snoops
February 3, 2005 - 10:36 PM
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I ask again, why do people like Wendy?
Wendy. I certainly do not defend her, nor do I in any way “like” or approve her behavior, but I simply do not have the type of visceral response to her that many on these boards seem to. I do not “HATE” her. And I find some of the excesses of Wendy-bashing on the boards unreasonable (are they plants?), uninteresting and a bit distasteful.
This is for several reasons:
1. As I said in a previous post, her machinations are so artless (and ineffectual) that I find them more amusing than truly evil; they seem born more of insecurity than true malice or hatred. I found R. Johnson’s behavior much more disturbing than anything Wendy has done. Has Wendy ever been able to truly undermine another designer? To ruin their design, discredit them in the eyes of the judges? She discredits herself! And that directly into the camera!
I would have to disagree, TTB. She discredited Kevin, and even if the episode was edited to appear as if her opinion of his leadership mattered, it did have the desired effect that Wendy wanted - to keep moving on in the challenges. And, now, this mediocre designer is one of the final four - although many more worthy designers have been eliminated along the way - Kevin, Nora, and Alexandra.
I don't hate Wendy because of her artless machinations. I hate her because her stupid, graceless manipulation is taking over the show, when we want to see real designers go through the creative process of being, well, designers. Even if stupid Wendy is just eking out her last minute of fame, she is still ruining this show and proving a point driven home by all the other reality shows - the most conniving [expletive deleted] wins.
Why can't this show be different? If you're a good designer, you should be in the final 3. Do you all realize how many times Wendy has been on the brink of oblivion? I think she has almost been eliminated every other time except for two (wedding dress & BR dress).
And, it's not like she has 'no' talent, just not enough to be where she is on the show right now. Damn that Robert - if only he put in another half-hour into his post office shirt, we'd be dancing on Wendy's TV grave.
And no, I don't care if all this Wendy-bashing seems disturbing to some of you. What should be disturbing is that people with real talent have gone by the wayside while we still have to hear Wendy's straturlegy about how to stay on the runway. Yeah, I said it. Lastly, a little insecurity is a very dangerous thing. Just ask Kevin.
snoops
February 3, 2005 - 11:05 PM
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If Wendy is mean/aggressive to you because she tells the truth and doesn't skirt issues like most of the other contestants.
I beg to differ about Wendy telling the truth and being honest. From day one, Wendy herself has said she would employ the duplicitous strategy of making herself out to be a fabulous mother hen to better exploit others in their more vulnerable moments.
Had Wendy been as honest as her sympathizers try to make her out to be, she would have voiced her criticisms about Kevin's leadership to his face. Instead, she lulled him into thinking she had no objections (e.g., she told him in episode 7, "don't you know, I'm cool") only to attack him in front of the judges. Btw, I don't believe she attacked Kevin only out of knee-jerk self-defense after being chewed out by the judges. I think Wendy would have worked in harsh criticisms about Kevin whether the judges asked her directly or not. The fact that she told Tim about how she wanted to be around and continually opined to the camera about how "others are weaker" (hint, hint) certainly support the theory her attack on Kevin was more premeditated than spontaneous.
Palefire, you are so cool! Great analysis - I am sick to death of reading those posts about how "honest" Wendy was about Kevin's leadership. If honesty is being friendly with someone, then lambasting in them in public, then there's another life lesson we learn from reality TV: honesty is something you hold back until you can use it to hurt someone else. Great! Nice going, Wendy. You even manipulated a whole bunch of people on a message board into thinking you're this sweet, nice person, who wouldn't hurt a fly.
mrg122082
February 3, 2005 - 11:24 PM
I'm sure this is not a popular opinion, but I think you are all nuts!! Wendy is an incredibly great character on the show and I too much bad credit is given to her that comes from the editting. I have been amazed at the brilliance of Bravo with this show, leaving us in suspense and creating interesting characters out of these designers, but it is clear that Wendy is editted to seem more conniving than she actually is. For example, in the year 2050 challenge, Tim was talking to Kevin and told him "in many ways you are the most vulnerable person in this challenge," cut to Wendy looking up, making it seem like she cares so much about strategy. Bravo easily can cut to a shot of her doing that even if she didn't look up at that moment.
