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VIRGINIAN

February 2, 2005 - 10:45 AM

This is a competition...I think you are being narrow minded by what the editors choose you to see...as in Survivor. The real world is that they want someone who can sell clothes---not who can design the most extravagant/flamboyant clothes. The (I hate to use the phrase) "Banana Republic" type who has repetitive buyers....not a once in a lifetime outfit. It's all in the money and that is what this show is about too. Open you eyes. If Wendy is mean/aggressive to you because she tells the truth and doesn't skirt issues like most of the other contestants...I believe that she finishes well because she earns the respect from the judges on this...its the real world not the fantasy.

VIRGINIAN

February 2, 2005 - 10:53 AM

Hi Angeedee. The hair is the way she wears it here...the makeup...not. That must be the show. We live in the horse country of Virginia...not too many people focus on makeup. In fact, we are either in horse/farm clothing or black tie attire for our Charity Balls in DC. From one extreme to the other. Maybe thats why I understand her problem with thongs.....I gotta go to the gym now so I can get back in my thong!!!

angeedee

February 2, 2005 - 11:04 AM

i say again: yawn.
I understand what you are saying.
But when someone posts something on this board that they intend to be funny, i think it takes someone incredibly emotionally immature, petulant and controlling to attack them for it.
I mean, no one could really believe the previous poster REALLY wants wendy to get hit by a loreal truck.
it's called a "joke."
if it is not your kind of joke, fine. whatever.
but don't pretend you don't understand it is a joke in order to attempt to enforce your own idea of political correctness.
the disdainful, self-righteous BS is what makes me yawn.
if you don't like it, don't read it.
when i read the post about the loreal truck, i laughed my a** off.
and you know what? if Wendy read it, I'd bet she'd laugh too. she seems mature enough to get a joke.

musclemonkey

February 2, 2005 - 11:07 AM

This show is about being able to use your imagination from the info that you are given. Austin for example, when he designed the corn husks dress....he showed true innovation. His focus is narrow, and he is NOT versatile but he isn't going through PLAYING everyone else so that it will somehow advance him further. Basically he's sucked but he is still in there. And Wendy sucks too but hopefully tonight will be her last night.

VIRGINIAN

February 2, 2005 - 11:17 AM

Dream on if you think this show is about imagination...there are going to be a lot of heart broken designer want-a-bes out there thinking the same as you. Wendy lives on to the final three...I'm sorry to break the news to you:( I know alot must happen to change things because the film editors really try to do a number on her....maybe thats done on purpose...you think...conspiracy theory.....

musclemonkey

February 2, 2005 - 11:21 AM

She won't be in the final 3. Wishful thinking though. I don't care if Bravo camped out in front of her house all night, no one knows what they were there for. And imagination runs they show. Sure, it's only TV but come on. If it isn' about imagination, how in the heck in Austin still on there after that wedding dress?

VIRGINIAN

February 2, 2005 - 11:27 AM

Dude or Dudette---I KNOW shes in the final 3...so your theory doesn't work. Sorry. Bravo filmers let the cat out of the bag in our tiny town. I bet you think they were here to do a documentary on Middleburg....highly unlikely unless they were here to film Robert Duvall.

kitkit

February 2, 2005 - 11:30 AM

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i say again: yawn.
I understand what you are saying.
But when someone posts something on this board that they intend to be funny, i think it takes someone incredibly emotionally immature, petulant and controlling to attack them for it.

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If you keep yawning like that, you're going to hyperventilate.

I don't think I attacked anyone myself actually (we'll save words like "attack" for people who actually want to physically harm others), but rather expressed mild annoyance at the slams that were made against another poster who railed against the nastiness that flared up.

We could perpetuate an argument about how I'm allowed to express the opinion that your opinion is stupid and you're allowed to express the opinion that my opinion is stupid and that I'm allowed to express that your opinion about my opinion is stupid, and so on and so forth, but here is one thing I will point out: I wouldn't resort to calling someone I haven't met a name or assigning personality traits to that person (e.g. "emotionally immature, petulant, and controlling").

