choptt
January 31, 2005 - 11:12 AM
I'm not so sure it'll be Kara either simply because they're setting her up as an obvious favorite and these shows need surprise for ratings.
Still I hope she wins. Kara has great talent, levelheadedness and has shown more integrity across the board than anyone else. Remember she's the one who helped Wendy with her look before the BR win; she's the one who went with Robert to the hospital while the others went home and went to bed; even her meeting in Ep 7 was to help all the designers get their runway interview justifications together in advance. She has actually tried to help her competitors.
Alas, integrity... boring...not much for ratings.
Right now the show is fun bec its four eccentrics with den mother Kara. Did you see Austin in his postal uniform? Howl...
angeedee
January 31, 2005 - 11:40 AM
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Just read this today in the NY Daily News:
Fashion designer and "PX This" author Abbe Diaz wasn't happy with the way designer Jay McConnell was treated on "Project Runway," Heidi Klum's Bravo reality show, so she's giving him a major break. Diaz is setting McConnell up with his own section at Bagutta Life, the SoHo fashionista magnet catering to the likes of Johnny Depp, Jada Pinkett Smith, Julianne Moore and Kim Porter. "I was impressed with his irreverence, and I'm making it my mission to help him." She can: Shop owner Marc Bagutta's her fiancé...
Guess this means Jay doesn't win !
hey, i couldn't find this in the NYDN.
also, his name is mccarroll, not mcconnell.
do you have a link?
Istya
January 31, 2005 - 11:41 AM
Again, I'm not defending anyone, just trying to be thorough. From what I understood, Austin did make the crinoline. His "I didn't have time," remark was in response to Nina's question, "Is it attatched [to the dress, most likely meaning at the waistline]?" I agree that standards ought to remain standards, but (if I'm not mistaken), won't you agree that there is a difference between not attatching a certain element of a garment and simply not making one?
If I am mistaken, then you're right, Austin should have gotten more flak for it, and it's incredibly vexing how inconsistent the judges are (though the latter's true regardless). I agree that all the garments are going to suffer from time constraints, but it's about making the most important elements work. Blind Wendy bashing is stupid, but it doesn't speak well of her design skills when she has failed, not once but twice, to make a bottom portion of an outfit.
fastfashion
January 31, 2005 - 11:43 AM
jacedes
January 31, 2005 - 11:53 AM
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Just read this today in the NY Daily News:
Fashion designer and "PX This" author Abbe Diaz wasn't happy with the way designer Jay McConnell was treated on "Project Runway," Heidi Klum's Bravo reality show, so she's giving him a major break. Diaz is setting McConnell up with his own section at Bagutta Life, the SoHo fashionista magnet catering to the likes of Johnny Depp, Jada Pinkett Smith, Julianne Moore and Kim Porter. "I was impressed with his irreverence, and I'm making it my mission to help him." She can: Shop owner Marc Bagutta's her fiancé...
Guess this means Jay doesn't win !
I don't think that this means he doesn't make it to the final three, just that he doesn't *win*. If it *does* mean that he doesn't make it to the final three, then there is just no justice in the world. Who would make it instead? Wendy? Oh, please, no. Okay, I *hope* it doesn't mean that he's not in the final three.
Regardless, this is exactly the sort of attention the true designers (i.e. NOT Wendy or Starr) are hoping to get from this show. Anyone who knows what they're talking about--and hopefully people in the fashion industry who actually have some clout--will see this show and know who has the real talent, regardless of what ratings greed makes the producers do to the outcome of the show.
Go, Kara Saun and Jay!
paillette
January 31, 2005 - 11:58 AM
I had the clear impression that he didn't make the crinoline. I forget exactly what his words were, but I had the understanding that he had not actually constructed it himself. I could be wrong, though I must say that your interpretation (i.e., that it wasn't sewn into the dress) never occurred to me. If so, then yes, that's a different, and lower, category of "unfinished-ness." So we concur in either case.
Frankly, I wasn't bothered EITHER by the crinoline OR by the Wendy thong issue (indeed, one of the most ridiculous aspects of this show is the unrealistic time constraints the contestants must work under). But I do think that many viewers allow their personal preferences among the contestants to strongly color their views of the gaments and judging.
angeedee
January 31, 2005 - 12:07 PM
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January 31, 2005 - 12:10 PM
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at the bottom, under SIDE DISH
THank you!!
