Veronique
February 7, 2005 - 12:31 AM
I think Jay did grow during the show.
Kara and Wendy, they already had themselves figured out before getting on the show.
Austin...he needs a mentor. He's very young. He's got some sharp ideas but they're all scattered, it's raw talent. It needs to be polished. He needs to study under someone, learn and maybe in a few years he'll surprise us.
I mean, he's 23. I'm 23, got my degree and my specialization and I'm still figuring out some stuff about my life. I go in 20 different directions sometimes! I know what it feels like.
Well, lets see who wins. I say Kara. But watchout world, Jay's arrived!
lafalite
February 7, 2005 - 12:53 AM
I agree, Wendy should have gone along time ago. But it is "Reality TV"; I think they want to keep her because she is the most drama on the show. Don't we see it on every Reality TV? Well, If she could not make it till the end, I think she could consider her career in acting... :-) She could be on some soap operas playing a #!%@$...but she'll make it, at least next week as we've seen on the comercial. They still want the show have alot of drama.
echo
February 7, 2005 - 02:24 AM
Yes, this show is addictive and why that is so eludes me, though by comparison, Trump's people are so unattractive in almost every way (maybe because they are business people who are just poorly educated, e.g., no learning in literature or art) and the other "reality" shows are unreal or distasteful. Even so, Project Runway cannot be compared to anything else out there.
As for the designers, Wendy is very middle-American, narrow-minded, and agistic ---- yes, as in agism. A woman can be 40ish and still have a great deal of style, awareness, and emotional maturity without playing den-mom to younger people. I think Wendy made herself different from the other designers from the start based on age --her own -- and made herself believe that her survival depended on getting the better of the younger ones, as though age were the advantage. Her perceptions have become her reality, and she took it in a negative direction. Kara Saun did her a favor by helping her with make-up: Wendy should have followed that lead and gone further to improve herself and her outlook. And, isn't it scary that someone so unnecessarily competitive is a mother? I suppose what I mean by all this is that Wendy has low self-esteem.
The other designers are all extremely likable. Even though I tend to like Austin and enjoy seeing his work, his taste is too little-girl fantasy/feminine, for the most part,at least so far. As for Jay, outside of the fabulous art-deco dress, I have not seen much else I would like to wear. Kara Saun's work is somewhere in the middle, but I cannot quite identify with her clothing yet, either.
NewObserver
February 7, 2005 - 05:24 AM
snicker> I'm trying to imagine Wendy with a pen moustache...heh. I agree, attack her, because clearly she's made the game that way, but to deliberately ruin a picture of her daughter is just mean and uncalled for. It takes it out of the realm of the show. As mean as Wendy has been, she hasn't taken it to that personal of a level, she attacks within the confines of the show. Is it unnecessary for her to do all that? Of course! But that retaliation took things too far.
I agree about the retaliation. As I mentioned on another message board, it was the act of a coward. Wendy made her remarks so everyone heard her and was apparently willing to take the heat for it. Sneaking around and defacing her daughter's picture and not "taking credit" for it is just cowardly.
musclemonkey
February 7, 2005 - 05:38 AM
It may not have been any of the other 3. It could have been someone that left already or Wendy herself. I thought the mustache thing was hilarious. Sorry I didn't think of it.
NewObserver
February 7, 2005 - 05:40 AM
To add to that, Kara stated that you-know-who wasn't the least bit broken up about eliminating Morganza, whereas we've previously seen a lot of designers feel badly about being the last one, or sending home someone previously familiar to them. You-know-who doesn't have a conscious, whereas we've seen Robert did. He hated elimating a model weeks ago when he went last.
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Excuse me, but I didn't see anyone else choose Morgan. By now, they all know she is poison. Wendy said that the reason she didn't choose Morgan was because of Morgan's history (not showing up, destroying Kevin's bathing suit, etc.) and that to have Morgan in the mix would have added too much tension to an already too-tense situation. Her explanation to Morgan was probably unnecessary, but Morgan is no saint. Does Morgan's elimination explain why Julia went missing on Jay for the runway show? The producers had to add some tension. Was Morgan a "plant" also, i.e., Morgan, you're our troublemaker among the models?
sarahcatherine
February 7, 2005 - 06:16 AM
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She spoke so kindly and sweetly to Morgan (the pscyho model, but that's another discussion), making her think she was going to pick her, right up to the point where Morgan said "Oh, you're going to make me cry" -- and then Wendy turned and picked the other model instead. There was NO need for that. That move didn't further Wendy's career; it didn't bring her closer to fashion week. There was no professional motivation for that; it was just pure malicious spite. For me, it was the most horrible moment of this whole series. It was indefensible.
I saw it that way, too, but my boyfriend (who's usually way more judgemental of people than I am...I try to be diplomatic, but man some people make it hard) thinks that Wendy is just so socially inept that she didn't realize what she was saying was coming across the way it did. He thought that she was, in her own messed up way, trying to apologize for picking Melissa.
