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NBAdeeva

January 29, 2005 - 11:55 AM

I don't know if I could call the last episode disappointing, but I was surprised to see that Kevin was eliminated. I wasn't a big fan of Kevin, but I am definitely not a fan of Wendy. She is a mess. I didn't think her outfit looked anything like 2055. I don't think Wendy is strong enough to make it to the final 3 unless the judges frickin lose their minds. I definitely want Kara Saun and Jay to be in the top 3 and I think they will.

Shefali

January 29, 2005 - 12:29 PM

Okay, I seriously love this show. I think I have a scary obsession. But its so PERFECT for all of us who have loved fashion like a sister and we never get any TV shows!! YAY. Okay, so anyway, KARA SAUN is so amazing. Of course, I'm sure everyone says this, but seriously. How is it possible? I can't wait until her line comes out (which I am SURE it will)...
I have to say, I def think it will be down to her and someone else in the end. I really hope Bravo doesn't try to pull what Top Model did by choosing the underdog just for the shock element. I mean, I know everyone's out for ratings, but in this case the real talent should win.
Also, I keep reading that everyone just LOVES jay, but I am a little confused about him... his designs are just so hard core and rough... I mean they are definately unique but I can't say I've been impressed time after time.
How about that Wendy... she is definately next to go, thought I have to say that I've been very on and off with her... sometimes its like WHAT and other times you think WOW (maybe just the BR dress... but still..)
Okay... Got that out of my system

Loomchick

January 29, 2005 - 02:02 PM

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I am definitely not a fan of Wendy. She is a mess. I didn't think her outfit looked anything like 2055.

I couldn't agree more! Wendy's outfit looked like some really old cardigans that were moth-eaten and then put through a blender for effect. Just awful!

runwayaddict

January 29, 2005 - 03:44 PM

I agree with Wendy that Kevin's leadership skills were very weak. He had already proven to be lacking in that area during the rock-n-roll team challenge. I still think Jay's team should have won that challenge, especially since at least part of the decision was supposed to be based on how well the team worked together. Kevin's team did not work well as a cohesive unit, and I think it was just a happy little accident that the design looked as good as it did. Sarah just happened to like it the best. Given the responsibility of leadership again, Kevin showed that he doesn't have a take charge personality. In addition, his design looked like it fit into the collection the least.

I do, however, think that Wendy was unnecessarily vindictive in her criticism of Kevin. She shook hands with him while they were working together and said, "I'm cool. You didn't know that about me." Obviously another thing Kevin didn't know was that he was about to be betrayed. I have not liked any of Wendy's designs except the BR party dress and think she will soon be eliminated from the competition.

Kara Saun's design was gorgeous. She proved once again to be an amazingly creative artist. I loved when Jay looked at her design and said, "How do you come up with this s..t!" He was truly in awe. I knew the instant Kara's design hit the runway that she had won again! I had the same feeling about Kara's wedding dress. The way she came to Kevin's defense before the judges was a very, very classy thing to do. It made me like her even more than I already did.

GypsyMoongal

January 29, 2005 - 04:33 PM

So -- Obviously I would like to see Wendy leave the show ( and have since episode 1 )... I am hoping the top 3 will be

