Kaoko
February 10, 2005 - 12:32 AM
I have loved this show all season for its creativity and intelligence. I am sorry to say that I am now convinced the show is rigged towards keeping Wendy on for the drama. She has become their "Omarosa".
You could say I am just paranoid but the funny thing is that several of my coworkers came to the same conclusion completely separately. I am deeply disappointed that the show is evolving into just another overly dramatic reality show. I truly thought it was better than that.
I wonder if the creators of the show realize how transparent this is, and how much they have alienated the devoted fan base they had acquired.
ftrlwyr
February 10, 2005 - 12:32 AM
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I so agree with you. Not Austin!!! How could they pick Nancy as a judge for the final challenge? Come on - we all saw what she wore last year for the Grammys - it looked like something a college kid would wear.
I am so annoyed with Bravo for letting someone with an obvious lack of taste decide the final three! Wendy has had to resort to back-stabbing, whining, crying, and trickery to get where she is at. Thanks Bravo, for proving that talent really doesn't count to get you ahead in the world! Wendy should have been booted off long ago. She'd only won one previous challenge and was ALWAYS on the bottom rung with all the judges.
If the program was really about TALENT, they would have taken all of the designs in relation to tonite's challenge. One fluke win should not be a measuring stick for what is suppose to be a prestigious "contest." The show became Survivor w/ taffeta, the most obnoxious, least talented person gets a stab at the big prize! Thanks for wasting my Wed. nights Bravo!
phillylovesjay
February 10, 2005 - 12:37 AM
How far can talent and vision carry you? The fashion runway is littered with designers whose talent and vision should have carried them far (think Jil Sander when she ran Jil Sander), and filled with those whose mediocre talent can even command an empire (Tom Ford - vision yes, but he's no designer in the traditional sense; Giorgio Armani - definitely tired in my humble opinion). Becoming a worldwide brand and having the stamina to show your collection beyond a handful of seasons requires far more than talent.
For me, Wendy's persistence in this competition brings out important lessons. First, she is a quick study; she picks up ideas and skills with every challenge. Second, she may not be visionary but she responds to designated needs and goals -- part of the reason she's successful with the conservative needs of Banana Republic and Ms. O'Dell.
So where can Wendy Pepper go? What contributions can she make to the fashion industry? The biggest fashion moneymakers, I hate to say, are not the visionaries of Oliver Theyskens or Roland Mouret or Alexander McQueen. They are Liz Claiborne, Jones New York, The Gap, Ellen Tracy, Dana Buchman, etc. Some of them don't even show at Fashion Week. They are not setting the trends but studying them and reinterpreting them largely for most of the American public. In this, I think Wendy can stake a place for herself, and given her persistence, her ambition, and yes, her ruthlessness she may prove to have far longer staying power -- commercially and practically -- than the dreamy Austin, who is fresh and lovely and exciting now, but in four years may seem exhausted and tired without more of a sense of maturity and versatility to his work.
In this I agree with many of Tim's takes and, though I realize this is at its heart, just a TV show, there's enough to Wendy to sit up and really think about what we wear and for what purposes. How many of us have an Alexander McQueen, or a Junya, or a Rick Owens hanging in our closets, and if we do, how many times do we wear it? Are you as certain that when you walk into a Ann Demeulmeister boutique that you'll walk out with something as sure of as you will The Gap? How many of us buy Ann Taylor for work because it's comfortable and it's got a whole lot of colors and the fit is just fine?
There's a place for Jay and Kara and Austin, and many of the other designers who were eliminated early on. But if you want to succeed in one of the most ruthless and cutthroat businesses around, you've got to have a lot of Wendy in you as well.
By the way, anyone who criticizes Wendy's "b*****y" behavior obviously hasn't seen a Vera Wang or Karl Lagerfeld in action. That doesn't mean you succumb to it, it just means behaviour off the runway doesn't necessarily impact one's success on it.
Tejayes
February 10, 2005 - 12:38 AM
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gracieo
February 10, 2005 - 12:41 AM
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bonwan
February 10, 2005 - 12:45 AM
MY MY MY THAT'S ROUGH!
