nycgal
February 6, 2005 - 03:26 PM
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From this linK:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/feature...jectrunway.html
McCarroll's "stereotype" collection, which featured models wearing headphones dyed to match their outfits, seemed to be the favorite of fashion fans in the audience.
The flamboyant 29-year-old from Lehman, Pa., showed a gold quilted wrap with a gold sequined skirt with a patchwork applique and a turquoise cardigan with an oversized collar, a wood bead chestpiece, an obi belt and a miniskirt paired with leggings.
"I hate to pick favorites, but Jay's collection was far and away the best," said Carson Kressley, the fashion expert on "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy." "A fashion show is all about point of view. ... His show told a story."
I did peek at the photos of the PR designs on line from NY magazine. Jay's designs remind me of the Austrian painter Gustav Klimt who used geometric patterns. Klimt also understood the beauty of women.
snoops
February 6, 2005 - 03:43 PM
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Too bad that it has degenerated into the Wendy show.
You know what? Every time someone on this board complains about Wendy, the Bravo Producers think to themselves "Yesss! It Worked!"
If we could do a wordsearch on these boards, Wendy's name would vastly out-rank any other, including Austin's. Simply put, for good or ill Wendy has generated a level of engagement with the show that outranks any other factor. There's no way in hell, after all the chatter here, that Bravo will change this formula.
Paillette, I meant that it's too bad for us, the show has degenerated into the Wendy show. I realize you actually like Wendy more than a lot of us, but it doesn't mean that some of us are watching this show for the drama. I, for one, actually do want to see what true designers can create, and by "true" I mean Kara, Jay, and Austin. I don't knock Wendy for trying to make dresses, but I'm knocking her because she doesn't have the courage to believe in her own designs, and resorted to manipulation to move herself forward.
It's kind of like how the producers don't truly believe what a goldmine of a show idea they had in their hands, and had to "dumb it down" with all this Wendy drama. If you look at the percentage of time this show spends on Wendy, she probably gets over 60% per episode to herself.
I hope Bravo is reading these boards, because a lot of people here want a better crafted show, about designers and designing - not a show about some twit who couldn't design an assymetrical hemline if her life depended on it. Project Runway could have ridden above the fray - and could have truly been a gem, like its "Queer Eye" cousin.
paillette
February 6, 2005 - 04:05 PM
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Paillette, I meant that it's too bad for us, the show has degenerated into the Wendy show. I realize you actually like Wendy more than a lot of us, but it doesn't mean that some of us are watching this show for the drama. I, for one, actually do want to see what true designers can create, and by "true" I mean Kara, Jay, and Austin.
I fully agree. I too would prefer that the show focus on design, and I find the Wendy theatrics to be a boring sideshow. I'm very interested in fashion, fairly knowledgeable about it, and entirely uninterested in the reality-show formula or in mean-spirited people. (And BTW, I don't think it's fair to say that I "like" Wendy, as I never have praised either her designs or her conduct; I just think some of the responses to her were giving this board a bitter, nasty quality that I found equally as depressing as watching Wendy herself... but I digress.)
My point is simply that all the anxiety about Wendy proves one thing: she's not boring. She's getting people to talk about the show, here and presumably at schools and office water coolers all around the country as well. Since the villain strategy has worked to a "T," there is no reason for Bravo to expend any time and energy working to revamp the show in favor of a true documentary-about-fashion-creation feel. Like you, I wish things were otherwise, but the fact is, Bravo is a business with a bottom line (e.g., audience numbers = advertisers = $$$) and they have met or exceeded their expectations with the Wendy strategy. Thus, sad-but-true: there is no reason in the world for them to alter this formula.
snoops
February 6, 2005 - 05:04 PM
i see your point. But, being in this biz, a girl can hope!
For close-up pix of Fashion Week, go to:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/Click on grey box at right under PR.
lisakaz
February 6, 2005 - 05:05 PM
You might be right. Hence, I won't watch it again. I stopped watching all of those other shows for the reason that I despised the backstabbers. It looks like this is no different.
lk
BoyzMom
February 6, 2005 - 05:15 PM
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You might be right. Hence, I won't watch it again. I stopped watching all of those other shows for the reason that I despised the backstabbers. It looks like this is no different.
lk
I agree with you, lk. On the other thread, I posted my theory that there are two basic viewers/fans of the show: reality tv fans and fashion/design fans. While the *W* (lol) stuff may appeal to reality fans, it becomes a joke for fashion/design fans. Let's face it, this is a niche show - not like Apprentice, Trump's 'business' show or Fear Factor or any of the other more universally-themed shows. If you lose credibility with the fashion/design fans, you're left with a fickle market of reality fans that have more than enough choices on TV today.
I once mentioned that the only reality TV I ever watched (I am definitely in the fashion/design viewer category and generally despise 'reality shows') was the Real World but then I started thinking of another of my favorite shows, Trading Spaces. That's a show that adds drama with the time constraints and budget (and occasional disagreements between homeowners and designers) and remains interesting throughout the season without all the manufactured conflict.
I too would love to see designers awarded 'points' instead of eliminated - there would be natural drama brought out by the competition. And how about they choose a model and must work with the same model through the entire season? That might make for some interesting drama and we would get to know the models a little better too.
PaleFire76
February 6, 2005 - 05:28 PM
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You might be right. Hence, I won't watch it again. I stopped watching all of those other shows for the reason that I despised the backstabbers. It looks like this is no different.
lk
Same here, lk. After watching the first season of Survivor, I've avoided watching all reality shows where backstabbing was a prerequisite to winning. I'm in a profession that is oftentimes adversarial and having to watch this stuff on TV after a hard day at work is unpleasant and even a little stressful!