As for taking things too seriously, perhaps I am at a point in my life where I don't find violence of any kind to be funny. Maybe that does make me emotionally immature. But I seem to recall laughing more at things like people falling down stairs and being kicked in the groin when I was younger.

At any rate, I can't really imagine that Wendy would think it was hilarious if a bunch of people came up to her and said they'd like to see her get hit by a truck and then started laughing in her face. Come to think of it, I don't think anyone would personally find this as amusing as the hecklers themselves.

musclemonkey

February 2, 2005 - 11:34 AM

So what you just said was that the Bravo producers took you to the side, personally, and said, "Wendy is in the final 3." Did I get that right?

kitkit

February 2, 2005 - 11:36 AM

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So what you just said was that the Bravo producers took you to the side, personally, and said, "Wendy is in the final 3." Did I get that right?

Or, in the least, that Wendy didn't keep quiet about her status and is now in breach of contract with the show's producers.

choptt

February 2, 2005 - 11:39 AM

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I'm new here. Amazed by all the hatred.

My sentiments exactly. Thanks for the hometown perspective but...

NO SPOILERS please everybody! I don't want to know!

NiceNJgal

February 2, 2005 - 11:40 AM

****POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERT****
I read another possible spoiler... asking the boards if I should spill.... don't want to upset anyone... Should I?

ThomsTeddyBear

February 2, 2005 - 11:42 AM

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I'm new here. Amazed by all the hatred. Wendy is a fine person. We all love her in this town where she lives. There is no Virginia accent from her because there is no stereotype accent in Virginia---we vary tremendously from north to south. Middleburg is in the north---1 hour from DC--the most international area in the USA. There is no true accent here.
Bravo was in our town approx one month ago filming Wendy so all you Wendy haters might be in for a big disappointment...the rumor is she is in the final three!!! She is also hosting a party at the community center next Wednesday 2/9 to make money for the Tsunamai victims...she's really nice.
So please...a little less drama and hostility. You are really showing the stereotype of the "artsy" crowd.

Despite what she may be doing now, Wendy showed who she is when she opened her mouth - no editing made those words come out. Anyone who wants to be around a person like that, all I can do is say a prayer for you and be glad it's not me.

If she makes it to the top 3, then the show has been nothing but fake and will lose alot of viewers permanently.

PaleFire76

February 2, 2005 - 11:45 AM

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Dude or Dudette---I KNOW shes in the final 3...so your theory doesn't work. Sorry. Bravo filmers let the cat out of the bag in our tiny town. I bet you think they were here to do a documentary on Middleburg....highly unlikely unless they were here to film Robert Duvall.

Considering all that is at stake (i.e., building suspense to increase ratings), I find it hard to believe Bravo "let the cat of the bag." However, if what you say is true, then that was pretty, sloppy work by Bravo.

erin2

February 2, 2005 - 11:46 AM

I LUV this show........ I never miss an episode. Jay, Autin, Kara are my favorites. I agree with all the judges decisions about who should stay and who should go but WHY is Wendy still there? Anyway I know that in the end the last 3 standing are gonna be Jay, Austin, and Kara (u guys keep it up b.c. you are the BEST.

VIRGINIAN

February 2, 2005 - 11:47 AM

Sorry to spoil your fun Kitkat....she doesn't say anything....just smiles...she is a smart business lady and knows her contract well.

ThomsTeddyBear

February 2, 2005 - 11:48 AM

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Little as I like Wendy, I'd rather hang out with her than with some of you.

funny how judgemental you are of what others have to say

I don't think that it's out of line to say that you don't want to hang out with people who advocate killing (or otherwise performing acts of violence against) a person they don't like on a TV show. But I guess I'm being judgmental too.

No, you're being literal. If you think anyone wishes any REAL harm on Wendy then you're as stiff as some others on this board.

VIRGINIAN

February 2, 2005 - 11:49 AM

Ashamed to say...eavesdropping...I guess I could have heard wrong but I don't think so.

ThomsTeddyBear

February 2, 2005 - 11:54 AM

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funny how judgemental you are...