KaraSaun
Jay
Austin

I think that Robert ( on the whole ) has been up ( envy and 2055 ) and down ( bathing suit, BR dress ). I think it is a good thing that he has confidence in his work; and is able to "sell" his ideas well. These are both good traits to have if you are going to be selling your own product.
I did like alot of Kevin's designs; but agreed that he didn't have strong leadership skills; and often was rushing at the last minute to finish things ( but at least he finished them ). I think he will land on his feet and do well.
I was very fond of Vanessa; and wish she would have been on the show longer so that I could have seen what she would have come up with. I think the response to her on the show has been positive... I hope it brings her more business.
In that vein; I think Nora would have come up with some really interesting outfits too. Nora's main "weakness" seemed to be her tantrums... hopefully this is something she will get over. She is certainly talented.
Alexandra seemed to be a very nice person... perhaps a bit too quiet.. in that she tended to blend into the background and become easily forgotten. Her designs seemed to be good; not great.. but she did have a strong work ethic...BONUS.
Mario -- I think he left at an appropriate time.
Daniel -- My only complaint is that his ego seemed HUGE in proportion to his abilities....but then; we saw only one outfit.
Starr -- hmm. I didn't like anything she did on the show... and was equally unimpressed by her website. I think that she probably is a good lawyer... and probably makes some nice outfits for herself and her family. I was surprised that she lasted as long as she did on the show.
Wendy -- argh. I truly believe she should have left on the 1st episode with the lifesaver bikini thing....and am extremely frustrated every episode that she somehow manages to stay on. I can't help but wonder if her business will suffer after what she has shown herself to be like on the show.
KaraSaun -- I have liked everything she has done. She has a strong work ethic. She "plays nice with others" and stands up for those she works with. She seems to have alot of talent.
Austin -- He has been up and down IMO. I really liked his BR dress; and I actually liked his R & R dress ( although where would you wear it ?). His swimsuit was luscious. His wedding dress probably would have been better received had it been in shades of white and cream instead. I didn't like the 2055 outfit at all... but then; he prefers to work in ( and does better in ) a more vintage style.
Jay -- love him. Love his humor... love his designs ( yes even the S&M suit ). He manages to get the varied assignments done; and yet still retain his own personal style.

If I had my "druthers"... I would wish that Jay would win... but I would be equally happy of KaraSaun won.
I think Austin has developed a strong fan-base.. and will land on his feet even if he doesn't win.

Thoughts ??

nabakov5

January 29, 2005 - 04:56 PM

I MISS KEVIN!!!!!

lizlucky7

January 29, 2005 - 06:42 PM

Hi! Can you tell me where's Jay store please...! I really like his designs I think he really rocks!!! Thanks!

marroinventions

January 29, 2005 - 07:06 PM

ok so i was thinking about a subject that was talked about before....someone mentioned something about austin be able to design like he does because hes "austin" and the judges expect the froo froo from him and so forth. I wonder if the designers were not told to stand with their models after the runway if the results would be different. I mean isnt this competition about talent?...who the best designer is? they why would their work ethic or some flaw in their personality determine their credibility as a designer?....my point being...would wendy already have been out?...would austin's wedding dress given him the boot?...i think the judges have been inconsistant with how they judge each design..one week its about conforming to a particlar line (BR challenge) the next its about stading to your own style and the next its both...so my point being...really, what are they actually judging?..the design or the designers..or maybe its who they just really dont like?...i have to say im dissappointed with the judges reasoning for giving the boot each week...
ALSO!.... the VR article i thought was great because she just gave it straight...whether or not you agree is something entirely different...she told it like she saw it and that makes me respect her that much more...
...and one more thought...the challenges are designed to do exactly that..challenge... but does the designers working with ralph lauren ever have to make a garment out of 4 yards of cotton, or do they have to go to the grocery store and come back with a wearable design?...i love the designers..but i guess im kinda hating on the show...i think the challenges should be more about actually designing...also...VR got the boot because she couldnt sew?...since when did designers sew?...thats what seamstresses are for, right?...imma little more that annoyed...but like i said..i love the designers for their creativity and ingenuity...but i actiually think the challenges are little bit more than annoying...just what i was thinking...