Though I can't stand Wendy, I do agree she served one important function: highlighting how talented the other designers truly are. I actually think the other designers' works stand out as more polished and more skillfully constructed when a poorly designed garment from Wendy is next to theirs to serve as a stark constrast.
An aside: I don't entirely agree Wendy's personality was a huge factor in PR's great ratings. PR already had a lot of elements that could have made it into a hit show without the villain factor (e.g., gorgeous models to draw in the male demographic, a fresh and interesting premise, engaging personalities provided by Jay, Austin, Vanessa, etc.) But, as others have pointed out, why tinker with a winning formula.
Final thought: disclaimer in the credits or not, I can't help but feel conned by Klum, Bravo, et al.
sarahcatherine
February 6, 2005 - 05:38 PM
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I just rewatched the segment with the photograph and you are right, it is a moustache! I had remembered it to be a pen nick and I'm wrong so everyone please disregard my previous post.
For heaven's sake! How could someone have done that? They should have known better and have drawn the moustache on Wendy's picture!
<snicker> I'm trying to imagine Wendy with a pen moustache...heh. I agree, attack her, because clearly she's made the game that way, but to deliberately ruin a picture of her daughter is just mean and uncalled for. It takes it out of the realm of the show. As mean as Wendy has been, she hasn't taken it to that personal of a level, she attacks within the confines of the show. Is it unnecessary for her to do all that? Of course! But that retaliation took things too far.
sarahcatherine
February 6, 2005 - 05:49 PM
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Also...I forgot to say this. You guys might think "Well, Wendy deserved it because she did something worse by trashing Kevin and Austin." Well...iv already explained the the issue with Wendy and kevin more than once, but I don't think anyone payed attention. I don't think it was wrong.
But...as for Austin. Wendy didin't TRASH Austin, and she didin't resort to trashing him to stay in. Guys, I think you gotta pay attention more. You all hate her for BASICALLY 2 reasons...Austin issue, and Kevin issue. Otherwise, if she isn't a great designer doesn't mean you should hate her. Anyways, the issue with Austin wasn't mean at all. The judge ASKED everybody "who do you think was the worsed member of your team and why?". Wendy had no choice but to answer it. You guys all trash Wendy for saying and expressing her opinion on who was the worsed member on her team. What about Norah? What about Alexandra? They both trashed Kevin on his leadership and him being a member of the group as well. You guys never spoke about that. I thought Norah was the worst member out of THAT group for THAT day. She was whiny, teary...and she wouldn't shut up with the cursing and the nonsense and the losing of the corset-pattern. Wendy however had no choice but to express her OPINION. Guys, expressing opinions isn't a law...sew her if you want. I agree actually with Wendy. Austin was in total control of the design. Vanessa kept telling Austin her opinions on the dress, and he wouldn't listen or comromise with her on what SHE thought...giving Wendy no choice but to sit back shut up, and listen to Austin on all levels. Austin IS an organzied and strict leader, but when it comes to team-work, he sucks cuz he thinks everythings gotta be him, him, him. Of course he was the head-designer, but listen to what ideas everybody else has before doing anything. It's common sense peeps.
That's interesting that you say that Austin is an organized and strict leader, because Wendy's complaint of Austin was that he could have been a better leader, not a better compromiser. I don't remember her saying that he should have listened to their ideas more at all when they were out on the runway.
But, beyond the whole "trashing Austin/trashing Kevin" behaviour, I think most people disliked Wendy from the get-go. She's always been *so* open in their personal interview segments about how she's willing to do anything, including exploiting her role as "mother hen" to advance in the competition. If this were Survivor and the other designers got to vote people off the runway, then this strategy might make sense, but that's not how it works. I think people's frustration with her is that she's creating a negative work space with her underhanded actions.
I disliked her the moment she started crying in the laundry room with Vanessa. Vanessa knew *exactly* what Wendy was up to, called her on it, and Wendy blows up because she disliked being caught, and tries to play the "I'm innocent, how dare you attack me" role. It was crap, and she's only gotten worse from there. Her actions on the runway are only drops in the bucket compared to her actions *off* the runway.
Lastly - Austin didn't have to listen to everyone else's ideas. He could have, if he chose to, but given the time constraints trying to lead by concensus would have taken up *way* too much time. I think Austin did a great job leading.
PaleFire76
February 6, 2005 - 06:05 PM
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If he [Austin] was eliminated I hope he'll have the strength to carry on with his career. He was so gentlemanly in his attitude towards modeling for Jay and for not wanting to choose someone to eliminate... I hope he is able to not be too swayed by the show and to keep creating fabulous designs, even if he didn't win. His clothes are so luxurious.
I completely agree! Austin, please know you have many supporters who believe in your talent and urge you not to give up.
BTW, I think a previous poster (Loomchick, I believe) was dead-on about how those designers (Austin, Vanessa, and Kevin) who may have been disillusioned by the PR experience still haven't designed T-shirts. Sadly, they are one of the few things I can afford and would definitely would purchase. I wonder if all of the profits from the t-shirts go to PR or if the designers get a cut?
I'd love to see what Austin, Vanessa, and Kevin can come up with. (Robert's design made me laugh -- might buy it for my husband. Loved Nora's T-shirt also.)
ThomsTeddyBear
February 6, 2005 - 06:11 PM
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It would be interesting to line up the supporters here for Jay and Austin and see if there's a trend as to body type . . . I have a 1950's type figure . . . Is that why I prefer Austin's designs? It's easier for me to picture them on me and look flattering . . . however, if I was shaped more like Julia (tall and thin . . . with few curves), would I prefer Jay's designs more?
I like Kara's designs . . . although, I usually find myself wanting to be a bit more covered up and more modest necklines.