All I can say there is a new face of evil I think it is sad that Wendy has exsposed her nastiness for everyone to see, face it we know the fashion world can be catty, but showing everyone your cattiness is not a good way to reach potential clients, outside of not being fashion forward, what buyer would want to be associated with her after watching they way she has represented herself on this show.
gracieo
February 10, 2005 - 12:47 AM
What am I talking about? You probably "ignored" that post...
ANYWAYS.....LET'S GET BACK TO THE SHOW!!!
I think Jay should win because... he's worked so hard to design out of his comfort zone and doing it successfully. He's got a great personality to boot!
-Kara's great and all, but she's already kind of "made it" if you know what I mean. She's in the biz and designing for Eve & Queen Latifah.
-Wendy should go and work for Lane Bryant. Some of my favorite pieces in the closet are not very practical. I wear Gap more often than not, but those extravagent pieces are so special and have much more value for me than a black tee that I'm going to wear out and throw away in a few months.
Word.
crakker_jakk
February 10, 2005 - 12:52 AM
I too was heartbroken tonight. I didn't mind as much when Austin's other design for that singer "girl on the verge of a nervous breakdown" lost, because she'd had a chance to spend time one on one with the designers and tell them exactly what she wanted and see their sketches before they ever started sewing, but Nancy Odell was there for a minute and a half and then was gone. If her vote was going to be so important, I think she should have spent more time with the designers so they could have had a better idea of what she'd want, bounce sketches and ideas off of her, etc. In tonight's episode the designers almost had to be mind readers as well as designers.
FenrisUlf
February 10, 2005 - 01:01 AM
Oh my God she is such a spiteful person. She has no idea why she's there and as the others pointed out, she is the one that started the whole atmosphere of negativity. ANd whenever someone calls her on it she cries crocodile tears, then says something like "These are all idiots and I have a gameplan".
I agree that this show has degenerated because of Wendy. It was a sharp, intelligent competition based on the designers with talent. Then it became another Big Brother type of show. This week I was really worried Kara or Jay would go.
Austin has been annoying at times but in the last couple weeks he redeemed himself for me and returned to being the fun, starry-eyed designer he started out as (as opposed to the phoney baloney Austin from a couple shows ago). I'm not entirely sad to see him go but Wendy did not deserve to be in the final 5, let alone the top 3.
FInal 5 should have been: Jay KaraSaun Austin Kevin Alexandra (or possibly Vanessa)
Wendy has done one good dress this whole time, a lot of average ones and a LOT of crap. What's more no one from the past shows will want to work with her. And what's even more I don't think people will want to buy her stuff now that they see who she really is.
Okay I"m done talking about her. It's a pity. She did this to herself. I liked her a lot toward the beginning and she definitely had the underdog vote.
crakker_jakk
February 10, 2005 - 01:07 AM
Question: Who do you think drew the 'stache on Wendy's daughter's pic?? Just wondering what everyone thinks..
gracieo
February 10, 2005 - 01:10 AM
I think the producers did that...
Kaoko
February 10, 2005 - 01:12 AM
Everyone I know guessed Wendy did it herself. She seems that nutty and her crying over it did not seem sincere.
gracieo
February 10, 2005 - 01:13 AM
I've heard that some people think it's Kevin... which is plausible because he is very passive aggressive.
But if it had been Kevin, don't you think that they would have caught that on tape?
crakker_jakk
February 10, 2005 - 01:16 AM
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I've heard that some people think it's Kevin... which is plausible because he is very passive aggressive.
But if it had been Kevin, don't you think that they would have caught that on tape?
I've wondered about that myself. Whoever did it, how did the cameras miss that?
gracieo
February 10, 2005 - 01:20 AM
Oooh Kaoko, that would be good now wouldn't it?
She did stress the fact that it was her "only" copy. But then in the next epi, she was printing pics off a digital camera...hmmmmm???
ftrlwyr
February 10, 2005 - 01:20 AM
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I am sick and tired of all this "I'm not watching anymore" and "This show officially sucks" and "Wendy ruined this show" and etc! Give it a rest! Wendy may be conniving and ruthless, but in today's market, that's a good quality (believe it or not). Plus, she needs to be considering she doesn't have the design education the others had.