darling

January 29, 2005 - 08:21 PM

Hi, I'm new here!
I've become quite obsessed with Project Runway. I have a massive amount of time on my hands now (I've been stuck in the hospital for about a month), so I've been able to catch ALL the re-runs during the day. Ha! Isn't that just disgusting, how hooked I am? Anyway, I've been a die-hard Austin Scarlett fan since I started watching. His corn husk dress was brilliant! But recently I've been a bit disappointed with some of his designs...for example, his wedding dress and his 2055 design. He's very talented, though! Jay's designs are gorgeous, too, but I can't say I'm a fan of his swimsuit. I don't think anyone in the right mind would wear that on the beach...but it looks nice on the runway. I'd love to see either of them win, but I think in the end it will be all Kara Saun. She, too, is extremely talented. Her designs are beautiful and simple; she is more suited to have a mentorship with Banana Republic. Honestly, I love all three of these designers! Robert and Wendy...I just don't think they can measure up to Jay, Kara, and Austin. I'd really like to see Wendy go next.
By the way, did anyone happen to read Entertainment Weekly's "Must List" this week? At least, I think it was this week's. #4 was "Wendy Pepper from Project Runway"! Ha!
-- darling

goddessamelia

January 29, 2005 - 08:25 PM

I also like the Vanessa interview, I was sad to see her go specially since some should have left instead. I like to hear about behind the scene stuff. It was interesting to learn about her and what type of customer she designs for.

frijoles

January 29, 2005 - 09:19 PM

Austin is fabulous. it's time we return to classic glamour. I think we've all had enough the trashy trend and Austin has stepped in to make the change. Essentially, we're best friends, he just doesn't know it yet. Call me, baby.

JustTzujIt

January 29, 2005 - 09:50 PM

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ok so i was thinking about a subject that was talked about before....someone mentioned something about austin be able to design like he does because hes "austin" and the judges expect the froo froo from him and so forth. I wonder if the designers were not told to stand with their models after the runway if the results would be different. I mean isnt this competition about talent?...who the best designer is? they why would their work ethic or some flaw in their personality determine their credibility as a designer?....my point being...would wendy already have been out?...would austin's wedding dress given him the boot?...i think the judges have been inconsistant with how they judge each design..one week its about conforming to a particlar line (BR challenge) the next its about stading to your own style and the next its both...so my point being...really, what are they actually judging?..the design or the designers..or maybe its who they just really dont like?...i have to say im dissappointed with the judges reasoning for giving the boot each week...
ALSO!.... the VR article i thought was great because she just gave it straight...whether or not you agree is something entirely different...she told it like she saw it and that makes me respect her that much more...
...and one more thought...the challenges are designed to do exactly that..challenge... but does the designers working with ralph lauren ever have to make a garment out of 4 yards of cotton, or do they have to go to the grocery store and come back with a wearable design?...i love the designers..but i guess im kinda hating on the show...i think the challenges should be more about actually designing...also...VR got the boot because she couldnt sew?...since when did designers sew?...thats what seamstresses are for, right?...imma little more that annoyed...but like i said..i love the designers for their creativity and ingenuity...but i actiually think the challenges are little bit more than annoying...just what i was thinking...

I see your point. I haven't quite liked the judges contradictory reasons for giving certain designers the boot - even though I never liked Nora I was upset that they eliminated her when the point of the challenge was to cater to your client and I think Wendy would have been a better person to be eliminated - it seems like the judges aren't keeping the assignment in mind when judging and judge only by outside factors like originality, style and function which are all good factors to judge on but they are not CONCEPT. Most of the challenges are about just that - concept. Challenges should not be judged by just one thing but by all four and it seems each designer is only judged on one factor as their creation heads down the runway.
That being said, I think the challenges have been very creative because they are so extreme that if a designer does well under those conditions, you know they will fair excellently in the real business.

jescci

January 30, 2005 - 06:25 AM

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the challenges are designed to do exactly that..challenge... but does the designers working with ralph lauren ever have to make a garment out of 4 yards of cotton, or do they have to go to the grocery store and come back with a wearable design?

Part of the set-up of the challenges is to put pressure on the designers to ellicit emotional reactions for camera. But you could make an argument that something bizarro like forcing a desinger to make a dress out of food helps determine who can think the most creatively and work the most efficiently under that same pressure. The working world is full of its own challenges - even if not specifically bizarro ones.

