luvinkpenz
February 10, 2005 - 06:14 AM
Wendy has been the only person that has been petty and imature. She has targeted Kara because she is jealous. Kara bent over backwards to be nice to Wendy, even helping her with that God-awful makeup. Anyone remember the blue eyeshadow? Austin, Jay and Kara have no problems with one another and try to help each other out. A awesome showing of good sportsmanship.
desperatewannabe
February 10, 2005 - 06:19 AM
Well, in truth, fashion sold at Wal-Mart is a lot more profitable for the designer and manufacturer than upscale designer merchandise, so maybe Wendy will laugh all the way to the bank. Truth be told, Austin deserved the hook last night. He's awfully talented technically, but I agree with "tim's take" -- the guy just does not listen to criticism. He is incapable of making something that's not a costume, and it was apparent he did not listen at all to the client. The dress was too flashy, too tight, and too glamorous. Nice that he has a vision, but he better get himself a patron (like in 15th Century Venice) or stick to costume design, or change, or move to Paris and work in real couture instead of ready-to-wear, which he will never understand.
And yes, Wendy is a PIA. But I thought last night they were trying to soften it a bit, having her admit she had been acting crazy, suggesting it was out of character for her, and having her go all misty-eyed over the photos. (Then of course, she grabs the fabric eliminating the good will!)
Also, gotta say, HATED Kara Saun's design last night. I didn't even like the dress hated the ill-fitting pants and the sequins really showed she hadn't listened to the client. Very uncharacteristic.
Jay, Tim is so right. Bottom great, top terrible, though is there anyone else out there who thinks the bodice might have been better if Rob and Kara Saun had kept their nose out of his design? Just wondering
ThomsTeddyBear
February 10, 2005 - 06:19 AM
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And I think that's part of the reason why there's such a backlash against her on this board -- people are always threatened by intelligent, loner types.
ROFLMBO!!! WHOO! Ok I was feeling bad until I read this joke.
hellokitty1
February 10, 2005 - 06:22 AM
Wendy, Wendy, I cannot stand her, hate her designs. I'm no fashion judge but I don't know why she's still around. She's a two faced and has a crappy attitude.
I'm sure everybody knows that she dislikes Kara for being THE best designer (which I hope she'll be the winner). Personally I would not buy ANY designs form Wendy.
musclemonkey
February 10, 2005 - 06:26 AM
Oh. I forgot all about that. my bad.
deedee7
February 10, 2005 - 06:26 AM
So let me get this straight - next week's PR is just the designers sitting around having group therapy? If you want to see that, go to group therapy . . . what a waste of time!
I thought this show was about fashion design . . . hello????
When do they show the actual final, including the shows at Fashion Week? The week after that??????
This show has gone right down hill . . .
luvinkpenz
February 10, 2005 - 06:27 AM
I think Austin has tried to listen to everyone. His "rock star " outfit was slammed for being too pretty. The next week he goes in the other direction and it backfires. I think he is gun shy now. I think Austin will be okay. He is so young and look already what he can do. He can do amazing work without someone having to tell him what to do.
desperatewannabe
February 10, 2005 - 06:29 AM
That is an unbelievably rude and uncalled for title. You can dislike her, her behavior and her designs, but calling for her to die is completely out of line. If you meant be eliminated from the show, fine, then edit your post.
That said, she legitimately won the challenge last night. Her outfit was the best, and I don't even like her. She is inconsistent, she is marginal, but this show has a format and based on the format she won. Austin is much more talented, but has never listened on any challenge, and only won when his retro couture sensibility happened to collide with the challenge.
ThomsTeddyBear
February 10, 2005 - 06:30 AM
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THOMS--I am sick right along with you, and worst of all, I didn't even get to see the BLEEPING crapload of an episode because I had to develop stinkin' photos in a dark room and I am ready to CRY....
Austin's dress looks GORGEOUS.
Wendy's looks like a piece feathered poop. Yes, a muppet. Yes, badly made--TIM'S TAKE HAS GONE BEYOND RECALL--HE PRAISES WENDY. PRAISES!!!! Definite brick maiming has taken place. Ew, I'm so angry--seething!!!
Austin, we all love you--I love you!!!!!!!