Well the problem with Wendy though, is we've already seen the "bad girl." She's the Omarosa of PR. True the show is very manufactured and it's so apparent that Wendy was a "plant" as others suggested to keep the drama in the show. But, gee, I guess some of us are just tired of the same old "reality show formula." Like others that have posted their frustration, I just crave "real" originality instead of these "manufactured" reality shows.
rufusblue
February 10, 2005 - 01:24 AM
If you go back and watch the preview, I think Jay is bitching about Vanessa as she is in the direction in which he is speaking. Wendy is on the the right and front of him. And I think it's Vanessa who leaves and not Wendy. Afterall Vanessa is one of the two designers, along with Kevin, who did not show up for the Fashion Week show. Just a hunch.
Huggycub35
February 10, 2005 - 01:53 AM
Excuse me people, but I'm a big fan of the show and all I can say is these judges are extremely fair. Austin designs for Austin, instead of the client. I don't like Wendy either but at least she trys to meet the clients needs. Wendy's postal outfit was a lot more wearable then Austins. It's his own fault he is out. The judges have tried to be fair and have made the right choice every single time. GOOD JOB!
Huggycub35
February 10, 2005 - 01:58 AM
I think Morgan drew the mustache.
Alina_WarRose
February 10, 2005 - 02:05 AM
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Austin Scarlett is a beautiful specimen. His persona and genius are beyond human comprehension and sking as alabaster. As Einstein transformed space and time, so does Austin transfigure energy toward his own devious designs. Only God Almighty on his throne can resist the incontravertible -- foxy -- glorius -- sinisterly heavenly sphinx that is Austin. Buono fortunato, mio figlio.
I completely agree with you. He is one of the main reasons why I tuned into PR. He is quite simply one of the most beautiful human beings I have ever laid eyes upon. I absolutely love his personality and his designs. Especially his classic as well as 18th century revivals.
I really look forward to the day I can walk into his store and be surrounded by his works of art. His designs and styles are what I've always dreamed of wearing.
I just wish he could read my post so that he would know he would have a future frequent customer in me. I support Austin Scarlett's works 110%
crakker_jakk
February 10, 2005 - 02:06 AM
Refresh my memory... Who's Morgan?
babybecca78
February 10, 2005 - 02:12 AM
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Wendy: Like Starr, she has no formal education in design, and has won two challenges on this show AND made the final three. She has so much determination, and she won't let anything, not even her lack of skills, stop her.
Did one of the producers write this b/s? Not letting her lack of skills stop her? So does that mean she deserves to be in the top 3?
Ultimately, should Wendy win because we feel sorry for her, or because she is stupid, or because she has no talent?
I'd like to think not.
Obviously, others think so... thats why i made the comment about the producers. Do they expect us to swallow this tripe?
The show isn't worth watching anymore... not because of Wendy, but because the judges allowed her to get to where she is.
At least 5 other designers have enough talent that they deserve a shot at fashion week instead of Wendy. She may need mental help, but anyone who believevs she deserves to win for these reasons could use some themself.
SeaCrest Out™®©
Huggycub35
February 10, 2005 - 02:20 AM
Wendy deserved to be in the final three. Austin did not. The judges made the right decision. Austin does not design for the client. Austin designs for Austin. The judges obviously didn't want to let him go, but basically had to. Wendy did the best at fullfilling the clients needs and could not be eliminated. This challenge was all about the client, not about Austin. Good job judges.
gracieo
February 10, 2005 - 02:22 AM
To HubbyCub53:
Is this Wendy Pepper???
crakker_jakk
February 10, 2005 - 02:22 AM
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Wendy: Like Starr, she has no formal education in design, and has won two challenges on this show AND made the final three. She has so much determination, and she won't let anything, not even her lack of skills, stop her.
Did one of the producers write this b/s? Not letting her lack of skills stop her? So does that mean she deserves to be in the top 3?
Ultimately, should Wendy win because we feel sorry for her, or because she is stupid, or because she has no talent?
I'd like to think not.
Obviously, others think so... thats why i made the comment about the producers. Do they expect us to swallow this tripe?
The show isn't worth watching anymore... not because of Wendy, but because the judges allowed her to get to where she is.
At least 5 other designers have enough talent that they deserve a shot at fashion week instead of Wendy. She may need mental help, but anyone who believevs she deserves to win for these reasons could use some themself.