The bottom line is the conniving methods that Wendy came in with clearly have no place in this game because it is nearly impossible to sabotage someone else's chances outside of ruining their garments. Whenever Wendy spoke up during a judgment she was right. Both Austin and Kevin were terrible leaders and other people agreed but did not have the guts to say anything bad about each other. Ultimately, Wendy is the only person on the show who sees a division between personal realationships and business relationships. Outside of the judgment she can be nice to a designer and still say that they were not a good leader without any contradiction.
I think it is also interesting how Wendy is the only designer who seems to be really intelligent. She really came up with a lot of good and interesting concepts in the 2050 challenge and was the only one to see thru the psuedo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo the rest of the cast was throwing around.
Finally, I really think that Wendy is one of the top designers on the show. I will agree that she had a rocky start, but she really stepped it up. After her first design I have really liked everything that she has done on the show (other than the post office uniform). I don't understand why her wedding dress didn't win, I definitely felt is was absolutely amazing. Her swimsuit was awesome and even her year 2050 outfit was pretty cool.
I think she still has a chance to be in the final three. She definitely can beat Austin, his outfits are too costumy and always seem like the belong a decade in the past. She won't win, but she definitely deserves to be where she is and still has a chance to make it into the final three.
SleepyD
February 3, 2005 - 11:30 PM
I'm not certain where surprise elimination comes from either. I don't hear it mentioned in any of the previews I've seen, but if so then in all hopes it is just a way to promote viewership. The biggest surprise to anyone who has followed the show and I bet'cha to the three other designers that were left when these shows were taped was that Wendy was still there amongst them.
In the previews I've seen they have Kara stating Wendy took the material she was using followed by the obivious statement that those that try to sabotage other people can't rely on their own talent--well, yeah, Wendy in a nutshell!
I feel that to watch next week's show, I'm going to have to have an airsick bag handy, because from the previews when Wendy says she really enjoyed seeing other people squirm and could stay there forever, just makes me want to throw up! Where did they dig this woman up? To paraphrase what others on this forum have asked, what is she--a Survivor reject?
Where in the world does she get off "enjoying" to see any of the other 3 designers squirm? They have the talent and vision to make it in this industry--she doesn't. If she feels like she was ostracized by the others, well it was totally of her own making and actions towards them and the ones who in her stead were eliminated. She was definitely the one who drew first blood with her patronizing ulterior motives and backstabbing she did to those who were there to only prove to the world they could be the next top high-fashion designer, not to win at all costs even when they have absolutely no talent to rely on.
Tejayes
February 4, 2005 - 12:03 AM
To everyone who is saying that a Wendy-makes-the-final-three situation will destroy the show, I'd actually have to say the opposite.
Yes, I have been a little "lovey" of Wendy in the past. First, I don't like her too much anymore, since she did break the theme of the show (REDESIGN), yet stayed on. Second, isn't that what we all want: to see Wendy get hers just before the final three, making her elimination that much sweeter?
To me, Wendy getting eliminated next, as much as I want it now, would probably do more for destroying credibility in this show than the other option because the producers are giving us what we want. If the show is truly good, the eliminations will be justified (which most have to this point) and we WON'T always get what we want.
Don't believe me? Look at Survivor and Rupert Boneham. He was LOOOOOOVED by the viewers, never won, and the producers decided to pull this "America's Tribal Council" to finally give him a million. Many people thought this stunt did more harm to the show than anything else, including Jon's "dead grandma," Rosie hosting the reunion, and the entire Thailand season.
lisakaz
February 4, 2005 - 01:34 AM
Read Vanessa Riley's comments about her and what even Kara now says. It's not made up.
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roses1
February 4, 2005 - 04:06 AM
Where can we read these comments? :-)
PRaddict
February 4, 2005 - 05:35 AM
I won't be at all surprised to see Wendy in the top 3. About 90 percent of the discussion on this board is about Wendy - why would the producers want to drop the most popular designer? Even if practically everyone wants to see her fail - she's still the one being watched the most.
Austin is a character and very talented but he's so far out there that he's always been on the edge of being dismissed as too costumey. Costumey or Dowdy? - it can go either way.
Another reason I wouldn't be surprised is that as much as I love Jay's designs, he admits he has a sketchy history of devoting himself to anything. I'm sure the producers would like to see the winner have some level of success. I don't know if I would hand him $100K. While Wendy will never set the world on fire with cutting edge fashion, she is well educated and has made a living in fashion for many years already.