I don't know if I buy that or not, but I would like to think that she would reserve her underhandedness for other designers and that what she said/did was really just not knowing how to handle the situation.
umniza
February 7, 2005 - 07:56 AM
I watched the Postal uniform episode today again. I just don't see what was so horrible about Rob's outfit. (I'm not his fan, BTW). It was definately too casual, agreed. But where did the shirt make Olga look lumpy, as Tim said? I think they are just making staff up to justify the producers' choice to keep Wendy, and it's not working very well. So, ok, the top was too casual. The idea of shorts/pants was pretty good, IMHO. For example, I lived in Boulder, CO for a while. It was freezing in the morning and hot as hell in the afternoon. If I was working for Post Office, I'd love to be able to have pants turn into shorts. Also, that remark by Elle magazine chick (that Rob has no business being there) only discredited the judges themselves. I agree with whoever said this show really does discredit these judges.
iowahousewife
February 7, 2005 - 08:10 AM
I think this show makes the judges look like idiots some of the time. I hope they give us more in season two! I would love to see them accumulate points, but I don't want the whole survivor drama going on as to forming alliances, etc... Since the "judges" we see on tv are not really the judges who decide what happens, obviously - why not have the designers themselves vote who should leave each time and at least show the result if not consider it. Better yet - let all the designers rank the outfits from best to worst each time, excluding their own. Those rankings could be tallied or averaged and considered with the point accumulation. It would be hard to be objective though as a designer.
As far as challenges - here's some ideas I would love to see:
1)I would love to see them make something for a MAN! How crazy is that? I know women drive the fashion industry, but the market for men is growing leaps and bounds. I'd love to see what Austin or Jay would do for a man, even Kara - all of them.
2)I'd like to see them all given the same material, same quantity and they have to each come up with their own design using it. It could be a dress, suit, swimsuit, halter and shorts - anything goes. (I guess that is similar to the cotton challenge, but I'm thinking a satin or something and they cannot dye it)
3) I would like to see one episode where they use plus size models (give the skinnies a break one episode - send them out to dinner or something) and the designs are every day wear or evening wear
4) I would love to have them design something for themselves - something they would wear and then they have to model it and explain it.
5)Similar to the Rock Star challenge - would be fun to have teams do an Oscar or Grammy dress for a nominee and the winners dress will be worn to the show.
Anyway - just thinking out loud.
lisakaz
February 7, 2005 - 08:11 AM
Apparently, you didn't follow the earlier conversation. First, she tried to say she did this for the team. It was total bunk; no one had to work with Morganza but her. Second, my point (and Kara's) was how hypocritical it was to give that long speech to set her up into thinking she would get chosen and then pull the rug out. It was typical for her and here even more unnecessary than usual. This comment had nothing to do with Julia. For the designers, Kevin's experience with Morgan (she lied perhaps in not changing or just failed to preserve his design) was the las straw. No one wanted to be eliminated because Morgan ruined the clothes. Obviously, Wendy got that point, but her excuse was self-serving tripe, proven by the fact that she didn't bemoan eliminating her "friend" at all.
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ThomsTeddyBear
February 7, 2005 - 08:22 AM
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I got it paused on my TiVo. I'm trying to see how much reflects from the bathroom mirror...lol. Heh, BEEFCAKE!
lk
Omg! You are so bad! LOL
PRaddict
February 7, 2005 - 08:23 AM
a long time ago. Or to those that mention that other more talented designers were eliminated before her. Who exactly should still be around?
Daniel who designed a paper and garbage bag creation that looks like something any 3rd grader could make?
Mario who's major talent seemed to be wrapping fabric around models?
Starr who regardless of her designing talent certainly could not emotionally handle the fashion industry?
Vanessa who readily admitted she wasn't much of a seamstress?
Nora, the active wear designer who couldn't inject even an iota of herself into the wedding gown challenge?
Alexandra, who wasn't even bright enough to think that stealing ideas might not be a good thing to mention on the runway? And to be honest her clothes weren't very extraordinary or well-fitted either.
Kevin who messed up two chances at leadership? (how the won the rock star challenge with that heinous creation, I have no idea) Had his bride in tears (and was that dress really something that couldn't come off the rack as they said of Nora's dress?). He put sleeves on a bathing suit? His collection design looked nothing like the rest of the collection.
Robert, who thinks that in 50 years, humans will evolve to run on the energy of the sun? Who designed a baggy bathing suit?
Which of these fashion geniuses are sooo much better than Wendy that it's such an outrage that she's still in the game????
Sometimes I wonder if I've been watching the same show as the rest of you.
sarahcatherine
February 7, 2005 - 08:26 AM
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I watched the Postal uniform episode today again. I just don't see what was so horrible about Rob's outfit. (I'm not his fan, BTW). It was definately too casual, agreed. But where did the shirt make Olga look lumpy, as Tim said? I think they are just making staff up to justify the producers' choice to keep Wendy, and it's not working very well. So, ok, the top was too casual. The idea of shorts/pants was pretty good, IMHO. For example, I lived in Boulder, CO for a while. It was freezing in the morning and hot as hell in the afternoon. If I was working for Post Office, I'd love to be able to have pants turn into shorts. Also, that remark by Elle magazine chick (that Rob has no business being there) only discredited the judges themselves. I agree with whoever said this show really does discredit these judges.
The whole outfit was way too casual, and while I also didn't think the shirt made Olga look "lumpy", it wasn't very flattering on her. Also, looking at Robert's compared to the other four, it really looked like he didn't put much effort into his design...or rather, he didn't put much effort into the execution of his design. Wendy's, as boring as it was, was complete, tailored, and gave a lot of consideration to the function of the uniform (i.e. the velcro for holding the bag on the shoulder).
Robert probably didn't have any business being there. It's always been his explinations that have gotten him through sticky situations, and I think he just couldn't pull enough words out to make this outfit work. Seriously, you can use the pants at the gym? He was totally scrambling for something extra to say about his outfit, and that one just flopped.
The shame of it is the glimpses of his sketches for the postal design looked interesting, at least. There was a lot more details and it looked more structured. I wonder if it's that he can imagine what it should look like and just lacks the technical/time management skills to complete his work in the time allowed.
