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paillette
February 4, 2005 - 05:29 PM
Odd coincidence: I also am an historian. I teach at a large university, was tenured two years ago. I have the luck to live in an area with a large number of outlets and discount stores, so I manage to dress quite well even on a limited salary. I like things that have historical references as well... my prize jacket has a sort of Ancien Regime sleeve that I love.
jescci
February 4, 2005 - 06:02 PM
Spoilers?



Don't know if this has been posted - haven't read all new posts - there are so many, the site is so busy today I guess because of the Olympus Fashion Week Show today. Anyway, the PR models I saw are:

Melissa
Martinique
Jenny
Julia
Erin (!)

and I'm not sure, but maybe Morgan.

As mentioned, all four remaining designers were represented. When is the official final? Today or later in Fashion Week?
roses1
February 4, 2005 - 06:11 PM
Thanks for the suggestion. It didn't work, but I'll keep trying to figure it out. I found an interesting article a yahoo search. Here is the link:

http://theedge.bostonherald.com/styleNews/...articleid=66973

Very Interesting reading!
DeViL44
February 4, 2005 - 06:16 PM
Ok...just for fun...if you guys want to view MY Fashion Design website, you can. But FIRST, please let me explain myself before making any opinions on them.
Im inspired by Cruella De ViL from the LIVE ACTION (not cartoon) film of 101 Dalmatians in 1996 featuring Glenn Close. I wa salso incpired by her wardrobes once again in 2000 when 102 Dalmatians was released. Her wardrobes blew my mind away, and I never pictured awoman wearing such EXOTIC and "larger than life" furs. I mean, I knew fur...but not at that level. She inspired me, and now I want to be a designer. Iv been designing for 3 years now. The designs on my website are the MOST De ViL inspired and feature lots of details and shapes thought out by me. Lots of animal prints, cloaks, and big portions of fur. The sleek dresses are even made out of very sheared furs. However...they are only just a FEW designs. I have over 40 designs, and they are just a very tiny portion of my collection. I hope to put more on there. Also...im going to be making another portfolio featuring more "simple" designs including Street Wear, Ball Wear, Bridal Wear, Swimsuit wear...ect. It's gonna have everything, but in a more simple form as well as maintaining certain details and a style in which you can look at it and KNOW off the back of your head that it was designed by me.

Now..give me you're opinions on this TINY collection of my huge collection. I will get the rest of my stuff up there as soon as I can.

http://house-of-zebra.tk/

OR

http://www.aadoredesigns.com.au/zebra/

There the same website, bit if 1 doesn't work...try the other and it should work. Tell me what you think, and tell me the strength's and weaknesses of each wardrobe, or just the overall wardrobes together...
jescci
February 4, 2005 - 06:16 PM
Did you all play "Guess The Designer" while looking at the photos from fashion week? Most I couldn't decide, but about a quarter of the time I was saying, "Oh that's definitely (whoever)," and I was never wrong doing that. How could you miss:

Austin: Vintage Glamor/Fantasy
Kara (got clues from first few designs): Low V-Neck/High Wide Belt
Jay: Street Fashion/Hip-Hop
Wendy: Farty
angeedee
February 4, 2005 - 06:17 PM
Quote:

Spoilers?



Don't know if this has been posted - haven't read all new posts - there are so many, the site is so busy today I guess because of the Olympus Fashion Week Show today. Anyway, the PR models I saw are:

Melissa
Martinique
Jenny
Julia
Erin (!)

and I'm not sure, but maybe Morgan.

As mentioned, all four remaining designers were represented. When is the official final? Today or later in Fashion Week?



I also saw Olga on the getty images site.
i didn't see any others but Melissa.........
Gherk
February 4, 2005 - 06:21 PM
Quote:

Spoilers?



Don't know if this has been posted - haven't read all new posts - there are so many, the site is so busy today I guess because of the Olympus Fashion Week Show today. Anyway, the PR models I saw are:

Melissa
Martinique
Jenny
Julia
Erin (!)

and I'm not sure, but maybe Morgan.

As mentioned, all four remaining designers were represented. When is the official final? Today or later in Fashion Week?



I looked at all the pics, didn't see Erin. My assumption is that each of the four models went with each designer, looks like Jay chose Julia, Kara chose Jenny, Austin chose Martinique, Wendy chose Melissa. Though, I don't know if that pantsuit Martinique has on belongs in Austin's collection - I really like it however.

Of all of the pictures I looked at, Jay's is totally my favorite - of course I may be biased because he's a friend of mine, but I just think his sense of color, his incredible attention to detail, and his lovely forms make him truly an artist if not the most interesting and refreshing designer on the runway.