Good inquiry! In my teens - 22, it would have been a tie between Austin and Jay. I dressed like Cyndi Lauper, Madonna, and Boy George so Jay would have had me there. But I also had hips and a tiny waist so Austin would have accentuated the right stuff nicely.
Now my waist is not as tiny - I would look like a stuffed sausage in Jay's clothes! Austin's skills would cover me nicely
nycgal
February 6, 2005 - 06:36 PM
Like you, I wish things were otherwise, but the fact is, Bravo is a business with a bottom line (e.g., audience numbers = advertisers = $$$) and they have met or exceeded their expectations with the Wendy strategy. Thus, sad-but-true: there is no reason in the world for them to alter this formula.
It's time to wake up the sleeping dead. If you keep reinforcing a behavior to a child, that child will have a good chance to develop that behavior whether it is right or wrong. Why keep going in that same negative direction when Bravo actually developed something of better quality than a typical reality show. There are so many movies out each year but only one wins an Oscar. The winning movie is not always the one with a formula with numbers and $$$$$$. I would like to see this t.v. show have that chance too. There is too much bull going on. Why not make a show be based on positive qualities, it would be refreshing. It would also be harder work to create that image. .
The issue with Wendy's popularity is that she represents the negative frustrations of everybody's life. I don't always want to watch this point of view on T.V.. I realize that the Wendy peronality is a somwhat made up character for the show . If Bravo really wanted to get inside our heads, they should let us vote the final designer off this week. Can you imagine the result of numbers of people voting Wendy off. Can you imagine if people could vote as much as they wish. It would be free therapy for those involved (eventhough the decision would be made by another factor). Then Bravo would get those numbers they want.
P.S. If Bravo wants to play up that shock formula, lets say
Austin is really Wendy's love child and Austin gives up his chance for the big fashion show, so that his mom at age 39 will have her big chance. And that is why he gets eliminated in the final episode and becomes the decoy. What a tear jerker.
P.S.S. About the reviews of Austin's 2005 fashions in NY on Friday. Austin's fashions are beautiful to look at. They remind me of a young girl dressing up in their mother's outfits and pretending. Isn't that what part of fashion can be about
JustTzujIt
February 6, 2005 - 06:42 PM
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I too would love to see designers awarded 'points' instead of eliminated - there would be natural drama brought out by the competition. And how about they choose a model and must work with the same model through the entire season? That might make for some interesting drama and we would get to know the models a little better too.
I sure WISH they used the points system. Then that would mean our favorite three would be heading to finals and *W* would be LONG-gone. I'm talking six episodes ago! But for Bravo this show is a big hit, and they're not going to change the formula, which is unfortunate. All I can say is that now that the "Evil mom from Virginia" thing is over and done, they'll have to find a new villain. And DOGGONE IT you better find me a new Austin!
ThomsTeddyBear
February 6, 2005 - 06:45 PM
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It justs saddens me that a fellow Mom would resort to such measures and the producers would buy it and reward her. We all know that in the real world there are too many "Wendy Peppers" getting nothing but pleasure out of "seeing other people squirm". For once, I just wanted to believe that a person as low as her would get what she has coming to her!
Ditto! I don't care if it is a game, a mother should have better morals (heck, EVERYONE should have better morals)!
My interest in PR has scaled back 75% due to the fact that Wendy even made it at all (decoy or not) to Fashion Week to show her wares. Great example to show the world - be selfish, backstabbing, and conniving and you'll go far! I'd rather never realize any of my dreams than EVER become that desparate!
birdaileen
February 6, 2005 - 06:53 PM
quote: BTW, I think a previous poster (Loomchick, I believe) was dead-on about how those designers (Austin, Vanessa, and Kevin) who may have been disillusioned by the PR experience still haven't designed T-shirts...
haha, it was me who posted that! my one good post and mistaken for another *sob*
goddessamelia
February 6, 2005 - 07:07 PM
Im really dissapointed that Wendy got to show her stuff during fashion week......very dissapointed.
nabakov5
February 6, 2005 - 07:12 PM
i used the URL you gave for close-ups of the fashion week designs...and i have to say....even though i think kara saun is very talented, well-adjusted and intelligent...i was disappointed to see her using Chinchilla fur on one of her designs....who knows if its actually real or not...but if it is real....tsk tsk kara....the practices of the fur industry, and in particular the techniques and practices used to obtain chinchilla fur are grotesque and inhumane....i would have liked to have seen a bigger concern for the materials she chose to use....ok..i've said my peace....by the way....I STILL MISS KEVIN...SOMEONE RETURN HIM TO ME!!!!!
PaleFire76
February 6, 2005 - 07:17 PM
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quote: BTW, I think a previous poster (Loomchick, I believe) was dead-on about how those designers (Austin, Vanessa, and Kevin) who may have been disillusioned by the PR experience still haven't designed T-shirts...
haha, it was me who posted that! my one good post and mistaken for another *sob*
Ack!!! Sorry, birdaileen. You have plenty of good posts!
ThomsTeddyBear
February 6, 2005 - 07:17 PM
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I just feel like someone should be the voice of compassion and reason in this matter. Yes, Wendy is less talented, and yes, what she has done is mean, backstabbing and stupid, but I kind of look at it a different way. Put yourself in this situation: you are on a show and you are the oldest contender. (I can relate to that, I kind of was rooting for her at first, because I am 45---OUCH!) The judges rip you a couple of times and you can see that at least some of the designers are quite a bit better than you, so you start feeling a little desperate. Many people would do the same thing under similar circumstances.
I would hope that there would be a greater sense of conscious in a person. But then if many people would do it then that explains why the world is going to Hades in a handbasket. At least there is a shadow of hope by those here on the boards who recognize and call her on her behavior. Go, be fruitful and multiply - the world needs more like you!