Am I the only one who thinks the judges are doing a good job?
birdaileen
February 7, 2005 - 08:48 AM
Let me address your claims one by one (all respectfully, this is not a personal attack, just bringing in counter-arguments):
"Daniel who designed a paper and garbage bag creation that looks like something any 3rd grader could make?"
AT LEAST DANIEL MADE SOMETHING, AND HE DID TAILOR THE JACKET. I COULD HAVE EATEN CANDY AND SPIT IT OUT AT A MODEL AND CAME UP WITH THE SAME 'DESIGN' WENDY DID.
Mario who's major talent seemed to be wrapping fabric around models?
ARE WE GRADING HOW THEY MAKE THINGS OR WHAT THEY ACTUALLY MAKE? MARIO'S SHOWER CURTAIN GOWN WAS GORGEOUS ON ERIN, AND THE WHITE TUBE DRESS WAS A LOT SEXIER THAN WENDY'S UNFINISHED GREEN/BROWN SMOCK.
Starr who regardless of her designing talent certainly could not emotionally handle the fashion industry?
IS THIS TO SAY THAT WENDY, WITH HER ABILITY TO MAKE SO MANY PEOPLE FEEL REVULSION FOR HER AND WHAT SHE DOES, IS BETTER SUITED TO THE FASHION INDUSTRY, WHERE SHE MUST CONVINCE PEOPLE TO ENTRUST THEIR IMAGE INTO HER HANDS?
Vanessa who readily admitted she wasn't much of a seamstress?
VANESSA MAY SAY, IN HUMILITY, WHATEVER SHE WANTS-- BUT WENDY'S CANDY BIKINI MELTED, HER 2055 DRESS FELL APART ON THE RUNWAY, AND HER SELF-PROFESSED 'MOST EMBARASSING MOMENT' WAS WHEN SHE DESIGNED A GOWN FOR A BALLERINA WHICH CAME APART AS THE WOMAN LEFT THE ROOM! WHO IS THE POOR SEAMSTRESS ACCORDING TO THESE FACTS?
Nora, the active wear designer who couldn't inject even an iota of herself into the wedding gown challenge?
AND WHAT WAS WENDY'S SIGNATURE? OVERDONE ASYMMETRY IN EVERY DESIGN, TO THE POINT WHERE EVEN TIM WRITES FOR HER TO STOP ALREADY?
Alexandra, who wasn't even bright enough to think that stealing ideas might not be a good thing to mention on the runway? And to be honest her clothes weren't very extraordinary or well-fitted either.
I SUPPOSE WENDY'S ADMITTING THAT THE BOTTOM HALF OF HER BATHING SUIT WAS UNWEARABLE WAS A WISER THING TO SAY ON THE RUNWAY?
Kevin who messed up two chances at leadership? (how the won the rock star challenge with that heinous creation, I have no idea)
KEVIN'S FIRST "FAILURE" GOT THE JOB DONE, PLEASED THE CLIENT, AND WON THE CHALLENGE.
HIS SECOND "FAILURE" AT LEADERSHIP WAS REMARKED UPON ONLY BY THE WOMAN WHO FROM THE BEGINNING SAID SHE WOULD NOT BE A TEAM PLAYER, AND WHO ON HER SITE ADMITTED TO "RESORTING TO TRASHING KEVIN" TO SAVE HERSELF AND HEW WEAK DESIGN.
Had his bride in tears (and was that dress really something that couldn't come off the rack as they said of Nora's dress?).
KEVIN HAD TO DEAL WITH A DIFFICULT AND STUBBORN MODEL, AND HE MANAGED TO (UNLIKE NORA) KEEP AS MUCH OF OLGA'S IDEA AS WOULD NOT BE TOO GARISH. HE BLENDED HIS VISION AND OLGA'S. THAT WAS THE CHALLENGE. IT IS A LOT EASIER WHEN YOU HAVE A MODEL LIKE JOY, WHO SAYS DO ANYTHING YOU WANT JUST ADD RED. AND WENDY STILL MADE A GOWN I WOULDN'T WEAR DOWN THE AISLE.
He put sleeves on a bathing suit?
INNOVATIVE AND FUN. AT LEAST IT HAD BOTTOMS!
His collection design looked nothing like the rest of the collection. IT DID LOOK LIKE THE COLLECTION-- IT WAS A HIGHER TIER OF UNIFORM. IN THE END, WHICH DESIGN DID YOU LIKE BETTER, HIS OR WENDY'S CAT-SPEWED KNIT?
Robert, who thinks that in 50 years, humans will evolve to run on the energy of the sun? Who designed a baggy bathing suit? LET'S NOT GET INTO SCIENCE. SOLAR POWER WILL BE IMPORTANT IN THE FUTURE, IN WAYS I AM SURE WE CAN NOT NOW IMAGINE. HIS BATHING SUIT COULD HAVE FIT OLGA BETTER, BUT AT LEAST IT WAS FINISHED.
Which of these fashion geniuses are sooo much better than Wendy that it's such an outrage that she's still in the game???? ALL OF THESE PEOPLE CAN BE DEFENDED, AND WHAT IS MORE TELLING IS THAT IN EVERY CASE, WENDY IS RIGHT THERE WITH THEM. THEY MAY HAVE WEAKER WEEKS, BUT SHE IS GENERALLY WEAK ALL THE TIME.
just my opinion-- not a personal attack in any way.-- ba
paillette
February 7, 2005 - 08:48 AM
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Robert, who thinks that in 50 years, humans will evolve to run on the energy of the sun? Who designed a baggy bathing suit?