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i think the judges have been inconsistant with how they judge each design..one week its about conforming to a particlar line (BR challenge) the next its about stading to your own style and the next its both...so my point being...really, what are they actually judging?..

It's a combination of conforming and being independant. Sometimes more towards one than the other. It's only prudent to conform more in a situation where you're working with an established store with its own fashion line like BR - and less when you're working with an amateur retail client.

And yet I agree that often the judging seems arbitrary and the criteria vague.

ericats

January 30, 2005 - 01:20 PM

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VR got the boot because she couldnt sew?...since when did designers sew?...thats what seamstresses are for, right?

Actually, John Galliano is an excellent sewer and if one of his designs doesn't "hang right" he does the seamtress work himself to get it perfect.

ThomsTeddyBear

January 30, 2005 - 02:38 PM

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Austin is fabulous. it's time we return to classic glamour. I think we've all had enough the trashy trend and Austin has stepped in to make the change. Essentially, we're best friends, he just doesn't know it yet. Call me, baby.

lol

darling

January 30, 2005 - 02:54 PM

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Austin is fabulous. it's time we return to classic glamour. I think we've all had enough the trashy trend and Austin has stepped in to make the change. Essentially, we're best friends, he just doesn't know it yet. Call me, baby.

Right on!

paillette

January 30, 2005 - 03:21 PM

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it's time we return to classic glamour. I think we've all had enough the trashy trend

What exactly is "the trashy trend" that "we all" are tired of?

If I don't like Austin's clothes does that mean I'm part of "the trashy trend"?

You can admire Austin without having to imply that his style is the only morally defensible way to dress.

Istya

January 30, 2005 - 03:59 PM

I agree. And to be honest, I'd say what's being described as "fashionable" right now is more modest than many trends of the past. For example, if you walk through a major department store, you're mostly likely to find very modest vintage cardigans. People who like to show off their bodies are going to show them off no matter what's "cool" or "uncool." I'm all for modesty, but there are certainly different ways to go about it.

nycgal

January 30, 2005 - 05:24 PM

KARA SAUN is so amazing. Of course, I'm sure everyone says this, but seriously. How is it possible? I can't wait until her line comes out (which I am SURE it will)...
I have to say, I def think it will be down to her and someone else in the end. I really hope Bravo doesn't try to pull what Top Model did by choosing the underdog just for the shock element. I mean, I know everyone's out for ratings, but in this case the real talent should win.

Kara's vision with leather has been wonderful. I believe she is the one who made the top part of Jay's rocker outfit. Her futuristic design with leather was fun. Her swim suit design could have been in white leather (I know it wasn't) Remember these designers do not have alot of time for these challenges. I wouldn't be surprised how much their designs may have changed if they were to have more time to rethink things out. Of course all this publicity for each of these PR designers are incredible. What would a upcoming designer do to have one of their designs on T.V. and be reviewed by a major fashion force.

If you look at the past Nov.issue of Vogue,(pg408) a spread was done on the ten innovative designers for a fashion fund sponsored by Vogue and the Council of Fashion Designers of America awarding the winner two hundred thousand to start their business. It is a wonderful article talking about why we need to support and mentor new designers. The Vogue photos also showed the excitement fashion brings. There were alot of happy faces among the models, designers and judges inspite of the pressure. It is a wonderful article.
I look up to Elle Magazine for supporting the concept to promote an uncoming designer on T.V. by it's involvement with this show, Elle has a more youthful appeal than Vogue. Becareful to Elle magazine not to make this show a shocker but a classy winner. The fashion world will go on without Wendy and Morgan....There will always be someone to take their place, but will there be another Tom Ford?.

Somuchforthat

January 30, 2005 - 07:37 PM

Watching the reruns tonight. Rob went to such reckless lengths to impress Alex, that he broke his head. "Oh, don't cut my hair, ER doctors!"