DAMN THIS SHOW! .....My heart is seriously broken for him:(
Friffery....pifffery....poop!!! That's all I can say.....
Hey psyche - we know who's true and who isn't. Austin's dress was GORGEOUS and to be grammy all it had to be was tucked back to reveal the skirt. Oh and Tim - TIME FOR A PRESCRIPTION CHANGE ON THOSE GLASSES!!
A gracious man posted earlier that he and his wife are interested in investing in Austin and invite others to do so through Austin's management. I'm working on that contact info and may have a lead! We're not rich but we don't suffer from blindness either. I think every little bit can help him - I'm in. I have to find that other poster though because if this works out, it's a go! Can you imagine! This could be something historic!
seltzerpie
February 10, 2005 - 06:34 AM
just a thought: her hair and that tasteless grey streak....it suddenly occured to me that she is being costumed to play on our memories of the witch.
i think they kept her in for dramtic value.
musclemonkey
February 10, 2005 - 06:35 AM
On a similar note, is there something we can do to STOP Wendy from designing?
ThomsTeddyBear
February 10, 2005 - 06:37 AM
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I don't like to make this competition about personalities, but it does factor in. Kara Saun seems like a lovely person, very kind and caring and true to her beliefs. I loved Kevin's gentleness. Austin -- I would LOVE to have him as my friend as I absolutely adore original people, and for that reason I would also love hanging out with Jay. Nora...maybe in 20 years she'll reach a certain maturity. Robert was charming and funny. But WENDY....she is the only one who has always been jealous, conniving, scheming, mind-banging, mean, smirking at others, someone who gets pleasure out of seeing others get eliminated. To me, that signals that she has zero talent. Someone posted on here that she knows Wendy personally and that she's a "nice" person. Nice people don't laugh at others, nor do they use the F word constantly, nor put on phony crying histrionics. She's the worst kind of competitor because she doesn't care about the best designer winning, she thinks it's about the best SCHEMER winning, that if she can play enough headgames with people that she'll get over. I'm positive that Tim helped her as much as he did this week and last, just to keep her on the show in order to keep controversy going. Both times she was headed toward disaster and surefire elimination, and he saved her. She has no sense of style, color, movement, innovation, talent, and most of all no sense of decency.
>>>APPLAUSE!!!<<<
oscar
February 10, 2005 - 06:37 AM
Strictly on design - - not on personna.
Wendy won this - legitimately.
Her color was great - and her design best fit the occasion of the Grammy's.
I even loved her mini feathered skirt.
(what is the deal with "stuff can not match?" My daughter -who works in Hollywood production - is the same way. If colors match - she won't wear it.)
desperatewannabe
February 10, 2005 - 06:39 AM
I agree he is awfully young and prodigiously talented, but I disagree that he listens. Last night, the client said "it shouldn't be too glamorous." What did he say to her on the runway, "I do glamour." And look at his Fashion Week show -- after weeks and weeks of being criticized for being too "costume-y" he produces a line of clothes that could be straight from the movie "The Patriot." He is true to his muse -- himself (or maybe Greta Garbo!). I agree with you he will be all right, but it is not likely to be in ready-to-wear clothing. (Who cares, by the way? If he is doing what he loves to do and becomes a famous costume designer, won't that be just as good?)
ThomsTeddyBear
February 10, 2005 - 06:42 AM
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Austin was asked to design an Oscar dress? I missed this. GREAT! I just wanna hear Michael Kors or someone like that has hired him. He needs mentoring to bend him toward versatility (the cornhusk dress wound up having some because it dried out; he has to be able to duplicate it when it's useful and see that it's pretty in its own way). He's good w/o it but he'll be great with that tool in his arsenal.
lk
Girl, that dress was BEAUTIFUL!! The way it flowed, the skirt underneath, the colors...just wait until I'm rich! But apparently this Odell lady likes to look like an orange being squeezed into a bowl of feathers...go figure.
WARNING: if you choose to watch this episode, stock up on Kleenex but it's worth it to hear Austin's good-bye speech!
musclemonkey
February 10, 2005 - 06:42 AM
um............did you watch the show last night? She stole the fabric!!!!!!!!!