Not that I think for one minute that Kara Saun won't win. I don't find her designs all that exciting but they're well executed, she's consistent, smart, capable of leadership, etc. She's so far out in front that if this whole Wendy thing wasn't going on, this show wouldn't be all that interesting. Kara Saun is so boring (on screen at least) that she should be very thankful for all that talent.
So I can definitely see Wendy in the top 3. Not the winner, but in the top 3.
Twitchly
February 4, 2005 - 05:43 AM
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I don't hate Wendy because of her artless machinations. I hate her because her stupid, graceless manipulation is taking over the show, when we want to see real designers go through the creative process of being, well, designers. Even if stupid Wendy is just eking out her last minute of fame, she is still ruining this show and proving a point driven home by all the other reality shows - the most conniving [expletive deleted] wins.
Why can't this show be different? If you're a good designer, you should be in the final 3.
Totally agree here. I can't say I hate Wendy, but I hate what she's doing to the show. This show has set itself apart by being about talent, which has made it such a refreshing change from the manipulative soap operas that make up so much other "reality" TV. I don't know if it's the way Bravo has edited the show, or if Wendy really is a total sociopath, but either way I hate to see this show degenerate into just another reality TV loser.
Having said all that, what should the judges do if Kara's design truly is the worst this week? It looked awful in the preview. And Wendy's wasn't horrible, just her usual bland stuff. Do they still throw Wendy out, even if her design is actually better than Kara's? How much should past challenges affect their decision?
nycgal
February 4, 2005 - 06:13 AM
Damn that Robert - if only he put in another half-hour into his post office shirt, we'd be dancing on Wendy's TV grave.
Robert needed to complete his postal uniform design with a utility jacket, maybe with zippered sleeves( something like the pants concept) and a utility belt for small items. His design had promise, but his finish design was not enough.It looked like a lazy effort.
P.S. Even if his design was the best of the group, he still would be eliminated...That is unfortunately about show biz ratings. The producers want a big final show build up for a surprise ending.
luvinkpenz
February 4, 2005 - 06:54 AM
If anyone wants a spoiler. On TV Tombs website they list all of the contestants from the show. So far they are in the order of elimination. From the the First to leave to the most recent. I won't say how they are listed but it looks like an upset.
fastfashion
February 4, 2005 - 06:56 AM
WOW
fancytancy
February 4, 2005 - 07:10 AM
WHere?
fastfashion
February 4, 2005 - 07:12 AM
SPOILERS> read to the bottom and then to the end of the article- could be clever ruse!
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/39835.htm
tracer
February 4, 2005 - 07:23 AM
the winners have not been leaked to the media. so, not true as far as the order goes.
fastfashion
February 4, 2005 - 07:24 AM
yeah the TV TOME one is just in alphabetical order per the 4 remaining- but the NY Post has an article that is revealing!!!
roses1
February 4, 2005 - 07:28 AM
I saw a list on tvtomes.com/projectrunway (I think that's the addy) and it didn't look like that big of an upset, if that list is correct.
katgirl
February 4, 2005 - 07:33 AM
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The bottom line is the conniving methods that Wendy came in with clearly have no place in this game because it is nearly impossible to sabotage someone else's chances outside of ruining their garments. Whenever Wendy spoke up during a judgment she was right. Both Austin and Kevin were terrible leaders and other people agreed but did not have the guts to say anything bad about each other. Ultimately, Wendy is the only person on the show who sees a division between personal realationships and business relationships. Outside of the judgment she can be nice to a designer and still say that they were not a good leader without any contradiction.
I think it is also interesting how Wendy is the only designer who seems to be really intelligent.
IMHO Wendy is a great dressmaker/tailor/skilled seamstress, Wendy is a mediocre to terrible REDESIGNER and a horrid designer - she specializes in making a woman look like she got hit with the dowdy stick. At least one good designer is gone so I do beg to differ that someone else's actions could cause elimination. There is a difference between what is professional, two-faced and what is ethical. You can be nice to someone and not lie between your teeth about your experience with that person. Why did Wendy tell Kevin she was "cool" ? If she were so honest she wouldn't have let the opportunity pass to tell him what she needed from him. His style of leadership did not fit with those designers because they were all leadership material themselves - except Robert and maybe Austin (no one could lead Austin, he marches to his own beat and he doesn't give a darn about leading anyone else). A good leader has good followers too - it takes both entities and lots of communication. Wendy chose to set him up at every turn and it worked. Vanessa even pointed out how lousy a team mate Wendy was in the Austin thing.