He'd rather risk dying in his sleep, apparently! Rob isn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier, is he. But he sure thinks he's cute.

goddessamelia

January 30, 2005 - 07:49 PM

I think hes cute too!

darling

January 30, 2005 - 07:50 PM

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Watching the reruns tonight. Rob went to such reckless lengths to impress Alex, that he broke his head. "Oh, don't cut my hair, ER doctors!"

He'd rather risk dying in his sleep, apparently! Rob isn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier, is he. But he sure thinks he's cute.

I'm watching them as well. The whole Robert thing is wildly funny to me. Hm...I think he'd still look cute even if the doctors did cut his hair.
I couldn't help yelling at the television screen when Nora picked Melissa instead of Audrey, because as we all know that turned out to be the wrong choice! If Nora had chosen Audrey, she probably would still be on the show...maybe in place of Wendy.
-- darling

Somuchforthat

January 30, 2005 - 07:54 PM

Yep, Rob's cute enough for a haircut. Doofus!

Somuchforthat

January 30, 2005 - 08:03 PM

Finally had to comment on Nora wearing one of those death roses from the wedding dress on her tank top, like she's totally on board. We know she wasn't, and so did the judges. I guess she not only lost herself, she found her 16-year-old and bought into it. She really does need to grow in confidence.

darling

January 30, 2005 - 08:10 PM

I agree. Nora definately has loads of talent. I loved all her earlier designs on the show. She just wasn't mature enough, I think...remember her episode during the Sarah Hudson challenge?

snoops

January 30, 2005 - 08:29 PM

correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Kara Saun is in the Top 3 because she has a guaranteed IN for the next challenge and can't be eliminated. That leaves Jay, Austin, Robert, and Wendy remaining.

darling

January 30, 2005 - 08:39 PM

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correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Kara Saun is in the Top 3 because she has a guaranteed IN for the next challenge and can't be eliminated. That leaves Jay, Austin, Robert, and Wendy remaining.

I'm pretty sure that you're 100% correct. Jay and Austin will fill the remaining spots, naturally. There's truly something wrong with the judges if Wendy makes it to the final three.
-- darling

Somuchforthat

January 30, 2005 - 08:40 PM

Yeom yo're right. Unless the rules changed? I don't they did. This time, lol!

jescci

January 30, 2005 - 09:06 PM

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correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Kara Saun is in the Top 3 because she has a guaranteed IN for the next challenge and can't be eliminated.

You're wrong. Because after the next ellimination there will be four designers left. So Kara can still be cut going from four to three.

She won't be, of course, because she's too good.

darling

January 30, 2005 - 09:30 PM

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You're wrong. Because after the next ellimination there will be four designers left. So Kara can still be cut going from four to three.

She won't be, of course, because she's too good.

Oh, ha. That's right. It seems as if we forgot an elimination.
And, it is just me, or does Tim's voice sound almost identical to Ben Stein's?

Somuchforthat

January 30, 2005 - 09:56 PM

Yes, that's right. And I can't be the only one who noticed that Wendy is being photographed in a particularly unflattering way. I swear, if we are being played in some typical network "reality" way that I've completely avoided thus far, there will certainly be no second season of PR for me. I actually thought this was about something.

hms70119

January 30, 2005 - 10:04 PM

Like so many others on here, I have truly come to dislike Wendy. There are so many reasons she's unlikable, but the thing that bothers me the most is her wanting to be a hard-ass, take no-prisoners strategist who will do anything to win while wanting the other designers to like her. Like on the collection challange: she purposely attacks kevin's leadership because of her weak design: I quote from her website (wendypepper.com) "I tried to do the best I could under difficult circumstances, and had to resort to trashing Kevin instead of making it though on my own merits." Then, in her interview, she seems upset that the other designers don't back her up and seem to dislike her. duh!