Zanti
February 10, 2005 - 06:44 AM
desperate .. you said just what I was crafting to write. Hollah! So, since you did that I gotta make a few comments about the show in general.
It is terribly scripted ... Next time, I'm gonna put the TV on mute and watch ... comon producers, give us something real, stop whoring yourselves, there is no need. We (the viewers) are intelligent people, treat us that way.
Which leads me to Austin, I really think he was led to make that dress ... he's been told too many times that he needs to listen to the friggin' client ... and everybody knows the Grammy's is a time to reveal your trendy/hip-hop/rock style. I was insulted by the SHOW ... not Austin ... for his making that dress that was, without a doubt, a non-starter.
The only designer who seems real to me is Jay.
chagall
February 10, 2005 - 06:49 AM
My jaw literally dropped last night when Wendy won and Austin was eliminated. I am not a designer (I am a photographer) but I tuned in for the first episode and have been enthralled ever since. Comments: so far I think the most talented people have survived. Kara Saun: very talented, but will not win. Jay: the most visionary and adaptable--he will win. Wendy: has a great sense of color in her work, but let's face it, shouldn't even be here. Austin: extremely talented, but inflexible. Definitely does not need this show, but will be catapaulted into the fasion arena because of it. He will survive and thrive! Any one agree??
oscar
February 10, 2005 - 06:49 AM
I know she stole the fabric. So what!
I said strictly from a design point Wendy won. Her design was the best for the criteria.
If you can't give Wendy this win - strictly on design & fitting the criteria - - you have a serious problem.
And NO - I don't like her as the person she is being presented as on this show.
ThomsTeddyBear
February 10, 2005 - 06:49 AM
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Looking fwd to the reunion...now I'm guessing those people who object to Wendy still being in the running for the drama factor will NOT be watching the reunion? After all, that will be all about the drama.
You guessed wrong. It would be all about getting one last look at REAL designers (Wendy NOT included).
musclemonkey
February 10, 2005 - 06:50 AM
That kind of design just isn't Austin. Austin is a young, gay, flamboyant man. And you can tell by his personal style that he just can't break out of that.
Tweetynap
February 10, 2005 - 06:51 AM
I have watched every episode of Project Runway. This is probably the best reality show that I have seen on TV so far. Among all the designers, I agree with Austin's design philosophy the most. Austin's style is so classy and beautiful. I was very surprised when he got eliminated last night. The judges wanted Austin to get out of his box. Since we won't be our best by being different just to be different, I have to disagree with the judges. Austin knew exactly what he was doing. I admire his confidence and courage of believing in his own vision. We must know our strength and work in our strength. Otherwise, we may be able to do many things, but not excellent in anything.
Austin has lots of potentials. He would be very successful in the design industry if he keeps on pursuing his dream. Keep on the good work, Austin!
Zanti
February 10, 2005 - 06:51 AM
she did not steal the fabric ... she was working with the same colors as Kara and found that the fabric would work with what she was planning to create. Too many Wendy-haters on this board!! I've done that with fabric many times ... Wendy's dress was great, I loved it.
deedee7
February 10, 2005 - 06:52 AM
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Looking fwd to the reunion...now I'm guessing those people who object to Wendy still being in the running for the drama factor will NOT be watching the reunion? After all, that will be all about the drama.
I won't be wasting my time watching it. Where's the fashion in that????
musclemonkey
February 10, 2005 - 06:52 AM
She stole the fabric because the best designer was going to use it. If you can't admit that she is still there for dramatic effect, you have a serious problem.
musclemonkey
February 10, 2005 - 06:54 AM
I am glad you love her clothes, wear them. If you can do so without being ashamed. But she stole the fabric.
oscar
February 10, 2005 - 06:57 AM
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Austin knew exactly what he was doing. I admire his confidence and courage of believing in his own vision.
YES! So do I. Austin stayed true to himself - he didn't cave for the dangling carrot.
I'm sure that will not go un-noticed.
Sabibi
February 10, 2005 - 06:58 AM
I have to agree, Wendy won this fair and square. It is a shame that someone as talented as Austin was eliminated at this point, but it can't be forgotten that he refused to listen to any direction.