You know what? I don't mind being judgemental of hatred and violent fantasies. It is my judgement that hatred and violence are bad, and I'm sad that so much of it is in evidence here. Obviously, I'm in a minority in that regard, since most of you seem to enjoy upping the ante for each other, to see who can come up with the best insult or most extreme comment about Wendy. There's a group of you here that practically forms an online lynch mob. In fact, a mob mentality is very strongly in evidence: one person shouts an insult, others pick up the call, and pretty soon everyone has lost critical judgement and is trying to out-do the others in hatred. Go ahead: flame me too. I know you want to.
One last comment, while I'm laying it all out. I was particularly saddened by the Wendy-hit-by-a-truck post. My impression was that this was a gentle person, even though I disagreed with her often in matters of taste. Apparently, I was wrong, as that was not a gentle comment.

I'm gentle to a point - Wendy brings out no gentility in me.

Likewise, I can say I was disappointed by your artificially, man-made campaign against Austin because you deemed the boards too one-sided. Yes you may have approached it in a more "gentle" manner but it brought in crude remarks by some (now deleted) members that were not much better than the Wendy remarks. You even "lol"ed and welcomed some of them.

The reflection may be blurry, but it's still a mirror.

musclemonkey

February 2, 2005 - 11:56 AM

You dirty little bird. Okay, if you heard it, I'll go with it but not happily. Thanks for the info, and don't take anything I said personally. Just like I said, I live in VA too and she has disappointed me.

ThomsTeddyBear

February 2, 2005 - 12:00 PM

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.....I gotta go to the gym now so I can get back in my thong!!!

Lord help you if Wendy made it.

VIRGINIAN

February 2, 2005 - 12:01 PM

Don't lose the faith...maybe they'll turn things around for you in the next episodes...or not. Media/film/TV has a way to embelish the truth...I don't think we are seeing the true people...trust me on this one.

ThomsTeddyBear

February 2, 2005 - 12:03 PM

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i say again: yawn.
I understand what you are saying.
But when someone posts something on this board that they intend to be funny, i think it takes someone incredibly emotionally immature, petulant and controlling to attack them for it.
I mean, no one could really believe the previous poster REALLY wants wendy to get hit by a loreal truck.
it's called a "joke."
if it is not your kind of joke, fine. whatever.
but don't pretend you don't understand it is a joke in order to attempt to enforce your own idea of political correctness.
the disdainful, self-righteous BS is what makes me yawn.
if you don't like it, don't read it.
when i read the post about the loreal truck, i laughed my a** off.
and you know what? if Wendy read it, I'd bet she'd laugh too. she seems mature enough to get a joke.

Aww come on, you're letting the secret out! You'd think the word "Loreal" would have been the obvious clue.

VIRGINIAN

February 2, 2005 - 12:04 PM

hee hee....I don't want to use LOL because I'm not a computer geek either...its icy outside and I'm trying to get the strength (really) to go to the gym....help me someone.....

kitkit

February 2, 2005 - 12:07 PM

No, you're being literal. If you think anyone wishes any REAL harm on Wendy then you're as stiff as some others on this board.

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Sorry I'm on my lunch break and can't stop checking this board...

I'll subscribe to a little stiffness. While I certainly don't believe that anyone actually wants to see harm come to Wendy, I think that expressing the desire in jest is harmful in its own way for the speaker and can manifest itself in other not-so-wonderful ways. That is, I can't imagine that a person who gets all worked about non-reality doesn't exude a certain unpleasantness that another person in his/her life will have to deal with in some way.

That being said, I am of the opinion that Wendy doesn't deserve to be in the final three. I think the swimsuit episode would have been the right time for her to go, but I don't necessarily disagree with the judges' decision to boot Alexandra either. Maybe they should've weighed overall performance throughout the competition in this situation where both made a poor showing.

PaleFire76

February 2, 2005 - 12:12 PM

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If Wendy is mean/aggressive to you because she tells the truth and doesn't skirt issues like most of the other contestants.

I beg to differ about Wendy telling the truth and being honest. From day one, Wendy herself has said she would employ the duplicitous strategy of making herself out to be a fabulous mother hen to better exploit others in their more vulnerable moments.

