Mrs_P
February 5, 2005 - 09:09 PM
I REALLY think that Kara Saun has it in the bag. She's such a talented designer. If she won, I think she'd make a huge impact on the fashion world today. There aren't a lot of African-American female designers who are actually credible and respected. She represents part of me; not only because I'm female but I'm African-American (and Native American). She's a standout designer! Now my other favorite, the always fabulous, Rob! That is one FANTASTIC man, if I do say so myself. He may have schmoozed his way to the top 5 (which I don't believe!) but he's hot!
Loomchick
February 5, 2005 - 09:23 PM
If I was a betting person, I would lay money down on Kara (at least today) winning Project Runway . . . I also hope she's the one that wins . . . it seems like it would be a better fit than it would be for Jay or Austin . . . If Jay and Austin don't win PR, they're going to do just fine . . . they've had so much exposure and they appeal to two very different audiences . . . and I think working at BR would stifle their creativity and possibly even frustrate them.
It would be interesting to line up the supporters here for Jay and Austin and see if there's a trend as to body type . . . I have a 1950's type figure . . . Is that why I prefer Austin's designs? It's easier for me to picture them on me and look flattering . . . however, if I was shaped more like Julia (tall and thin . . . with few curves), would I prefer Jay's designs more?
I like Kara's designs . . . although, I usually find myself wanting to be a bit more covered up and more modest necklines.
Gherk
February 5, 2005 - 10:28 PM
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Kara seems to be the best one here, then a tie between Wendy and Jay in my opinion.
I think the reason why lots of people think jay is a lot better than Wendy is because they both do a completetly different style of fashion that you can't even compare the two. Jay's look is a lot different. He does a lot of colorful, disverse designs. I can't really explain his style, but it's really different from the other three and he works with a lot of textile designs on the coats and lots of accessories and lots of his outfits usually "cover up" the whole body up to the neck. He uses large portions of fabric.Even his swimsuit on PR had belts or straps which covered up the stomach area and so on.
Wendy's designs are more "correct" and casual than Jay's. Just because her designs aren't as "couture" and "over the top" as Jay's doesn't mean she's a worser and more boring designer. She has her own style too and I think her and Jay are both very talented. Wendy designs a LOT of sophisticated dresses and gowns for a woman going to a ball, or a party, or a dance. I think there all unique and they express a lot of disversity and what you can do to dresses and formal-wear. Her outfits all look as though they can be worn by ANYONE as long as you are slender enough. I really liked Wend's designs, and yes I thought they looked sooo much better than the designs she did on PR.
I'm sorry, but I can't believe you would even BEGIN to put Jay and Wendy in the same category - you're right that they don't belong in the same category - I'm saying you can't even compare them. You can't do it not just because of style differences, but quality and creativity!
Also, there is no such word as "worser."
The obvious and glaring fact is that Wendy is NOT EVEN IN THE SAME LEAGUE as Jay. She has nothing on him. No creativity. No vision. No sense of color or style. Jay is an artist, Wendy done made some pretty dresses. Whoopdee f******* do. If you look closely at his craft, it is out of this world - the stitching alone is magnificent, not to mention every single detail and punctuation mark considered tastefully and artfully. His work holds together as a collection, he got the best response from people who know what fashion is all about - I see him in the same league as Issy Miyaki - someone with true individuality and vision, a real sculptor, a true artist. Wendy's work is so blah and boring, so forgettable, so uninteresting - but then, you seem to think that this is just about wearability. I don't know where you live, but I can tell you that Jay's clothes will sell like hotcakes in cities like NYC, Boston, L.A., London, Madrid, Paris - where people are interested in streetwear and formal wear with personality and style and aren't afraid to wear it. I mean, come on - who do you think Nicole Kidman or Gwyneth Paltrow would rather wear - Wendy Pepperhead or Jay? Even Cruella Devil would probably commission something from Jay first.
I will agree that her final stuff looked a lot better and that I was surprised to see some of the pieces actually looked so nice, and that her PR work looked pretty sloppy and unfinished the whole time, apart from her BR dress - I swear the only reason they kept her is because of that win, which sucks big time. Also, she showed a major lack of versatility, an inability to work with others, and she seems completely out of touch with 'now.' Jay pleasantly surprised me every week, with not only his process and creations, but how well he got along with the others on the show. Having lived with him before and seen him change over the years, it was so wonderful and inspiring to see him - I wish I could say I was inspired by Wendy in a good way, but I consider her to be a good example of a bad example. I feel pity for her, and I know she struggled with the show, but come on - she put herself where she was as far as her alienation and negativity.
I guess the artist in me is horrified at the thought that Wendy and Jay are even in the same sentence, not to mention on the same runway.
dumb
February 5, 2005 - 11:14 PM
I don’t know if it has been said and feel the need to say this…the term couture does not mean over the top or fantasy..it is just a reference to the truest part of design. It is a reference to hand crafted from sewing to fabrication. There are absolute guide lines to be considered true couture…as such there is no such thing as an American couture designer.. to show couture you have to have a workroom in Paris, where you employ a certain number of staff, you have to apply and you have to have a min number of garments and show 2x a yr..and a lot more crit.
Many Americans use the term couture, in reference to tailored made garment but they are in no way couture…the fact is only about 2,000 people world wide can afford couture and if a couture designer sells maybe 10 pieces of the collection..it’s considered a huge success…I love pr, but let’s not for one instance muddy the dying art of couture by comparing pr contestants to real couture designers..
corprip
February 5, 2005 - 11:25 PM
Attention Queer Eye fans! Carson Kressley quote.
Article:
'Project Runway' takes off at New York Fashion Week
By Samantha Critchell
ASSOCIATED PRESS
9:51 a.m. February 5, 2005
NEW YORK – The four finalists on Bravo's fashion reality show, "Project Runway," staged presentations on the same catwalk used by Richard Tyler and Joseph Abboud during New York Fashion Week.
But before the first model stepped onto the runway Friday, supermodel-host Heidi Klum explained that only three of the four aspiring designers would be seen when the show's finale airs Feb. 23.
Klum didn't want the media to be the spoiler for next week's episode, during which one of the four – Jay McCarroll, Wendy Pepper, Austin Scarlett and Kara Saun – will be sent packing. "Project Runway" airs on Wednesday nights.
McCarroll's "stereotype" collection, which featured models wearing headphones dyed to match their outfits, seemed to be the favorite of fashion fans in the audience.
The flamboyant 29-year-old from Lehman, Pa., showed a gold quilted wrap with a gold sequined skirt with a patchwork applique and a turquoise cardigan with an oversized collar, a wood bead chestpiece, an obi belt and a miniskirt paired with leggings.