Oye vey. I hope she spells his name correctly when she gives him his "big break"!!!!
fastfashion
January 31, 2005 - 12:11 PM
no problemo :-)
trixie
January 31, 2005 - 12:36 PM
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Istya, this is exactly what I think happened too. I'm pretty certain Austin *did* make the entire dress.
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Istya
January 31, 2005 - 12:47 PM
Thanks for affirming that.
In retrospect, it was very foolish of him to say "I didn't have time." He shouldn't have let on that it wasn't his intention to leave the pieces separate. There's nothing wrong with a petticoat/overlay situation.
choptt
January 31, 2005 - 12:54 PM
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My point was simply that all the hysteria over the un-made thong issue is indicative of a double standard based...on whether viewers like the individual contestant or not...I value critical thinking and consistency.
I agree 100% and have commented on this in previous posts (Episode boards?). It is sometimes frustrating and even a little frightening to see 1) how little people are able to separate the merits of the design/ability to meet the project criteria from their personal response to the designer, pro or con ("I love Robert's designs, he's so sexy!", 2) how quickly and completely critical thinking flies out the window where there is a visceral emotional response ("I HATE Wendy!! And all her designs are HORRIBLE too!") and 3) how directly and EXACTLY our opinions track the marketing of the show put together before any of us ever saw it!
I mean, check out the banner ads over these boards. Wicked Witch Wendy, wildly exaggerated (green) make-up, hair deliberately frizzed up - for those who need a villain; Robert, dark, handsome, serious, beefcake for the young female viewer; Austin, fun, effervescent, perky, blonde, much prettier makeup and hair (Glenda the good witch?) for the gay male viewer (I am always amused when they show Austin in the chair with the models getting made up). If they thought straight men watched design shows on Bravo Alexandra would still be in. They decided what we should think in advance and sure enough we think it, kind of scary.
The Alexandra episode bugged me too (hated Kevin's waitress uniform and Robert's ill-fitting non-design more than I disliked Alexandra's boring suit and plagiarism). Jay had just said in the wedding dress challenge that he gave his model what she wanted, some Helmut Lang, some Calvin Klein, and they smiled and nodded. The judges called the suits "Chanel" and "Esther Williams". I just think Alexandra was too direct, literal, and specific in her attribution ("I wanted a Missoni look; something like last year's Kors suit"). She crossed the line into a near direct admission of copying, an industry taboo. They all know they plagiarize (inspiration) but they can't be openly admitting it (copy). The industry (and the designer) must maintain at least the appearance of originality to justify itself.
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January 31, 2005 - 12:58 PM
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...From what I understood, Austin did make the crinoline. His "I didn't have time," remark was in response to Nina's question, "Is it attatched [to the dress, most likely meaning at the waistline]?" ...
Istya, this is exactly what I think happened too. I'm pretty certain Austin *did* make the entire dress.
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Yes he did make that underskirt for his Banana Republic dress. He just told the judge he didn't have enough time to attach it to the dress.
janeorama
January 31, 2005 - 01:41 PM
The question during the BR project judging was whether or not the crinoline was >removable<, to which Austin replied that he didn't have time to make it so. Why that made the judges get their knickers in a twist is anyone's guess.
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January 31, 2005 - 01:54 PM
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i think wendy needs to seriously get slapped off the runway. i'd like to see austin do the slapping.
LOL!
I would pay money to see it. but i'd rather see jay do it.
i think he would be better at B***H slapping someone.......!!
what would *really* be funny would be if Kara finally got fed up and B***H slapped her!
jescci
January 31, 2005 - 02:23 PM
Austin does look ridiculous in the postal uniform (my,what long arms you have). This is further to his credit as a designer or at least a stylist - apparently he's got an odd body, but he always looks good when he dresses himself.
Re: Jay getting eliminated: Hope it doesn't happen, but don't forget there are two more challenges, two more chances for anyone to screw up royally. It could even happen to our beloved Wendy.
Re: Jay's nasty remarks: Somehow they don't seem so nasty coming from him. There's wit and attitude, certainly frustration, but I don't sense venom or hate.
DeViL44
January 31, 2005 - 04:20 PM
K, I just joined here and yes, im also obsessed with the Project Runway TV show on Bravo. It's really addictive, and has tought me some new things. Im really into the TV show because I want to be a fashion designer soon.
But, anyways...as for the designers.
The remaining designers are the ones I will discuss.