JustTzujIt
February 6, 2005 - 07:32 PM
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It would be interesting to line up the supporters here for Jay and Austin and see if there's a trend as to body type . . . I have a 1950's type figure . . . Is that why I prefer Austin's designs? It's easier for me to picture them on me and look flattering . . . however, if I was shaped more like Julia (tall and thin . . . with few curves), would I prefer Jay's designs more?
I like Kara's designs . . . although, I usually find myself wanting to be a bit more covered up and more modest necklines.
You could be right about that one. I have a curvy body type also, so that could be why I'm so partial to Austin's designs. I'm eclectic in my style, but the way Austin's designs are shaped are the kind that I could imagine myself in without looking hideous. Don't get me wrong; I love Jay's designs and personality - but I can much more easily imagine myself in Austin's designs.
I love Kara too, and wouldn't even really mind wearing a dress that's a little low cut. As long as they let me in to the school dance!
RMSoho87
February 6, 2005 - 07:38 PM
For starters-
BEST show on earth! I LOVE Jay- 100%.....I love his witty sarcasm, childish humor and amazing sense of design. If you go to www.newyorkmetro.com they have the fall '05 collections along with those from project runway.... It's more than easy to tell who did which garments....BTW...Jay, Austin AND KARA make it to the final. But Jay's collection is by far the most cohesive, interesting and lively of the other two. Just thought I'd share.
-Rob
JustTzujIt
February 6, 2005 - 07:39 PM
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The issue with Wendy's popularity is that she represents the negative frustrations of everybody's life. I don't always want to watch this point of view on T.V.. I realize that the Wendy peronality is a somwhat made up character for the show . If Bravo really wanted to get inside our heads, they should let us vote the final designer off this week. Can you imagine the result of numbers of people voting Wendy off. Can you imagine if people could vote as much as they wish. It would be free therapy for those involved (eventhough the decision would be made by another factor). Then Bravo would get those numbers they want.
I can imagine myself, sitting at my computer or cell phone or what-have-you, punching in the selection for "Wendy" over and over and over... until my fingers fall off! But really what would be better is if everyone could vote for their favorite . Because really, I would much rather see the name "Austin" hundreds of times than "Wendy."
P.S. If Bravo wants to play up that shock formula, lets say
Austin is really Wendy's love child and Austin gives up his chance for the big fashion show, so that his mom at age 39 will have her big chance. And that is why he gets eliminated in the final episode and becomes the decoy. What a tear jerker.
Comic relief, just what I need on a Sunday night! Thanks for the good laugh.
P.S.S. About the reviews of Austin's 2005 fashions in NY on Friday. Austin's fashions are beautiful to look at. They remind me of a young girl dressing up in their mother's outfits and pretending. Isn't that what part of fashion can be about
YES! Someone finally said what I've been dying to say all along! I haven't seen the pictures yet, but I think Austin's getting way too much of a bad rap than he should.
RMSoho87
February 6, 2005 - 07:42 PM
Hey-
I don't know Jay at all but damn would I love to. I'm a senior in high school going to design school next year at FIT. I love Jay's designs, sense of humor and all around personality. If you do, by any chance, get in touch with him.... Do you think maybe you could send him my email @ RMSoho87@yahoo.com ? I would die to let him know how great I think he is (okay, I know how cheesy I sound) But anyhoo, please consider....
-Rob
lisakaz
February 6, 2005 - 07:43 PM
No kidding. She still rots, tho. I'm glad people noticed.
lk
birdaileen
February 6, 2005 - 07:46 PM
you might try writing in to the "website" section of these boards and asking the moderator how to contact the contestants. I feel like there must be some way, some email the designers are given through the show (something like jay@projectrunway.com or whatever)
also-- thanks, palefire, for the shout-out. i feel much better now (grin).
lisakaz
February 6, 2005 - 07:48 PM
I like Jay's work up till the runway, and clearly he is way talented. I don't doubt Carson. But I think Jay's collection was too young or hip for me. Maybe he works for a younger set. Like what I said about Kara: she doesn't fit my body type and what I like, any more than Vera Wang does (who obviously is very good, if not to my wearability). I could easily see myself in Austin's clothes. I love the bolero-jacketed grey suit-dress he showed on Friday. Now if someone put that up for auction....
lk
JustTzujIt
February 6, 2005 - 07:48 PM
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For starters-
BEST show on earth! I LOVE Jay- 100%.....I love his witty sarcasm, childish humor and amazing sense of design. If you go to www.newyorkmetro.com they have the fall '05 collections along with those from project runway.... It's more than easy to tell who did which garments....BTW...Jay, Austin AND KARA make it to the final. But Jay's collection is by far the most cohesive, interesting and lively of the other two. Just thought I'd share.
-Rob
Are you sure about the final three? Because all of the remaining four had collections there; one is the "decoy" so they could throw us off and not know who is eliminated in three days. If you know somehow by and inside source, PLEASE SHARE! You're news might be one last beacon of hope before I write "Vive l'Austin" all over my jeans... jk. But really...
lisakaz
February 6, 2005 - 07:50 PM
Tell me about it. What people collected from some newspapers and such online showed that our clear best 3 (even if we differ on how to rank them) are not final 3, which _____s like a new Hoover.
lk
DeViL44
February 6, 2005 - 07:57 PM
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So sorry, Devil - that we didn't all listen when you lectured us with previous posts. We are all entitled to our opinion, whether you agree with it or not. You have every right to cheer Wendy on - to feel she has been wrongfully chastized - whatever.