"I hate to pick favorites, but Jay's collection was far and away the best," said Carson Kressley, the fashion expert on "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy." "A fashion show is all about point of view. ... His show told a story."
Pepper, 39, from Middleburg, Va., explained that her collection was inspired by the annual rite of the harvest. Her looks included a brown cashmere cocktail dress with lace trim and a green charmeuse evening dress with darker green feathers at the bust.
When it was Scarlett's turn, models strutted to a jazzed-up version of "Yankee Doodle Dandy" in Americana clothes, such as a tweed day dress with fringe and buttons, a matching bolero jacket and ruffled front blouse.
The 23-year-old from Eugene, Ore., said the clothes were made with a patriotic theme: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
Saun, 37, who describes her hometown as "the world," created a collection that embraces the things she loves most: luxury, sexiness, strength and passion.
Her designs included a fuchsia cracked patent leather aviator jacket with rust chinchilla trim and a white double-silk gown with a plunging V front, a jeweled buckle and fox fur wrap.
The winner of "Project Runway" will receive $100,000 in seed money to help launch his or her own fashion line and a mentorship from the Banana Republic design team, according to the show's Web site.
Fashion Week opened Friday and continues through Feb. 11.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/feature...jectrunway.html
PaleFire76
February 6, 2005 - 12:14 AM
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If I was a betting person, I would lay money down on Kara (at least today) winning Project Runway . . . I also hope she's the one that wins .
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It would be interesting to line up the supporters here for Jay and Austin and see if there's a trend as to body type .
While I definitely appreciate Jay's designs, I am a more ardent Austin fan and prefer his work. However, my body type (skinny, Olive Oyl figure) seems to fit Jay's stuff better. Definitely wish I more curves though, which I think would work well in accentuating Austin's designs (especially his BR dress and Esther Williams-inspired swimsuit).
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Sadly, I'm afraid our beloved Austin may have been the decoy for NY Fashion week. (Very lame, Bravo.) I hope this isn't true. I'm only basing my hunch on the fact that I recalled seeing Austin's crimson, quilted gown on the internet in late December. Would they allow a Fashion Week finalist to show a photo of their design on the net? I think a lot of Austin's NY Fashion Week stuff is from his old portfolio. I could be completely wrong though.
Plus, it's telling that in the Wireimage and Gettysimages of the four PR designers, Austin is hardly smiling as broadly as the other 3, especially the undeserving Wendy Pepper.
jmfitz619
February 6, 2005 - 01:02 AM
As Alice used on "The Honeymooners", thanks, Trixe.
Now, as for Fashion Week. Look at it this way, everyone. At least the three strongest designers got to make their debut, and I think we can all agree, win or lose, they're all set. As for Wendy, well, look at the past 200+ pagers. I think we've said it all. Now as for the statement about one of the contestants being a "ringer" to throw off the press. I don't know if this has been suggested before, but what about KaraSaun? It hit me reading past pages, and remembering how she helped almost everyone in some way (Expensive Lace, the top for Jay's R&R outfit - That had her name all over it- taking charge at the collection meeting, coming across as the voice of reason repeatedly, and just consistenbtly great work), perhaps she is "the mole", as someone once said. She could have possibly been in the competition to set the bar for high standards and a barometer for the judges to work of off. Furthermore, didn't she once say that she designed for a lot of celebrities? Possible?
jmfitz619
February 6, 2005 - 01:13 AM
Jay's designs are like sushi: refined, a little techno, interesting combinations rolled together, emphasis on color, carefully contained silhouettes and refined presentation.
Austin is like baked alaska: a bit of frothy meringue, sort of retro, but technically difficult to pull off.
Kara a like a grilled protein entree (choose meat, fish, or veggie according to your preference): lean, smoky, warm and full of subtle, earthy flavor.
Wendy is the mashed potatoes of the fashion world: bland, a good filler, ubiquitous.
Waiter! I'd like to order a surf & turf, but please hold the potatoes so I can save room for the Baked alaska!
Huggycub35
February 6, 2005 - 02:39 AM
I think Jay wins the fashion week competition. I think he finally got to let loose and the judges liked him.
BoyzMom
February 6, 2005 - 05:08 AM
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I don’t know if it has been said and feel the need to say this…the term couture does not mean over the top or fantasy..it is just a reference to the truest part of design. It is a reference to hand crafted from sewing to fabrication. There are absolute guide lines to be considered true couture…as such there is no such thing as an American couture designer.. to show couture you have to have a workroom in Paris, where you employ a certain number of staff, you have to apply and you have to have a min number of garments and show 2x a yr..and a lot more crit.
Many Americans use the term couture, in reference to tailored made garment but they are in no way couture…the fact is only about 2,000 people world wide can afford couture and if a couture designer sells maybe 10 pieces of the collection..it’s considered a huge success…I love pr, but let’s not for one instance muddy the dying art of couture by comparing pr contestants to real couture designers..
You're correct that there are few American couturiers but the definition of couture is high-fashion, custom designed (ie not mass-produced like everything else and certainly not like BR), high-quality constructed garments. If you asked me to take each designer and place him/her into their more natural 'genre', I would place almost everyone in a ready-to-wear category and I would place Austin's work (especially during the show) into a European / couture category. That wedding dress could have been designed by a 23 year old Jean Paul Gaultier before he had years of experience in the business. Speaking of Gaultier, there are a couple of Kara Saun pieces and a couple of Jay pieces that could have fit right in to his most recent couture collection.
Let's face it, these designers are now a little like athletes. If you see someone who is young or getting exposure for the first time, you start comparing them to others who have come before them. (Like LeBron James is the next Michael Jordan, etc.) We all get really offended when some newcomer is compared to an established athlete/designer/insert comparison here but it gives us a reference point.
As for the debate about figure types and designers, I lean towards Jay's clothes because I love layers, my body ain't what it used to be after 3 kiddies and I also love the textures and colors in his work. Very hip and it's easy to see why the New York crowd loved it. Austin's work is mostly just too attention-getting for me although I think he's extremely talented and I like a lot of it - on a runway but not on me. Kara Saun's style is gorgeous but way more sexy than anything I'd ever have occasion to wear. (Sad, I know.) I saw a couple of Wendy's items that I really liked - but nothing sheer, the orange pantsuit looked FANTASTIC I thought. I guess formalwear is her niche and like I said, I don't have many occasions for formal wear.
At first I thought the photos and stuff from Fashion Week would ruin the suspense but I find myself excited to see the next episode. I need to get a life
sarahcatherine
February 6, 2005 - 05:46 AM
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Why don't you leave liquids near your computer? Because the liquid might spill and ruin the computer. Why do you cover your floors and furniture when you paint your walls? Because paint might drip onto the floor and furniture.