Kara's clothes are beautiful as well, as is her sensibility and talent - but I guess I just imagine I could never afford or wear her clothes, as I don't have a chest like any of her models. I loved her white coat, loved her color scheme.

Austin? Well, still too costumy for me, but I like the theme and whimsy; some of his pieces seemed ill-fitting and sloppy, which is a total shame.

Wendy? Well, they are all dressing themselves, on some level. Her stuff is just so DULL and uninteresting to me, so matronly, so first lady - Christian Right first lady. Yuck.

Bravo certainly let all the cats out of the bag on this one; a shame, but I am so glad I got a peek!!! Will still be watching, rooting for Jay. He truly deserves this, I know he's worked his ass off and been through some very difficult times!!! Can't wait to congratulate him again!!
angeedee
February 4, 2005 - 06:22 PM
Quote:

Thanks for the suggestion. It didn't work, but I'll keep trying to figure it out. I found an interesting article a yahoo search. Here is the link:

http://theedge.bostonherald.com/styleNews/...articleid=66973

Very Interesting reading!



Thanks for posting the article!
I kind of agree with the writer. I love kara saun's clothes, and i liked the detail on hers, but jay's were really just knock-out.
the detail, the draping, the colors, everything just seemed really new and fresh.
I went to the getty images site, and i could tell which ones were wendy's from the lack of fit. they were hanging on the models like bags, or bunching or riding up.
just awful.
I also liked austin's, but again they look so costume-y.
i liked the bodice on the red gown, but i just couldn't get my head around the quilting on the skirt.
I'm glad we found these pictures on the web, because i'll bet real money that PR is not going to give us a good look at these clothes.............
lisakaz
February 4, 2005 - 06:23 PM
How's the job market look to you? It looks pretty grim to me. I had the experience of seeing a real lame grad student get funding and another get funding because he was "older" (academia speak for married with child). I'm struggling to find an opening for myself.

lk
angeedee
February 4, 2005 - 06:24 PM
Quote:

Did you all play "Guess The Designer" while looking at the photos from fashion week? Most I couldn't decide, but about a quarter of the time I was saying, "Oh that's definitely (whoever)," and I was never wrong doing that. How could you miss:

Austin: Vintage Glamor/Fantasy
Kara (got clues from first few designs): Low V-Neck/High Wide Belt
Jay: Street Fashion/Hip-Hop
Wendy: Farty



LOL!!!!!
Gherk
February 4, 2005 - 06:25 PM
Quote:

Did you all play "Guess The Designer" while looking at the photos from fashion week? Most I couldn't decide, but about a quarter of the time I was saying, "Oh that's definitely (whoever)," and I was never wrong doing that. How could you miss:

Austin: Vintage Glamor/Fantasy
Kara (got clues from first few designs): Low V-Neck/High Wide Belt
Jay: Street Fashion/Hip-Hop
Wendy: Farty



Oh yes, I looked. You are so so right - farty is just the word. Yuck.
Veronique
February 4, 2005 - 06:25 PM
Jay is my favorite designer. I would snap one of his designs in a minute.

I like Austin too, but for fantasy land. I bet if I asked him to make a gala gown he'd deliver something that would be glamour/romance/female.

But Jay...you rock!
lisakaz
February 4, 2005 - 06:28 PM
Interesting, indeed. Hard to say what it means, except that I hope it means Wenday has no chance in hades.

lk
Gherk
February 4, 2005 - 06:30 PM
Quote:

Thanks for the suggestion. It didn't work, but I'll keep trying to figure it out. I found an interesting article a yahoo search. Here is the link:

http://theedge.bostonherald.com/styleNews/...articleid=66973

Very Interesting reading!



Thank you so much for posting this - I live in Boston, and didn't even know about it! Jay Jay Jay Jay!!!!! He totally deserves to win. Wendy is out. Austin is out. The competition was always between Jay and Kara - and the wonderful thing is, they have always treated each other with love and respect!!!
lisakaz
February 4, 2005 - 06:32 PM
I don't read that from the article. Kara as "underwhelming" doesn't suggest it.

lk
DeViL44
February 4, 2005 - 06:43 PM
Ok...just for fun...if you guys want to view MY Fashion Design website, you can. But FIRST, please let me explain myself before making any opinions on them.
Im inspired by Cruella De ViL from the LIVE ACTION (not cartoon) film of 101 Dalmatians in 1996 featuring Glenn Close. I wa salso incpired by her wardrobes once again in 2000 when 102 Dalmatians was released. Her wardrobes blew my mind away, and I never pictured awoman wearing such EXOTIC and "larger than life" furs. I mean, I knew fur...but not at that level. She inspired me, and now I want to be a designer. Iv been designing for 3 years now. The designs on my website are the MOST De ViL inspired and feature lots of details and shapes thought out by me. Lots of animal prints, cloaks, and big portions of fur. The sleek dresses are even made out of very sheared furs. However...they are only just a FEW designs. I have over 40 designs, and they are just a very tiny portion of my collection. I hope to put more on there. Also...im going to be making another portfolio featuring more "simple" designs including Street Wear, Ball Wear, Bridal Wear, Swimsuit wear...ect. It's gonna have everything, but in a more simple form as well as maintaining certain details and a style in which you can look at it and KNOW off the back of your head that it was designed by me.

