good reason, be it poor leadership skills, selling themselves short, lack of professionalism or professional work, be it copy cat work (I liked Alex, but you don't frickin' directly replicate other designers work), or for other reasons. Wendy is still on the show because she deserves to be, and I hope she stays on for a few more!
It's as if you took the words right out of my mind! I totally agree, Chinchilla. Wendy is way underappreciated, and I would LOVE to see her win, just to see the look on everyone's faces!
GO WENDY!!!
fashionmaven
January 28, 2005 - 04:58 PM
EXCUSE ME!!!! Wendy is probably, no wait Wendy is the most annoyingly crabby person on the show. I can't stand her, she whines and complains about everything, she has no fashion sense at all or she would dress way better than she does. What is the problem? She complained that Vanessa wasn't nice to her, well I wouldn't want to be nice to her either if I knew her. She stabbed two fellow designers in the back when she whined about how they weren't good leaders. I think that the only reason that she complained was because she wasn't chosen to be a leader. All she talks about is how she's a mother!!! NO ONE CARES!!! She needs to move around and find something better to do with her life than design, I mean she can't even make a thong, how hard is it to make a thong?! I will admit that the dress that she designed for Banana Republic was good, that's only because it was blatantly plagarized from the Banana Republic collection. Hello! Folks she said it herself and I quote," I wanted to make a good design so I researched the collection and noticed that the collection had capes so I decided to make a cape for my dress". That's cheating... Alexandra was kicked off for doing the same thing and I think that she was a much better designer that Wendy will ever be!
Chinchilla3
January 28, 2005 - 06:39 PM
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EXCUSE ME!!!! Wendy is probably, no wait Wendy is the most annoyingly crabby person on the show. I can't stand her, she whines and complains about everything, she has no fashion sense at all or she would dress way better than she does. What is the problem? She complained that Vanessa wasn't nice to her, well I wouldn't want to be nice to her either if I knew her. She stabbed two fellow designers in the back when she whined about how they weren't good leaders. I think that the only reason that she complained was because she wasn't chosen to be a leader. All she talks about is how she's a mother!!! NO ONE CARES!!! She needs to move around and find something better to do with her life than design, I mean she can't even make a thong, how hard is it to make a thong?! I will admit that the dress that she designed for Banana Republic was good, that's only because it was blatantly plagarized from the Banana Republic collection. Hello! Folks she said it herself and I quote," I wanted to make a good design so I researched the collection and noticed that the collection had capes so I decided to make a cape for my dress". That's cheating... Alexandra was kicked off for doing the same thing and I think that she was a much better designer that Wendy will ever be!
Wendy adjusted her designing to BR just as she was suppose to do, considering that it is an established company which has its own style, while allowing her personality to show in her work. Alex's design was a almost dead on replica of those two designers work, her personality and unique design style almost nonexistant. Huge difference.
ThomsTeddyBear
January 28, 2005 - 06:50 PM
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All I am saying is to give the woman a break. Everyone who has left so far has left for a good reason, be it poor leadership skills, selling themselves short, lack of professionalism or professional work, be it copy cat work (I liked Alex, but you don't frickin' directly replicate other designers work), or for other reasons. Wendy is still on the show because she deserves to be, and I hope she stays on for a few more!
I'd like to giver her a break alright! What comes out of her mouth comes out of her mouth and is NOT edited. They show it in streaming video not chopped up like in the commercials. I'll echo the ones here who have wished her certain "things". I won't say any more than that - God would be unhappy with me if I did.
kitkit
January 28, 2005 - 06:52 PM
QUOTE: Alex's design was a almost dead on replica of those two designers work, her personality and unique design style almost nonexistant. Huge difference.
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During the swimsuit episode, there were cuts to two different clips of runway shows, presumably a Massoni (sp.?) show and the Michael Corrs show, when Alexandra was talking about her "inspiration." However, none of the two bathing suits shown really looked like hers. I remember one of them was a brown one-piece with a bit of gold on the front, but I don't remember the other exactly. Were those the ones that she was allegedly copying? If not, does anyone have a picture of the plagiarized bathing suit?
dumb
January 28, 2005 - 08:55 PM
Uck! Read the VR interview, she talks great—if you only know fashion from the PR perspective.