Austin to me has always seemed to have a very elegant, formal...and almost flamboyant style sense in his designs. From fluffy gowns, to silky dresses...he does do a lot of formal wear as well as different and unique wardrobes. I must say...I do enjoy always watching what design he will come up with next. He's very talented, and his bathing suit designer was just outstanding. It was my favorite and I was glad it won. As for his attitude...he's very caring for the ones he's fond of such as vanessa who got eliminated in the past episodes. He's very sensitive and a bit kocky about her own work...but I still think he has a decent attitude towards his own things and the people around him.
Jay is a very funny and flamboyant character like Richard Johnson from Elle Magazine had said. He's very very humerous, and tries his hardest to not get caught up in all the drama in this realty show. Instead, he goes steady with his own work...but he does need to imrpove a bit on his time and try to get things done sooner or else he'll get frustrated. Little flaws like this can lead to big problems, thats why im a bit concerned about Jay. I think he's an exotic designer and he designs a lot of accessories sewn on to apparel such as belts...and apparels with a lot of lengthy material. He works with a lot of dark colors, and it's always cool to see him on TV. He brings light in the group.
Kara is one of the top designers at the moment. She's won many challenges and seems to be steady with everything. She's a brilliant leader, a great talker communication wise, and shes very talented in terms of her designs. She designs a lot of colorful and fun wardrobes. It always fits the challenges. I loved her victorian inspired wardrobe in the future challenge. It really was a work of art. Her attitude is perfect. She's hardly ever been caught up in drama and she knows how to handle everything. I can totally see her winning this competition.
Robert...like Austin has said, he sorta DOES seem like the weak link at times and certain competitions. In my opinion, I think he should take some of these challenges a bit more seriousy and focus more on his designs. Don't get me wrong, I think he's also a talented designer and he has a very distinct imagination, but some of them ARE a bit weak looking, and he needs to execute some of his work better. Other than that, his attitude is top notch like Kara. Like Jay, he's humerous and he knows how to enlighten those ruthless judges. I really like that. He's easy going and never stressed. That's always a great sign. I hope he makes it to the final 3. He deserves it.
My dear Wendy...I love you. Although you guys may think im totally nuts here...Wendy's my favorite designer. Norah was my first favorite, but now that iv finally seen a bit more of Wendy, I like her a lot. Many people may think of her as back-stabbing, mean, un-kind, scammer, whiner, and horrible designer...but it's actually the opposite in my opinion. Of course many of you will disagree with me, but my opinion stays. I think she IS being filmed a bit horribly, and isn't filmed enough...only when she's having a hard time. The trashing og Kevin being a leader was PURE honesty. I could sense that she wanted to stay, but still...she expressed the truth about Kevin and the real facts while the others sorta spoke in a "I don't want to hurt kevin's feelings" kinda way. Wendy doesn't lie, she goes straight to the point and yes, Kevin should have made sure the outfits were made on time and he should have made sure the outfits all connected like a fashion show...he failed and he got what he deserved. I never liked Kevin anyways.
As for Wendy's designs, I think there creative. Not the best, but very creative and she knows what she's doing. Her first challenge was a bit tacky, but the second and third were right on. I loved both of the outfits. Her wedding dress was awesome, and the bathing suit was another weaker link...but that's ok, no ones perfect. I loved the color in the bathing suit, and thought it flowed perfectly. The almost chiffon material wrapped around the whole body from breast to hips was very nice. The only flaw was the bottom peice. And yes, I also thought her future outfit could have had a bit more work in it. It looked like it was made a bit cheap, but it wasn't horrible.
Kevin...I won't discuss cuz he's eliminated...but im just going to say I was never fond of him at all.
Right now...I just hope Wendy makes it to the final three.
angeedee
January 31, 2005 - 04:40 PM
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I had the clear impression that he didn't make the crinoline. I forget exactly what his words were, but I had the understanding that he had not actually constructed it himself. I could be wrong, though I must say that your interpretation (i.e., that it wasn't sewn into the dress) never occurred to me. If so, then yes, that's a different, and lower, category of "unfinished-ness." So we concur in either case.
Frankly, I wasn't bothered EITHER by the crinoline OR by the Wendy thong issue (indeed, one of the most ridiculous aspects of this show is the unrealistic time constraints the contestants must work under). But I do think that many viewers allow their personal preferences among the contestants to strongly color their views of the gaments and judging.
Maybe I can help?