Now..give me you're opinions on this TINY collection of my huge collection. I will get the rest of my stuff up there as soon as I can.

http://house-of-zebra.tk/

OR

http://www.aadoredesigns.com.au/zebra/

There the same website, bit if 1 doesn't work...try the other and it should work. Tell me what you think, and tell me the strength's and weaknesses of each wardrobe, or just the overall wardrobes together...
roses1
February 4, 2005 - 06:46 PM
I didn't read your interpretation in that article. There's a question mark after Jay's name so that indicates to me that it's only the writer's opinion (sorry I forgot to mention that earlier). I loved the 2 coats Austin designed, yet the article trashes one of them, along with the lace Austin used. I liked the combo of the coats and the frills.

I hope to read more articles on the show so I can get a better picture of how things went. I don't think I can wait 2 weeks!

Yahoo Austin!
Gherk
February 4, 2005 - 06:51 PM
Quote:

Ok...just for fun...if you guys want to view MY Fashion Design website, you can. But FIRST, please let me explain myself before making any opinions on them.
Im inspired by Cruella De ViL from the LIVE ACTION (not cartoon) film of 101 Dalmatians in 1996 featuring Glenn Close. I wa salso incpired by her wardrobes once again in 2000 when 102 Dalmatians was released. Her wardrobes blew my mind away, and I never pictured awoman wearing such EXOTIC and "larger than life" furs. I mean, I knew fur...but not at that level. She inspired me, and now I want to be a designer. Iv been designing for 3 years now. The designs on my website are the MOST De ViL inspired and feature lots of details and shapes thought out by me. Lots of animal prints, cloaks, and big portions of fur. The sleek dresses are even made out of very sheared furs. However...they are only just a FEW designs. I have over 40 designs, and they are just a very tiny portion of my collection. I hope to put more on there. Also...im going to be making another portfolio featuring more "simple" designs including Street Wear, Ball Wear, Bridal Wear, Swimsuit wear...ect. It's gonna have everything, but in a more simple form as well as maintaining certain details and a style in which you can look at it and KNOW off the back of your head that it was designed by me.

Now..give me you're opinions on this TINY collection of my huge collection. I will get the rest of my stuff up there as soon as I can.

http://house-of-zebra.tk/

OR

http://www.aadoredesigns.com.au/zebra/

There the same website, bit if 1 doesn't work...try the other and it should work. Tell me what you think, and tell me the strength's and weaknesses of each wardrobe, or just the overall wardrobes together...



Um, isn't using fur very politically incorrect? There's a reason Cruella was named after Satan.
Veronique
February 4, 2005 - 06:54 PM
It could be faux fur, not real. Personally I don't like real fur...but I'm a vegetarian so, hehehe.
DeViL44
February 4, 2005 - 06:54 PM
Thank you commenting...im not going to use real fur. Keep that in mind, I forgot to tell. It's going to be fake. The only time im ever going to use real fur is if 1. The animal is not only used for its pelt, but for other things such as meat...like Cows. And 2. If the animal is EXTREMEMLY populated and needs a little balancing out in population.
Peptic_Ulcer
February 4, 2005 - 07:00 PM
So, are all four in? Have to admit, some of Wendy's designs were alright. Kara's was good, but not blown away. She is so talented, that with time to really create, I'm sure she'll blow us away. Austin's was great and he looked good himself up there. Jay's was great also. So is the surprise elimination, that no one is eliminated? I still believe Kara will take top honors.

Here's another link to photos:

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/fashion/fashionshows/
05/fall/runway/projectrunway/
Veronique
February 4, 2005 - 07:02 PM
Hey, are you planning to go to design school? I'm curious. I always like people who design stuff, like make it real from paper to three dimensional creation. I can't make clothes if my life dependend on it.
Your drawings make it look like you would need massive amounts of materials. They look so big! I can't sew a button...so just looking at them makes me go wow...that must take a lot of dedication to make it real!
Gherk
February 4, 2005 - 07:05 PM
What does suggest it is the overwhelming positive response from the judges. Jay has finally been given his chance to shine, and he blew everyone away. If he doesn't win, something will be utterly wrong - but then again, he has already won in my book, by getting exposed - no one can forget him that easily!!!! Wendy, however . . . who is that?
paillette
February 4, 2005 - 07:09 PM
Quote:

How's the job market look to you? It looks pretty grim to me. I had the experience of seeing a real lame grad student get funding and another get funding because he was "older" (academia speak for married with child). I'm struggling to find an opening for myself.