LMAO, what you see as Wendy's intelligence - i see as spiteful, manipulative and very very cunning...i would roll over and die if my kids or even my neighbor were that kind of intelligent.
tracer
February 4, 2005 - 07:36 AM
I think it is also interesting how Wendy is the only designer who seems to be really intelligent. She really came up with a lot of good and interesting concepts in the 2050 challenge and was the only one to see thru the psuedo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo the rest of the cast was throwing around.
Finally, I really think that Wendy is one of the top designers on the show. I will agree that she had a rocky start, but she really stepped it up. After her first design I have really liked everything that she has done on the show (other than the post office uniform). I don't understand why her wedding dress didn't win, I definitely felt is was absolutely amazing. Her swimsuit was awesome and even her year 2050 outfit was pretty cool.
WHO ARE YOU? WENDY OR HER MOTHER?
fastfashion
February 4, 2005 - 07:42 AM
wendy is a terrible designer. she's on par with Starr- she just made a point of letting the producers know she'd do anything to win. If Starr had been ruthless she'd be there too.
tracer
February 4, 2005 - 07:45 AM
so true. notice her t-shirt. she even makes herself look evil.
PRaddict
February 4, 2005 - 08:03 AM
I don't think the show used creative editing to make Wendy look bad, but I still like her. She's not really being two-faced. At least since the Austin thing, she's been very clear that she's playing hardball. Kevin should have been smarter and watched his back (and not having his design stand out like a sore thumb would have helped him too). It's not like she was wrong about Austin or Kevin's leadership.
Wendy really only had two choices - manipulate herself past every challenge (and become THE most talked about designer on the show) or get voted off (Wendy who?).
I like her designs too. I don't think I'd be seen in public in anything Austin designed. Unless I was on stage in a production, maybe. Robert's designs didn't even fit his models, I wouldn't want them sagging off me.
fastfashion
February 4, 2005 - 08:21 AM
I dont think that Wendy is the most talked about designer. most bitched about definitely, but KAJ are all talked about on all the boards and they have humor, personality and design strength as well as amazing personal style and professionalism. Wendy is a special effect. She's there to be hated. She was more than willing to take that role.
ThomsTeddyBear
February 4, 2005 - 08:37 AM
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......For me, any of the three--Kara, Austin, or Jay, would make wonderful, well-deserved winners of the awards and prizes, but please (PLEASE! PR) do not give it to (ahem, as Jay would say) the cockroach.
>>>APPLAUSE!! APPLAUSE!!<<<
Now THAT was a serious, truthful, and well-stated post!!
ThomsTeddyBear
February 4, 2005 - 09:01 AM
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While I agree Wendy's designs are the most lacking in creativity of the final designers, I'm going to play devil's advocate where she's concerned. Of the four left, she is the only one who openly said what she thought in front of everyone. She said to Austin's face he wasn't as strong a leader as he should have been (which was true... he let Vanessa change his "rocker chick" design) while Jay, when speaking only to the camera, accused Austin of whoring himself to win the bathing suit contest. Wendy accused Kevin of not being a strong leader to his face (the 2055 episode), but Kara said the same thing, but again, only to the camera. It's hypocritical of the designers to get down on Wendy for doing what they themselves do. But then again, I'm only seeing what the network shows me. Wendy openly came in with an agenda but didn't they all? Each is there to win.
What she did was refuse to communicate at all on Austin's team and downright lied to Kevin in an "I'm cool...we're cool" kind of way when he was leader. She schemed then pounced NOT to their faces which would have been in the workroom, but on the runway to take advantage of them being in a hard place. There's no truth in her. Each is there to win...on their own talent (or so they thought and we were led to believe), not on backstabbing and sabbotage like Wendy specializes in. If that were the case, Austin and Rob would not have helped Jay.
woof123
February 4, 2005 - 09:19 AM
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I am sick to death of reading those posts about how "honest" Wendy was about...
Indeed, indeed, my oh my, the things that pass for honesty these days... Wendy's criticisms of Austin and Kevin for their leadership skills and the group as a whole for their "BS" about the 2055 collection may have had elements of truth to them, but that doesn't make them honest by a long shot.
If she had addressed her issues with Austin and Kevin up front with them and not reached a satisfactory resolution after their interaction, then fine. For example, I don't remember if she ever really said what exactly her problem was with Austin, but let's say she had an issue with the design, felt it was going in the wrong direction. What's so hard about saying "you know, I'm worried about xyz, maybe we're straying from the design concept here." If he responded poorly and the dress came out badly, I have no problem with being truly honest in saying that she thought there was a problem, tried to address it, and got nowhere.