I just saw this one yesterday. I would swear that the question was, "is that part of the dress? I mean, is it attached?" and austin said, "no, I....there wasn't time."
so i don't know that we can know from the exchange whether he made the crinoline or not.
i don't know where he would have got it, tho.
They are using accessories supplied to them.
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January 31, 2005 - 04:43 PM
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i think wendy needs to seriously get slapped off the runway. i'd like to see austin do the slapping.
LOL!
I would pay money to see it. but i'd rather see jay do it.
i think he would be better at B***H slapping someone.......!!
what would *really* be funny would be if Kara finally got fed up and B***H slapped her!
HA!! I'd pay real money to see that, too!
maybe that is what bravo is thinking when they keep her on there. they sure aren't keeping her there for outstanding skill or talent.....................!
JustTzujIt
January 31, 2005 - 04:48 PM
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However I just have to comment to those who have been endlessly complaining that Wendy's bathing suit wasn't finished. How about Austin's much-loved BR dress? On the runway, he is asked if the ruffly under-skirt was part of his design or acquired somewhere else. He explains that he didn't have time to make a crinoline himself, and that he therefore used a pre-made one. Since the dress was mostly open in the back to show the crinoline, this was necessary to the design. Otherwise, we would have seen a deflated skirt with Melissa's butt sticking out the back. I can see no appreciable difference between this and Wendy's use of the model's own thong. Apparently, the judges are willing to make concessions on the issue of certain pre-made accessories, as well they should, given the time constraints.
You're right. As you said, the time contraints would really make it difficult to sew EVERYTHING, and I bet there have been other people that use pre-made accessories that the judges didn't ask about. Real designers don't need to worry about thongs or underskirts; usually they get them from somewhere else. Why waste your time on a thong, anyway?
JustTzujIt
January 31, 2005 - 05:09 PM
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I mean, check out the banner ads over these boards. Wicked Witch Wendy, wildly exaggerated (green) make-up, hair deliberately frizzed up - for those who need a villain; Robert, dark, handsome, serious, beefcake for the young female viewer; Austin, fun, effervescent, perky, blonde, much prettier makeup and hair (Glenda the good witch?) for the gay male viewer (I am always amused when they show Austin in the chair with the models getting made up). If they thought straight men watched design shows on Bravo Alexandra would still be in. They decided what we should think in advance and sure enough we think it, kind of scary.
Don't forget the mad-scientist labcoat-esque... thing.
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The Alexandra episode bugged me too (hated Kevin's waitress uniform and Robert's ill-fitting non-design more than I disliked Alexandra's boring suit and plagiarism). Jay had just said in the wedding dress challenge that he gave his model what she wanted, some Helmut Lang, some Calvin Klein, and they smiled and nodded. The judges called the suits "Chanel" and "Esther Williams". I just think Alexandra was too direct, literal, and specific in her attribution ("I wanted a Missoni look; something like last year's Kors suit"). She crossed the line into a near direct admission of copying, an industry taboo. They all know they plagiarize (inspiration) but they can't be openly admitting it (copy). The industry (and the designer) must maintain at least the appearance of originality to justify itself.
I also think maybe she was trying to impress him, by expressing her adoration for his designs, though it was a wrong move and not very well thought-out. One of those things I believe she came up with right there on the spot, "Hey, it kinda looks like Kors' last year suit... maybe I'll cite him and get some brownie points!"
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January 31, 2005 - 05:13 PM
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Austin does look ridiculous in the postal uniform (my,what long arms you have). This is further to his credit as a designer or at least a stylist - apparently he's got an odd body, but he always looks good when he dresses himself.
I love that about a man!
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Re: Jay's nasty remarks: Somehow they don't seem so nasty coming from him. There's wit and attitude, certainly frustration, but I don't sense venom or hate.
It's more of an exaggerated, almost sarcastic feel to his remarks. Not a deep-seated hatred, but almost as if he's making fun out of hate.
Did that make any sense at all? Lol.
JustTzujIt
January 31, 2005 - 05:24 PM
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As for Wendy's designs, I think there creative. Not the best, but very creative and she knows what she's doing. Her first challenge was a bit tacky, but the second and third were right on. I loved both of the outfits. Her wedding dress was awesome, and the bathing suit was another weaker link...but that's ok, no ones perfect. I loved the color in the bathing suit, and thought it flowed perfectly. The almost chiffon material wrapped around the whole body from breast to hips was very nice. The only flaw was the bottom peice. And yes, I also thought her future outfit could have had a bit more work in it. It looked like it was made a bit cheap, but it wasn't horrible.