NON-FASHION RELATED POST, SORRY!

I got my degree in the mid-90s but I had the EXACT same experience. There was a guy in my program with a kid and he had first preference for everything: funding, teaching times, the works!

It's my perception that the job market differs widely by field, I think there still are a lot of positions in East Asian History; Latin America isn't bad; Middle East is gaining momentum due to current events. Americanists and Europeanists (like me) have a lot of competition. Classicists are a slowly dying breed.

Having now been on the other side of search committees, I was surprised to learn how many people out there have significant social disorders. We once brought in a person who was just astonishingly truculent! My advice? Maintain enthusiasm no matter how tired you are and no matter how often you have to repeat yourself to different people. Ask your interviewers questions about themselves (you'd be surprised how few people do this). Work hard on your after-the-talk q & a skills: they count very significantly in our assessments, at least. And remember when you give a presentation that you are likely the only one in the room who knows your period (otherwise, they wouldn't be hiring in your field). Reach for broad historiographical analyses that colleagues in different fields may be able to relate to, even if the culture they study is quite divergent from yours.
Peptic_Ulcer
February 4, 2005 - 07:18 PM
Wendy's the mole
SleepyD
February 4, 2005 - 07:19 PM
Wendy?....Her stuff is just so DULL and uninteresting to me, so matronly, so first lady - Christian Right first lady.

................

I'm not certain which First Lady you are speaking of, Gherk, definitely not the current one as she was there at the event in a very smart, yes conservative, suit. Laura Bush is a Texan girl all the way, born and raised, and among the many if not one thing the influential women of Texas know, is what high fashion and true haute couture is--ever heard of Neiman Marcus. Obviously you haven't been to Wendy Pepper's website. Laura Bush wouldn't be caught in a DNC caucus room wearing one of Wendy Pepper's designs.

I found the Heart Truth-Red Dress Collection interesting. Does anyone know--is this the New York fashion way of addressing the Red Hat Society? As the models were mostly older celebrities/models. If so, I guess they just couldn't go with a red hat, purple dress, and boa collection. But I bet Austin or Jay could pull one together.
jescci
February 4, 2005 - 07:33 PM
The article said the crowd responded most favorably to Jay, but what does that mean? What is the nature of this Olympus Fashion Week crowd? Are they representative of buyers or the buying public? Or a hip, New York, edgey, rock 'n roll type group?

It's probably not the place to discuss here, but while I don't like the idea of fur, I have a BIG problem with anti-fur people. They spend much too much time criticizing the fur industry and not enough criticizing the meat industry. The meat industry kills THOUSANDS times more animals than the fur industry. The protests are WAY out of proportion.

Question: What if any kind of help did the final four get with making their designs for Fashion Week. I can't see them slaving over Parsons School sewing machines making all those clothes themselves.
DeViL44
February 4, 2005 - 07:39 PM
Quote:

Hey, are you planning to go to design school? I'm curious. I always like people who design stuff, like make it real from paper to three dimensional creation. I can't make clothes if my life dependend on it.
Your drawings make it look like you would need massive amounts of materials. They look so big! I can't sew a button...so just looking at them makes me go wow...that must take a lot of dedication to make it real!



Yes, im planning to go to design school soon. Many of my teachers as well as people I know have been so impressed with my designs. I hope to be successful one day. But, if anyone else wants to see some of my work..once again go to:

http://www.aadoredesigns.com.au/zebra/

And tell me what you think of the style and everything else. I would like to hear you're opinions on them.
trixie
February 4, 2005 - 07:40 PM
An interesting little tidbit (Sorry if someone upthread already posted this):

found at http://newyork.craigslist.org/eve/56964138.html

"Kevin Johnn, talented and expressive designer from the Bravo hit series "Project Runway" hosted by Heidi Klum will be featuring his new Fall Collection at a private show to be held on Feb. 8th. Public space is limited but available. If you are interested in viewing the show or bidding on clothing contact Victoria @ info@emusestudio.com. Serious inquiries only!!!! "
knitgirl30
February 4, 2005 - 08:08 PM
This is the link to the Fashion Show photos of the collection from Project Runway from this morning:

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/fashion/fashionshows/
05/fall/runway/projectrunway/

I am confused. According to a Boston Herald article there were four finalists who displayed collections at Fashion Week. The show said it was going to be the top three. So I guess when the show airs next Wed we will find out that the latest "twist" is that Wendy also got to be at Fashion Week instead of being eliminated.