LOL! That "solar energy panel" idea got me too!
nabakov5
February 7, 2005 - 08:59 AM
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Robert, who thinks that in 50 years, humans will evolve to run on the energy of the sun? Who designed a baggy bathing suit?
LOL! That "solar energy panel" idea got me too!
so true....solar panels?....don't solar panels only function as a heat source....wouldn't robert also have to include a complicated system of hydrolics and current transformers to change solar energy into personal energy?...and then whoever was wearing the thing would have to be "plugged in"....good lord...it was completely laughable....but, as we've seen before...for some reason the judges were all to eager to swallow whatever robert fed them....just another indication to me that eliminations were predetermined and that they had nothing to do with the designs....KEVIN...I CAN SPEAK RUSSIAN (not really, but damn if i won't learn for you)
birdaileen
February 7, 2005 - 09:04 AM
quote: KEVIN...I CAN SPEAK RUSSIAN (not really, but damn if i won't learn for you)
haha, nice.
ThomsTeddyBear
February 7, 2005 - 09:06 AM
(Answers in red)
"a long time ago. Or to those that mention that other more talented designers were eliminated before her. Who exactly should still be around?
Daniel who designed a paper and garbage bag creation that looks like something any 3rd grader could make?"
Better than a candy bikini that falls to pieces all over the stage.
"Mario who's major talent seemed to be wrapping fabric around models?"
Mario's downfall was laziness, not unfinished work like Wendy's. Even then, Mario's shower curtain dress was more beautiful than anything Wendy has made so far.
"Starr who regardless of her designing talent certainly could not emotionally handle the fashion industry?"
"Vanessa who readily admitted she wasn't much of a seamstress?"
And who for someone who admited that, can STILL sew circles around Wendy. I didn't see any clothes falling apart or zippers hanging out, did you?
"Nora, the active wear designer who couldn't inject even an iota of herself into the wedding gown challenge?"
That and her immature tantrum were her ONLY downfall.
"Alexandra, who wasn't even bright enough to think that stealing ideas might not be a good thing to mention on the runway? And to be honest her clothes weren't very extraordinary or well-fitted either."
And Wendy's were? And again, Alexandra's clothes were finished.
"Kevin who messed up two chances at leadership? (how the won the rock star challenge with that heinous creation, I have no idea) Had his bride in tears (and was that dress really something that couldn't come off the rack as they said of Nora's dress?). He put sleeves on a bathing suit? His collection design looked nothing like the rest of the collection."
Kevin has more skill in his baby toe than Wendy could EVER wish for. He's got enough leadership skill to make his own kick-@$$ collection on his site AND people are loving it. And if people can swim in wet suits then some barely cover the shoulder sleeves aren't going to kill them unless they're complete morons. The suit was brilliant.
"Robert, who thinks that in 50 years, humans will evolve to run on the energy of the sun? Who designed a baggy bathing suit?"
I'd rather see hit and miss with a nice personality than a bunch of misses and one hit with a hideous personality.
"Which of these fashion geniuses are sooo much better than Wendy that it's such an outrage that she's still in the game????
Sometimes I wonder if I've been watching the same show as the rest of you."
You've probably been watching Survivor
ThomsTeddyBear
February 7, 2005 - 09:12 AM
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....KEVIN...I CAN SPEAK RUSSIAN (not really, but damn if i won't learn for you)
lol - if anyone deserves to be contacted by Kevin, it's you!
birdaileen
February 7, 2005 - 09:12 AM
i like the way you think, thom ! =)
ThomsTeddyBear
February 7, 2005 - 09:15 AM
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i like the way you think, thom ! =)
Thank ya, bird lady
Gherk
February 7, 2005 - 09:15 AM
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I think Wendy has actually taken it a step further as well. Granted, for the most part, she has just back-stabbed her fellow designers. But the incident that finally convinced me that she was a true sociopath was when she selected her model in the last round. She spoke so kindly and sweetly to Morgan (the pscyho model, but that's another discussion), making her think she was going to pick her, right up to the point where Morgan said "Oh, you're going to make me cry" -- and then Wendy turned and picked the other model instead. There was NO need for that. That move didn't further Wendy's career; it didn't bring her closer to fashion week. There was no professional motivation for that; it was just pure malicious spite. For me, it was the most horrible moment of this whole series. It was indefensible.
Wendy would make a great candidate to run Abu Ghraib.
I don't know about her running a POW camp, but I certainly agree about her bizarre and hurtful behavior towards Morgan. She built her up so much, and referred to this big special relationship - come on, they only knew each other for a few weeks, and part of her comforting Morgan was about her "mother hen" strategy. That incident was gross and disturbing.
jooles
February 7, 2005 - 09:42 AM
If you want to find out who gets cut this week and whose work is shown at Fashion Week (it was shown on Fri Feb 4), there's an easy way to find out. Go to gettyimages.com and click do an "editorial search." Do a search for each of the final 4 designers:
Kara Saun
Wendy Pepper
Austin Scarlett
Jay Maccavvoll
Photos from the runway show will come up for only 3 designers! The designer who gets cut this week won't show any photos from the show.
The findings are somewhat surprising!
birdaileen
February 7, 2005 - 09:50 AM
actually they all come up-- you misspelled Jay's name- it is Jay McCarroll
we don't know yet which person was the "decoy" but all four did show items in the show.
jooles
February 7, 2005 - 09:51 AM
My mistake - all four designers had collections shown at Friday's show. There had been a misspelling of Jay's last name - it's really McCarroll.