Had Wendy been as honest as her sympathizers try to make her out to be, she would have voiced her criticisms about Kevin's leadership to his face. Instead, she lulled him into thinking she had no objections (e.g., she told him in episode 7, "don't you know, I'm cool") only to attack him in front of the judges. Btw, I don't believe she attacked Kevin only out of knee-jerk self-defense after being chewed out by the judges. I think Wendy would have worked in harsh criticisms about Kevin whether the judges asked her directly or not. The fact that she told Tim about how she wanted to be around and continually opined to the camera about how "others are weaker" (hint, hint) certainly support the theory her attack on Kevin was more premeditated than spontaneous.

Although the other PR designers also secretly critized Kevin's leadership abilities, *none* of them used their criticisms as a strategy to off Kevin.

Contrast how Wendy behaved to Kevin with how Nora behaved to him when he was leader before. Nora openly criticized Kevin to *his face* (albeit in a high strung manner) in the rock-and-roll challenge. When she critized Kevin in front of the judges, he already knew how Nora honestly felt. Wendy, on the her hand, hid what she truly felt and then decided to be "honest" in front of the judges.

Nora - honest to Kevin before the judging and during.
Wendy - lied to Kevin about "being cool" before the judging but "honest" during.

That, to me, is an enormous distinction. The element of deceit in Wendy's situation is what has made her so many enemies amongst her fellow PR designers and on this message board.

I re-watched my tape of episode 7 and noticed Kevin was trying to hold back tears when Heidi announced he was out. What Wendy did to him was incredibly hurtful and I find it annoying she had the gall to go on camera afterwards and sob about how everyone looked like they were one happy, cohesive group while she was somewhere in outer space. She accomplished her objective of getting Kevin kicked off, so what was there to weep about?

ThomsTeddyBear

February 2, 2005 - 12:22 PM

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No, you're being literal. If you think anyone wishes any REAL harm on Wendy then you're as stiff as some others on this board.

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Sorry I'm on my lunch break and can't stop checking this board...

I'll subscribe to a little stiffness. While I certainly don't believe that anyone actually wants to see harm come to Wendy, I think that expressing the desire in jest is harmful in its own way for the speaker and can manifest itself in other not-so-wonderful ways. That is, I can't imagine that a person who gets all worked about non-reality doesn't exude a certain unpleasantness that another person in his/her life will have to deal with in some way.

FEAR NOT!
*places fist boldly on chest and strikes a powerful pose*

ooo, wait...

>ACK COUGH COUGH ACK ACK!!<

*pounds on chest*

Dogdanged cold ruined my pose!

Let me clear things up for you. I release on the boards, even then, it takes something strong to trigger that release. I DON'T release in offline-life, you could hurt somebody that way! I like the moon, the stars, I write mushy poems, and my current activity these days is trying to catch the siamese kitten that is hanging around the neighborhood because I'm afraid it'll freeze in the cold. I've been trying since last November!

Feel better now?

Checking the boards at lunch break - that's how it starts you know! Next thing you know you'll make friends on here and get to know people - lordy it'll be chaos!

TTB

Gherk

February 2, 2005 - 12:30 PM

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Dream on if you think this show is about imagination...there are going to be a lot of heart broken designer want-a-bes out there thinking the same as you. Wendy lives on to the final three...I'm sorry to break the news to you:( I know alot must happen to change things because the film editors really try to do a number on her....maybe thats done on purpose...you think...conspiracy theory.....

Gee, I wonder. Shouldn't Wendy be on her way to New York by February 9th if she's in the final three? How could she host a party in her home town AND be in New York for the final filming? Seems a little off -

Think you're making an assumption here that is not only very upsetting to 90% of viewers, but projecting your own wishes onto this "documentary" filming. It's possible that there is going to be filming of all of the contestants, but you don't know that, now do you?

kitkit

February 2, 2005 - 12:34 PM

Feel better now?

Checking the boards at lunch break - that's how it starts you know! Next thing you know you'll make friends on here and get to know people - lordy it'll be chaos!

TTB

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I actually *do* feel better now. I really appreciate the amiable tone of your response (if that was intended). It undermines the point that I was trying to make and opens doors for people with differing opinions.