First, she talks as though she some-sort of grand dam of fashion (all I have to say is {I’m assuming this b/c in the UK you do a foundation yr then apply onto a three yr program…her date are 87, 89} her BA hons is form Kent MA Rochester…neither are on the map in fashion in the UK)
Second, why move form London to Houston. when you want to do fashion (in the US only places to be is NY or LA… even the dumbest person in the UK can tell you this) Beyond this, I’ve personally have live in TX, London, and NY…all I can say is TX? TX?..Houston…do you know humidity?? Yeah let’s move there when I want to put looks together with jackets…TX?? Crack isn’t that cheep there…(move to NY Morgan can hook you up)
Third, does she not know reading comp? everything that is going on in the show was said in the brief about the show before try outs, on bravo’s website….exception the uniform challenge said could be redesigning the NYPD uniform…l
UCK! Won’t say more, but I hear a repeat of Ashlee saving face..”My band started playing the wrong song (dam that drum for mimicking my voice)”..”No, my voice was strained”. No, “Everyone uses back-up vocal to make their voice sound stronger” no “Acid-Reflux” yeah…that’s it save some face…(ohh yeah, how many “fashion people” Ms. VR wear their own logo shirt on reality TV???)
Ps. The final episode has not even been filmed…so no one know who has won
lisakaz
January 28, 2005 - 09:38 PM
I enjoyed the interview. I might be an ideal Vanessa client. I just need to parlay my education into a job first.
lk
GypsyMoongal
January 28, 2005 - 10:56 PM
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First, I would like to say like most of the other people on this board, I have become ADDICTED TO THIS SHOW! Wednesday really needs to come sooner.
Second, I would like to say that I love Wendy. Now, I know with me saying that, 75% of the people reading this have just regarded me as crazy, but listen for one second! Though Wendy may have had some designs which many thought weren't as strong as others, every design she has created has taken effort and creativity, even in the BR dress where a more classic style was utilized. In the wedding episode, she gave her model a dress with red (like the model wanted)in it that looked beautiful and MOVED beautifully, as well as a dress that the model looked great in.
The bathing suit did look very similar to a dress, but it was also one of the only bathing suits to reflect enough versatility to go from evening to night wear (yes, I know Martinique had to wear her own thong, but people switch bathing suit bottoms all the time! lol) and it was one of the only pieces almost any woman could wear, certain areas which plague many women being hidden. Even in the first episode where she made the candy bikini outfit, it was pretty, original, and different, reflecting her personality. Also, though alot of people didn't like her last outfit (the 2055 one), it was pretty: something alot of people could wear and something that looked comfortable, also fitting the assigned asthetic. The woman may be a little decitful, but when it comes to working she is profession and creative: she is a talented designer.
I know Wendy was out to win the game and that it seems that she would have done anything to win it, but atleast she was honest when necessary. Austin was a tad of a crappy leader and should have saught to comfort Vanessa more, and Kevin was a crappy leader as well, allowing Kara Saun to take over and not doing his job which was to make sure all the outfits fit together. The woman is honest when it counts: no matter if she ends up offending someone in the end.
All I am saying is to give the woman a break. Everyone who has left so far has left for a good reason, be it poor leadership skills, selling themselves short, lack of professionalism or professional work, be it copy cat work (I liked Alex, but you don't frickin' directly replicate other designers work), or for other reasons. Wendy is still on the show because she deserves to be, and I hope she stays on for a few more!
It's as if you took the words right out of my mind! I totally agree, Chinchilla. Wendy is way underappreciated, and I would LOVE to see her win, just to see the look on everyone's faces!
GO WENDY!!!
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I can't disagree more.
Epsiode 1... what outfit ?? there was nothing to it.
Episode 2 ... unfinished...tattered...UGLy ( IMO )
Episode 3....BR liked it -- I still think it was not the type of item that would fit most body types... it even made the model look dowdy.
Let's see.. from there we have the episode where she refused to speak to anyone on Austin's group project....It was supposed to be a "team" effort... and she wasn't talking ???
The wedding dress... personally I don't like at all. But I will give you that it was what the model wanted; and at least it fit her.
Then we have the bathing suit. She made it very clear that she didn't even know how to make a suit... and failed miserably on the bottom. Couldn't she have bought a pattern ??? The colors were great... especially on Martinique... but she DIDN'T FINISH the outfit.. seems like that would be basic criteria.