Not everyone here hates her based on the two reasons you assume... Austin or Kevin. I do not care for her because from the very first episode she said that all she cared about was going to Fashion Week and that she would do whatever it took to get there. She has been scheming from the beginning. I do not see any of the other designers manipulating and undermining eachother. Wendy may have told "the truth" as you say it when asked about Kevin's leadership, but I ask you.... If it was so honest and pure why then did she point out how mean it was on her OWN website? Did you go to wendypepper.com after that episode? She flat out said that she felt weak and resorted to attacking Kevin to stay afloat. She also said that she wasn't proud of it, but felt it was necessary to move on at that point. Another thing - if Nora had made it this far and continued to whine and cry and throw fits... I'm sure she'd be all over this board. If Wendy really deserved to be here or at the very least had she been "acting" (because I'm sure that's what it would take) like a mature professional in the process, we would not all have our undergarments in wedgy over her!! The designers all have their opinions of eachother and eachothers work and we are fine with that because they are not using those opinions to undermine any other designer.
Also - I don't think Jay drew the mustache on Wendy's photo. Whoever drew the mustache, I don't think that was called for, but I would seriously guess that it was a producer or camera person trying to up the drama level. I don't think Wendy deserved it by any means, but here's some honesty for you - I did enjoy watching her cry and play the whole "Poor picked on me.... WHO would do such a thing to me..." after all the mean comments she's made about all the others. (or should I say "yahoo's" as Wendy refers to them?) Anyway, sue me - I hate Wendy Pepper and any other coniving, manipulating, two-faced person that will step on others and do whatever it takes to get to the top.
Thank you for telling your opinion on Wendy. I respect all your opinions on her and anyone else here who has opinions on her. Im sorry if I kinda blew up in my previous post. I didn’t mean too, so I apologize. I mean no harm on these boards because I like talking on here a lot. But, yea, I respect your opinions on her, and the reason why iv been defending Wendy, is just cuz I like to express my personal opinions on her. That’s all. I don’t want to offend anyone here though.
But, back on subject. Ok. Like iv said in my previous post, iv already explained ina huge paragraph why I thought The Kevin and Wendy issue wasn’t wrong. I don’t really know if anyone caught it, but it’s quite a few pages back n this message board. If you want to see it you can, but just for the sake of this topic, I’ll repeat myself as well as express a few more opinions on the topic. Just, please…read it carefully so you can see what I mean. Just trust me, im not trying to offend anyone, nor say you are right or wrong, or Wendy was right or wrong, this is all just MY opinion on what was going on in her head.
Ok, so here I go.
Basically Wendy spoke her opinion on Kevin’s leadership and ousted his flaws of being the leader in this challenge. The challenge was to create garments from the year 2055 that all matched and look liked they belonged in the same line, however, Wendy pointed out that it did not match and that Kevin could have been active a bit more and could have made sure the construction and designs of the garments all fitted together in one line as well as making sure of the time in order to make the “pod coat.” The facts that Wendy gave about a “line” was correct. She was right about how a fashion show should all match and tell a story as one garment walks down to another. However, the team failed to do this. Now let’s get to the point. First off, in my personal OPINION, I think that Kevin would have been eliminated wether or not Wendy exploited his so-called bad leadership or not. If you payed attention to what the judges had to say about the garments by themselves, they never really said anything like “Since Wendy has pointed out Kevin’s bad leadership skills in this challenge, he should be eliminated.” I don’t think they said anything of that sort, however they DID point out that Kevin’s wardrobe did NOT match the line at all. I agree on this and I agree when Wendy pointed that out. His outfit was the MOST separate from the group and it did not look really deconstructed. It looked very different, and I think this is what caused his elimination. If you knew what the challenge was, you should know why he got eliminated. And it wasn’t because of Wendy’s comments. Now, Wendy’s site “wendypepper.com” states that she had to resort to trashing Kevin to stay in this competition. Now this may seem like the hardest thing for me to explain in this paragraph, but im going to try and see if you guys can clearly see were im coming from. First off, weve all noticed that Wendy acted very nice to Kevin while working with him on this project….then we see Wendy trashing Kevin after the runway show has ended. Now you guys automatically think “she’s a backstabber.” PERIOD. Well, that’s were I think you guys COULD possibly be wrong. Even though her website clearly stated, “I had to resort to trashing Kevin to stay in this competition.” I still find her “intentions” unclear. Before the runway show began, and Kevin played leader, im still wondering what was going on through Wendy’s mind. She seemed happy towards Kevin and tried to act friendly. Now, we all know Wendy is about 40 years old. You and me…well, im in my teens and I don’t know about you, but im young and I have enough common sense to say to myself “If I were in this competition…how would acting nice towards Kevin, and then trashing him on stage effect my presence in this competition?” Just think about it. Guys, Wendy isn’t stupid. She’s a mother, and she’s 40 years old and she has enough common sense for that. Back stabbing a person does NOT effect your presence in a competition. HOWEVER, it DOES effect your personal relationship from he or she…the judges could give a crap less wether Wendy did in fact back stab Kevin or not….it still wouldn’t effect wether she was here or not. Wendy knows that, she can’t be THAT stupid. That’s why, in my opinion…Her “personal intentions” before the runway began, wasn’t “let me act nice to Kevin and then trash in on the runway.” No. In my opinion she was thinking “Me and him have had a bad relationship in the past. Let me try and make it more peaceful and be more friendly.” That’s what I think. Believe it or not. After that though, THAT’S when Wendy was starting to realize Kevin wasn’t a good leader. AFTER she was being nice to Kevin in the work station, she started to realize Kevin’s leadership mistakes. How do I know? Watch the episode. When the creatie director (the guy with the grey hair) starts