As for Wendy being there this long, remember this is a TV show. It became clear a couple of weeks ago that Kara Saun and Jay were front runners. It is very likely that Kara will win, but it is a show and they kept around the people who made good TV, Robert and Wendy. Why else was Robert kept this long, other than Envy (I liked that one), his designs were marginal. Wendy was very inconsistent, but great television.
How about the look on the judges faces when Nancy O'Dell said Wendy's was the one she would wear. Even with the editing it was clear they tried to convince her to change her mind. At that point they had no choice but to eliminate Austin, his was too far off the mark. Just think of this, if Wendy had gone last week, Robert would be in the final 3 would that make anyone happier?
Eve889
February 10, 2005 - 06:59 AM
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um............did you watch the show last night? She stole the fabric!!!!!!!!!
Did she keep it though? I thought Kara said she "thinks" Wendy bought some of the same fabric. That and I didn't see that fabric in the finished version of Wendy's dress.
O'Dell wore orange to the meeting with them, so it's hardly a suprise both Kara and Wendy picked that color to work with. They saw how she looked in it and thought it was good color for her.
I liked most of the designs last night-- I prefered Jay's original top to the remix Kara suggested (I didn't care for the fabric she suggested he used). Kara's outfit was nice, for someone to wear -- but you don't want to be on camera in anything with stuff that could have the chance to reflect light (especially on red carpet with sunlight, camera flashes and camera lighting all going on at once).
I thought Wendy's dress fit in with the Grammy's. I felt bad for Austin -- but he didn't listen and basically said as much with this "I do glamor."
Will they announce the winner next week (I'm guessing after all the whinning/bashing the contestants do to each other). It could be worse and be a two-hour whine/bash-fest (ala The Apprentice finale).
sassychic
February 10, 2005 - 06:59 AM
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At the end of the show when Austin says "You haven't seen the last of me", and gets ready to leave, Michael Kors says "We'll be watching for you." Check his facial expression. He really looks like he regrets seeing him leave.
Agree. Also, look at the way Garcia turns to Kors after Nancy says she could see herself in Wendy's dress. Her facial expression and eyes tell it all.
oscar
February 10, 2005 - 07:00 AM
If you can't accept that Wendy's design won legitimately - - you are incapable of an unbiased - non-emotional - objective decision.
musclemonkey
February 10, 2005 - 07:01 AM
if kara, jay, austin and robert were in the final 4, austin would still be in there.
instyle
February 10, 2005 - 07:02 AM
You know "Survivor" has the same silly reunions, this is just copycat drivil. Perhaps you can set your VCR to capture all the reunion shows and get enough drama.
The reunion show has nothing to do with fashion, what is there to watch? BRAVO could have been a bit more original and had a show with behind the scenes on how the fashions were designed and made - but then it's just another scripted, drama-heavy, reality show. Not worth my time to watch.
deedee7
February 10, 2005 - 07:05 AM
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You know "Survivor" has the same silly reunions, this is just copycat drivil. Perhaps you can set your VCR to capture all the reunion shows and get enough drama.
The reunion show has nothing to do with fashion, what is there to watch? BRAVO could have been a bit more original and had a show with behind the scenes on how the fashions were designed and made - but then it's just another scripted, drama-heavy, reality show. Not worth my time to watch.
I agree, a complete waste of time. This had the potential to be a great, creative show and it's just like all the other horrible reality shows on tv. Disappointing.
monique1977
February 10, 2005 - 07:06 AM
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she did not steal the fabric ... she was working with the same colors as Kara and found that the fabric would work with what she was planning to create. Too many Wendy-haters on this board!! I've done that with fabric many times ... Wendy's dress was great, I loved it.
yes it was but at the same time i noticed that the design for the top was strikingly similar to what nancy was wearing when she saw the project runway team earlier to brief them on what she had in mind .
chagall
February 10, 2005 - 07:15 AM
I'm not a designer. Can someone please tell me if any of Wendy's designs were any good? I know Jay is good (he will win)--but from a fashion standpoint how did Wendy make it this far?
eastwest2
February 10, 2005 - 07:16 AM
She would not have won if Tim Gunn had not given her a few tips. She was well on her way to another craptastic design until Tim Gunn suggested a few things to her.