Most prudent people do not keep prized possession near a work station! Why? Because the chances of it getting damaged are pretty good.
It's not like someone drew a mustache on the little girl or put devil's ears on her head. It looked a mark that I've gotten on my hands, clothes, important papers, books, magazines, etc.; in other words, anything that may come into contact with a pen.
Last year I had some unknown substance drip onto a couple of photographs that I had laying out on my counter and they got ruined. I didn't accuse anyone of sabotaging me.
Actually, someone *did* draw a mustache on the little girl, it's very evident that this was a deliberate marking, not a random "oops" moment. Jay even comments that it's an intentional marking when he's looking at it. I don't think Wendy would have had *quite* the emotional earthquake if someone had accidentally spilled something on the photograph, but that isn't what happened.
It was her personal workspace, the picture was clearly a motivational tool (and hey, have you ever been separated from your kid for long periods of time? It's rough, and no wonder she wanted to keep pictures of her little girl around her) and it was completely appropriate to expect that her picture would be safe from deliberate attempts to ruin it.
To play devil's advocate, though, and this is in no way trying to excuse someone defacing her picture...Wendy seems shocked that the gameplay, the competition itself has turned so nasty, so underhanded, when *she* is the one who really created that atmosphere. Maybe if she hadn't exploited her role as "mother hen" to attack her competitors, her motherhood wouldn't have ended up under attack itself.
jescci
February 6, 2005 - 06:07 AM
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Sadly, I'm afraid our beloved Austin may have been the decoy for NY Fashion week ... I'm only basing my hunch on the fact that I recalled seeing Austin's crimson, quilted gown on the internet in late December. Would they allow a Fashion Week finalist to show a photo of their design on the net? I think a lot of Austin's NY Fashion Week stuff is from his old portfolio.
Noticed that photo myself and thought, "WTF? Do they allow old stuff to be displayed at Fashion Week?"
Now that we know (or think we know) there's a decoy, your theory (which is yours and belongs to you) makes perfect sense.
Bye Austin. Nice knowing you.
Somuchforthat
February 6, 2005 - 07:34 AM
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To play devil's advocate, though, and this is in no way trying to excuse someone defacing her picture...Wendy seems shocked that the gameplay, the competition itself has turned so nasty, so underhanded, when *she* is the one who really created that atmosphere. Maybe if she hadn't exploited her role as "mother hen" to attack her competitors, her motherhood wouldn't have ended up under attack itself.
Very astute,sarahcatherine. Welcome to the dialog!
DeViL44
February 6, 2005 - 08:13 AM
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I don’t know if it has been said and feel the need to say this…the term couture does not mean over the top or fantasy..it is just a reference to the truest part of design. It is a reference to hand crafted from sewing to fabrication. There are absolute guide lines to be considered true couture…as such there is no such thing as an American couture designer.. to show couture you have to have a workroom in Paris, where you employ a certain number of staff, you have to apply and you have to have a min number of garments and show 2x a yr..and a lot more crit.
Many Americans use the term couture, in reference to tailored made garment but they are in no way couture…the fact is only about 2,000 people world wide can afford couture and if a couture designer sells maybe 10 pieces of the collection..it’s considered a huge success…I love pr, but let’s not for one instance muddy the dying art of couture by comparing pr contestants to real couture designers..
You're correct that there are few American couturiers but the definition of couture is high-fashion, custom designed (ie not mass-produced like everything else and certainly not like BR), high-quality constructed garments. If you asked me to take each designer and place him/her into their more natural 'genre', I would place almost everyone in a ready-to-wear category and I would place Austin's work (especially during the show) into a European / couture category. That wedding dress could have been designed by a 23 year old Jean Paul Gaultier before he had years of experience in the business. Speaking of Gaultier, there are a couple of Kara Saun pieces and a couple of Jay pieces that could have fit right in to his most recent couture collection.
Let's face it, these designers are now a little like athletes. If you see someone who is young or getting exposure for the first time, you start comparing them to others who have come before them. (Like LeBron James is the next Michael Jordan, etc.) We all get really offended when some newcomer is compared to an established athlete/designer/insert comparison here but it gives us a reference point.
As for the debate about figure types and designers, I lean towards Jay's clothes because I love layers, my body ain't what it used to be after 3 kiddies and I also love the textures and colors in his work. Very hip and it's easy to see why the New York crowd loved it. Austin's work is mostly just too attention-getting for me although I think he's extremely talented and I like a lot of it - on a runway but not on me. Kara Saun's style is gorgeous but way more sexy than anything I'd ever have occasion to wear. (Sad, I know.) I saw a couple of Wendy's items that I really liked - but nothing sheer, the orange pantsuit looked FANTASTIC I thought. I guess formalwear is her niche and like I said, I don't have many occasions for formal wear.
At first I thought the photos and stuff from Fashion Week would ruin the suspense but I find myself excited to see the next episode. I need to get a life
Yes, you are correct. I knew I was right when I said Couture basically means "high fashion" and custom made peices. I should know because a woman is teaching me how to sew, and she's like...related to me not by blood, but I cant explain, lol. She's been sewing for 40 years and has been altering and designing clothing even for the music industry such as Drew Barrymore's mother, and Britney Spears. Of course I may sound like im leing, but her name is "Purma" which is russian, and she KNOWS Huate Couture. She even sews Couture. As I was saying before, Austin DOES do Couture clothing...but he executes it so poorly. I think he should practice with the basics and the accessories of casual clothing before he steps up to couture again. He needs practice cuz some of his designs look so out of place. Especially that red dress I saw of his. All the "baroque" influences with the masculine suits woman wore with the little ruffles coming down the neck didn't look so fashionable. His influences look out of place, and I think either Kara, Wendy...or Jay will win.
Im also a bit curious on what Jay's "spring" designs would look like. All his designs look like winter designs to me, but thats ok, I like winter the best. Kara's looks awesome too.
nycgal
February 6, 2005 - 08:28 AM
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Sadly, I'm afraid our beloved Austin may have been the decoy for NY Fashion week ...
Impossible. Austin's lavender dress for the Grammy awards looks like a winner unless PR uses a twist that maybe the best design does not go through.
As I reviewed the preview tape of this week's Grammy dresses and looked at Wendy's orange fluff mini, I started to sing a Tom Jone's song..."What's New Pussycat? Woe o Woe o" The dress is so retro sixties which is ok, but I may start to sing a Petulia Clark song now.
knitgirl30
February 6, 2005 - 09:14 AM
From this linK:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/feature...jectrunway.htmlNEW YORK – The four finalists on Bravo's fashion reality show, "Project Runway," staged presentations on the same catwalk used by Richard Tyler and Joseph Abboud during New York Fashion Week.