to speak to Wendy about what she thought, she started to point out her thoughts on Kevin about the pod coat and the timing and his mistakes on leadership. So there ya have it. Yes, Wendy was nice to Kevin in the workstation, but as time passed by, she started to realize his mistakes and felt like pointing it out to the director guy. WHY DID SHE POINT IT OUT to the director guy?? Because the guy questioned her about the pod coat and that it was the back-bone of this challenge to keep the line steady. So Wendy had no choice but to express her opinions on why the coat wasn’t made and that was based on kevin’s poor leadership skills. Guys, yes, in MY personal opinion…I don’t think Kevin is a great leader. Even everybody else thought Kevin wasn’t a great leader from the start. Look how it was with Norah and Alexanderia? He wasn’t cruel or mean, but he hasen’t got the right skills to maintain the garment construction time as well as his own time to make a garment. When he was with Norah, they both had trouble because of the timing. He doesn’t have the right skills to lead and this is kinda what caused everybody to fall. The garments weren’t really completed, and the whole thing got screwed up. I agree that he wasn’t a natural born leader, but that’s no excuse. It’s just like saying “Im not a natural born designer, but im going to try and compete on Project runway no matter what.” He should have at least knew this by now and being a leader is a big part of the design industry and business. ANYWAYS, back on subject, lol. Ok…so, so far weve discussed, or I have discussed Wendy’s “Intentions” before the show and why she didin’t have backstabbing thoughts on Kevin. Now lets move on to the runway show discussions. On her website, I’ll repeat…it clearly stated “I had to resort to trashing Kevin to stay in this competition.” Do you guys clearly see what she’s saying? Mabye, maybe not. Some of the things she says aren’t in “Literal meanings”…meaning…the words she says sometimes don’t mean “Literally” the things that she says. Take a good look at what happened to her on the runway. The judge asked her what Wendy thought of her design right? Wendy explained, but the judge cut her butt off before Wendy could even finish speaking and she bitterly said “But, it looks like my cat swallowed up a ball of yarn, and like spit it out afterwords.” Giving Wendy a VERY VERY pressured position. In her mind at this moment, she was probably thinking “Man, I think I might get eliminated now because im getting attacked very rudely by the judge.” So after she thinks this, the judge asks her “What did you think of Kevin being the leader?” Now, she had no choice but to express her opinion on his leadership. She couldn’t refuse and say no, or else she had a more risky chance of being eliminated, but she DI D express her opinion on Kevin. She pointed out his flaws and his mistakes and she didin’t do it in a “BASHFUL, conniving, back stabbing” way…the way you guys might think she did it. She slowly explained her thoughts kindly to the judgesin a kind voice and tried to point out exactly why he wasn’t a good leader and she displayed honesty. The other members KNEW Kevin wasn’t a good leader. Even KARA said he wasn’t really a great leader did she not? She said “a leader never lets somebody else come in a take control.” And Kevin failed to do just that. So…the other members on the runway were probably thinking in there heads “Were all friends with Kevin, and if we point out his leadership skills, he won’t like us anymore and he will probably be eliminated…so we’ll shut up and just say everything was all peachy creamy.” No, no, no. That was wrong. I thought this competition relied on SKILL, and TALENT to stay on this show? Pointing out kevin’s leadership skills…and I mean his TRUE skills in this competition by Wendy was the right thing to do. Keep in mind also that this wasn’t the first time she questioned his leadership skills. Did she not do it when the “director guy” came in and asked her about it like I aid above? She’s been feeling this way about Kevin’s leadership since the beginning of the competition almost. For Kevin, he had to be a good leader to make it through this competition and Wendy pointed out that his leadership was NOT GOOD and that his design did not fit in with the rest of this show. His bad leadership COULD have affected everyone elses designs and this could have led to serious trouble. I don’t know if you have any idea what impact he could have done if he was a worse leader. But then again, what Wendy said probably didn’t really affect the judges decisions, but it was very wise of her to her thoughts out. It really was guys, and I seriously think she is so more than what some people on here claim her to be as. Again, I respect all your opinions. I like to hear what you have to say. But, right now, im expressing mine and I mean no harm. But this was my opinion on her and I don’t think Wendy is the wicked witch/cruella de vil of the show. She is the honest, determined and competitive woman of this show with lots of talent and creativity. I love Wendy in a friendly way, and I would love to meet her. I haven’t seen people like her in a while. Anyways, keep in mind that some of you guys also hate her for her design work.
And one more thing people. This is the last thing I will point out. Even if Wendy DID IN FACT exploit Kevin’s leadership JUST to stay in the competition, remember that we are all human. If you got attacked like that from a judge you would have loads of pressure just jump on you and you probably would have done the same thing. We are all human, and the design industry is VERY competitive. But this isn’t my real opinion, my real opinion is above. This incident is really the ONLY issue as to why people hate her. That’s what I think.
lisakaz
February 6, 2005 - 08:12 PM
When do I see his behind anyway? It's almost 1/4 thru the episode.
lk
ThomsTeddyBear
February 6, 2005 - 08:20 PM
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When do I see his behind anyway? It's almost 1/4 thru the episode.
lk
lol - mornng of the runway show, keep watching!
goddessamelia
February 6, 2005 - 08:22 PM
they show is behind? and it didnt see it? or is his wearing undies? which episode? can i speak without asking a question?
lisakaz
February 6, 2005 - 08:23 PM
Thanks! That's the only reason to watch, other than seeing Austin model. The stupid producers took away my reason for seeing anything else, because it seems to me we have figured out what happened in the last pre-final show elimination. Instead of that song where I ask God to buy me a Mercedes, I'm going to ask for an Austin dress...lol.
lk
ThomsTeddyBear
February 6, 2005 - 08:30 PM
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they show is behind? and it didnt see it? or is his wearing undies? which episode? can i speak without asking a question?
It's not too late, turn on Bravo NOW!