I forgot to say this, so I'll add it here: I'm not huge fan of Wendy, I think Robert should be the next to go and then her, but I was so proud of her when she "took one for the team" and dismissed Morgan. Morgan was terribly screwing things up for all the designers and I'm glad Wendy finally stepped up to the plate and got rid of that menace.
Thanks, Wendy!
paillette
January 31, 2005 - 05:32 PM
Returning to the crinoline: It is hard to know whether Austin's words, as reported by Angeedee, refer to the fact that he actually did not make it, or simply did not sew it into the dress. But we DO know he made reference to not having enough time. I still think it makes the most sense to assume that that means not enough time to actually sew this multilayered garment. If the issue was just sewing it into the dress, well, wouldn't it take about an equal amount of time to sew in an elastic at the waistband, or create a drawstring? It must have been held up some way. It strikes me that finishing the top of an independent crinoline piece is hardly a significant timesaver over simply sewing it into the dress.
BUT if the issue is creating a whole crinoline from scratch: that certainly WOULD take some time. We know there are accessories available, so why not a crinoline?
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January 31, 2005 - 06:01 PM
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The only thing that saved Robert was that he impressed the Page 6 guy. I didnt like his suit at all and I love Robert!
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January 31, 2005 - 07:17 PM
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This is my first post, am I`m going to have to disagree with a lot of you all.
My favorite designer has been Wendy since the begining. I think that even though she started off weak, her designs and her ideas about the game grew stronger.
Yes, she can get emotional at times, but who hasn`t on the show? As for the "Futuristic" episode, I think she did the right thing. She didn`t think Kevin was a strong enough leader and she told the judges, while the others simply lied in order to make them seem like a great team.
I know she won`t win but I hope she at least beats out Rob, because I know she`s better them him.
Wendy, what are you doing making comments on this board? Don't you have an appointment in the Loreal Makeup Room?
Gherk
January 31, 2005 - 07:39 PM
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Just read this today in the NY Daily News:
Fashion designer and "PX This" author Abbe Diaz wasn't happy with the way designer Jay McConnell was treated on "Project Runway," Heidi Klum's Bravo reality show, so she's giving him a major break. Diaz is setting McConnell up with his own section at Bagutta Life, the SoHo fashionista magnet catering to the likes of Johnny Depp, Jada Pinkett Smith, Julianne Moore and Kim Porter. "I was impressed with his irreverence, and I'm making it my mission to help him." She can: Shop owner Marc Bagutta's her fiancé...
Guess this means Jay doesn't win !
Just because someone loved Jay and wants to help him doesn't mean he didn't win; probably what the person is referring to is the fact that he's consistently been second, when he deserved to win at least one challenge by now. The Daily News along with the rest of us have no idea who wins, because they haven't seen the final episodes, and the true winner hasn't even competed in the final competition yet!!! So shut up!! Jay rocks!!!
JustTzujIt
January 31, 2005 - 08:28 PM
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Just because someone loved Jay and wants to help him doesn't mean he didn't win; probably what the person is referring to is the fact that he's consistently been second, when he deserved to win at least one challenge by now. The Daily News along with the rest of us have no idea who wins, because they haven't seen the final episodes, and the true winner hasn't even competed in the final competition yet!!! So shut up!! Jay rocks!!!
I agree. I'll try not to put it so bluntly but if you read a spoiler or anything that you THINK is one, please keep it to yourself. That goes for everyone, please. I know there are some other people on this board besides me that want to be surprised (well hopefully not TOO surprised) when we find out who won. Or if you must share it, please give us plenty of warning, like typing, "SPOILER!!!" and then a few spaces down so we can skip it if we want. You're not the first one to, but hopefully the last. Thanks!
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January 31, 2005 - 09:14 PM
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Oye vey. I hope she spells his name correctly when she gives him his "big break"!!!!
According to this report at http://pxthis.com
(scroll down to bottom of 1-28 entry) she did spell his name correctly. Maybe somebody at the Daily News got it wrong?
dumb
January 31, 2005 - 09:39 PM
Okay, not that I like Wendy- I don’t, but everyone on here keeps referring to her unfinished swim suit…Watch the episode again- she did make a thong, the model did not want to wear it though, she wanted more coverage…so the garment WAS COMPLETE!