But before the first model stepped onto the runway Friday, supermodel-host Heidi Klum explained that only three of the four aspiring designers would be seen when the show's finale airs Feb. 23.
Klum didn't want the media to be the spoiler for next week's episode, during which one of the four – Jay McCarroll, Wendy Pepper, Austin Scarlett and Kara Saun – will be sent packing. "Project Runway" airs on Wednesday nights.
McCarroll's "stereotype" collection, which featured models wearing headphones dyed to match their outfits, seemed to be the favorite of fashion fans in the audience.
The flamboyant 29-year-old from Lehman, Pa., showed a gold quilted wrap with a gold sequined skirt with a patchwork applique and a turquoise cardigan with an oversized collar, a wood bead chestpiece, an obi belt and a miniskirt paired with leggings.
"I hate to pick favorites, but Jay's collection was far and away the best," said Carson Kressley, the fashion expert on "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy." "A fashion show is all about point of view. ... His show told a story."
Pepper, 39, from Middleburg, Va., explained that her collection was inspired by the annual rite of the harvest. Her looks included a brown cashmere cocktail dress with lace trim and a green charmeuse evening dress with darker green feathers at the bust.
When it was Scarlett's turn, models strutted to a jazzed-up version of "Yankee Doodle Dandy" in Americana clothes, such as a tweed day dress with fringe and buttons, a matching bolero jacket and ruffled front blouse.
The 23-year-old from Eugene, Ore., said the clothes were made with a patriotic theme: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
Saun, 37, who describes her hometown as "the world," created a collection that embraces the things she loves most: luxury, sexiness, strength and passion.
Her designs included a fuchsia cracked patent leather aviator jacket with rust chinchilla trim and a white double-silk gown with a plunging V front, a jeweled buckle and fox fur wrap.
The winner of "Project Runway" will receive $100,000 in seed money to help launch his or her own fashion line and a mentorship from the Banana Republic design team, according to the show's Web site.
knitgirl30
February 6, 2005 - 09:22 AM
An article from the very observant Charlotte Observer noted Wendy had a zipper hanging loose on one of the dresses at Fashion Week:
Designer slips in 'Project Runway'
CRYSTAL DEMPSEY
Style Editor
Slide shows: Kenneth Cole | Red Dress | Project Runway
NEW YORK - Designers going thread to thread, women in red (including first lady Laura Bush) and a uniform overhaul grabbed the spotlights Friday as Olympus Fashion Week kicked off.
More than 70 designers and major companies will preview clothes and beauty products for fall and winter during this biannual event. Most shows are in an elaborate tent structure in New York's Bryant Park. And I'll be here to bring it all home to you.
Never assume
Going into the "Project Runway" fashion show Friday morning, I was sure that designer Kara Saun had the win sewn up because of her consistently striking work and steady demeanor.But now I'm hedging my bet.
Saun and the other finalists had to create collections as the last challenge of Bravo's critically acclaimed reality show, hosted by model Heidi Klum. The finale airs at 9 p.m. Feb. 23 on Channel 37 on Time Warner Cable Charlotte.
The audience saw work by Saun, Jay McCarroll, Austin Scarlett and Wendy Pepper. Next week, it will be down to the final three, out of 12 originally. My guess, based on his less-than-usually-glam appearance, is that Scarlett gets the boot Wednesday.
Charlotte attorney/designer Starr Ilzhoefer and other former contestants also were betting on Saun. They sat on the front row next to the judges: Klum, designer Michael Kors, Elle fashion director Nina Garcia and actress Parker Posey, who was wearing huge Jackie O shades. (I scored a front row across from them.)
The winner receives $100,000 to launch a line, a mentorship with Banana Republic and a photo shoot for Elle magazine.
Each designer spoke briefly before the models came out. Saun talked about wanting to create clothing that would make a woman so sexy that it would suck air out of the room. Scarlett babbled about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Pepper pointed out that she's a mom from Virginia. And McCarroll said he preferred to let the clothing speak for itself.
Saun drew inspiration from "The Aviator," the Oscar-nominated Howard Hughes biopic, for retro yet futuristic dresses and suits in what she called her "Fantasy Fly-Girl" collection. The exquisite clothes were red-carpet sexy but not something I could see real folks wearing.
It looked like Saun's game until models hit the runway in McCarroll's funky, wearable and beautifully detailed "Stereotype" collection.
While McCarroll rocked and Saun soared, Pepper and Scarlett's efforts drew puzzled reactions. "What the heck?" exclaimed someone behind me when she saw Scarlett's lacy, scalloped confections.
Pepper's equestrian-inspired collection was more sophisticated but some pieces didn't look quite finished. A zipper dangled in the rear slit of a gorgeous tulle skirt.
"I thought Kara Saun would win," said Ilzhoefer after the show. "But now I think it will be Jay. (His collection) was everything I thought it would be and more."
ethos
February 6, 2005 - 09:33 AM
If Wendy makes it to Fashion Week I will be sick. I hate the way she attacks people. From day one she was scheming. She has to go I am sick of her,,sick of her!
ethos
February 6, 2005 - 10:16 AM
Wendy shouldn't be there. She has the wrong attitude. That post office uniform was horrible! I hate her hair and her make up---Oh my God!
paillette
February 6, 2005 - 10:18 AM
Actually, I think the original post about the meaning of the word "couture" was correct, at least in the strict sense of the word. As I understand it, there are only a handful of actually licensed "couture" houses that are legally entitled to use the word. Jean Paul Gaultier's house, for instance, actually is NOT couture. However, the distinction can be fairly meaningless, as there are non-couture houses that, like JPG's, produce products of a quality that's pretty indistinguishable from "real" couture. It's sort of like buying Champagne from the Champagne region (the only sparkly that legally can bear the name "champagne") versus buying something that uses the "methode champagnoise." I believe the couture/non-couture distinction is taken quite seriously in Europe, but usage is looser here in the US.
Couture and it's near-quality cousins produce small quantities of high-end clothing that is very intensively designed, from the fabric on up. It's available in expensive stores and boutiques in standard sizes. By contrast, Haute Couture, as I understand it, is almost always entirely hand-sewn, with perfect little stitches, to the precise individual measurements of a fabulously wealthy clientele.
ethos
February 6, 2005 - 10:26 AM
Is it just me or does it seems like when Wendy uses models of color her fashions always lack CLOTHES? It seems like she always wants to put them in very little clothes. For example her 1st challenge---the model practically had no clothes, also for for the swim suit she said she never made a thong...the girls whole butt was out.