This show has become completely ridiculous. This show,in beginning, was interesting because you had these designers competing for this prize and each week it was fun too see what designs they come up with. There was already drama with the time restraints or sometimes the designers would do something that did not work.
Now, this show is like every other reality with the witch is cast to stir up drama. The producers and judges have kept Wendy around week after week to stir up drama. She should have definitely been voted off the show four weeks ago. Instead of having a more talented designer around and maybe creating more competition, they keep her around for the trite drama she creates. She is barely a seamstress. Her seams on that postal outfit were tired. The viewers over the last four weeks have endured crap design after crap design. Though her BR dress was a nice dress but not the best dress, she won because it was the cheapest to reproduce. The other designers had dresses with details, which would cost BR more money to produce.
This show has become like every other reality show and is not fun to watch anymore. I am in it until the end because I want to see Kara or Jay win it, but I will not watch next season. Next season will be worse because there will be more untalented designers who will see this show and know all they have to do is be nasty and sneaky because that guarantees more face time.
Go Kara Saun and Jay!
chagall
February 10, 2005 - 07:17 AM
I'm not a designer. Can someone please tell me if any of Wendy's designs were any good? I know Jay is good (he will win)--but from a fashion standpoint how did Wendy make it this far?
deedee7
February 10, 2005 - 07:23 AM
well, folks, it's been nice chatting with you, but I've decided this show is no longer worth my time, therefore I will no longer be posting here or watching the show.
Bad job, Bravo!!!
However, I am sure we will be seeing Austin's and Kara's designs in the future . . .
oscar
February 10, 2005 - 07:24 AM
I liked some of Wendy's designs. I liked some of each designers designs - - I did not like ALL of any one designer.
Is Wendy good??? Kind of a perception question isn't it.
I personally would define GOOD - as construction - fit - use of fabric - etc - which is hard to tell on a TV screen.
As far as "appearance" - individual taste - someone is going to love it - others are going to hate it.
chagall
February 10, 2005 - 07:25 AM
Now, this show is like every other reality with the witch is cast to stir up drama. The producers and judges have kept Wendy around week after week to stir up drama. She should have definitely been voted off the show four weeks ago.
I agree with this post. This show was very classy and set itself apart from the other reality drivel. With Robert hanging around and Wendy beating out Austin it has taken a sour turn. Either the fashion industry is just as shallow as the reality tv industry (entirely possible!), or the show has sold out.
Jay will win!!!!
monique1977
February 10, 2005 - 07:31 AM
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That kind of design just isn't Austin. Austin is a young, gay, flamboyant man. And you can tell by his personal style that he just can't break out of that.
he's gay?
NewObserver
February 10, 2005 - 07:33 AM
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she did not steal the fabric ... she was working with the same colors as Kara and found that the fabric would work with what she was planning to create. Too many Wendy-haters on this board!! I've done that with fabric many times ... Wendy's dress was great, I loved it.
yes it was but at the same time i noticed that the design for the top was strikingly similar to what nancy was wearing when she saw the project runway team earlier to brief them on what she had in mind .
For all Wendy's faults, she's not stupid. She willingly admitted that she was out of her league in designing a Grammy dress. So, she gave the client what she wanted. (Obviously. Did you see Nancy's face light up when she saw the dress?) Wendy saw the color Nancy was wearing, saw the cut of the top and went from there. She explained her design as being "camera friendly" and isn't that what the client wants? And is choosing the same color that Kara Saun picked so bad? Obviously Kara Saun had the same idea -- client likes orange, therefore give her orange. (Perhaps Kara Saun should have listened to Tim and gotten rid of the pants!)
And a note on Austin. How did he lose other than by not winning the BIG PRIZE? He got to show his work at FW and got panned by some critics, e.g., the Mae West look. Wendy probably took a bigger hit in the review department for her dowdy looks.
Bottom line -- the designers who were on the show for more than a nanosecond got her/his ideas and talents displayed for anyone interested in their work. Sounds like they all won to me.
Seagull
February 10, 2005 - 07:37 AM
I was not terribly thrilled with any of the designs last night, but then again, I certainly could not do any better.
I think Wendy had a good presentation of her design in stating about how the camera would be shooting her mainly from the waist up and yet she could have a bit of glitz with the skirt.