It is easy to spot which fashions are from which designer. This link was almost as good as being there.
ThomsTeddyBear
February 4, 2005 - 08:12 PM
Quote:

An interesting little tidbit (Sorry if someone upthread already posted this):

found at http://newyork.craigslist.org/eve/56964138.html

"Kevin Johnn, talented and expressive designer from the Bravo hit series "Project Runway" hosted by Heidi Klum will be featuring his new Fall Collection at a private show to be held on Feb. 8th. Public space is limited but available. If you are interested in viewing the show or bidding on clothing contact Victoria @ info@emusestudio.com. Serious inquiries only!!!! "



AAUGH! If wish I could go! I'd be there in a heartbeat!
Gherk
February 4, 2005 - 08:21 PM
Quote:

Wendy?....Her stuff is just so DULL and uninteresting to me, so matronly, so first lady - Christian Right first lady.

................

I'm not certain which First Lady you are speaking of, Gherk, definitely not the current one as she was there at the event in a very smart, yes conservative, suit. Laura Bush is a Texan girl all the way, born and raised, and among the many if not one thing the influential women of Texas know, is what high fashion and true haute couture is--ever heard of Neiman Marcus. Obviously you haven't been to Wendy Pepper's website. Laura Bush wouldn't be caught in a DNC caucus room wearing one of Wendy Pepper's designs.

I found the Heart Truth-Red Dress Collection interesting. Does anyone know--is this the New York fashion way of addressing the Red Hat Society? As the models were mostly older celebrities/models. If so, I guess they just couldn't go with a red hat, purple dress, and boa collection. But I bet Austin or Jay could pull one together.



Excuse me, but I've lived in London and Boston, been to New York many times (once to model in fashion show), and Jay is a personal friend of mine, so go screw with your "Neiman Marcus" comment. Give me a break. I don't appreciate your condescension, and yes I have been to Wendy's awful website, I have seen Laura Bush's painful motherly conservative taste (she's going to be responsible for educating black youth and keeping them out of gangs??? I certainly hope Jesus will help us!!!), and I certainly didn't vote for her lying, evil husband, though from the sound of your defense of all things Texas, you probably did.
dumb
February 4, 2005 - 09:03 PM
Okay viewed the metro site pics as a slide show. My thoughts are as follows:



First, where was Kara’s designs…sorry but, Kara’s and Wendy’s designs flowed into one another, looks like she lost her style in the collection

Second, Austin’s collection—not impressed one bit…one word description: drab…the high waist look… umm, seems like I saw that look but better in his portfolio on the bravo’s web site..

JAY JAY JAY…only thing I can say is that his collection was the only one with “a look” and beyond that the only one that looked to be a “fashion collection”…head and shoulders above the rest..

Ps Laura bush and TX…umm no one I’ve ever met or knows for that matter considers her an influential person (ohh yeah…I was born, raised, went to school in TX. and all my family still lives there)
GypsyMoongal
February 4, 2005 - 10:20 PM
I have to say that I am extremely dissappointed. I thought that the show was about talent. In letting Wendy have her show at Fashion week .. they robbed a true designer of the chance to get noticed. I realize that keeping Wendy was a way the producers thought they could keep people interested in the show. It's a shame that they didn't realize that there is a core of people out here that would have preferred to see a show that was truly about the designs and the design process.. and not all the backstabbing jive.
It's equally sad to think that Wendy ( If she is truly as nice a person and as good a designer as some of the posters claim )... would go along with "acting" like a villain.. just to get to fashion week. That speaks volumes of how desperate she must have felt she was.. and how little she thought that her "talents" as a designer would get her. I think people would have had much more respect for her had she gone on the show on her own merit... as a descent person.. even if she had gotten eliminated early in the show. I have much more respect for Starr, Daniel and Mario for being themselves and honestly trying.
KaraFan21
February 4, 2005 - 10:31 PM
Quote:

Quote:

Wendy?....Her stuff is just so DULL and uninteresting to me, so matronly, so first lady - Christian Right first lady.

................

I'm not certain which First Lady you are speaking of, Gherk, definitely not the current one as she was there at the event in a very smart, yes conservative, suit. Laura Bush is a Texan girl all the way, born and raised, and among the many if not one thing the influential women of Texas know, is what high fashion and true haute couture is--ever heard of Neiman Marcus. Obviously you haven't been to Wendy Pepper's website. Laura Bush wouldn't be caught in a DNC caucus room wearing one of Wendy Pepper's designs.