I know some will say, "here we go with the race and blah blah" but alas I don't care. She does like the women of color to be damn near naked.
She (Wendy) has issues and her attitude sucks.
She never misses an opportunity to bash another contestant.
She needs to get hers and fast.
paillette
February 6, 2005 - 10:37 AM
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Sadly, I'm afraid our beloved Austin may have been the decoy for NY Fashion week ... Impossible. Austin's lavender dress for the Grammy awards looks like a winner unless PR uses a twist that maybe the best design does not go through.
Like everyone else, I stopped the tape and looked at the group of dresses, too. Kara's was hard to make out, but it looked like she had pants under the dress. It didn't seem exciting from the little I could see, but I trust that in her case it may be better than it appears in that frame.
Jay's looked like the best in the group, in my opinion. I liked the cranberry/brown color-shading and intermediate length.
Austin's had a nice flowy silhouette and fluid fabric, but... I have to agree with the earlier poster who said the colors and flow of the fabric in front reminded her of a certain part of the female anatomy. I am not a prim person, but I'd feel self-conscious wearing it.
Wendy's didn't scream "red carpet" to me, but I liked the color. To my mind, this was perhaps the best thing she's done on PR AND for Fashion Week. I don't think it's particularly standout, but I in all honesty, in this case I'd wear hers instead of the giant vagina dress.
runwaywhore
February 6, 2005 - 10:46 AM
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I don’t know if it has been said and feel the need to say this…the term couture does not mean over the top or fantasy..it is just a reference to the truest part of design. It is a reference to hand crafted from sewing to fabrication. There are absolute guide lines to be considered true couture…as such there is no such thing as an American couture designer.. to show couture you have to have a workroom in Paris, where you employ a certain number of staff, you have to apply and you have to have a min number of garments and show 2x a yr..and a lot more crit.
Many Americans use the term couture, in reference to tailored made garment but they are in no way couture…the fact is only about 2,000 people world wide can afford couture and if a couture designer sells maybe 10 pieces of the collection..it’s considered a huge success…I love pr, but let’s not for one instance muddy the dying art of couture by comparing pr contestants to real couture designers..
Here Here!! I have been waiting for someone to address this. So many people throw around the term Haute Couture, when in reality what we are seeing on the average runway is just design plain and simple.
rbmckinney
February 6, 2005 - 10:51 AM
If Wendy is a plant, she certainly is channeling Cruela deVille.
If she is not, she seems to have gotten hypercompetitive, in the bad sense. I’m from a smaller Virginia community not far away from Middleburg. I’ve met country-club women who would go to a shop as Wendy’s is portrayed, and her clientele would not employ someone who revels in seeing people squirm. Wendy may need some professional help.
mmeemile
February 6, 2005 - 10:51 AM
I forget who, but one critic said that some of Austin's clothes were ill-fitting... someone else also said a bustier model would look better... I agree and can imagine the dresses looking stunning on someone nearly spilling out of the dresses, a la 18th century vienna... unfortunately models don't have that body type. If he was eliminated I hope he'll have the strength to carry on with his career. He was so gentlemanly in his attitude towards modeling for Jay and for not wanting to choose someone to eliminate... I hope he is able to not be too swayed by the show and to keep creating fabulous designs, even if he didn't win. His clothes are so luxurious.
casrocky1
February 6, 2005 - 11:14 AM
I could NOT believe Wendy's comment at the end of this week's episode that she loved to see people " up there squirming ." Look in the mirror ! It's usually you up there getting your outfit criticized . Or worse yet , trashing your team leader's skills . Wendy is usually either the recipient or the cause . What a witch !
ericats
February 6, 2005 - 11:23 AM
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I forget who, but one critic said that some of Austin's clothes were ill-fitting... someone else also said a bustier model would look better... I agree and can imagine the dresses looking stunning on someone nearly spilling out of the dresses, a la 18th century vienna... unfortunately models don't have that body type. If he was eliminated I hope he'll have the strength to carry on with his career. He was so gentlemanly in his attitude towards modeling for Jay and for not wanting to choose someone to eliminate... I hope he is able to not be too swayed by the show and to keep creating fabulous designs, even if he didn't win. His clothes are so luxurious.
MAJOR SPOILER IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE TOP 3 ARE
It's been said that Austin was the decoy at Fashion Week and that his collection was something that he had already designed before PR. His designs were shown on the runway but were not filmed for Bravo. So, maybe his heart just wasn't into it (I think that it's really insulting for them to ask anybody to be a decoy.)
I just don't understand how Wendy could be a finalist. Through episode 8, Austin received a total of 29.5 runway points and Wendy only received 21.6. I think that if the judges had free reign of who got eliminated, Wendy would have been kicked off a long time ago.
Anyway, it's been a pleasure to read that Wendy's collection received not too great responses from the critics.
paillette
February 6, 2005 - 11:42 AM
I just found a short description of PR on a site called "Fans of Reality TV." Below is a description of what it means to have a "mentorship" with Banana Republic. The winning designer does NOT have to conceive designs for BR. Instead he or she simply gets some monthly advice. Thus, there is no reason to suggest that one designer is a more appropriate winner than another based upon their "fit" with the BR aesthetic. He or she does not become a BR intern or designer at all.
"The winning designer will also receive a mentorship from the Banana Republic Design Team. Members of the Banana Republic Design Team will meet with winning "Project Runway" contestant once per month for six months to offer guidance and advice on product development and design process."
ericats
February 6, 2005 - 12:13 PM
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You know, I just had a thought: when was episode 9 filmed? We know from Tim that episode 8 was filmed last August so if episode 9 was filmed last summer too then Austin was eliminated long before any of us fell in love with him.
It would also mean that Wendy was chosen way before most of us started to dislike her. If she was chosen to be a finalist last summer I wonder why since Bravo/producers couldn't have known that we like Austin/dsilike Wendy (unless they planned it really, really well) and are Bravo/producers pooping in their pants now because there is so much animosity towards Wendy?
Gherk
February 6, 2005 - 12:43 PM
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You know, I just had a thought: when was episode 9 filmed? We know from Tim that episode 8 was filmed last August so if episode 9 was filmed last summer too then Austin was eliminated long before any of us fell in love with him.
It would also mean that Wendy was chosen way before most of us started to dislike her. If she was chosen to be a finalist last summer I wonder why since Bravo/producers couldn't have known that we like Austin/dsilike Wendy (unless they planned it really, really well) and are Bravo/producers pooping in their pants now because there is so much animosity towards Wendy?