ThomsTeddyBear
February 6, 2005 - 08:32 PM
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they show is behind? and it didnt see it? or is his wearing undies? which episode? can i speak without asking a question?
It's not too late, turn on Bravo NOW!
Ok now it's too late - hopefully you caught it! Record people, record! The marathon is on the 13th, there's still time!
lisakaz
February 6, 2005 - 08:35 PM
I got it paused on my TiVo. I'm trying to see how much reflects from the bathroom mirror...lol. Heh, BEEFCAKE!
lk
lisakaz
February 6, 2005 - 08:38 PM
Full behind. Very nice.
lk
Twitchly
February 6, 2005 - 08:44 PM
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<regarding the mustache-on-the-photo incident> As mean as Wendy has been, she hasn't taken it to that personal of a level, she attacks within the confines of the show. Is it unnecessary for her to do all that? Of course! But that retaliation took things too far.
I think Wendy has actually taken it a step further as well. Granted, for the most part, she has just back-stabbed her fellow designers. But the incident that finally convinced me that she was a true sociopath was when she selected her model in the last round. She spoke so kindly and sweetly to Morgan (the pscyho model, but that's another discussion), making her think she was going to pick her, right up to the point where Morgan said "Oh, you're going to make me cry" -- and then Wendy turned and picked the other model instead. There was NO need for that. That move didn't further Wendy's career; it didn't bring her closer to fashion week. There was no professional motivation for that; it was just pure malicious spite. For me, it was the most horrible moment of this whole series. It was indefensible.
Wendy would make a great candidate to run Abu Ghraib.
dawn1
February 6, 2005 - 08:46 PM
I don't know why Wendy is still on the show. Her main objective for the entire show has been to make others look bad. There is always "that one" person on any job that makes it difficult for everyone else...that's Wendy.
On the Post Office episode, her take on it was since it is the US Postal Service, you should not try to change it too much! That's what the Postal Service wanted. Plus her attitude makes it harder for the other designers to work. Shame on Project Runway for allowing her to stay so long.
She has focused so much on not being a team player, it is pitiful.
goddessamelia
February 6, 2005 - 08:49 PM
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they show is behind? and it didnt see it? or is his wearing undies? which episode? can i speak without asking a question?
It's not too late, turn on Bravo NOW!
Im at work!!!!
Which episode is it, so when the marathon is on I can keep an eye out for it! Thanks!
lisakaz
February 6, 2005 - 08:52 PM
To add to that, Kara stated that you-know-who wasn't the least bit broken up about eliminating Morganza, whereas we've previously seen a lot of designers feel badly about being the last one, or sending home someone previously familiar to them. You-know-who doesn't have a conscious, whereas we've seen Robert did. He hated elimating a model weeks ago when he went last.
lk
lisakaz
February 6, 2005 - 08:55 PM
It's the postal episode. It takes place the morning of the runway show, before the drama of Austin modelling takes place. It's maybe close to half way thru the episode (give or take maybe 5 minutes). Hope this helps. I wore out TiVo rewinding and playing it in slow motion.
lk
rcorbin
February 6, 2005 - 09:00 PM
Why does everyone seem to call her Kara Saun (her full name) all the time when everyone else is just Jay, Austin, or Wendy? I missed the first few episodes, does she go by the full name? I've heard her refer to herself as "Kara" on previous shows. Just curious.
Morgasmo
February 6, 2005 - 09:16 PM
Agreed! in the beginning I was impressed with Jay's designs but thought he was a little too obnoxious, esp. when he would do his intervies wrapped up in that fur. But he is def. the standout character of the show. The dude is just hilarious...he was in rare form in the last episode.
I really wish Nora had made it into the final 3 instead of Wendy or Austin. She was prob. the top "technician" of the group and she had a lot of imagination and flair...kind of like a Mini-Jay.
TailInTheSky
February 6, 2005 - 09:16 PM
I really enjoy this exciting and challenging show every week. All designers are very talented, and I would like to congratulate every one of them. Ever since the first episode aired, I too, have become one of you...exciting, struggling, anxious, and relieved...right here in my living room. Please do not give up on your dream. Be confident. I keep watching your progress every Wednesday!! Good luck!!
goddessamelia
February 6, 2005 - 09:45 PM
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It's the postal episode. It takes place the morning of the runway show, before the drama of Austin modelling takes place. It's maybe close to half way thru the episode (give or take maybe 5 minutes). Hope this helps. I wore out TiVo rewinding and playing it in slow motion.
lk
THANK YOU!!!!!
NoWendyPepper
February 6, 2005 - 10:26 PM
can i just say that austin totally looked like he was going to kill wendy pepper the whole freaking day?
i really wish he did!!
so after seeing that link of ny fashion week, i have a feeling that no one gets eliminated
but then the freaking commercial just popped on bravo
and made it seem like someone other that wendy gets it
i seriously hope this isnt the case
shes such a *#$@!##$@#@!!!!!
any thoughts?
mjkerri44
February 6, 2005 - 10:27 PM
I don't know if this answer's your question. But maybe Kara encourages people to call her Kara Saun given the fact that her real name is Kara Saunders. Here's an article about Kara from her hometown newspaper, The Item, in South Carolina:
"Article published: Jan 16, 2005
On the runway
Hillcrest graduate competing on Bravo reality show
Former Sumter resident and 1985 Hillcrest High School graduate Kara Saunders has continued her successful fashion design career in the 10 years since she was last profiled by The Item. At that time, the daughter of (Retired) Maj. Clifford and Barbara Saunders was living in New York City, where she designed couture and ready-to-wear clothing and costumes.