Then this past week's "collaboration effort." She ( according to the show ) .. made "a pact" with Kevin.. only to betray him in the end. Nice. But, back to the outfit. I think one of the judges said it best. It looked "like something her cat had spit up". Yes; it was in the vein of the theme of the group... but it certainly looked like she had merely shredded the material.
I personally think Wendy is "way underappreciated" because her designs are; for the most part... not as good as the others... and HELLO -- what about her attitude, conniving, backstabbing, MEAN-ness ?
Thoughts anyone ?
GypsyMoongal
January 28, 2005 - 11:19 PM
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Wendy makes me ashamed of my own gender. I don't know or care if she's a plant or not--her selfish antics make her a horrible role model for her five year-old daughter. That poor kid is probably mortified. And it doesn't matter to me if she gets into the top three (I don't think she will. I think it will be Kara, Austin and Jay), you couldn't give me a Wendy Pepper design. Does she really think the millions of viewers watching would ever want her name on their clothing label? No thanks, not me.
She has a 5yr old ?!! Personally, someone should start saving for her therapy NOW.
It makes me wonder what her family/ clients are thinking when they see how mean and conniving she is.....
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I apologize for my comment about Wendy's daughter possibly needing therapy. I was simply going by Wendy's attitude and traits on the show and extrapolating. Sorry.
I do wonder, however; what her family thinks of her verbalizations and actions on the show.....
snoops
January 28, 2005 - 11:50 PM
I cannot believe that some of you like Wendy, and I further cannot believe that some of you think Wendy is a good designer. What exactly do you like about her? Her so-called "honesty" when she reamed Kevin? Would some of you do that to a co-worker or even a fellow competitor? She saw her moment, and took it, and saved her own ass, but why is this a redeemable factor in a human being? Why is berating someone considered an "honest" act?
I seriously doubt that Wendy would have made a better leader. Her snide comment about Kara Saun's leadership came from insecurity and envy, because Kara Saun was doing what a smart designer would do: looking at the big picture of "selling" a collection to a buyer.
And, if you think Wendy is a good designer, go to
http://wendypepper.com and look at those clothes! Very similar to the wedding dress she designed for Joy. Look at the odd way the assymetry in the skirt falls & drapes. If someone can honestly say, "hey, that would look good on me!" Then, more power to you! Her patterns are ill-fitting, and her website photos emphasize this fact. Do those women in the photos look good in those dresses? I mean, really! Come on. You guys must be joking.
Lastly, all of Wendy's machinations come from one place: insecurity. Insecurity is a very dangerous thing, and in the end, it's going to hurt Wendy. Who is going to buy her clothes after weeks and weeks of being told that her items are "poorly constructed"?
lisakaz
January 28, 2005 - 11:53 PM
A lot of us have had similar thoughts; you and a few others gave them a sharp voice. Given that Wendy herself is so keen on (as Howard Cosell often said) "telling it like it is" I don't think people should be faulted too much for giving her a taste of her own medicine. Yeah, it's harsh, but so is she. Kinda fair in a karmic way.
lk
choptt
January 29, 2005 - 12:26 AM
Thanks for doing that ranking, interesting. Sorry I didn't have time either to finish responding to your post or to do it myself. Frankly, I didn't know there were runway polls.
Yes, I agree re souvenir, especially when purchasing something like the corn husk dress. However in the case of the candy I just wonder what you actually have in hand, even as a souvenir, since the dress was almost completely comprised of disintegrating materials not held together by an actual constructed garment. (BTW none of my comments are intended to insult Wendy or contribute to the Wendy mudfest, which I find uninteresting and a bit disturbing.)
snoops
January 29, 2005 - 01:03 AM
Okay, okay, can't resist. So, these are the great designs from Wendy? The grey and black dress with the weird draping? Uh...yeah...
http://wendypepper.com/fashion2.cfm
nycgal
January 29, 2005 - 07:42 AM
Next time the designers do a futuristic show using vintage wear, pay attention to details. Did you see the shoes that Austin's model wore with the classy cocktail dress. Check the auction board picture of Austin's design. The model must have impaired feet to have worn that shoe. Shoe designers must be kicking their heels in their grave of designs.
nycgal
January 29, 2005 - 07:56 AM
Another observation from the futuristic design challenge... THE HAIR. What motivated the hair stylists to style Wendy's and Austin's models. These are beautiful models.They did not have a proud look about themselves. If the future of hair styles is that look, we will not have to do anything to our hair in the morning. The make up artists and hair artists have done an excellent job for the past shows.