Anyway, it's still worth going to gettyimages.com to view the collections. I think Kara's is far superior to the rest.
musclemonkey
February 7, 2005 - 10:02 AM
who's better? ANY ONE WHO CAN SEW!!!!!
sfchick
February 7, 2005 - 10:17 AM
Just another item regarding Fashion Week- I just saw this in the San Francisco Chronicle this morning. I apologize if it's a repeat. I was surprised at the reporter's glowing reviews of Wendy's collection given the previous articles. Then again, no one ever accused San Francisco of being the center of the fashion world...
NY FASHION DIARY
It's autumn on the runways in the Big Apple
Sylvia Rubin
Monday, February 7, 2005
New York -- Olympus Fashion Week opened here Friday, bringing with it a balmy weekend and the first indicator of spring from those in the audience -- chunky bead necklaces. Haven't seen this much jewelry since the '80s.
But on the runways, it's fall. As always, Kenneth Cole opened fashion week. His safe take on comfortable jersey dresses, sweater jackets, big duffel coats, funnel neck sweaters, and pleated trousers, leggings and the occasional pencil skirt.
Bravo's "Project Runway'' gave four unknown designers a crack at the big time. The most successful were Jay McCarroll's layered street-wear collection, which included quilted wraps, layered ruffle skirts, shawl collared cardigans and shredded skirts; and Wendy Pepper's polished collection of day and evening wear, like a multicolored feather corset over a pink silk velvet evening skirt.
Richard Tyler, one of fashion's nicest guys, took some heat this week for his "Runway to Runway'' show, his first under Delta Airlines sponsorship. The Delta uniforms outnumbered his evening wear on the runway. "Did that show make you as sad as it made me?'' asked one important retailer.
Yes, and no. Tyler clearly needs sponsorship to stay alive. His new uniforms -- like shapely navy shirtwaist dresses and perfectly fitted jackets, pencil skirts and boot-cut pants, and some really hot red taffeta wrap dresses (for Saturday night flights?) -- are certainly an improvement.
Dalloway
February 7, 2005 - 10:25 AM
More fun reading re: La Pepper
Here's a link to a recent article/interview with Wendy in which she comments about how she "wasn't popular" with the other designers. Fun reading. And a few insights into her approach to the competition. It says she's a fan of shows like "Survivor" and "Joe Millionaire".
http://www.citizenet.com/fun/articles/0203...05/style1.shtml
DJCaliboii79
February 7, 2005 - 10:33 AM
If you go to cnn.com and click on the fashion thing it shows 1 piece from kara, jay and wendy (rolleyes) so I guess austin is out, if thats the case that dude was ROOOBBED!
ThomsTeddyBear
February 7, 2005 - 11:12 AM
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More fun reading re: La Pepper
Here's a link to a recent article/interview with Wendy in which she comments about how she "wasn't popular" with the other designers. Fun reading. And a few insights into her approach to the competition. It says she's a fan of shows like "Survivor" and "Joe Millionaire".
http://www.citizenet.com/fun/articles/0203...05/style1.shtml
[...where she posts her reaction to each episode, viewers can contact her with their comments.
"Some are wonderful. Some are awful and demented," says Ms. Pepper.
Even more scathing have been some comments posted by viewers on the "Project Runway" message board. Each week dozens of viewers rant about what they perceive as the miscarriage of justice in the show's judging. There are running debates over the sexual orientation of the male designers. Another recurrent theme is outrage over Wendy's continued presence on the show.
"That's been kind of a hard thing to come to terms with," admits Ms. Pepper. "There are people who, for whatever reason, aren't going to like me."]
IS SHE KIDDING ME??!! SHE'S WONDERING WHY??!! Wendy, if you are reading this, GO BACK AND WATCH EVERY EPISODE AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU SPEW FROM YOUR OWN MOUTH! What, did editors put friggin' little microphones in there and say all that crap via remote? YOU SAID IT YOURSELF! Now you're wondering why you're loathed so much? Unbelieveable!
Chinchilla3
February 7, 2005 - 11:19 AM
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IS SHE KIDDING ME??!! SHE'S WONDERING WHY??!! Wendy, if you are reading this, GO BACK AND WATCH EVERY EPISODE AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU SPEW FROM YOUR OWN MOUTH! What, did editors put friggin' little microphones in there and say all that crap via remote? YOU SAID IT YOURSELF! Now you're wondering why you're loathed so much? Unbelieveable!
lol Mr. Bear, you're gonna give yourself a heart attack one of these days.
angeedee
February 7, 2005 - 11:19 AM
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You guys are being silly...it IS a reality show. It's not Fashion with Elsa Klensch (sic). If you read most of the articles on magazines like Entertainment Weekly, and websites like Salon.com, one of the "selling" points is the presence of Wendy. I know plenty of people who watch it for the drama as much as the clothes. The "core" you refer to seems to be the 100 or so folks that post in these boards that just want to have a sewing show that you can sit down and sip some chamomille tea while watching. Trust me, Bravo knows what they're doing and they're getting the ratings to show for it.
Although I've only drank chamomile tea once in my life, I'm one of those who would like to see the show focus more on the creativity and skill of the designers. After all, Heidi Klum and the people at Bravo actually marketed this show as a 'documentary' of what it takes in the fashion industry so the 'villain' stuff just came off as, frankly, really stupid. Not only that but some very talented people, MORE talented people, were eliminated from the show to stage this 'drama' and let's face it, it wasn't like Emmy-winning drama, it was dumb. I've said it before and I'll say it again - as a mom in my mid-thirties, I would have whole-heartedly rooted for Wendy - she's doing something that would be like a dream for me since I was a would-be designer at one time (in my youth and before husband and kids!). But they made her look (and I guess she made herself look) just. . .bad. Not entertainingly bad to me. Just bad.