I really can't wait for the show tonight. I'm full of anxiety that Jay might be kicked off...

choptt

February 2, 2005 - 12:55 PM

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i think it takes someone incredibly emotionally immature, petulant and controlling to attack them for it...

and you know what? if Wendy read it, I'd bet she'd laugh too. she seems mature enough to get a joke.

You summarize the situation perfectly..."emotionally immature, petulant, and controlling" ...hard to believe some people have to start flaming right and left just because someone DISAGREES with them, isn't it!

Boy, I bet they'd find it HILARIOUS if they got called every kind of "scary b**ch", witch, fat, ugly, crazy, cow, "wh**re", no talent, no skills, attack their children, their mothering skills, their work, talent, joking about them getting killed (so clever!), b**ch slapped, beat up...I'm sure that person who can't even stand to be disagreed with would find that REALLY REALLY FUNNY, a little good natured good humor from the emotionally mature set. Speaking of yawn.

ThomsTeddyBear

February 2, 2005 - 12:55 PM

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Feel better now?

Checking the boards at lunch break - that's how it starts you know! Next thing you know you'll make friends on here and get to know people - lordy it'll be chaos!

TTB

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I actually *do* feel better now. I really appreciate the amiable tone of your response (if that was intended). It undermines the point that I was trying to make and opens doors for people with differing opinions.

I really can't wait for the show tonight. I'm full of anxiety that Jay might be kicked off...

Yup, I was genuine

I'm very nervous about tonight too - no way they can eliminate Jay, he's way too good! And if it were up to the judges (and anyone with sense), he would have won the Rock-n-Roll challenge and had at least one win under his belt by now. Austin is still my boy but you can't deny Jay's talent.

I swear, as the weeks go by I'm inching more and more toward the edge of my seat - next week I'll be on the floor!

musclemonkey

February 2, 2005 - 12:55 PM

I am afraid that tonight is Robert's night. And I hate to see him go, he's too pretty.

Johanna

February 2, 2005 - 01:25 PM

Does anyone know if there's any way we can get in touch with any of the designers? Jay is my fave! I love him!!!!!

musclemonkey

February 2, 2005 - 01:37 PM

are there any queens on here beside me?

ericats

February 2, 2005 - 02:20 PM

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the rumor is she is in the final three!!! She is also hosting a party at the community center next Wednesday 2/9 to make money for the Tsunamai victims...

POSSIBLE SPOILERS

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VIRGINIAN: I don't know if you'll read this since you may be at the gym right now, but it's been said that the final three are holed up in the W hotel in NYC and I guess that the fashion show is next week so if Wendy is in the final three how is she in two places preparing for two events?

Second question: I'm assuming that you know her personally so I was wondering how she feels about 1. her portrayal on the show (even though I'm not a fan of hers I do believe that the images are being manipulated to make her look really bad), and 2. many viewers not liking her or her designs? If I were her I imagine that my feelings would be pretty hurt, so how is she handling it?

d2000

February 2, 2005 - 02:20 PM

Does anyone else think Kara might be a plant?

ericats

February 2, 2005 - 02:27 PM

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Does anyone else think Kara might be a plant?

Hm, never thought about it but she is already a working designer in Hollywood (she's listed on IMDB) and you have to be good to work out here because there is so much competition and celebrities have to look great and have to have an interesting look. It is interesting how the show picked people with broad ranges of experience, from just getting out of school to already being a designer.

I would have liked to have seen Kara Saun's design for Sarah Hudson since designing for singers is what she specializes in.

Anigirl

February 2, 2005 - 02:45 PM

For all the Jay fans.. there is an article on him http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/entertain...10791651.htm?1c
Philly.com Project Runway has helped his career.

fastfashion

February 2, 2005 - 02:55 PM

FYI: Jay is moving to NYC.

Kelly_Fair

February 2, 2005 - 03:52 PM

HELP!

I need to know if anyone knows Kevin or Austin's websites (if they have some) Please please tell me right away if you know! Thank you so much!

(I know Wendy's is www.wendypepper.com)

tapmama

February 2, 2005 - 03:53 PM

My favorite designers are Kara Saun, Jay, and Austin. I think Kara Saun is very talented and has incredible vision.