SeaCrest Out™®©
I feel sorta naieve for being disappointed. I knew something was up when Nora left as early as she did. I know she was a drama queen, but she was still light years more talented than Wendy. If it wasn't Austin in the final three it should've been Nora.
gracieo
February 10, 2005 - 02:24 AM
Crakker, Morgan was one of the models who was eventually eliminated...
http://www.bravotv.com/Project_Runway/The_..._Models/Morgan/
crakker_jakk
February 10, 2005 - 02:26 AM
Thanks. I remembered who she was after I'd asked. lol
Huggycub35
February 10, 2005 - 02:28 AM
No this is not Wendy Pepper, and I'm not a fan of hers. I do not like how she acts. She fulfilled the clients needs the best tonight and deserved to be in the final three.
I feel bad for Austin. I think he's really talented, but the judges were right tonight and I think a bit frustrated. THEY KNOW HE'S TALENTED but what are you going to do with someone who doesn't listen. He's not about the client, he's about Austin and tonight it cost him.
Huggycub35
February 10, 2005 - 02:34 AM
Morgan was the blonde model who had an attitude and could walk. She was a little bit kooky and had a lot of energy. Her look reminded me of one of Dracula's bride. She got eliminated and I thinks she's been missed.
viewertoo
February 10, 2005 - 03:50 AM
I'm not so sure her advice was so "well-intended." And, I think the advice hurt the piece, making the top of the gown less of a match with the bottom, the part the judges all loved. To be honest, I'm a bit tired of the 'love-fest' for Kara. Yes, she's talented, but all of her pieces are starting to look the same. I know! a collection is suppose to have a look, but when a piece from 50 years in the future looks the same as a postal outfit, except for color and texture, I start to worry.
BoyzMom
February 10, 2005 - 04:05 AM
Well, I'm just one little viewer but I AM an educated, product-consuming, targeted demographic, fashion-following viewer who refuses to watch this poorly executed 'dramamentary' anymore. What a joke.
Not just the fact that Wendy Pepper is there, either. The whole final show was scripted and it was obvious. How about a little subtlety, people? Nancy O'Dell mirrored the exact same comments for each design that Tim made earlier. And the judges all-of-a-sudden hyper-critical attitude was manufactured, too. There was nothing whatsoever wrong with the top that Jay did. I thought it was a beautiful complement to the skirt which had a lot going on. Wendy's design looked fine but it wasn't the second coming of Vera Wang. She made Fashion Week because of the BR dress (who said it, that dress could have come from a Butterick pattern, Amen!) and I imagine BR pulled all the strings to make it happen.
And no, I won't be watching the 'Jerry Springer' episode where Wendy is 'confronted'. Who gives a rat's a$$? She showed at NY Fashion Week! She was not the most talented of the 12 designers and for me, her presence in NY destroyed the show's credibility once and for all. We all know she's not going to "win". I would, however hope much success for Kara and Jay and for Austin in his endeavors. Wendy, too even though I don't think she deserved to be there.
I am going to follow the boards because there are some really intelligent and fun discussions that take place here.
viewertoo
February 10, 2005 - 04:13 AM
With all this Wendy bashing, I'm glad to see some people coming to her aid. Gosh, you Wendy bashers, get a real life! Wendy works with the client, listens, doesn't play games, has a grip on reality. No, she's not especially fun, pretty, nor does she have the answers to all challenges. Note that she is about the only ne who admits that she may be out of her element on a particular challenge. But, please note, too, that she has won the two most 'commercial' challenges, the most high profile (the black dress in banana republic and the emmy dress) She's ready for the fashion world! As much as it might pain some to admit it, there is room in this world for non-glamorous, practical people!
Dalloway
February 10, 2005 - 04:16 AM
Okay, so we know who the final three are. And we all know, unless I'm totally deluded, that either Jay or Kara will be the big winner in the end. (My money's still on Kara; even that talking head from Access Hollywood, grudgingly admitted she liked Kara's Grammy gown when she saw it on the runway.)
So now it's time to dish about who leaves the reunion next week. I think it's got to be the Pepper. But I'm not sure why, so I'll pose it to you in the form of a multiple choice question.
Wendy leaves the studio reunion next week:
A. because there are reports of falling houses in the area
and she leaves for her own safety.
B. when someone throws water on her when Heidi and the
others aren't looking and she just melts.