And BTW, everyone has a right to their opinion and what they think the show should be and could be. And one more thing. . .read the disclaimer at the end of the show. This ain't no "reality show".
well said, mom.
Like many in America, I'm just holding my nose until these exhibitionist "reality" shows go the way of the do-do.
survivor and all the rest of its ilk isn't in any way reality. nobody eats bugs to earn a car in real life. that's absurd.
what these "reality" shows are is a blood-sucking corporate media world paying human beings to humiliate themselves for money, fame or attention, whichever the case may be.
I do not believe that we, as a culture, can't do better than that.
And you can say what you like about chamomile tea-sipping hippy chicks who sew.
I do not believe that a program based on a true, talent-based competition which shows the details of that competition can't be successful.
isn't that what an NBA game is?
isn't that what the olympics are?
are you saying you don't believe anyone will watch talented individuals compete based on their skill?
did you check the ratings on the super bowl yesterday????
angeedee
February 7, 2005 - 11:27 AM
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quote: I said it before and I'll say it again: I rather see Wendy's dowdy clothes than Austin's overprettified garments on the top 3.
i respectfully disagree. i think austin has a real flair for high fashion and only sometimes goes over the top, and this only in a ready-to-wear context. wendy more often, or at least as often, if you'd like, misses way low, creating designs which leave the model unflattered and unfinished.
I agree....
I have never been a member of austin's coven, but the difference between wendy and austin is that austin is capable of creating something. wendy just isn't.
she's a dressmaker. and not a very good one, as her clothes rarely fit the person on whom they are hanging. and i do mean hanging.
austin, whether you find his vision appealing or not, creates things. he creates an image. his clothing generally (except for that wedding dress, oye) fits beautifully, catches your attention and, whether you like or not, you will have to admit it looks like nothing else.
In a few years, i believe we will all be hearing austin's name, albiet perhaps in another arena (like costume design)....
i don't think we can say the same for old wendy.
paillette
February 7, 2005 - 11:29 AM
One of the things I continually am struck by is how differently Wendy sees herself from someone like Kara. I believe they are only about 2-3 years apart in age, but what a world of difference in terms of their outlook. (I will leave Kevin aside, since his true age is a mystery!)
I suppose it has something to do with Wendy being a mother from a (rural? suburban?) setting, and Kara being an urban single person. But both Wendy and her designs seem so matronly, and Kara and her designs are so hip! What distinct approaches they have to the question of aging! Kara recognizes that getting close to 40 (though she's not there yet) doesn't mean that you can't be youthful in your outlook and self-presentation. Wendy and her designs seem to belong to an entirely different generation than Kara's, yet they are fairly close peers.
ThomsTeddyBear
February 7, 2005 - 11:31 AM
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IS SHE KIDDING ME??!! SHE'S WONDERING WHY??!! Wendy, if you are reading this, GO BACK AND WATCH EVERY EPISODE AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU SPEW FROM YOUR OWN MOUTH! What, did editors put friggin' little microphones in there and say all that crap via remote? YOU SAID IT YOURSELF! Now you're wondering why you're loathed so much? Unbelieveable!
lol Mr. Bear, you're gonna give yourself a heart attack one of these days.
The Superbowl ain't got nothing on this suspense, lol
Oh, I'm on an aspirin therapy regimine but by the time they announce the final three, I'll be downing the whole bottle like water!
sarahcatherine
February 7, 2005 - 11:33 AM
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Like many in America, I'm just holding my nose until these exhibitionist "reality" shows go the way of the do-do.
survivor and all the rest of its ilk isn't in any way reality. nobody eats bugs to earn a car in real life. that's absurd.
what these "reality" shows are is a blood-sucking corporate media world paying human beings to humiliate themselves for money, fame or attention, whichever the case may be.
I do not believe that we, as a culture, can't do better than that.
And you can say what you like about chamomile tea-sipping hippy chicks who sew.
I do not believe that a program based on a true, talent-based competition which shows the details of that competition can't be successful.
isn't that what an NBA game is?
isn't that what the olympics are?
are you saying you don't believe anyone will watch talented individuals compete based on their skill?
did you check the ratings on the super bowl yesterday????
Sports is a different animal, though, especially when it comes to television viewing. Sure the ratings are high for the Super Bowl, it has a very long history, a *lot* of dedication, a half time show, commentators, super expensive/well done commercials (I know people who watch specifically to see the commercials) and there's a lot of specific drama surrounding the whole kit and kaboodle.
Part of why sports does so well is the same reason "reality" tv shows have been doing so well, the drama surrounding competition. Sports is not just about tuning in to see the best competitors, it's about seeing your favorite team, it's about *having* a favorite team, even if they're not the best in the league. Think about the last World Series, and it's easy to see the "longshot" and the "villan", the "underdog" and so forth.
I think the reason this show has done as well as it has is because it understands the need for the drama as well as the actual talent side to it. Project Runway, American Idol...these shows, whether you like them or not, *get* the formula that the sports examples you gave have worked with for many many years. I agree that shows like Survivor are lame and can not wait for them to fade away..but it's because there is no "talent" to eating a bug or getting rained on.