I found the Heart Truth-Red Dress Collection interesting. Does anyone know--is this the New York fashion way of addressing the Red Hat Society? As the models were mostly older celebrities/models. If so, I guess they just couldn't go with a red hat, purple dress, and boa collection. But I bet Austin or Jay could pull one together.



I have no respect for our current first lady for reasons having nothing to do with her dismal fashion sense. She was a pro-choice registered Democrat before she married her husband, but she subjugated her own views to echo those of her husband. She is a HORRIBLE role model for America's young women and I for one don't want to return to the days when women were expected not to have opinions, let alone voice them.

That being said, nothing you say can make Laura Bush's manner of dress any less matronly or dowdy. I don't care where she bought it, a pastel sweater set is a pastel sweater set, sorry. Maybe that's appropriate for her, she is after all, a matron in the literal sense. But please do not insult our intelligence by trying to persuade us that Mrs. Bush is some kind of fashion plate. It is an affront to the memory of a true fashion icon: Jackie Kennedy.
GypsyMoongal
February 4, 2005 - 10:31 PM
BTW--- I absolutely love all the wonderful designs from Jay ( especially JAY ), Austin and KaraSaun. They truly deserve all good things to come their way.
It would have been nice ( hint hint BRAVO )... if we could have seen more designs by the likes of Kevin, Alexandra, Nora, Vanessa ( you were wonderful ), Robert, Starr, Mario and Daniel.
What would it have been like if we had seen a show revolving around all these designers.. and see them all put together their own fashion line.. with their own unique style and flare. To see what goes on behind the scenes.. how they come up with their designs... what inspires them...how they actually made their outfits... and came to make their line. Each show could have focused on a different designer.
I think Bravo still would have had a HIT on their hands without all the bull.
Hmmmmmmmm
Gherk
February 4, 2005 - 11:13 PM
YES!! Thank you KaraFan, you are so right, right, right.
SleepyD
February 4, 2005 - 11:15 PM
I've recently been informed that the Heart Truth-Red Dress Collection was a collection by many of the renowned designers for the awareness of Heart Disease and Women's Health (paraphrased)--Laura Bush ambassador and the purpose why she was at Fashion Week event. I need to read my mail and call home more--which yes, is Texas.

I'm sorry, Gherk, I was not meaning to be condescending in any way or form, and I'm truly sorry you took it that way. My fault and I'm sorry. Such is the curse of trying to communicate over the internet via chat rooms and message boards! I was only stating Neiman Marcus in that the company founded and based in Dallas, TX has always been "a" forerunner in the acknowledgement, showcase, and clientele gallery for many, if not all, the top fashion designers since the early 1900's. I too, have been to London, New York, Boston, etc., but I'm not sure what that would have to do with Neiman Marcus. And, FYI, you would be surprised at the kind of friends Laura Bush has, mostly democrat, mostly liberal, and how much of her viewpoints actually differ from her husband's. Just, please don't try to put her in one of Wendy Pepper's designs! Oh, and tell Jay that I too admire his designs--he is a very refreshing breath of fresh air and has true talent, fashion instinct, and genius, and he should never, ever doubt that as what was depicted from him many times on PR.

...And, (dumb) if you are Texan, you should know that influence in Texas is always understated, very gracefully and traditionally--the art of being influential is to never let people know you are the one with it or doing it.
lisakaz
February 4, 2005 - 11:27 PM
Good point. I totally agree. Someone said cnn reports only 3 names of finalists. I just saw Yahoo captions and they listed all 4 people. I regret that people with more talent than Cruella were bypassed to give her a platform. Her designs were BORING, if not pedestrian.

I thought both Jay's and Austin's showed style. I always liked high waists, though, since I have one. Kara's was okay but not splashy enough. I hope the cream rises to the top...eventually.

lk
SleepyD
February 4, 2005 - 11:51 PM
That being said, nothing you say can make Laura Bush's manner of dress any less matronly or dowdy. I don't care where she bought it, a pastel sweater set is a pastel sweater set, sorry. Maybe that's appropriate for her, she is after all, a matron in the literal sense. But please do not insult our intelligence by trying to persuade us that Mrs. Bush is some kind of fashion plate. It is an affront to the memory of a true fashion icon: Jackie Kennedy.

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I was not trying or attempting to say or even suggest Mrs. Bush as being a fashion icon...I don't believe she even cares to be thought of in that light as Jackie Kennedy did and was so able to do with true dignity, style and grace.

Not everyone can wear couture whether due to their body's build or it is just not in their personality to do so, but that doesn't mean they don't recognize and appreciate the excellence and artistry of true haute couture!