Yes, all of those episodes were filmed last fall, at least two months before the show ever aired. You have to look at the editing - they KNEW we'd hate Wendy, and they totally pushed it as far as it would go. There is so little that we actually see - they had cameras on them 24-7. It's only the final episodes that are being filmed now.
They also knew everyone would love Jay, so of course he got lots of air time!!!
Jay rocks!!!
Gherk
February 6, 2005 - 12:45 PM
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Is it just me or does it seems like when Wendy uses models of color her fashions always lack CLOTHES? It seems like she always wants to put them in very little clothes. For example her 1st challenge---the model practically had no clothes, also for for the swim suit she said she never made a thong...the girls whole butt was out.
I know some will say, "here we go with the race and blah blah" but alas I don't care. She does like the women of color to be damn near naked.
She (Wendy) has issues and her attitude sucks.
She never misses an opportunity to bash another contestant.
She needs to get hers and fast.
Oh God please, please spare us the race thing. Don't even go there. You want to talk about Robert's wedding dress and Martinique's giant knockers hanging out? Was that because she was "of color" as you say? Please. Really. Spare me. Just hate Wendy because she's Wendy. No further reasons necessary.
ericats
February 6, 2005 - 12:47 PM
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Actually, someone *did* draw a mustache on the little girl, it's very evident that this was a deliberate marking, not a random "oops" moment.
SARAHCATHERINE: I just rewatched the segment with the photograph and you are right, it is a moustache! I had remembered it to be a pen nick and I'm wrong so everyone please disregard my previous post.
For heaven's sake! How could someone have done that? They should have known better and have drawn the moustache on Wendy's picture!
CasualModel
February 6, 2005 - 12:53 PM
The only way Bravo could be "pooping their pants", as someone here so eloquently put it, is if the "animosity towards Wendy" actually impacted ratings/whether or not viewers elected to watch the program. There's always a "Wendy" on these types of shows; most of the time these people are included just to suck you in! It's the whole "people you love to hate" or morbid fascination mentality. How many of us watch the show and screech about Wendy...and keep tuning in?? She creates drama and conflict. She's incompetent, lacks even marginal talent and is a passive aggressive drama queen, but all of that...obviously...has made for great viewer responses (just skim this board).
That said, I actually know of two companies (not two offices or departments, whole companies) that say they are actually boycotting PR for a couple reasons. One, the outcome has been determined already and you can all see it on the millions of reruns they show over and over and oooovveerrrr again. Two, they're all embarrassed about being sucked into the whole world of reality TV and the ridiculous drama it portrays. Finally, although I'm sure the producers couldn't care less, they're just fed up with being led to believe something is even remotely realistic and finding out how fantastic and illogical it really is. For example, someone here added up points for one of the contestants and compared the total points to Wendy's score and pointed out if the selections were based on these points, then she'd have been eliminated (perhaps long ago, with any luck).
Obviously this wasn't the case. Wendy has been chastised by the judges again and again. Her designs range from incomprehensible (shredded yarn for the future?) to pathetic (candy as a pseudo-garment) to just plain unimaginative (uh, doesn't the postal service already wear blouses and shorts?). I think we ALL are relieved we have better options for designers (the Karas, Jays, Austins, Alexandras, etc.) than the likes of dear Wendy!
My friends and I decided to lighten up and just enjoy the show purely as entertainment, not as a real "fashion show" if we MUST watch it as soon as each episode airs. Alternatively, if we can stand it, we maintain our rights to complain (sometimes loudly!) by NOT watching the episodes as they air and just watching reruns. I seriously doubt Bravo cares either way!
allezcat
February 6, 2005 - 01:11 PM
how does wendy get away with subpar designs. even if she wins she's not going to make it. if you have to resort to tactics and not talent to win in fashion then you should be designing for...i don't think anyone would hire her even if she worked for free.
Peptic_Ulcer
February 6, 2005 - 01:14 PM
I love reading all the conspiracy theories. Whether or not any have a possibility of being real, it is none the less, entertaining. I've enjoyed every episode, though do cringe in a bit of embarassment over Wendy's antics. I'd be surprised if Austin is any sort of decoy. It just comes down to his lack of versatility. Early on, he was my favorite, his corn husk dress was brilliant, but as each episode came, we realized his single vision. He's enormously talented and will have no problem succeeding in the business. As he matures and grasps the inner workings of the industry, along with real world experience, he'll be a force to reckon with.
iowahousewife
February 6, 2005 - 01:28 PM
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It's been said that Austin was the decoy at Fashion Week and that his collection was something that he had already designed before PR. His designs were shown on the runway but were not filmed for Bravo. So, maybe his heart just wasn't into it (I think that it's really insulting for them to ask anybody to be a decoy.)
I just don't understand how Wendy could be a finalist. Through episode 8, Austin received a total of 29.5 runway points and Wendy only received 21.6. I think that if the judges had free reign of who got eliminated, Wendy would have been kicked off a long time ago.
Anyway, it's been a pleasure to read that Wendy's collection received not too great responses from the critics.
I agree with you wholeheartedly!! After spending way too many hours this weekend reading every internet article, looking at tons of pics from the PR fashion week show, rewatching last weeks episodes and seeing the promos bravo is running today for Wednesday's show - I now believe that Austin is, in fact, the decoy at fashion week. UUUUGGGHHH!! While I agree that Jay and Kara have had a better showing than Austin - I still believe he deserves to be there on his own merits, vying for the $$ way more than Wendy. (Frankly, Kevin, Nora and Alexandra deserved it more than Wendy too - and I would argue for Vanessa over Cruella as well.)
It justs saddens me that a fellow Mom would resort to such measures and the producers would buy it and reward her. We all know that in the real world there are too many "Wendy Peppers" getting nothing but pleasure out of "seeing other people squirm". For once, I just wanted to believe that a person as low as her would get what she has coming to her!
DeViL44
February 6, 2005 - 01:42 PM
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Actually, someone *did* draw a mustache on the little girl, it's very evident that this was a deliberate marking, not a random "oops" moment.
SARAHCATHERINE: I just rewatched the segment with the photograph and you are right, it is a moustache! I had remembered it to be a pen nick and I'm wrong so everyone please disregard my previous post.
For heaven's sake! How could someone have done that? They should have known better and have drawn the moustache on Wendy's picture!