C. shortly after her head spins 360 degrees on her
shoulders and she spider walks quickly out of the
studio.
viewertoo
February 10, 2005 - 04:27 AM
Or, she leaves because the other designers are being immature, cruel, nasty, and disrespectful to her--as they have done week after week, just because she isn't willing to play their games.
johng3110
February 10, 2005 - 04:35 AM
I saw last night that Austin was removed from the competition !
That was a sad mistake.
Jay, Kara and Austin have the most talent; and they seem to have good character; and they should have been selected for the final competition.
Also, I was amazed that Austin lost to Wendy! Wendy is a designer of inconsistent quality; but Austin consistently designs well. Also, Austin seems to have good character. Wendy does not seem to have good character. While Austin seemed to focus on just making good garments, Wendy was constantly plotting and conniving to use and eliminate the others. And, in previous episodes, Wendy criticized her team leaders in front of the judges. Wendy might have some talent, but she is not trustworthy. Austin, however, has tons of talent and he does seem to be trustworthy. Austin, not Wendy, should have won.
Austin does need to broaden his current vision of design. But, his talent is consistently there. I hope someone hires him and firmly guides him so his substantial talent can develop to its full breadth and depth.
I agree with what Austin said in one of the clips. He genuinely believes that he was put on this earth to bring beauty to it. That itself is beautiful.
Good luck and God bless you, Austin ! I hope to see LOTS more of you and your work in the future !
strangedaze
February 10, 2005 - 04:38 AM
Austin's dress was not gorgeous, it was garish, too purple, and over the top as usual. It's fitting that Austin was eliminated because of his inability to design a dress that someone would actually choose to wear.
whattapixie
February 10, 2005 - 04:44 AM
People who think Wendy has a grip on what is fashionable think that the new K-Mart line is cool. People, fashion is NOT about being commercial. You cannot defend Wendy using that criteria anyway because she was not even consistantly commercial. Only two, MAYBE three of her designs would be a success if mass produced.
But the show is not about finding the next designer for WalMart - do you think Michael Kors would be a judge if that were the case? Look at his lines for Celine, look at Nanette Lepore, Derek Lam, etc - THAT is what the show is looking for. Wendy can not even hope to thread a needle next to these people.
It's a damned shame that Austin was eliminated. I am happy he did not break down in front of the judges - because I was pissed. He handled it very well.
I do not think he would have won the top prize however and that is NOT because he lacked talent. Rather, I think Austin is very young and still has a lot to learn. Jay made a comment similar to this during the show and I think once Austin gets out into the world and has a couple more years of experience under his belt, his designs will become a little less costume and a little more streamlined. He was, without a doubt, the most promising of all the designers as far as development potential.
So - I know Kara is a favorite to win the whole thing. I love her work as well. But, I am REALLYREALLY pulling for Jay. I love his designs, he has really grown on me the past couple of episodes. I really want him to take the whole thing.
TheBoss41
February 10, 2005 - 04:45 AM
I am dissapointed with the outcome ! I do agree that Wendy's last dress was a good design but by far thought she was the most fashion challenged contestant, and thank the GOds for her, personality wasn't a factor. WHat I realy don't like was the fact that her origanal design was Horrible, you know the one SHE thought of ..... QUOTE:Wendy listened intently and well, which does not mean that she didn't struggle; she did, but she successfully worked through the struggle. I found her design to be sexy to say the least (bye-bye dowdy!), the flow and ease of the bodice to be beautifully proportioned and just right for concealing the television technology, and the mini to be perfect for showing off Nancy's fabulous legs. Not only did Wendy pull off a good design, she pulled off the winning design. Wendy, you're going on to Fashion Week!
TOo bad SHe had to do it with the urgancy and guidance of a mentor to finally get ONE PIECE RIGHT! WIll he be there to hold her hand on every future piece ? I think not.......
Ahh well.. Enough ranting I am just disapointed that she got chosen without any talent and Austin is out..... I would definatly buy his designs and I would NEVER buy Wendy's perhaps even boycotting someone who had a line of hers LOL
strangedaze
February 10, 2005 - 04:50 AM
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Austin Scarlett is a beautiful specimen. His persona and genius are beyond human comprehension and sking as alabaster. As Einstein transformed space and time, so does Austin transfigure energy toward his own devious designs. Only God Almighty on his throne can resist the incontravertible -- foxy -- glorius -- sinisterly heavenly sphinx that is Austin. Buono fortunato, mio figlio.