Jay rocks!! His designs are very edgy, fun, and clever.

I admire Austin's talent(I loved the corn husk dress), but I wish he would do something other than fru fru designs...I still love him though!

DeViL44

February 2, 2005 - 04:26 PM

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So, you like Wendy for her backstabbing pluckiness, her artless scheming, and her searing honesty? I've said this before in a previous posting - Why is backstabbing someone seen as honesty? Like the Elle judge said, Wendy did seem very quick to cut Kevin, and this is by Wendy's own admission, from her site.

You are very much entitled to your opinion, but I'm not sure what is so lovable about a woman who calls her fellow designers "yahoos", alienates them, and openingly admits that she uses tactics to stay in a design competition.

Others have posted that the viewers' personal preferences for a designer have colored our judgment, but Wendy speaks for herself - as viewers, we're not coming up with this shizzit. Also, please, please, please visit wendypepper.com. And, like I said in a previous post, if you really, really, honestly think the women in her gowns look great, then, I don't just know what to say. You're just joking with us, right?

Lastly, if we are allowing our preferences to color judgment, a lot of people seem to harsh on Kevin because he wasn't a "natural born leader." it's a tough situation, and he's not a selfish person, so it's like damned if he did, damnd if he didn't. I seriously doubt that Wendy would have been a better leader. All this Wendy-love truly baffles me.

I ask again, why do people actually like Wendy?

I don't know, I just like Wendy. The back-stabbing situation seems to be the most reason why people hate Wendy. Im not saying it's wrong for you guys to dislike her, cuz back-stabbing is never right to do, but in my personal thoughts...I am not sure wether Wendy's specific intentions were to back stab Kevin. Im going to sound 100% nuts right now, but seriously, it does say it on her site, I agree...but the question is...did she really have PLANS in the beginning of the competition to back stab kevin? I don't know, in my opinion I don't think so. In her site she says she had to resort to trashing Kevin to stay in the competition. Now, this may seem honest, but I don't. It sounds weird. Trashing somebody isn't any way to keep yourself in a competition. She's 40 years old and she has enough common sense. I just think she didin't back stab him intentionally at all, but her thoughts on her site make it seem that way and her basic attitude makes everyone believe she really did because she's so determined, strict and she is extrememly honest to the point were you can't be any more honest wether it's negative honesty or positive. Of course lots of you guys will disagree with me, but thats just the way I see it. Plus, in my opinion...Kevin DID deserve to get bad-mouthed by Wendy because Kevin WAS a tad bit negative towards his fellow people like Kara even explained. He could make rude comments...and he isn't a good leader. I agree that he wasn't a natural born leader, but thats no excuse. If you wanna be a designer and run you're own business you better know how to be an organized and good leader or else how are you going to be successful? It's just like saying "Im going to go compete on Project Runway even though im not a natural born fashion designer." See what I mean? He should have been prepared for that, but nonetheless he didn't do as bad a job as a leader as I thought. However, he could be more strict at times and make sure each designer is progressing accoding to time, runway designs, and ideas.

Back to Wendy...I don't know what you mean by "artless scheming", but that's you're own personal opinion. I don't love Wendy for her artless scheming...I like her for her art-ful design work and creativity. I see a lot of talent in Wendy, and I see such determination. The way she's filmed on PR may not be in the most flattering ways...she's ALWAYS ALWAYS filmed when her negative sides come up making people dislike her. However...all the times she talks like you guys think she's kocky, and self-centered...actually, I find all those thoughts she speaks of very good. Her determination expressed in that way in a strong confidence behavior is something I like seeing. People who say, I wanna make it and be number 1 is always a good thing because it expresses that you believe in yourself. It doesn't really express LITERALLY that you ARE going to make it, or you ARE the best and the kockiest...it means that you believe you can do it and achieve you're goals when you put you're mind to it. She talks in a lot of non-literal meanings that people don't exactly understand, however I always see were she's coming from, and what her points are. Yes, I agree, sometimes she can b a bit bitter, and drama-istic, but thats all part of being human. We all have our own share of problems, and our own negatuive opinions about people...it's the fact of how you express it and Wendy is constantly being filmed WHEN she expresses negative behavior. The crying, and the comments are always being filmed...but I don't really pay too much attention to it. I pay attention to her normal determined behavior and base my opinions on those matters.

strangedaze

February 2, 2005 - 04:40 PM

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I beg to differ about Wendy telling the truth and being honest. From day one, Wendy herself has said she would employ the duplicitous strategy of making herself out to be a fabulous mother hen to better exploit others in their more vulnerable moments.