Same deal with Kevin, if she felt that he wasn't keeping enough of an eye on the continuity of the collection, say so to *him* while there is time to do something about it! If he responds negatively, OK, you tried and can honestly say that you made the attempt and got nowhere.
Finally, busting on the group for their pseudo-intellectual whatever she called it regarding the environment and design for the collection, same song, different day. Speak UP woman! "Guys, this soulds like eco-poseur-babble, maybe we need to come up with a different strategy for dealing with the judges." If everyone gives you the royal raspberry, well, you said your piece, and if the judges call everyone out on the babble, you can honestly say you tried.
Go take a look at a dictionary for a definition of honest and you may find the following:
Marked by or displaying integrity; upright
Not deceptive or fraudulent; genuine
Equitable; fair
BoyzMom
February 4, 2005 - 09:23 AM
Something has been bugging me about the postal episode (know it's 2 days later but I'm waiting breathlessly for the next episode!)
I wonder if Jay's design would have been labeled too "butch" were Austin not wearing it? For example, on Julia it would have looked great. It looked great on Austin, too but it was - not more masculine but maybe more unisex - than anything I've seen Austin wear on the show to date. Jay and Kara tied on this one to me - both outfits looked phenomenal - functional AND stylish. I could easily see myself wearing one or the other of them.
Now, Austin. I think we throw the 'costumey' label around too much, as do the judges. Obviously that's in his background and he is a very flamboyant person with a theatrical personality. But to call the clothes he's created for these challenges 'costumey' to me just does NOT fit. His 'Envy' dress was even a little subdued but was beautifully executed. I'm a mom in my mid-30s but I would buy his BR dress in a heartbeat - it was gorgeous on the runway, sexy and elegant and most importantly, REALISTIC for different figures. I hated the wedding dress - too bad because I bet he could have done something amazing 'on his own' - would have loved to see him paired with Melissa and how he would have executed her vision. His swimsuit was stunning and, again, something that looks high-fashion but would translate well to the 'real world'.
And Austin's postal uniform - I thought it was brilliant! He obviously listened to the concerns of the lady he was working with who requested something 'breathable' and 'without sleeves'. They may have been a tad too form-fitting but it is a runway show after all. The poncho with waterproof fabric was genius. I think the judges have just pigeon-holed Austin as 'costumey' and that's how they keep labeling him.
And the more I look at Robert's design, the more frustrating it is that he was eliminated. It was NOT BAD - even the shirt.
We've all had our Wendy speculation and I wonder if indeed she was kept around not for drama but because of the BR challenge. Think about it, once the designers are 'voted off', they are sort of out-of-sight out-of-mind. Had she won that challenge then been eliminated immediately it would not have helped the pub for BR.
One more thought on Wendy. I don't like the way she's acting, being portrayed, being edited. I just don't like anything about it. As was pointed out previously, people are talking about her and isn't that a good thing but I disagree. It's a distraction. It makes the show less documentary and more. . .silly. And truthfully there is a demographic that would adore to see Wendy succeed on her merits. I was a would-be designer in my early 20s and I was totally impressed that a mother in her late 30s/early 40s would take a chance like this. Like it or not it takes cajones! But then to get there and become this . . . caricature. Shame on the producers and shame on her for giving them the ammunition!
ThomsTeddyBear
February 4, 2005 - 09:25 AM
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I'm sure this is not a popular opinion, but I think you are all nuts!! ....
I think it is also interesting how Wendy is the only designer who seems to be really intelligent. She really came up with a lot of good and interesting concepts in the 2050 challenge and was the only one to see thru the psuedo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo the rest of the cast was throwing around.
I would say "Hello, Mr. Pepper" but it would probably be misinterpreted as a lethal lashing of the tongue.
fastfashion
February 4, 2005 - 09:45 AM
sorry for the big URL!!! (only one of the designers is shown so far!!!)
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/
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ThomsTeddyBear
February 4, 2005 - 09:48 AM
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I saw a list on tvtomes.com/projectrunway (I think that's the addy) and it didn't look like that big of an upset, if that list is correct.
The NY Post one lists all four that are left, not very revealing. Tv Tome has been true to order...hopefully it doesn't change (and the top 3 are not necessarily in the right order).