The reason why whoever did it...drew a moustache on her daughters face and not hers was because it was supposed to mentally make her feel really sad to the point of tears. Like somebody else said...you're away from your daughter for a LONG time...and to keep her still in your heart, you usually take the best photo of her you admire a lot with you to your work station or w/e, and you use it to keep you feeling up there and strong and confident...Wendy's a mother. Now...how would you like it if someone just drew a line over the picture of your daughter that you admire the most and use to look at whenever your feeling down, or up there? And yes, the mental sadness for her DID work, and like Wendy said...whoever did it did a good job of making her feel bad. I however think it's either Morgan, Kevin...or Jay. Jay said he would rip her a new [censored] IF she made him look like an ass...but he could have still done it, but most likely...it was Morgan or kevin. It wasn't Wendy. And the whole "Wendy/Cruella De ViL" thing is getting a bit annoying, no offense.
DeViL44
February 6, 2005 - 01:50 PM
Also...I forgot to say this. You guys might think "Well, Wendy deserved it because she did something worse by trashing Kevin and Austin." Well...iv already explained the the issue with Wendy and kevin more than once, but I don't think anyone payed attention. I don't think it was wrong.
But...as for Austin. Wendy didin't TRASH Austin, and she didin't resort to trashing him to stay in. Guys, I think you gotta pay attention more. You all hate her for BASICALLY 2 reasons...Austin issue, and Kevin issue. Otherwise, if she isn't a great designer doesn't mean you should hate her. Anyways, the issue with Austin wasn't mean at all. The judge ASKED everybody "who do you think was the worsed member of your team and why?". Wendy had no choice but to answer it. You guys all trash Wendy for saying and expressing her opinion on who was the worsed member on her team. What about Norah? What about Alexandra? They both trashed Kevin on his leadership and him being a member of the group as well. You guys never spoke about that. I thought Norah was the worst member out of THAT group for THAT day. She was whiny, teary...and she wouldn't shut up with the cursing and the nonsense and the losing of the corset-pattern. Wendy however had no choice but to express her OPINION. Guys, expressing opinions isn't a law...sew her if you want. I agree actually with Wendy. Austin was in total control of the design. Vanessa kept telling Austin her opinions on the dress, and he wouldn't listen or comromise with her on what SHE thought...giving Wendy no choice but to sit back shut up, and listen to Austin on all levels. Austin IS an organzied and strict leader, but when it comes to team-work, he sucks cuz he thinks everythings gotta be him, him, him. Of course he was the head-designer, but listen to what ideas everybody else has before doing anything. It's common sense peeps.
lisakaz
February 6, 2005 - 02:15 PM
I volunteer if Austin don't mind a petite size 8...lol.
C'mon Austin, get a website! Put those stooge BR people and Cruella the Untalented behind you.
lk
lisakaz
February 6, 2005 - 02:18 PM
Easy, it looked like a Hitler moustache. I'm surprised no one has said that before. The main crime was that it wasn't drawn on a picture of Cruella herself.
lk
birdaileen
February 6, 2005 - 02:19 PM
Kara designed Queen Latifah's gown for the 2000 oscars. Here is a pic:
http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=he&id=18045...4&page=8&pid=65no one can say she only designs for toothpicks-- this gown is very pretty on the gorgeous QL.
iowahousewife
February 6, 2005 - 02:20 PM
So sorry, Devil - that we didn't all listen when you lectured us with previous posts. We are all entitled to our opinion, whether you agree with it or not. You have every right to cheer Wendy on - to feel she has been wrongfully chastized - whatever.
Not everyone here hates her based on the two reasons you assume... Austin or Kevin. I do not care for her because from the very first episode she said that all she cared about was going to Fashion Week and that she would do whatever it took to get there. She has been scheming from the beginning. I do not see any of the other designers manipulating and undermining eachother. Wendy may have told "the truth" as you say it when asked about Kevin's leadership, but I ask you.... If it was so honest and pure why then did she point out how mean it was on her OWN website? Did you go to wendypepper.com after that episode? She flat out said that she felt weak and resorted to attacking Kevin to stay afloat. She also said that she wasn't proud of it, but felt it was necessary to move on at that point. Another thing - if Nora had made it this far and continued to whine and cry and throw fits... I'm sure she'd be all over this board. If Wendy really deserved to be here or at the very least had she been "acting" (because I'm sure that's what it would take) like a mature professional in the process, we would not all have our undergarments in wedgy over her!! The designers all have their opinions of eachother and eachothers work and we are fine with that because they are not using those opinions to undermine any other designer.
Also - I don't think Jay drew the mustache on Wendy's photo. Whoever drew the mustache, I don't think that was called for, but I would seriously guess that it was a producer or camera person trying to up the drama level. I don't think Wendy deserved it by any means, but here's some honesty for you - I did enjoy watching her cry and play the whole "Poor picked on me.... WHO would do such a thing to me..." after all the mean comments she's made about all the others. (or should I say "yahoo's" as Wendy refers to them?) Anyway, sue me - I hate Wendy Pepper and any other coniving, manipulating, two-faced person that will step on others and do whatever it takes to get to the top.
lisakaz
February 6, 2005 - 02:21 PM
Well, I gotta tell ya, considering it seems pretty obvious who was eliminated and that it wasn't Cruella, I won't be watching Wednesday. I already know, I'm disgusted. I don't need to rehash it.
I'm just glad the eliminated person didn't need to work hard to have a collection. Maybe good in the short run, if a problem in getting a job in the long run. I hope not, though. I think I am finding myself in a similar situation right now, so I can relate.
lk
lisakaz
February 6, 2005 - 02:23 PM
Hear, hear.
lk
snoops
February 6, 2005 - 02:32 PM
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Go take a look at a dictionary for a definition of honest and you may find the following:
Marked by or displaying integrity; upright
Not deceptive or fraudulent; genuine
Equitable; fair
Very eloquently put!
Don't have much time today. Just wanted to thank you, TTB, Snoops, and others for arguing the points I was trying to make so much more clearly and forcefully!!!
No, thank you, Palefire! Your analyses on this board are right-on! A lot of the pro-Wendys say that she's honest because she's honest to camera, not to the other designers, and not even to herself. She's delusional - calling the other designers "yahoos" as they try to attack a problem of presentation with intelligence.
Maybe Wendy appears intelligent because she can articulate her feelings so clearly on-camera, but someone like Kara Saun has so much business acumen and meets each week's challenge from an intelligent point of view.
And, yes, a lot of us are attacking Wendy's designing ability, not just Wendy's "character" (am using both meanings here) on the show. Her designs shown on Wired Images aren't bad, but maybe she's revealing how much she's grown as a designer. If y'all want to see some truly horrid designs, go to www.wendypepper.com. Most of them look like "Dynasty" Crystal Carrington rejects.
ericats
February 6, 2005 - 02:53 PM
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Actually, someone *did* draw a mustache on the little girl, it's very evident that this was a deliberate marking, not a random "oops" moment.