Skylara

January 30, 2005 - 10:17 PM

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I really think Kara is the BEST designer. She has no drama, and her work is ALWAYS good. I love her designs and her personality.

I hope you win Kara~!!! Keep up your good work!

I definitely have to agree with you there. From the start she has been composed, and the not allowing herself to be caught up in the drama. It's really undeniable that this girl is talented. So, I would definitely love to see her emerge as the winner. I still think Austin, Jay and to a lesser extent, Robert are talented, but Kara has yet to disappoint me. Wendy on the other hand, should've gone right behind Starr....thats just how BAD her work is. I think she's been kept around because with all that whining she does,it creates DRAMA. I hope after these Postal Uniform designs, she's being put out of her misery and sent HOME!!!!!

Somuchforthat

January 30, 2005 - 10:19 PM

I will have to take your word for it (and I easily can) because there is not much on this earth that could make me click on that website, much less buy a Wendy Pepper design. At this point, she may not yet understand the impact of her utterly underhanded, obviously devious, pretty sociopathic, downright skanky actions. But she will. And we do.

katgirl

January 31, 2005 - 06:09 AM

i went to Kevin's website - somebody said it was emusestudio.com...hey his stuff is great, i loved his designs he's clean, classy but fun. i liked it - now i want to see if Kara Saun has her own website...and Jay too

NiceNJgal

January 31, 2005 - 08:04 AM

Just read this today in the NY Daily News:
Fashion designer and "PX This" author Abbe Diaz wasn't happy with the way designer Jay McConnell was treated on "Project Runway," Heidi Klum's Bravo reality show, so she's giving him a major break. Diaz is setting McConnell up with his own section at Bagutta Life, the SoHo fashionista magnet catering to the likes of Johnny Depp, Jada Pinkett Smith, Julianne Moore and Kim Porter. "I was impressed with his irreverence, and I'm making it my mission to help him." She can: Shop owner Marc Bagutta's her fiancé...

Guess this means Jay doesn't win !

fastfashion

January 31, 2005 - 09:09 AM

decloaking to moan about the NY DAILY NEWS spoiler about Jay. What a total waste of time that this show is if they give WENDY a spot in the final three...

NiceNJgal

January 31, 2005 - 09:28 AM

This sort of changes things up for me -- I was fully expecting a Kara - Austin - Jay finale. I guess it could still happen, but doesn't sound promising.

fastfashion

January 31, 2005 - 09:31 AM

I think they are going to have Wendy, Rob and Austin.
LAME LAME LAME... Kara and Jay are a thousand times more talented and creative than Frau Deathstar.

Valo

January 31, 2005 - 09:47 AM

i think kara is probably the "best" designer, but I'd love to see Jay win. I think he's fantastic

paillette

January 31, 2005 - 09:49 AM

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Wendy wants to be a hard-ass, take no-prisoners strategist who will do anything to win while wanting the other designers to like her. .. she seems upset that the other designers don't back her up and seem to dislike her. duh!

I have to agree that this IS one of Wendy's most annoying traits. If you're gonna play it that way, be prepared to take the consequences. I have the sinking feeling Jay is gonna get knocked out in her favor, which is almost too terrible to contemplate.
However I just have to comment to those who have been endlessly complaining that Wendy's bathing suit wasn't finished. How about Austin's much-loved BR dress? On the runway, he is asked if the ruffly under-skirt was part of his design or acquired somewhere else. He explains that he didn't have time to make a crinoline himself, and that he therefore used a pre-made one. Since the dress was mostly open in the back to show the crinoline, this was necessary to the design. Otherwise, we would have seen a deflated skirt with Melissa's butt sticking out the back. I can see no appreciable difference between this and Wendy's use of the model's own thong. Apparently, the judges are willing to make concessions on the issue of certain pre-made accessories, as well they should, given the time constraints.