BoyzMom
February 4, 2005 - 09:59 AM
I saw 24 images and must say the clothes look very 'Jay'. What do you think? Whoever did them, it looks like about 80% hit 20% miss (a fantastic ratio)!
BoyzMom
February 4, 2005 - 10:01 AM
SPOILER ALERT!
Editing my own post - duh! There's a photo of Jay in there lol.
bigfan2
February 4, 2005 - 10:01 AM
Well, it's down to the final 4 and all except one of my predictions of who'd make it this far are right. I was sorry to see Alexandra go. I thought she would be where Wendy is now. Though, I believe Wendy's time is up and will be eliminated next week. Then it will be down to my three favorites, Kara, Austin and Jay. Either one of these three could win. But I feel Kara will take the prize. Her designs are elegant, classy, and yet fun. Her designs are diverse yet remain consistent. In these finale weeks Kara's designs are becoming more and more detailed and unique. Not to mention extremely well executed. Yes, I believe Kara is the one who has grown the most from this experience and has developed her own signature style. I able to say that's definitely a Kara design.
mrg122082
February 4, 2005 - 10:04 AM
Quote:I would say "Hello, Mr. Pepper" but it would probably be misinterpreted as a lethal lashing of the tongue.
I would love to be Mr. Pepper. . . I would be rich!! Maybe the difference between the way I look at this show and the way everyone else does is that I see Project Runway as a REALITY TELEVISION SHOW not a quest to see who is the nicest and will sit around in a circle and sing coumba-ya. Wendy is the most interesting character on the show. . . not the most likable. . . but maybe the most endearing and possibly the character that it is easiest to sympathize with.
A television show like this needs to create villians otherwise no one will watch it. We are given people to root for and people that we hope trip on the runway. Yes, Wendy is probably insecure nad occasionally acts in a selfish way, but she is demonized by the editted to a greater degree than she actually is.
I think it is interesting also how nobody is really willing to attack her designs. It seems like all the responses to my post were either personal attacks on me (which I could care less about) or personal attacks on Wendy. The only thing that keeps people on this show are the designs. Kevin's design was the worst. . . Rob's design was the worst. Regardless of what Wendy says about the designer, the design will either make or break someone.
RGRRGR
February 4, 2005 - 10:07 AM
In looking at the site provided by fastfashion, it looks like Jay made it...If those images are his entire collection, he does pretty well, with a few minor exceptions.
ThomsTeddyBear
February 4, 2005 - 10:16 AM
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Something has been bugging me about the postal episode (know it's 2 days later but I'm waiting breathlessly for the next episode!)
I wonder if Jay's design would have been labeled too "butch" were Austin not wearing it? For example, on Julia it would have looked great. It looked great on Austin, too but it was - not more masculine but maybe more unisex - than anything I've seen Austin wear on the show to date. Jay and Kara tied on this one to me - both outfits looked phenomenal - functional AND stylish. I could easily see myself wearing one or the other of them.
Thought Jay's outfit was worthy of a win this time too. And how is it looking too butch? We see females in all kinds of clothes they enjoy and it looks too butch? That was an untruth.
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Now, Austin. I think we throw the 'costumey' label around too much, as do the judges. Obviously that's in his background and he is a very flamboyant person with a theatrical personality. But to call the clothes he's created for these challenges 'costumey' to me just does NOT fit. His 'Envy' dress was even a little subdued but was beautifully executed. I'm a mom in my mid-30s but I would buy his BR dress in a heartbeat - it was gorgeous on the runway, sexy and elegant and most importantly, REALISTIC for different figures. I hated the wedding dress - too bad because I bet he could have done something amazing 'on his own' - would have loved to see him paired with Melissa and how he would have executed her vision. His swimsuit was stunning and, again, something that looks high-fashion but would translate well to the 'real world'.
And Austin's postal uniform - I thought it was brilliant! He obviously listened to the concerns of the lady he was working with who requested something 'breathable' and 'without sleeves'. They may have been a tad too form-fitting but it is a runway show after all. The poncho with waterproof fabric was genius. I think the judges have just pigeon-holed Austin as 'costumey' and that's how they keep labeling him.
AGREED!!
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And the more I look at Robert's design, the more frustrating it is that he was eliminated. It was NOT BAD - even the shirt.
You know what, it could probably work for people who worked inside the post office itself on summer days. It wasn't the best but at least it was re-designed.