I completely agree with you. He is one of the main reasons why I tuned into PR. He is quite simply one of the most beautiful human beings I have ever laid eyes upon. I absolutely love his personality and his designs. Especially his classic as well as 18th century revivals.
I really look forward to the day I can walk into his store and be surrounded by his works of art. His designs and styles are what I've always dreamed of wearing.
I just wish he could read my post so that he would know he would have a future frequent customer in me. I support Austin Scarlett's works 110%
Hello, my name is Irony, have we met?
The fact that she failed to see that that effusive praise of Austin was a joke is a testament to how ridiculously polarized this board has become.
BlackModel
February 10, 2005 - 04:51 AM
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Austin's dress was not gorgeous, it was garish, too purple, and over the top as usual. It's fitting that Austin was eliminated because of his inability to design a dress that someone would actually choose to wear.
Actually his dress is no different that the green number J-lo shocked the world with. Austin's concepte was BETTER and more complete in my opinion that pinned and glued rag J-lo wore. Yes Austin is over the top but I think American eveningwear needs to move back to that era. Based on Nancy's choice.......Casual Fridays have BUTCHERED the American woman's sense of what is style for evening. Can I get a witness on that??!!??!??! All that to say I argree with the quote even though I have loved EVERYONE of Austin's designs. I hope to see him in RTW for the 2006 formalwear season WE NEED HIM!
sarahcatherine
February 10, 2005 - 05:16 AM
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sorry this is not new..la did this like 3 yrs ago (la the state not the city)...
Err...it's new for Virginia to do it...and given the connection that it has to Wendy, I thought some people would get a laugh out of it.
Plus I think the idea itself is just silly, and it surprises me that LA actually passed it into law.
katgirl
February 10, 2005 - 05:30 AM
what show were you watching? heck "willing to play their games" how about Wendy is the one who started the games in the first place. everyone else was just trying to design and she started catting about - jay of all people said he can't stand her and that for me was enough. she created an animostic uncomfortable environment. its nobody's fault but her own that she thought she was in the freaking jungle fighting for her life or something - "its just a show Wendy, put down the knife and back away from the innocent"
on another note, with a little tweaking - her dress was accepted...she didn't so much as "listen" to the client as she "bit" other designers ideas. she made a top that Kara would wear and matched it up with a skirt that Jay would do and called it Wendywear - LMAO! Kara and Jay didn't listen - they were bent on doing Kara and Jay this week - they lost on their own...they were not beaten. BYE AUSTIN, I'LL MISS YOU - I LOVE YOU TOO (and you get to do NAncy O'Dell's Oscar dress so you did 'good' baby!)
musclemonkey
February 10, 2005 - 05:34 AM
Wendy Pepper is the only one playing games. And if you can't see that something is wrong. This show is Project Runway, not Survivor--New York. She is totally out of her league here. She is a dress maker, NOT a designer.
musclemonkey
February 10, 2005 - 05:42 AM
This whole thing has made me jaded. I mean, is there ever going to be a reality show that is real, without the scripts. Heck, Wendy should have won, she has gotten enough help from Tim for the past 2 episodes. I am so, so sad to see that hag still there. And obviously she won't be able to take some face to face critisim next week when she gets hit from everyone about the games she has been playing instead of doing good, fashionable work (which by the way, she is totally unable of doing.)
katgirl
February 10, 2005 - 05:43 AM
Michael Kors comment about "we're living in tabloid times and these outfits would wind up in the "don't" column" omg, i was rolling on the floor on that one. When I saw Wendy's thing I immediately said "that yellow costume looks like what would happen if "Big Bird" from Sesame Street got mugged"
randys
February 10, 2005 - 05:44 AM
Amen - Wendy is great -- you go girl -- I am rooting for you all the way!!
musclemonkey
February 10, 2005 - 05:48 AM
Amen. I couldn't really see the skirt for that bland top that she made. I could have come up with something better than that.
musclemonkey
February 10, 2005 - 05:49 AM
Do you actually think she has a snowballs chance in you know where of winning?
katgirl
February 10, 2005 - 05:54 AM
she may win...haven't you noticed the tide turning to the duller side of the knife....
love34
February 10, 2005 - 06:05 AM
i think kara suan has what it takes to go all the way. She has great designs, and business sense. She also never lost of her vision, and designs.