Tejayes

January 31, 2005 - 10:14 AM

You all say that Kara and Jay are too talented to not make it to the finals. Don't be so sure. At the beginning, everyone thought Vanessa and Nora would kick butt all the way through. Then Vanessa flushes herself down the crapper and Nora breaks down in a bed of roses. If my "Banner Prediction" comes true, it means that Jay and Kara make some really nasty blunders in the next two weeks. I'm guessing that Jay may have the fabled "shorts from hell" this Wednesday, and as for Kara, whatever causes her to lose before Robert and Wendy has to be something unbelievably horrid.

fastfashion

January 31, 2005 - 10:35 AM

that "horrid" thing you mention is the producers manipulating the outcome. kinda sucks

angeedee

January 31, 2005 - 10:38 AM

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ok so i was thinking about a subject that was talked about before....someone mentioned something about austin be able to design like he does because hes "austin" and the judges expect the froo froo from him and so forth. I wonder if the designers were not told to stand with their models after the runway if the results would be different. I mean isnt this competition about talent?...who the best designer is? they why would their work ethic or some flaw in their personality determine their credibility as a designer?....my point being...would wendy already have been out?...would austin's wedding dress given him the boot?...i think the judges have been inconsistant with how they judge each design..one week its about conforming to a particlar line (BR challenge) the next its about stading to your own style and the next its both...so my point being...really, what are they actually judging?..the design or the designers..or maybe its who they just really dont like?...i have to say im dissappointed with the judges reasoning for giving the boot each week...
ALSO!.... the VR article i thought was great because she just gave it straight...whether or not you agree is something entirely different...she told it like she saw it and that makes me respect her that much more...
...and one more thought...the challenges are designed to do exactly that..challenge... but does the designers working with ralph lauren ever have to make a garment out of 4 yards of cotton, or do they have to go to the grocery store and come back with a wearable design?...i love the designers..but i guess im kinda hating on the show...i think the challenges should be more about actually designing...also...VR got the boot because she couldnt sew?...since when did designers sew?...thats what seamstresses are for, right?...imma little more that annoyed...but like i said..i love the designers for their creativity and ingenuity...but i actiually think the challenges are little bit more than annoying...just what i was thinking...

I wonder...
I think the challenges are about looking for skill and creativity. I mean, if you can't respond to these challenges, how are you going to respond to a client?
THere aren't that many designers who can design whatever they want and wait for the unwashed masses to follow. I mean, everybody's not calvin klein.....
I think the challenges, while on the surface they may seem silly, are aimed at exposing talent (or a lack thereof) by, literally, "challenging" each designer to step outside of his/her own box and create something that they haven't been carrying around in their head for 10 years.
So every week, people are eliminated because they fail to meet the challenge, not because they fail to make something that looks good. The judges talk over and over again (during deliberations) about whether each designer listened to the challenge.
I agree, they might seem silly at first, but i think there is a method to the madness.
After all, isn't the fashion industry all about adapting to change?

As far as Wendy goes, i don't believe she is there for anything other than drama. Her responses to the challenges have been unfinished, poorly executed, lacking in skill and style and just, in a word, lame.
I think Wendy's "making television" rather than competing as a designer............

angeedee

January 31, 2005 - 10:43 AM

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correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Kara Saun is in the Top 3 because she has a guaranteed IN for the next challenge and can't be eliminated. That leaves Jay, Austin, Robert, and Wendy remaining.

But there are four remaining other than kara. so, for instance if Wendy goes next week, when Kara has an "in," then the next week there will be four remaining all together. So she could still be eliminated.
I don't think they're gonig to give anyone immunity for the last four. that would be spoiling the whole show. they're not stupid.

jmfitz619

January 31, 2005 - 10:52 AM

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As far as Wendy goes, i don't believe she is there for anything other than drama. Her responses to the challenges have been unfinished, poorly executed, lacking in skill and style and just, in a word, lame.
I think Wendy's "making television" rather than competing as a designer............