I was sorry to see Austin go but he handled it with absolute class and I don't think he will have one bit of trouble making it in this business.
I got my husband into watching the show the past four weeks or so. Like me, he enjoyed Kara and her designs, but last night at the conclusion of the show he said something to the effect of her having a bit of an attitude and that he wasn't as fond of her anymore.
Agreed that Wendy is not the type of person we would most likely choose to party with, but as of late Kara has been making faces, putting in catty remarks, etc. I am sure it is just stress and she is a fantastic designer, but it is a side of her that isn't too pleasant.
As for "stealing" the fabric, as far as I am concerned, while I wouldn't have just casually taken it off the counter the way Wendy did, she certainly didn't steal anything. It's a fabric store, she liked that fabric and one assumes used it in her design. In the final result of course the two designs were completely different and I don't think anyone thought for one moment they would look remotely the same.
I am sure that in prior episodes (not shown on air) that this isn't the first time someone has used the same fabric or at least considered it.
desperatewannabe
February 10, 2005 - 07:41 AM
Time for a new thread. We know you all hate Wendy, and love Kara and Jay and everyone's sad about Austin. Now that we are at the end, who do you think was the absolute best, the absolute worst, and the most unjustly cut?
IMHO:
Best: Jay. Kara is fabulous, but Jay's work has versatility and still shows his personality. You can always spot a "Jay," I'm not sure you can always spot a "Kara Saun"
Worst: Starr. Sorry all you Wendy-haters, but I just looked again at her interview tape. Look at that Daisy Duke dress she is wearing. Her portfolio is ridiculous and she never made anything even remotely attractive. Self-taught from Simplicity Patterns does not make a designer. Maybe they let her on because she was cute, or they thought it would be fun to have a lawyer. (Although I am a lawyer, and based on her demeanor as shown on the show, I think she's a dingbat.)
Most unjustly cut: Vanessa. I think this was a suicide, because she just didn't want to keep in a competition where sewing was such a big part of the deal, and she lacked confidence in it. But she is clearly a real designer, with imagination and verve.
oscar
February 10, 2005 - 07:42 AM
If you want to see real stealing - - - try shopping Beverly Hills during a season end sale.
ThomsTeddyBear
February 10, 2005 - 07:52 AM
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Next year I can't see being this invested again.. I thought it was going to be based on talent, not on the game.....
Come on. Since when is ANYTHING based on pure talent? Talent is pretty subjective, and thus not a 100% solid judgment factor.
That's no excuse to follow the lemmings off the cliff. This show didn't even work from a 75% judgement factor, it worked from a friggin' script.
girlinagogo
February 10, 2005 - 08:04 AM
I'm not angry that Austin was out, but that last challenge was so ridiculous! And to have the decision made by Nancy O'Dell??? Who the hell is she? This judging for the last challenge should have reflected who over the course of the entire show deserved to compete at fashion week. Plain and simple. To give Nancy that power was just absurd. And, she didn't like any of the dresses as they were presented. Every single one needed tweaking, she said. On Wendy's, she would have gotten rid of the feathers and sequins. Ok, so then what would she have had? I was never bowled over by Austin, but he is a better designer than Wendy. He just is. And I loved how Nina actually stood up for him and said some really beautiful things about him. He got to show in Fashion Week so I guess that's good, but he really deserved to compete. What makes this show so special is that these people have a skill that most of us don't have. They actually have talent. To have such big names in the industry like Michael Kors, Betsy Johnson and Patricia Field judge it and then have someone like Nancy O'Dell make the final call just cheapens it. Sad but typical.
ThomsTeddyBear
February 10, 2005 - 08:07 AM
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That dress is a damn joke and I hope ppl try to pluck and fry her.
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But aside from that, you are going to determine people getting into FASHION WEEK, the #1 dream of any designer based on one persons opinion who doesnt know the designers, or their past work. I think they should have done something w/buyers or something like that for the final challenge. Something that will make them showcase themselves as people overall as well as their overall work.
Are you listening Bravo? There's another good suggestion!
fastfashion
February 10, 2005 - 08:07 AM
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/se...=52167499&cdi=0sorry for the long URL
oh, and Nancy O'Dell is YUCKY. Plastic and phoney...