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One more thought on Wendy. I don't like the way she's acting, being portrayed, being edited. I just don't like anything about it. As was pointed out previously, people are talking about her and isn't that a good thing but I disagree. It's a distraction. It makes the show less documentary and more. . .silly. And truthfully there is a demographic that would adore to see Wendy succeed on her merits. I was a would-be designer in my early 20s and I was totally impressed that a mother in her late 30s/early 40s would take a chance like this. Like it or not it takes cajones! But then to get there and become this . . . caricature. Shame on the producers and shame on her for giving them the ammunition!
>>APPLAUSE!!<<
MEdancer
February 4, 2005 - 10:21 AM
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I think it is also interesting how Wendy is the only designer who seems to be really intelligent. She really came up with a lot of good and interesting concepts in the 2050 challenge and was the only one to see thru the psuedo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo the rest of the cast was throwing around.
Finally, I really think that Wendy is one of the top designers on the show.
Wow! How can you possibly say that "Wendy is the only designer who seems to be really intelligent" -- are you joking??? I don't doubt that Wendy is smart, but it takes GREAT intelligence to design beautiful clothing under the very artifically stressful circumstances of PR. I doubt that some of less than great intelligence can produce the work that Kara, Jay, and Austin have with cameras in their faces, a very small budget, the material constrainsts, the theme constrainsts, etc. While I wholeheartedly stand by my strong criticism of Austin with respect to not guiding Melissa in the bathing suit episode, the fact of the matter is that he is brilliant. That bathing suit, like everything he has made (except the wedding dress, of course), was the product of artistic and technical brilliance. The reason he has not done better in the competition is that he is too married to his vision to better blend the beauty of his creations with the theme constrainsts. Kara, my fave, consistently creates beautiful pieces that are not derivative, AND they meet the themes of the challenges. Again, artistic and technical brilliance. And JAY!-- he was ROBBED! ROBBED! ROBBED! of the Banana Republic prize. Wendy's design was lovely, but Jay's was ART! And it takes great intelligence to create such a beautiful garment. Every time I see the Chrysler building, I think of that dress. By no means do I think Wendy is unintelligent, but face it--her work always pales by comparison to that of K, J, and A. Furthermore, she was laughing during the 2055 exchange among her competitors not because she saw through any "psuedo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo," but because she has little confidence in her ability. She needed to be petty so the producers would keep her on the show as the villain. Smart tactic-- yeah. But what a price to pay. . . .
ThomsTeddyBear
February 4, 2005 - 10:23 AM
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sorry for the big URL!!! (only one of the designers is shown so far!!!)
...and that's all I'm going to say.
I can't say anymore.
Uhm uhm.
You'll have to track it down for yourself.
If I post it it'll get deleted.
I'm just going to wait.
ThomsTeddyBear
February 4, 2005 - 10:27 AM
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In looking at the site provided by fastfashion, it looks like Jay made it...If those images are his entire collection, he does pretty well, with a few minor exceptions.
The neckline on some of the dresses definitely look like Kara's work.
But that's it.
No more clues.
lisakaz
February 4, 2005 - 10:29 AM
You must have seen what I did. Grrrr. BR musta staged this. How ridiculous. What a crime.
lk
jules
February 4, 2005 - 10:30 AM
Look closely at the pictures before Jay and you will see another designer. They haven't shown the third yet.
lisakaz
February 4, 2005 - 10:32 AM
We know. How could they be so stupid?
lk
ThomsTeddyBear
February 4, 2005 - 10:36 AM
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Look closely at the pictures before Jay and you will see another designer. They haven't shown the third yet.
I saw it, that's why I was screaming. Looks like I'll only be watching the Q&A show. Sad how this great show began as a search for talent and trickled down to "let's keep the action going". It's not a documentary (an attempt to reinstate itself in the eyes of the public), it's not a reality show (that label was an outright lie) - it's a farce. If there is a PR 2, I won't be watching it...Bravo has underestimated the intelligence of people and that's not a cool thing to do, ratings or not.
P.S. - You know all these posts are going to be deleted by the BBoardBoss when they get here, don't you?
paillette
February 4, 2005 - 10:36 AM
I saw a photo that I thought MIGHT be another designer, but I wasn't sure. Does the photo look slightly different from the designer's appearance on the show?
moomba50
February 4, 2005 - 10:38 AM
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I think it is also interesting how Wendy is the only designer who seems to be really intelligent. She really came up with a lot of good and interesting concepts in the 2050 challenge and was the only one to see thru the psuedo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo the rest of the cast was throwing around.