The question wasn't directed at me, but I'll answer it anyway. No, I don't believe people would tune in just to watch talented individuals compete based on their skill, and even if they did, they would quickly add the dramatic element on their own by having their favorites, their villans, and tune in to watch how they fare. There are shows out there that have talented people compete with little to no drama (mostly on the Home and Garden Television and DIY networks) and their ratings/appeal are nothing compared to Project Runway.
angeedee
February 7, 2005 - 11:36 AM
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OK, I looked at the pictures, and my favorite is ... Jay. I'm surprised. I've always thought he was in the top 3, but he really shone at Fashion Week. His blue sweater and miniskirt were amazing, just fabulous. His outfits were all wildly creative but still wearable, really something. The man is good.
Kara's stuff was good, as always, but the plunging necklines don't do it for me. So few people can wear stuff like that. I like her as a person the best, so I'll be very happy if either she or Jay wins.
The only problem is -- I don't see Jay working for Banana Republic. He's waaaaay too edgy for them. Kara could modulate herself to work for them; Jay couldn't (and shouldn't, in my opinion -- he's better than that).
Austin's stuff is always fun and pretty, and he didn't disappoint. Yes, his theatrical/costume side came out in spades; I think, frankly, he designs for himself and for drag shows, not for women. (Please don't kill me for saying that.) Two notable exceptions: his Banana Republic dress, which was marvelous, and his bathing suit. But his Fashion Week stuff puts him back squarely into caricature again, even though it's all loads of fun, as is he. I think he has a ton of talent, and I'd love to see what he could do when he matures a bit as a designer.
Wendy's stuff wasn't awful. Some of it surprised me; one outfit shocked me (was hers the one with the see-through bodice??). I wouldn't say any of it was dowdy, exactly, just not very creative. A few of the outfits were genuinely decent, and I could see a wide variety of women wearing her clothes -- something that couldn't be said for the other designers.
So in the end, I have a problem: I think Jay's collection was the most outstanding, but I think Wendy would fit in best at Banana Republic. (Can any of you honestly see Austin working there??) Well, guess we'll see what shakes out eventually. If Jay doesn't win, though, I'd love to see a more edgy design house snap him up.
I'm a die-hard Austin fan, but I have to agree with you. Wendy's designs are so simple that she would fit right in with Banana Republic. But excuse me... fit right in? there's where I think the show went wrong. What they should have done is given two prizes to different people, depending on their talents. The BRship would go great to Wendy or Kara; then the money should go to Austin or Jay. I'm guessing because they don't have a website and are both at the start of their design careers, they deserve it. They both have so much passion and I would just love to see them both with what they could do if they were given some start-up capital. If and when I'm rich enough, I'll buy their designs for sure.
i've posted this before, maybe I should again.
I don't know if any of you have any experience with interships at design houses, but apparently not.
they are not brainwashing indoctrination processes.
they give a young designer a chance to work in the business. working for a design house is not aimed at crushing your style or individuality, but giving you a chance to experience the business.
so you shouldn't assume that an internship would not be good for someone like jay. it would be great for him, becuase he could learn the business.
In any even, I don't think that, even if BR was trying to pick someone based on their style, that BR would be looking for an intern who matches what they have now.
If BR is into fashion, they don't want anyone who can do what they do now. as kors said, fashion is about what's next.
lafalite
February 7, 2005 - 11:36 AM
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My mistake - all four designers had collections shown at Friday's show. There had been a misspelling of Jay's last name - it's really McCarroll.
Anyway, it's still worth going to gettyimages.com to view the collections. I think Kara's is far superior to the rest.
Yeah, I think they all go to the fashion week; that's why on the comercial they say, "The elimination you never see coming." I have to agree with you, Kara Saun has been the best since the beginning; I would like to see her design for men as well.
Kama
February 7, 2005 - 11:38 AM
I noticed in this article
http://www.citizenet.com/fun/articles/0203...05/style1.shtml that they say Wendy's photo was defaced by an eliminated contestant - so I guess that means Kevin
FOrgive me for asking a redundent question, but frequent mention has been made of what Vanessa and Kara said, yet I have found no link to thsoe comments. Can someone help me?
Thank you,
Kama
Focused
February 7, 2005 - 11:41 AM
According to CNN the top three are Kara, Jay and Wendy??? What the heck is going on? When this show started and into the first 5 episodes I thought this would be one show where the judging would be done based on the talent displayed and not for rating purposes....I was wrong. How in the hell can Wendy be placed in the top three position over Austin when 99.99% of her work was total crap? Austin has won the competition three times second to Kara and yet he is not included? If Heidi wants to continue on a winning streak then the reality show shocking / evil crap must be eliminated and talent must be placed first. Damn is anything these days fair?
angeedee
February 7, 2005 - 11:44 AM
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Agree, Austin is a kid. He's bound to grow.
Kara and Jay were the best of the show.
you're a poet and don't know it.
whattapixie
February 7, 2005 - 11:46 AM
Hi Everyone, this is my first time posting. I have been a big fan of PR since day one.
I have to agree that, without a doubt, Kara, Austin, and Jay are the strongest designers on the show. I fell in love with Austin's work right away and he has remained a constant favorite. Jay, I think, is a shining STAR. So talented and his designs are just the kind of thing girls in Manahattan wanted to wear. I love it.
Kara is very polished and you can tell she has more experience than anyone else - but I am not sure she is as strong as Jay. As the show has progressed I really feel Jay is the strongest designer and should win. The reason I don't think Austin will win, in the end, is that he is so young and doesn't yet have all the tools under his belt that someone like Jay has thanks to experience. If there is any justice the prize will go to Jay or Austin!