All I was stating is that Wendy Pepper's designs would not even measure up to matronly [whatever], and that even a person with the fashion sense of Laura Bush would never be caught wearing one of her designs [period]
rufusblue
February 4, 2005 - 11:56 PM
Hmmm I just identified three collections...Austin's, Kara's and the strongest one...Jays. I didn't see anything Wendyesque.
Morgasmo
February 5, 2005 - 12:05 AM
" It's a shame that they didn't realize that there is a core of people out here that would have preferred to see a show that was truly about the designs and the design process.. and not all the backstabbing jive."

You guys are being silly...it IS a reality show. It's not Fashion with Elsa Klensch (sic). If you read most of the articles on magazines like Entertainment Weekly, and websites like Salon.com, one of the "selling" points is the presence of Wendy. I know plenty of people who watch it for the drama as much as the clothes. The "core" you refer to seems to be the 100 or so folks that post in these boards that just want to have a sewing show that you can sit down and sip some chamomille tea while watching. Trust me, Bravo knows what they're doing and they're getting the ratings to show for it.

Mind you, I don't think much of Wendy as a designer but you guys are taking this so personally, it makes me laugh. I bet most of you ain't even buying any of their [censored] when it comes out.

Regarding the designers, I actually much rather have Wendy's straight-to-the-JC Penneys-rack stuff in the final 3 than Austin Scarlett's over-the-top clownish crap. And from the runway show it looks like Jay (my favorite all along) was the true standout. The one designer I would liked to see in the top three was Nora (along with Kara and Jay) but I think she was just too young and naive.
goddessamelia
February 5, 2005 - 12:47 AM
May we all have a moment of silence for the kicking out of Robert.






Thank you! Now I love Robert but I knew he wasnt going to make it to the final 3 but I was hoping he would last to the final 4, but no they didnt kick Wendy out yet! Lets just hope and pray that she gets booted out next. Im hoping, hoping, hoping!
Loomchick
February 5, 2005 - 01:14 AM
Surprise elimination??? How about Nina? I'm so tired of her arrogance and bitterness . . . I can't imagine what it would be like to work with her . . . Aw well, I can dream, can't I?

I'm with many of you . . . next week's "technical support" will be some/all of the designers eliminated during earlier episodes.
Chinchilla3
February 5, 2005 - 01:33 AM
Hey guys! There's another little blurb about Project Runway and Fashion Week on the CNN website!

POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT:
There is one picture from Kara's collection, two from Wendy's collection, and two from Jay's: none from Austin's. I'm like, confused now.

P.S. I need to get out more. I have become completely infatuated with this show!
jules
February 5, 2005 - 03:24 AM
THIS IS A MAJOR SPOILER!!!!! This link goes to an article in a newspaper about the Project Runway. http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/liv...ng/10821128.htm
You have to sign up to get the news, but it's free.
BoyzMom
February 5, 2005 - 05:39 AM
You guys are being silly...it IS a reality show. It's not Fashion with Elsa Klensch (sic). If you read most of the articles on magazines like Entertainment Weekly, and websites like Salon.com, one of the "selling" points is the presence of Wendy. I know plenty of people who watch it for the drama as much as the clothes. The "core" you refer to seems to be the 100 or so folks that post in these boards that just want to have a sewing show that you can sit down and sip some chamomille tea while watching. Trust me, Bravo knows what they're doing and they're getting the ratings to show for it.





Although I've only drank chamomile tea once in my life, I'm one of those who would like to see the show focus more on the creativity and skill of the designers. After all, Heidi Klum and the people at Bravo actually marketed this show as a 'documentary' of what it takes in the fashion industry so the 'villain' stuff just came off as, frankly, really stupid. Not only that but some very talented people, MORE talented people, were eliminated from the show to stage this 'drama' and let's face it, it wasn't like Emmy-winning drama, it was dumb. I've said it before and I'll say it again - as a mom in my mid-thirties, I would have whole-heartedly rooted for Wendy - she's doing something that would be like a dream for me since I was a would-be designer at one time (in my youth and before husband and kids!). But they made her look (and I guess she made herself look) just. . .bad. Not entertainingly bad to me. Just bad.

And BTW, everyone has a right to their opinion and what they think the show should be and could be. And one more thing. . .read the disclaimer at the end of the show. This ain't no "reality show".
nabakov5
February 5, 2005 - 06:42 AM
wwwaaaaaaaahhhhhh....i wish i could be there too....precious Kevin...good luck...i know you will rock that audience in their boots!....just so noone forgets, Kevin should STILL BE ON THE SHOW!!!!!!!
trixie
February 5, 2005 - 07:47 AM
Here's an article from the subscription fashion news site Fashion Wire Daily:

url: http://www.fashionwiredaily.com/articles/a...382&cookie=true

"Project Runway: The Final Four
By Lauren David Peden
February 04, 2005 @ 6:39 PM - New York

Lights, camera, action! In the case of the Project Runway show this morning, that was quite literally the way the Bravo event kicked off, as it was being taped for the series' final episode, in addition to acting as a fashion world introduction for the four designers who made it to the tents. Kara Saun, Jay McCarroll, Austin Scarlett and Wendy Pepper were all represented (three of them actual finalists, a fourth acting as a "ringer" to throw the press off the scent and keep the surprise intact for the big finale). That said, this was a hit-or-miss affair, fashion-wise, whose outcome seems pretty apparent, whether you've been watching the series at home or were sitting in the audience at Bryant Park.