"I've been in Los Angeles since shortly after that interview," she said last Thursday, the day after episode four of the Bravo Network's reality show "Project Runway" aired. Saunders is back in New York through February for the program. She was chosen as one of 12 fashion designers to compete on the show for prizes that most designers can only dream about, she said. Among them is "to have a runway show during Fashion Week in New York, with all of the best known designers," she said.
Saunders has been preparing herself to be a professional designer since she was very young. She said she's been sewing for almost as long as she can remember.
"My mother, my aunt and my grandmother all sewed, and they designed clothes," she said. "I remember my sister and me having lots of matching outfits."
Her parents got her her own sewing machine when she was 15, and Kara made almost all of her own clothes from that point on. In 1986, her former teacher, Rita Beard, asked her to design uniforms for the 1986 Hillcrest cheerleading squad. Saunders continued sewing while a student in communications at Rutgers University, where she designed outfits for many of her classmates.
In New York, Saunders started her own business and later moved to Los Angeles, "because I really enjoy making costumes, and there was more opportunity for that there," she said.
Saunders almost missed the auditions for "Project Runway," she said.
"By the time I heard about it, there was only one audition remaining, and that was in Miami," she explained, "so I hurried down there and barely made it."
She was selected for the show, and the exposure it affords her can only help her with her career, even if she's not the winning competitor, she believes.
The premise of the show, she explained, is "like a cross between 'The Apprentice' and 'Top Model' (a UPN program)."
It's also a lot like "Survivor" and "American Idol."
Each week, the designers are given a challenge to complete within a set time. The first week, Saunders said, each contestant was given 12 hours total and $50 to buy materials for an original design. The catch was, "We could only use materials we found in a grocery store!" she said.
When the designs are completed, they are displayed runway style to the judges, and one designer is voted off the show. Saunders said that all the judges are established, respected professionals, such as Betsey Johnson. The show is hosted by supermodel Heidi Klum, who has been quoted as saying "Project Runway" is not a reality show, but a documentary.
For her dress on episode one, Saunders said, "I bought gold cupcake tin foil for the skirt, painted the top and used feather dusters for the sleeves."
When interviewed after episode four, Saunders said, "I can't tell you much about the results because we're under contract, but after four shows, I'm still there."
Besides designing an outfit each week, Saunders, like the other contestants, has to select a model to show off her design.
"The model has to fit with your style," she said. "You want someone who, by their walk, their personality, how they represent you, fits in with your design. We work with them on their hair and makeup — the complete package is what they judge you on."
When Saunders is not competing on "Project Runway," she has her own business under her professional name, Kara Saun.
"I still design for private clients, usually something for shows and special events," she said. "I've designed gowns for Queen Latifah for the Oscars and other special occasions, for example."
Saunders has also designed clothing for Eddie Murphy, Busta Rhymes, Lil' Kim and members of the San Francisco '49ers, among others. Her designs were used in the UPN program, "Eve," in Mario van Peebles film "Baadasssss" and for several other movies and television programs.
"Project Runway" airs on Wednesday nights on the Bravo Network — Time Warner Cable Channel 47 in Sumter. Reruns are shown frequently after each original show is aired, and there is a marathon of the previously aired shows every Sunday beginning at 9 p.m.
The 10th and final show is scheduled for Wednesday, Feb. 16 at 9 p.m. The winner announced during that broadcast "will get help in starting (his or her) business," Saunders said.
"The winner will get $100,000 seed money, a runway show during New York Fashion Week — that's a designer's dream — sponsorship by Banana Republic, a shoot in Elle magazine and several other prizes.
"The winner of each show gets immunity the following week. The loser goes home," she said. "Four shows and I'm still here!"
Saunders is actually faring much better than at the time of the interview. On the Jan. 13 episode, she and her fellow competitors — only eight of the original 12 remained — were each asked to design a wedding dress for a specific model. The design was to reflect both the desire of the model and the style of the competitor.
At the end of the show, after the designers' creations had been modeled on the runway, all eight of them were lined up facing the judges, knowing that one was to be voted off the show and one would be named the winner. Saunders was addressed first, receiving only praise from the judges. After all the designs had been criticized, she was announced the winner.
With Wednesday's win, Saunders is immune from expulsion on the Jan. 19 program, guaranteeing she'll remain in competition at least through Jan. 26. The final program, on which the winner will be decided, will air on Feb. 16.
To find out how Saunders fares in future Project Runway competition, tune into Bravo Wednesday nights at 9.
Reach Features Editor Ivy Moore at ivym@theitem.com
kenshe
February 6, 2005 - 11:18 PM
I agree Austin is just fabulous. I love him. I hope he is a part of the final three. I think Wendy needs to go next. She is just not a part of the fashion society. She is strange and doesn't fit in. I think she would have a hard time in the fashion industry. Her designs have no flare. She can design for 40 year old women that are pretty conservative, but that doesn't take much skill.
I'm rooting for Austin or Kara. They are both so good. Jay is good also. I think those three will make it in the industry. The first Austin Scarlett original I see...is mine. I would buy it because he is so sweet and I think he is true to his craft. Kara's designs are probably more in line with my style, but I have to have an Austin Scarlett something.
casrocky1
February 6, 2005 - 11:51 PM
I think some of the designers have grown and some haven't . Austin still designs for the ' june cleaver ' set . If I hear him say " party dress " one more time I will become ill . Jay has not quite ditched the immature/punk attitude but has become a more versatile designer and a better competitor . Jay is truly a wild card , but needs to show some business skills . Yes , Robert did continue for too long with sub-standard designs but a good sell at the end . HOWEVER, Wendy has been on way too long with mediocre designs and a bad attitude .Wendy should have been booted this week and not Robert . Kara - well , she just runs silent and continues to do well .I think it's up to Kara and Jay . * And a disclaimer here , I have known Jay since he was a baby . So I can't predict a winner . But I love this show !
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