Her envy dressed “looked” unfinished (even though it was) and her first garment had the issues of too little clothing/not enough coverage.
Austin BR dress was complete he just didn’t attach the underskirt and the judges had concerns who would want to go through all the effort of putting all that on…more an issue of missing the ready-to-wear market of BR
Also, don’t forget that Kara in the first challenge had no top to her garment…go back and look at the image/ watch the episode…she painted Morgan breasts and nipples…
snoops
January 31, 2005 - 10:06 PM
So, you like Wendy for her backstabbing pluckiness, her artless scheming, and her searing honesty? I've said this before in a previous posting - Why is backstabbing someone seen as honesty? Like the Elle judge said, Wendy did seem very quick to cut Kevin, and this is by Wendy's own admission, from her site.
You are very much entitled to your opinion, but I'm not sure what is so lovable about a woman who calls her fellow designers "yahoos", alienates them, and openingly admits that she uses tactics to stay in a design competition.
Others have posted that the viewers' personal preferences for a designer have colored our judgment, but Wendy speaks for herself - as viewers, we're not coming up with this shizzit. Also, please, please, please visit wendypepper.com. And, like I said in a previous post, if you really, really, honestly think the women in her gowns look great, then, I don't just know what to say. You're just joking with us, right?
Lastly, if we are allowing our preferences to color judgment, a lot of people seem to harsh on Kevin because he wasn't a "natural born leader." it's a tough situation, and he's not a selfish person, so it's like damned if he did, damnd if he didn't. I seriously doubt that Wendy would have been a better leader. All this Wendy-love truly baffles me.
I ask again, why do people actually like Wendy?
lisakaz
January 31, 2005 - 11:23 PM
You gotta be kidding. That was a self-serving comment. You really think she was keen on "drama" coming from Morgan considering what Kevin had experienced? That was such a self-serving comment. She "took one for the team"? In what way? No one else had to work with Morgan that week and none of the other designers would be forced to pick her in the future.
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lisakaz
January 31, 2005 - 11:27 PM
Did you see that "thong"? It was a disaster. It looked like a triangle and some elastic band. Some strippers wear more. It didn't even look like it would work without sewing it while the model tried to "wear it". Of course, Martinique's butt woulda looked like a pin cushion and Wendy woulda been "fixing" it while everyone else was at the party.
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jescci
February 1, 2005 - 04:00 AM
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Thought that was intentional. Thought she bought the paint for that purpose so I didn't hold it against her. Thought it was wonderfully creative and looked great on Morgan. Don't think every model in the comp would have worn such a risquee design. Another thing I liked about Morgan. She was nuts, but she was delicious.
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February 1, 2005 - 04:59 AM
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I had the clear impression that he didn't make the crinoline. I forget exactly what his words were, but I had the understanding that he had not actually constructed it himself. I could be wrong, though I must say that your interpretation (i.e., that it wasn't sewn into the dress) never occurred to me. If so, then yes, that's a different, and lower, category of "unfinished-ness." So we concur in either case.
Frankly, I wasn't bothered EITHER by the crinoline OR by the Wendy thong issue (indeed, one of the most ridiculous aspects of this show is the unrealistic time constraints the contestants must work under). But I do think that many viewers allow their personal preferences among the contestants to strongly color their views of the gaments and judging.
Maybe I can help?
I just saw this one yesterday. I would swear that the question was, "is that part of the dress? I mean, is it attached?" and austin said, "no, I....there wasn't time."
so i don't know that we can know from the exchange whether he made the crinoline or not.
i don't know where he would have got it, tho.
They are using accessories supplied to them.
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He made the crinoline but it wasn't attached...still a BRILLIANT dress though!
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February 1, 2005 - 05:08 AM
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However I just have to comment to those who have been endlessly complaining that Wendy's bathing suit wasn't finished. How about Austin's much-loved BR dress? On the runway, he is asked if the ruffly under-skirt was part of his design or acquired somewhere else. He explains that he didn't have time to make a crinoline himself, and that he therefore used a pre-made one. Since the dress was mostly open in the back to show the crinoline, this was necessary to the design. Otherwise, we would have seen a deflated skirt with Melissa's butt sticking out the back. I can see no appreciable difference between this and Wendy's use of the model's own thong. Apparently, the judges are willing to make concessions on the issue of certain pre-made accessories, as well they should, given the time constraints.