The Queer Eye guys were on hand to lend support to their Bravo compatriots, as was designer Marc Bouwer and GenArt's Mary Gehlhar. Ousted contestants Nora, Alexandra, Robert, Starr and Daniel were seated front and center and, save for Nora (who is rooting for her buddy Jay), all the other PR peeps told FWD they put their money on Kara Saun. Kevin was — scandal! — a no-show, leaving an unoccupied seat next to celebrity guest judge Parker Posey, who was rocking a crazy-haired Katherine Hepburn-goes-to-Haight-Ashbury look.

We have to agree with their assessment: Saun's 12-piece "Fantasy Fly-Girl" collection was a standout from start to finish. That girl can deliver the goods. From the opening look: a fuschia cracked patent leather aviator jacket with rust chinchilla trim and wearable jodhpurs (which drew rousing applause), through a series of beautifully-cut silk-satin day and evening dresses in shades of chocolate, lime green and white — all with cutaway back detail and short sleeves — to pearlized quilted leather coats and cocktail dresses that were a marvel of construction and engineering, there wasn't a dud in the bunch.

Yves St. L'Austin's collection was a paean to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but in typical Scarlett fashion, he took it a tad too far. Things started off promisingly enough, with a to-die-for scalloped buckskin trench with leather belt and collar shown with a lacy blouse followed by a wonderfully fitted and flared tweed day dress with matching bolero (cut like a bustier to showcase another jabot blouse). But he quickly descended into the land of clichés (aka, Colonial Williamsburg), with a tiny blue velveteen spencer jacket worn with matching spats and three-point hat — do modern women really long to look like Paul Revere? — and elaborately flouncy or tulle-overlayed evening gowns that just seemed to be trying a little too hard to hew to the founding father's theme. The models' beribboned George Washington ponytails only served to heighten the cloy factor. One red quilted dress was just the thing for burning down Tara, while the final Liberty dress of gold organza and tulle was just (forgive us) tulle much.

A newly-brunette, moderately made-up Wendy Pepper came next (Finally! Those L'Oreal hair and makeup people must have staged an intervention). The woman Formerly Known as Cruella De Pepper showed a relatively uninspired, lackluster collection of dresses and evening gowns that seem defiantly aimed at Middle America, not Seventh Avenue (Pttthh! Take that, Michael Kors!) — save for one lovely fur-trimmed iridescent green velvet suit with unexpected beading on the back and a quilted orange pantsuit whose proportions were just right.

Jay McCarroll closed the show and delivered a defiantly downtown color-coordinated collection (each look was a specific hue) titled "Stereotype." He offered a dozen, mostly multilayered, street-smart looks, beginning with a gold quilted wrap (Chicest. Sleeping bag. Ever.) shown with a turtleneck and sequined appliquéd skirt followed by a shrunken turquoise cardigan with a huge shawl collar (who needs a scarf?), leather mini, hombre leggings and obi-inspired belt. The next look centered around an artfully tattered wrap skirt over punky deconstructed jeans (we want!) and after more appliquéd skirts, hand-knit scarves, crocheted capelets (noooooo!), leggings and big boots — all organized around a color, with each model sporting Cinnabon-sized plastic headphones that matched her ensemble — he concluded with a floor-length pink shredded skirt that resembled a sea of feathers and segued from fuschia to aubergine to chocolate as it moved from waist to ankle.

We'll have to wait until Project Runway's final episode airs on January 23rd to see who the winner really is. But if the expression on judges Michael Kors, Nina Garcia, Heidi Klum and Parker's faces during this show is any indication, Kara Saun will soon be crowned Project Runway's queen (sorry, Austin)."

I still say my man Jay has it.
birdaileen
February 5, 2005 - 08:06 AM
quote: Kara Saun, Jay McCarroll, Austin Scarlett and Wendy Pepper were all represented (three of them actual finalists, a fourth acting as a "ringer" to throw the press off the scent and keep the surprise intact for the big finale).

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLEARING THIS UP!!! I was so irritated that they had apparently backed down and let all four be finalists. Im sad i had to see Wendy Pepper outfits on the style sites, but now I can at least hope against hope that she was only a decoy.
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