Had Wendy been as honest as her sympathizers try to make her out to be, she would have voiced her criticisms about Kevin's leadership to his face. Instead, she lulled him into thinking she had no objections (e.g., she told him in episode 7, "don't you know, I'm cool") only to attack him in front of the judges. Btw, I don't believe she attacked Kevin only out of knee-jerk self-defense after being chewed out by the judges. I think Wendy would have worked in harsh criticisms about Kevin whether the judges asked her directly or not. The fact that she told Tim about how she wanted to be around and continually opined to the camera about how "others are weaker" (hint, hint) certainly support the theory her attack on Kevin was more premeditated than spontaneous.

Although the other PR designers also secretly critized Kevin's leadership abilities, *none* of them used their criticisms as a strategy to off Kevin.

Contrast how Wendy behaved to Kevin with how Nora behaved to him when he was leader before. Nora openly criticized Kevin to *his face* (albeit in a high strung manner) in the rock-and-roll challenge. When she critized Kevin in front of the judges, he already knew how Nora honestly felt. Wendy, on the her hand, hid what she truly felt and then decided to be "honest" in front of the judges.

Nora - honest to Kevin before the judging and during.
Wendy - lied to Kevin about "being cool" before the judging but "honest" during.

That, to me, is an enormous distinction. The element of deceit in Wendy's situation is what has made her so many enemies amongst her fellow PR designers and on this message board.

I re-watched my tape of episode 7 and noticed Kevin was trying to hold back tears when Heidi announced he was out. What Wendy did to him was incredibly hurtful and I find it annoying she had the gall to go on camera afterwards and sob about how everyone looked like they were one happy, cohesive group while she was somewhere in outer space. She accomplished her objective of getting Kevin kicked off, so what was there to weep about?

Let me get this straight. You *re-watched* your tape of the show over this drama? That redefines the meaning of the word pathetic.

I too am shocked to see all this petty venom towards Wendy. I haven't been on the boards before today and have really liked Wendy's designs and personality. She speaks the TRUTH. As in when she pointed out how the others were affecting this fake psuedo-intelletctualism in the future discussion -- dead on. And when she spoke the truth on the runway -- KEVIN WAS A BAD LEADER, PERIOD - WHY ELSE WOULD KARA HAVE TO TAKE OVER? -- she expected everyone else to back her up. I would've done the same thing. The truth isn't "backstabbing". That guy really sucked at directing a group, from the pods to the loss of control to Kara, and it would've been wrong to lie about that to the judges. You can say "well, that's not his style, leading isn't his strength" -- well, isn't that the point?

I loved Wendy's swimsuit design and I thought her future design fit her model great, was very cute, and was lucky enough to fall into the "deconstructed" theme they decided to make up after the fact. Maybe if Kevin had truly led the group to coming up to a specific, coherent theme before they ever cut fabric, he might've been able to design something that fit the theme. Kevin dug his own grave.

I think Wendy, Jay, and Kara deserve to be in the top 3. Austin is talented but he's a one trick pony; as someone else pointed out, he should be designing costumes. And Rob, everything he has designed has been god-awful. I think the worst was that swimsuit that hung on his model like a bad. I express the same sentiment a few of the designers pointed out last time-- WTF is he still doing here??

Kelly_Fair

February 2, 2005 - 04:55 PM

PaleFire76

I unlike the outhers, agree with you. I think what Wendy did was harsh and unfair. I dont know anyone who would want to hire her knowing her attitude now, and frankly I think that Kevin deserves to be there and NOT Wendy!