Wow, you got this completely wrong! It was so unbelieveable that I had to trace it back through another post just to make sure I was reading it right. The other poster posted the correct version though, thank God, so I don't have to go back through video tapes to find it. Austin's was finished, Wendy's wasn't - and rarely is.
You really should video tape the shows. There's a marathon on the 13th - that should catch everyone up.
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February 1, 2005 - 05:18 AM
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I ask again, why do people actually like Wendy?
It's a reflection of the world today - sad.
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February 1, 2005 - 06:21 AM
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I ask again, why do people actually like Wendy?
Because she's one sexy bish! Grrr, baby!
katgirl
February 1, 2005 - 07:44 AM
dumb...what do you have to say about the piece that fell off of Wendy's deconstruction outfit? what should that tell you? any pieces fall off of anybody else's clothes on the runway?
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February 1, 2005 - 08:32 AM
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I ask again, why do people actually like Wendy?
Because she's one sexy bish! Grrr, baby!
Okay, this is going to give me a couple of sleepless nights. LOL
dumb
February 1, 2005 - 09:33 AM
Okay, again I’M NOT DEFENDING WENDY(B/C I REALLY DON”T LIKE HER DESIGNS)..but…As far as the piece that fell off, honestly I didn’t think that much about it ..(and I may be wrong but think it was something used to stuff the back pockets that fell).I know I’ve see shows by major designers and even in the rare case something falls apart, or goes wrong with the garment…One of the most stand-out mishaps is when Naomi fell on the runway at the jpg show…
Besides, in the last challenge-it’s sad but true her garment did fit in better with the collection than Austin’s or Kevin’s….
NeuYorke
February 1, 2005 - 09:56 AM
I've missed a couple of shows -- who is left standing?
paillette
February 1, 2005 - 10:13 AM
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Wow, you got this completely wrong!
Actually, I'm pretty sure you're wrong, but c'est la vie, eh?
fastfashion
February 1, 2005 - 10:41 AM
The comment that people thought might be spoiler-y about JAY from Abbe was actually mis-quoted. VISIT here
http://pxthis.com/ to see what she really meant. I guess the gossip columnists lie all the time! Who'da thunkit?
sparklemonster
February 1, 2005 - 11:44 AM
i'm a heterosexual girl, so this is probably weird, but i think jay is sexy. i think he's especially hot when he has his hair down and does his whole "jesus" look. do you guys think it's strange that i consider him attractive? (my friends do!)
Tejayes
February 1, 2005 - 11:57 AM
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Okay, again I’M NOT DEFENDING WENDY(B/C I REALLY DON”T LIKE HER DESIGNS)..but…As far as the piece that fell off, honestly I didn’t think that much about it ..(and I may be wrong but think it was something used to stuff the back pockets that fell).I know I’ve see shows by major designers and even in the rare case something falls apart, or goes wrong with the garment…One of the most stand-out mishaps is when Naomi fell on the runway at the jpg show…
Besides, in the last challenge-it’s sad but true her garment did fit in better with the collection than Austin’s or Kevin’s….
Exactly. Kevin broke the "Design a Collection" theme and lost. Check out my post on why everyone won or lost. It should be at the top of one of the pages, unless you don't have a 10-per-page property. Or, if you want the quick deal...
"INNOVATION" --Daniel's garbage bag dress not innovative, so Daniel is checked out.
"(SELL YOUR) VISION" --Mario had the lowest bid and is sold out.
"COMMERCIAL APPEAL" --Ugly, unappealing dress(es) by Starr equals bye-bye.
"COLLABORATION" --Vanessa admits she is the weakest of the group, flushes herself down the pipe.
"WORKING WITH A CLIENT" --Nora lets client walk all over her, gets left at the altar.
"MAKING A SPLASH" --Alexandra doesn't impress in any way, bellyflops.
"DESIGN A COLLECTION" --Leader Kevin's dress doesn't fit the collection, he is removed.
PaleFire76
February 1, 2005 - 11:59 AM
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i'm a heterosexual girl, so this is probably weird, but i think jay is sexy. i think he's especially hot when he has his hair down and does his whole "jesus" look. do you guys think it's strange that i consider him attractive? (my friends do!)
I don't find Jay conventionally attractive, but I have to say he has become *much* better-looking since episode 2, when Mario's departure prompted him to make a conscious decision to tone down his abrasiveness.