Absolutely. I think that in all likelihood, she just may squeak to fourth place, just to wring out one last episode of her childish antics. I still say, like eighty percent of the posters here, that Austin, Jay, and Kara Saun will make the final three.

If, by some freak occurance in the universe, Wendy gets in the final three,(Which I just can't see happening), it would just magnify her incompetence as a designer compared to the others, which are all strong. How in the world could she get a whole collection together in time for a show when she can't even get one outfit completed an episode? She claims lack of time management as her downfall for these challanges. What about a full blown runway show? Does she really think that she'll pull it off? Even if she only wanted to make the final three, does she really think that the exposure would be to her benefit? Her designs on her personal site, from what I understand are not that great, and her clothes and behavior the past couple of months are now legendary. This "search", contrary to what she thinks, will do nothing for her, except torpedo any possible career expansion she will have hoped to achieve.

choptt

January 31, 2005 - 10:53 AM

Yes, I agree re crinoline, and there are other similar discrepancies in the view people take based on who they do or don't like (for example, Jay has a mini-meltdown virtually every show and frequently makes rather nasty comments about the other designers/models that aren't quite what he says to their faces but people don't hate him for it as they do Wendy --especially since the comments are so dead on).

I do think though that the judges frown heavily on the use of pre-made parts; it's really a bit of a cheat, if you think about it, especially where the part is integral to the outfit(as with both the suit and the crinoline). I don't really see those as "accessories" (what if Kara just made the cover up and had her model wear her own white panties and bra?). It's not quite fair to the other designers who have to finish a complete look -- time is part of the challenge; why did you conceive a design you couldn't finish?

Arguably this should be as strong a ground for elimination as referencing other designers' work a la Alexandra. I do think the judges take it seriously, Austin and Wendy skated I think just because there were others with more serious defects.

girlinagogo

January 31, 2005 - 10:55 AM

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but the New York Post reported yesterday that the runway shows for the final three will taped on Friday in NYC. I'm assuming under the tents in Bryant Park.

nycgal

January 31, 2005 - 11:02 AM

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decloaking to moan about the NY DAILY NEWS spoiler about Jay. What a total waste of time that this show is if they give WENDY a spot in the final three...

Is this true? Maybe the Daily News wants to get back at the New York Post for the swim wear attention?
Is this an intentional twist from the producers to spark or fissile the show? What a wrong move if so. I watch this show to see the designs and not who is being booted off. It would be a shame not to see a collection by Jay as one of the final three. What could be the reasons for him to be eliminated? I wonder if Jay became a pain to the producers. We do not hear the private conversations with the designers and producers. Lets face it, he is not afraid to speak his mind. Trying not to be paranoid although it sounds it, I hope this decision did not play into his Jesus humor. This show was taped in August during the heated crazy presidential election where strong views were expressed. I can't justify eliminating Jay if he can't pull off a postal uniform when he were made to design breath-taking designs that say WOW after the postal workers get off work.

P.S.[Jay should also start a hat line- Tres Chic quote]

paillette

January 31, 2005 - 11:10 AM

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Yes, I agree re crinoline, and there are other similar discrepancies in the view people take based on who they do or don't like... Arguably this should be as strong a ground for elimination as referencing other designers' work a la Alexandra. I do think the judges take it seriously, Austin and Wendy skated I think just because there were others with more serious defects.

Good points, Choptt. I agree that the issue may be other, more serious defects in both cases. And also that eliminating Alexandra for being inspired by another designer was a stupid reason, given how prevalent copying is in the fashion world. (I thought she should have been eliminated b/c her suit was about 2 sizes too small for the model and also lacked an "eveningwear" spin.)
My point was simply that all the hysteria over the un-made thong issue is indicative of a double standard based not on the construction itself, but on whether viewers like the individual contestant or not. Either it should have been grounds for elimination in BOTH Austin's AND Wendy's cases, or not in either case. I'm not crazy about Wendy, either, but even more than I dislike her, I value critical thinking and consistency.