I don't have too much more to add to the whole Wendy thing. I was just looking back over all her designs throughout the show and I had really forgotten how bad many of them are. The first one, the candy bikini, was SO bad and SO wrong. She should have been gone right there. She has no vision, no originality, and her designs turned me off WAY before her attitude did. I cannot believe she has made it this far - but I know the producers of the show are keeping her in for ratings. Afterall, we have to have someone to dislike, right?
It is disappointing, however, that because the producers have kept wendy around, the show is less a documentary and more like another soap opera. :/
Looked at all the shows on Getty Images - really think that Jay came out on top. All of Wendy's things looked like they belonged at Kmart.
angeedee
February 7, 2005 - 11:49 AM
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Is it just me or does it seems like when Wendy uses models of color her fashions always lack CLOTHES? It seems like she always wants to put them in very little clothes. For example her 1st challenge---the model practically had no clothes, also for for the swim suit she said she never made a thong...the girls whole butt was out.
I know some will say, "here we go with the race and blah blah" but alas I don't care. She does like the women of color to be damn near naked.
She (Wendy) has issues and her attitude sucks.
She never misses an opportunity to bash another contestant.
She needs to get hers and fast.
perhaps, ethos, but I have to say that I don't think it matters to wendy what color her model is.
all her clothes look like crap.
MAKICA05
February 7, 2005 - 11:49 AM
HE IS A GREAT PERSON AND I PERSONALY LOVE HIS STYLE...I DO NOT LIKE WENDY....
JAY SHOULD WIN..IF GIVEN THE OPORTUNITY HE COULD BE THE NEXT GUCCI....
jmfitz619
February 7, 2005 - 11:53 AM
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Well, lets see who wins. I say Kara. But watchout world, Jay's arrived!
*****POSSIBLE SPOILER*********
I went and looked at the CNN website and read some of the articles about Fashion Week, and as much as I hate to say it, I think the designer that we, as a group of posters have come to know and love was, in fact, the decoy. In the CNN site, photos of Wendy's Jay's and KaraSaun's designs were displayed, but nothing of Austin's that I saw. I think that combined with his dress this week (Don't misunderstand - I thought it was beautiful, but the key is Grammys - but I think the judges were looking for something a little edgy), Austin will be eliminated, leaving the other three to compete.
Having said that, I think Fashion Week will be very enlightening. First, all the critics have bashed Wendy's collection, one commentator even observing a zipper on one dress was falling off (Sound familiar?). As I once said before, this runway show will only serve to display her inadequacies as a designer, and has. Jay will definitely make a name for himself. I don't know that he'll win, because most of his clothes tend to be locked in the R&R mode (Not all, but most). As for Kara, again, I think we can all agree. She'll win. One design in particular on the runway show (A leather suit with chinchilla trim) supposedly drew thunderous applause, and all critics raved.
Which leaves Austin. It seems increasingly improbable that this wonderful young talent will win, but again, everyone, he got to go to Fashion Week. He may not be in the running for the 100K, but in a way, he was given a free gift, getting to show his collection, decoy or not. Remember his name, everyone -Austin Scarlett- It will be coming soon to clothiers and theaters near you.
angeedee
February 7, 2005 - 11:55 AM
Anyway, sue me - I hate Wendy Pepper and any other coniving, manipulating, two-faced person that will step on others and do whatever it takes to get to the top.
LOL!!!
too bad the closest that wendy will get to the top is showing her baggy, bunchy clothes to a bunch of new yorkers who hated them.
you know what i don't understand about wendy?
if she has such contempt for fashion and creativity (e.g. the yahoos comment, her comment about tim's criticism of her orthopaedic shoes, her cover of vogue comment) then why the heck is she making an ass of herself on national television to break into the fashion biz???
don't get it..............
ericats
February 7, 2005 - 11:59 AM
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I noticed in this article http://www.citizenet.com/fun/articles/0203...05/style1.shtml that they say Wendy's photo was defaced by an eliminated contestant - so I guess that means Kevin
Since the cameras were on the contestants all the time and we even saw that they filmed Kevin in the workroom alone, don't you think that if Kevin had really done it that they would have showed it?
Since I now believe that everything that has happened on this show was fabricated (you'll know why after they announce the 3 finalists on Weds.) I think that some PA drew the moustache on the picture per instructions by the producers. If it had been anyone else, it would have been recorded and shown for extra drama.
angeedee
February 7, 2005 - 12:10 PM
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If you want to find out who gets cut this week and whose work is shown at Fashion Week (it was shown on Fri Feb 4), there's an easy way to find out. Go to gettyimages.com and click do an "editorial search." Do a search for each of the final 4 designers:
Kara Saun
Wendy Pepper
Austin Scarlett
Jay Maccavvoll
Photos from the runway show will come up for only 3 designers! The designer who gets cut this week won't show any photos from the show.
The findings are somewhat surprising!
well, honey, if you search with jay's real name it might come up.
oscar
February 7, 2005 - 12:45 PM
I believe the error was already addressed and an apology was offered - - Honey!!
Got your snot in a wad or what?
sassychic
February 7, 2005 - 12:47 PM
I have to agree with you unless it's a way to trick us. But if it is true, I wouldn't watch show again. It would just tell me it's fixed. Plus if it is true, we won't see that collection aired ever. Only the three. That would truly show how much this show would be about ratings, fixing the results, not really wanting to find good designer's to test their skills. Bravo could make up for it by showing that particular designer's collection.