DeViL44
February 1, 2005 - 12:02 PM
Ok...um, I don't know. I don't like him at all, lol...but I don't think he's ugly, however, I think he looks a lot more mature for a guy his age and a bit older as well. I don't think it's strange for you to like him cuz number 1...everyone has there own tastes, and number 2...he has handsome features, but I still don't find him attractive to me. Robert is pretty up there though, lol...
Ok, so back on the designers. For the designs on the last episode...the future one, I think I would have to agree that Kara's was the best design. It featured the main textile/pallete color, as well as her own personal style in it...the whole victorian concept, I adored it. I design a LOOT of Victorian inlfuenced designs out of fur.
Anyways, I loved the corset-type peice in the middle and how Kara made the throat and mouth peice cover to protect from the elements.
Jay's was OK. I didin't find it such a big deal like the judges thought, and I thought it looked just a bit out of proportion, but it wasn't horrible. I didn't like the socks, I agree he should have made those socks, but could have executed them better than they looked. The whole top peice was great...except the arm coverings. I thought they could have also been executed more greatly. It wasn't as horrible as he thought it was, but still fit in with the collection better than Austin's.
Wendy's wasn't so great. It fit in more than Kevin's and Austin's because of the pallete color and the basic style of it, but it was poorly constructed and executed like the judges said. She could have done a lot better and made the skirt out of mabye...brown suede or brown leather with fur trimmings at the bottom, or any other exotic accessory. That's how I would have done it.
Austin's was too wearable...I agree. He used wearable fabrics, and the dress looked way too formal. It actually looked like a dress that would fit in with the past years instead of the future. The only thing futuristic about his was the peice covering the throat area...but lots of dresses cover the throat area.
And Robert's was decent. I liked it, and the whole trendy poncho/hat look w/ the pants. The poncho was exactly the right materials as well as the textile colors. It wasn't the best though.
angeedee
February 1, 2005 - 01:13 PM
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The comment that people thought might be spoiler-y about JAY from Abbe was actually mis-quoted. VISIT here http://pxthis.com/ to see what she really meant. I guess the gossip columnists lie all the time! Who'da thunkit?
Thank you so much for posting this!
Makes a lot more sense now..................
angeedee
February 1, 2005 - 01:19 PM
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Ok...um, I don't know. I don't like him at all, lol...but I don't think he's ugly, however, I think he looks a lot more mature for a guy his age and a bit older as well. I don't think it's strange for you to like him cuz number 1...everyone has there own tastes, and number 2...he has handsome features, but I still don't find him attractive to me. Robert is pretty up there though, lol...
Ok, so back on the designers. For the designs on the last episode...the future one, I think I would have to agree that Kara's was the best design. It featured the main textile/pallete color, as well as her own personal style in it...the whole victorian concept, I adored it. I design a LOOT of Victorian inlfuenced designs out of fur.
Anyways, I loved the corset-type peice in the middle and how Kara made the throat and mouth peice cover to protect from the elements.
Jay's was OK. I didin't find it such a big deal like the judges thought, and I thought it looked just a bit out of proportion, but it wasn't horrible. I didn't like the socks, I agree he should have made those socks, but could have executed them better than they looked. The whole top peice was great...except the arm coverings. I thought they could have also been executed more greatly. It wasn't as horrible as he thought it was, but still fit in with the collection better than Austin's.
Wendy's wasn't so great. It fit in more than Kevin's and Austin's because of the pallete color and the basic style of it, but it was poorly constructed and executed like the judges said. She could have done a lot better and made the skirt out of mabye...brown suede or brown leather with fur trimmings at the bottom, or any other exotic accessory. That's how I would have done it.
Austin's was too wearable...I agree. He used wearable fabrics, and the dress looked way too formal. It actually looked like a dress that would fit in with the past years instead of the future. The only thing futuristic about his was the peice covering the throat area...but lots of dresses cover the throat area.
And Robert's was decent. I liked it, and the whole trendy poncho/hat look w/ the pants. The poncho was exactly the right materials as well as the textile colors. It wasn't the best though.
I loved kara's design too. It actually looked like something you would see in 50 years.
I thought austin's was pretty, but let's face it. If the design approach is deconstructed, he didn't follow it. It wasn't deconstructed, not even close.
Honestly, I don't know if Austin's calling is truly as a fashion designer.
I think Austin was born to be a costume designer. Can you imagine Austin working on a film set in the 40s or maybe the 18th or 17th century?
He would be a genius at that............
I think he will win oscars doing that some day.
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