PaleFire76

February 2, 2005 - 04:56 PM

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PaleFire76

I unlike the outhers, agree with you. I think what Wendy did was harsh and unfair. I dont know anyone who would want to hire her knowing her attitude now, and frankly I think that Kevin deserves to be there and NOT Wendy!

Hey, thanks for the support! Appreciate it.

PaleFire76

February 2, 2005 - 05:11 PM

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Let me get this straight. You *re-watched* your tape of the show over this drama? That redefines the meaning of the word pathetic.

Gee, thanks. Quite hypocritical of you to criticize everyone else's venom towards Wendy, then spew your venom on me.

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She speaks the TRUTH. As in when she pointed out how the others were affecting this fake psuedo-intelletctualism in the future discussion -- dead on.

Whether the discussion was "pseudo-intellectualism" is a matter Wendy's opinion and is hardly the truth. Her opinion does not equal the truth.

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The truth isn't "backstabbing".

It's backstabbing when you blatantly lie to someone's face that "everything's cool" as Wendy did after he (Kevin) asked you 3-4 times whether you had any problems with the collection and then turn around and tell the judges the "truth" that Kevin was not a good leader. If Wendy let Kevin know ahead of time, then it would *not* be backstabbing.

Also wanted to point out, I have never been one to advocate bodily injury to Wendy nor have I insulted her mothering skills, so I'm not sure why you're aiming so much hostility at me. I'm just pointing out Wendy has hardly been as honest and truthful as some have made her out to be.

You can feel free to reject or accept my point of view just as I am free to reject your theory about how "Wendy speaks the truth."

angeedee

February 2, 2005 - 05:13 PM

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PaleFire76

I unlike the outhers, agree with you. I think what Wendy did was harsh and unfair. I dont know anyone who would want to hire her knowing her attitude now, and frankly I think that Kevin deserves to be there and NOT Wendy!

i agree with this kelly fair: i mean, take a few minutes and visit wendy's site and kevin's site.
it is clear who is a designer and who is just a dressmaker, and clearly not a very talented one at that.

i agree with the other posters, tho.
i think poor robio is going to take a hike tonight. the producers probably want to keep cruella deville around so we will continue to watch her alternately plot and wring her hands.........................

angeedee

February 2, 2005 - 05:16 PM

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i think it takes someone incredibly emotionally immature, petulant and controlling to attack them for it...

and you know what? if Wendy read it, I'd bet she'd laugh too. she seems mature enough to get a joke.

You summarize the situation perfectly..."emotionally immature, petulant, and controlling" ...hard to believe some people have to start flaming right and left just because someone DISAGREES with them, isn't it!

Boy, I bet they'd find it HILARIOUS if they got called every kind of "scary b**ch", witch, fat, ugly, crazy, cow, "wh**re", no talent, no skills, attack their children, their mothering skills, their work, talent, joking about them getting killed (so clever!), b**ch slapped, beat up...I'm sure that person who can't even stand to be disagreed with would find that REALLY REALLY FUNNY, a little good natured good humor from the emotionally mature set. Speaking of yawn.

boo-hoo.
That first amendment really sucks, doesn't it???
wouldn't it be boring, i mean great, if everybody was as sensitive as you??

lol

ericats

February 2, 2005 - 05:18 PM

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And when she spoke the truth on the runway -- KEVIN WAS A BAD LEADER, PERIOD... The truth isn't "backstabbing".

STRANGEDAZE: I don't know if you've had a chance to see Wendy's website but she talks about this episode and she states the following: "I had to resort to trashing Kevin instead of making it through on my own merits." Is trashing someone necessarily telling the truth? Don't you think that an honorable person would try to make it through on their own merits?

Speaking of being honorable, there is really no need to call someone pathetic.

JustTzujIt

February 2, 2005 - 05:20 PM

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I re-watched my tape of episode 7 and noticed Kevin was trying to hold back tears when Heidi announced he was out. What Wendy did to him was incredibly hurtful and I find it annoying she had the gall to go on camera afterwards and sob about how everyone looked like they were one happy, cohesive group while she was somewhere in outer space. She accomplished her objective of getting Kevin kicked off, so what was there to weep about?

I was holding back tears right there with him. Wendy is so heartless.