Finally, I really think that Wendy is one of the top designers on the show. I will agree that she had a rocky start, but she really stepped it up. After her first design I have really liked everything that she has done on the show (other than the post office uniform). I don't understand why her wedding dress didn't win, I definitely felt is was absolutely amazing. Her swimsuit was awesome and even her year 2050 outfit was pretty cool.
WHO ARE YOU? WENDY OR HER MOTHER?
Wow, I think this may be Wen-zilla herself. I bet she's on here trying to regain her integrity by defending her actions and her "style". Because anyone else could see that her designs are far below every other designer on the show. Her postal uniform had NO imagination and her Cowboy cuttup she called an outfit was hideous. (and of course you all know that every woman wants things to hang from her waste giving her that added weight). This person is either Wendy herself, or perhaps her mother, or maybe it's just someone who is looking to get everyone on the board riled up. Either way, we all know the truth. WENDY SUCKS.
luvinkpenz
February 4, 2005 - 10:38 AM
Do they even know the winner yet. I was thinking they only have the top three and that the winner wont be picked for a few weeks. I really will be surprised if Austin wins. I love him but I want Kara to win. she really deserves to win, it seems she has been so close to having a break into the industry for a while now, but Jay and Austin still relatively new to the scene.
angeedee
February 4, 2005 - 10:39 AM
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I think it's highly unlikely that Kara will be the next designer to be eliminated. She has won 4 of the 8 previous challenges. She is an amazingly gifted designer. She has also been very skilled in creating what the judges are looking for. I just don't think she'll start missing the mark this late in the game. She has been too focused on making it to fashion week for that to happen. I think the only way she could possibly be elimiated is if a litle sabotage is involved.
There are several possibilities as to who the "technical support" could be. It could be one of the designers who has been previously eliminated. It would really get Wendy's goat if it were Vanessa or Kevin! Which of the eliminated designers said, "I'll be back."? Was it Nora or Kevin? It is also possible that Morgan could be the "support." That whole chapter just seemed unfinished to me. I've has the feeling for a while that we haven't seen the last of her.
Could Morgan possibly be the one who marked the photo of Wendy's daughter? Wendy was the one who actually eliminated Morgan. Even though she said it was only because the other designers didn't want to work with Morgan, Wendy made the decision that Morgan was "out." Of course, as it's already been said, Wendy could have done tt herself. I really don't think Kevin marked the photo even though he had the access and the motive to do it.
btw, i don't think it was an accident that the final moments of the kevin-elimination show showed us kevin leaving a note for jay. he was using a blue grease pencil. i just can't see kevin putting down the blue grease pencil, finding a black one, and then drawing on wendy's little angel's picture.
I'm telling you, that prank has morgan written all over it.
although I must say, that if the photo I saw was the best one Wendy has of her daughter she really ought to give serious thought to a visit to olan mills.
or maybe wal-mart. I'm SURE she knows where that is.
and don't we already know who the "technical support" is?
there were previews early on showing the cast interacting with Nancy O'Dell.
she hasn't been on any of the other shows.
and, in that show Austin is dancing with his manequin, calling it "miss o'dell," and wearing teh shirt he is shown wearing in the previews for this show.
so, um, does that make sense?
lisakaz
February 4, 2005 - 10:39 AM
Update: there are now pictures of all 4 designers on that site. Did BR not want to eliminate Cruella so all 4 went to Fashion Week or is this a deliberate disguise?
lk
angeedee
February 4, 2005 - 10:42 AM
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Am I seeing a different preview here in Connecticut or something? I haven't heard anything about a 'surprise elimination'. Also, two episodes ago, posts on the message boards talked about Austin and Jay in that mock fight they had over the Page 6 article, but that scene didn't appear to be included in the previews I had seen. Anyone else notice any similar inconsistencies?
yeah, it's obvious that the previews are often misleading.
but the preview everyone is referring to talks about the "elimination you never saw coming."
the only other reference to an elimination I remember is the one that previewed nora's elimination, in which it said "one of your favorites will be left at the altar."
That wasn't entirely accurate, as nora wasn't EVERYONE's favorite, but whatever.
paillette
February 4, 2005 - 10:43 AM
Reviewing last Wednesday's show, I must say that I think Austin looks much better wearing less makeup. While dressed for the post office, he has a much more "natural" look, which I think suits him much better.
He also looks very good in another photo I saw recently...
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