SARAHCATHERINE: I just rewatched the segment with the photograph and you are right, it is a moustache! I had remembered it to be a pen nick and I'm wrong so everyone please disregard my previous post.
For heaven's sake! How could someone have done that? They should have known better and have drawn the moustache on Wendy's picture!
The reason why whoever did it...drew a moustache on her daughters face and not hers was because it was supposed to mentally make her feel really sad to the point of tears. Like somebody else said...you're away from your daughter for a LONG time...and to keep her still in your heart, you usually take the best photo of her you admire a lot with you to your work station or w/e, and you use it to keep you feeling up there and strong and confident...Wendy's a mother. Now...how would you like it if someone just drew a line over the picture of your daughter that you admire the most and use to look at whenever your feeling down, or up there? And yes, the mental sadness for her DID work, and like Wendy said...whoever did it did a good job of making her feel bad. I however think it's either Morgan, Kevin...or Jay. Jay said he would rip her a new [censored] IF she made him look like an ass...but he could have still done it, but most likely...it was Morgan or kevin. It wasn't Wendy. And the whole "Wendy/Cruella De ViL" thing is getting a bit annoying, no offense.
Dude: I admitted I was wrong about the moustache and I never said that Wendy didn't have a right to get upset. The second part of my posting about drawing the moustache on Wendy's picture was a JOKE, just a play on words. Your "how would you like it..." doesn't really mean anything to me because I've had so much crap done to me by so many people throughout my life, as I'm sure many others have too, that I wish that the worst thing anyone had ever done to me was deface my favorite photograph. Frankly, I'm rather surprised that Wendy didn't get even more upset than she did.
That being said, if you read my previous post on the previous page and Gherk's response to it (NOTE: IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE TOP THREE ARE AND DON'T WANT TO KNOW READ NO FURTHER! TEXT CONTINUED ON NEXT LINE)
Wendy was chosen as a finalist last fall before the show even aired. I guess Bravo and producers have planned it really well and have manipulated the images so much that of course most people aren't going to like Wendy. They could have gone the other way and made us love her. But, isn't more interesting that the woman we all love to hate wins over a favorite? Drama! Conflict! Higher ratings! Mo' money!
Since this is not a documentary, as Heidi claims, it is my belief that producers have manipulated the show to the point that it is really a scripted show. Most likely they told some PA to deface the picture of Wendy's daughter. If another designer or a model had done it, it would have probably been caught on camera (on some other "reality" show they showed a contestant cleaning a toilet bowl with her nemisis' toothbrush.) You know, probably some PA stole the pattern part from Kevin's team as well.
I don't necessarily like Wendy as a designer but now I think that if she wasn't in on the producers' scheme to create a villian then she was being played big time.
snoops
February 6, 2005 - 02:58 PM
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I have to say that I am extremely dissappointed. I thought that the show was about talent. In letting Wendy have her show at Fashion week .. they robbed a true designer of the chance to get noticed. I realize that keeping Wendy was a way the producers thought they could keep people interested in the show. It's a shame that they didn't realize that there is a core of people out here that would have preferred to see a show that was truly about the designs and the design process.. and not all the backstabbing jive.
It's equally sad to think that Wendy ( If she is truly as nice a person and as good a designer as some of the posters claim )... would go along with "acting" like a villain.. just to get to fashion week. That speaks volumes of how desperate she must have felt she was.. and how little she thought that her "talents" as a designer would get her. I think people would have had much more respect for her had she gone on the show on her own merit... as a descent person.. even if she had gotten eliminated early in the show. I have much more respect for Starr, Daniel and Mario for being themselves and honestly trying.
Bravo, Gypsy! Well said!
I realize this is a competition - someone's got to lose and someone's gotta win, but the message for you designer kids out there is if you have no talent, but can be conniving, manipulative, and melodramatic, you too can see your designs on the runway at Fashion Week. Why try on PR, when the producers will just hand it to you because you're "good TV"? I am a producer, so I am doubly disappointed in PR and its good-looking producing staff (as stated by Vanessa in her article).
MNmom
February 6, 2005 - 03:08 PM
I just feel like someone should be the voice of compassion and reason in this matter. Yes, Wendy is less talented, and yes, what she has done is mean, backstabbing and stupid, but I kind of look at it a different way. Put yourself in this situation: you are on a show and you are the oldest contender. (I can relate to that, I kind of was rooting for her at first, because I am 45---OUCH!) The judges rip you a couple of times and you can see that at least some of the designers are quite a bit better than you, so you start feeling a little desperate. Many people would do the same thing under similar circumstances. I am not saying what she did is right, but I kind of feel sorry for her. I am also with the person who said that with the exception of Wendy, I agree with the decisions that the judges have made. BTW I think Kara is going to win, not just because she is one of the best designers, if not the best, but because she has often shown herself to be the natural leader- for example when she tried to save the "collection" for the group in the group collection episode
snoops
February 6, 2005 - 03:12 PM
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You guys are being silly...it IS a reality show. It's not Fashion with Elsa Klensch (sic). If you read most of the articles on magazines like Entertainment Weekly, and websites like Salon.com, one of the "selling" points is the presence of Wendy. I know plenty of people who watch it for the drama as much as the clothes. The "core" you refer to seems to be the 100 or so folks that post in these boards that just want to have a sewing show that you can sit down and sip some chamomille tea while watching.
Heidi Klum and the people at Bravo actually marketed this show as a 'documentary' of what it takes in the fashion industry so the 'villain' stuff just came off as, frankly, really stupid. Not only that but some very talented people, MORE talented people, were eliminated from the show to stage this 'drama' and let's face it, it wasn't like Emmy-winning drama, it was dumb.
So true, BoyzMom. A lot of us viewers are interested in the design portion, which PR shows too little of. We're interested in a program that lets us into a world most people don't know, but are very interested in, which is why "America's Next Top Model" works as well. The competition portion of PR is just that - competition promotes conflict, and therefore conflict is drama. But wouldn't it be nice if the producers of PR could have more integrity and created a "documentary" that is different and a cut above a mere "reality show"?
We have so many out there - people competing by eating bugs, people trying to race to lose weight, people almost killing themselves for their fifteen minutes. A competition show about designers and how they create seemed like an awardwinning, fresh, and money-making idea. Too bad that it has degenerated into the Wendy show.
paillette
February 6, 2005 - 03:17 PM
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You know what? Every time someone on this board complains about Wendy, the Bravo Producers think to themselves "Yesss! It Worked!"
If we could do a wordsearch on these boards, Wendy's name would vastly out-rank any other, including Austin's. Simply put, for good or ill Wendy has generated a level of engagement with the show that outranks any other factor. There's no way in hell, after all the chatter here, that Bravo will change this formula.