FlightsofFancy
February 10, 2005 - 06:34 PM
The thing I really like about Jay, Kara Saun and Austin is that their work comes off like an expression of themselves, they use fashion designs as a means of expressing their creativity. Austin so much so that he's unwilling to compromise his own vision, which is an admirable trait in an artist but can be a detriment when you want to make a business out of your art. Anyhow, if he wants to do things on his own terms then I say go for it, he's got the confidence to work hard for it. I think Banana Republic just would have stifled him anyway.
I think the reason Kara Saun and Jay nail it almost every time (and Kara Saun nails it every time pretty much aside from last night) is because they can make their creativity adaptable. Jay is my favorite though because I think he's more willing to go out on a limb and take a chance and is a little more "edgy" than Kara Saun. Both of them are excellent though.
As for Wendy, personality aside, I think the biggest problems with her designs are that she has no clear personal vision. She can give a client what they want, but there is no sense of who she is as a designer in any of her work, no signature look. It seems like she's not very passionate about her work or about fashion at all. She comes across like a dressmaker with a moderate degree of talent to me, nothing more, nothing less, and that kind of thing is a dime a dozen.
IloveAustinmore
February 10, 2005 - 06:36 PM
I have been saying from the beginning that Wendy is a coniving, insecure person and I am so unhappy with the final result. My favorite designer and favorite model, Olga are gone. I know that they both will go far.
Morgasmo
February 10, 2005 - 06:38 PM
Great post. Jay is truly the best one of the bunch. And I hate to disrupt Austin's pity party being held here, but Jay is also somebody who has a unique vision: he's about punk and rock. However, he always always always managed to fit his creations within the constraints of the challenge and still manage to stamp them with his own aesthetic. Something that Austin failed at, time and again.
In a sense Austin and Wendy are the same, two one-trick ponies but each at the opposite end of the fashion spectrum.
kutiepie
February 10, 2005 - 06:38 PM
Jay has a great & fun personality. His clothes are as unique as him. However, I don't believe that they are suitable for most people.
Kara has class and that is apparent in her clothes. I would buy her clothes and I think that is the ultimate measure of a designer's success.
Wendy just plain SUCKS!
livefromnowhere
February 10, 2005 - 06:50 PM
thanks for the link!!!! It was quite a feast ....
but if the taste overall here live-from-nowhere is any indication, Wendy Pepper is pretty popular {sour taste in mY mouth} but they all shop at Banana Republic ... and I've never been in the place since the first one opened in LA - and I said - "so what?"
but the pix prove - Jay Rules!!!!!!!!!!
I even labeled some dresses Wendies when they really were Kara's .... Kara does much better out of the evening gown category. Wendy should replay her own criticism of Kevin's leadership in the mini-collection - something to the effect that when the collection comes down the runway "it tells a story" - the crit was spot on ... but she has no clue how to follow up.
In reviewing pix of her collection - my reaction to her "story" is ...
Wha???? begins nowhere special, goes nearly everywhere, ends up nowhere special ......
sassychic
February 10, 2005 - 06:51 PM
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As for Wendy, personality aside, I think the biggest problems with her designs are that she has no clear personal vision. She can give a client what they want, but there is no sense of who she is as a designer in any of her work, no signature look. It seems like she's not very passionate about her work or about fashion at all. She comes across like a dressmaker with a moderate degree of talent to me, nothing more, nothing less, and that kind of thing is a dime a dozen.
You captured something about Wendy when you say she has no "personal vision" and "has no sense of who she is as a designer." Think when a person has no sense of who she is as a designer and in her case may extend to as a person it makes them insecure to the point that it affects their behavior. They can either be very defensive and lash out in peculiar and mean ways or withdrawn. Also, don't think she has a very healthy self-esteem. Maybe deep inside she is a nice person, but her confidence or lack of it gets the best of her.
livefromnowhere
February 10, 2005 - 07:00 PM
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As for Wendy, personality aside, I think the biggest problems with her designs are that she has no clear personal vision.
This is exactly what I said elsewhere in another post - she can listen well and adapt when given good input, but when left without that ...... she falls bellyflopping into the category of "retreads" - rethinking someone else's work ...
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Think when a person has no sense of who she is as a designer and in her case may extend to as a person it makes them insecure to the point that it affects their behavior. They can either be very defensive and lash out in peculiar and mean ways or withdrawn. Also, don't think she has a very healthy self-esteem.
Yeah - just remember her statements on the envy eposide ...
Eve889
February 10, 2005 - 07:04 PM
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Where do we see PIX of the show?????????
CNN has a video of the runway show itself available for download in it's Entertainment section (look under Fashion Week). You have to sign up for their video service to get it (but you can do a free 14-day trial, just remember to cancel so you don't get charged the monthly $14.95 fee).
claudia50
February 10, 2005 - 07:10 PM
Thanks for the Getty Images website address. For me it is clear that in this Olympus Fashion showing, Jay is my favorite designer, hands down.
That doesn't take away from the talent, creativity and style of Austin and Kara Saun. Both very wonderful designers who will have my attention into the future.
ethos
February 10, 2005 - 07:19 PM
As for Wendy, personality aside, I think the biggest problems with her designs are that she has no clear personal vision. She can give a client what they want, but there is no sense of who she is as a designer in any of her work, no signature look. It seems like she's not very passionate about her work or about fashion at all. She comes across like a dressmaker with a moderate degree of talent to me, nothing more, nothing less, and that kind of thing is a dime a dozen.
That was well said...I totally agree. One can never get a sense of who Wendy is aside from the other stuff. Her way of going about getting what she wants by trashing other designers. I hate that about her. I didn't really like what she made last night although when she originally started it, it was worse then the end result. Wendy seems to need a lot of direction, help and guideness when she works. Remember if she had it her way that mess she made would have been even worse than the end result. I still can't stomach that she is in the final three. It sickens me.
ethos
February 10, 2005 - 07:20 PM
You are too funny...!
desperatewannabe
February 10, 2005 - 07:23 PM
A fan who would like to return to my once fashionable life (pre-child and stressful, weight-gain inducing career). And I am a fan, and utterly in awe of all of these folks' ability to conceive of something and execute it in such short time frames with such limited resources. Despite all the carping, I think that's why this format actually does make sense -- if time were unlimited, even idiots like me coudl look at enough stuff to come up with some respectable ideas. I applaud you true creatives!
nyqui0016
February 10, 2005 - 07:23 PM
It seems to me, and to the show's detriment, that Wendy was 'created' as a villain. Look at the photo of her on the website, looking crafty and ghoulish with blue eyeshadow (I never saw her with blue eyeshadow on the show) and killer clown cheeks. Even the t-shirt she designed for the website ("Longshot')--her own drawing shows her with a menacing countenance next to a scissors. COme on.
It's clear to me that Wendy saw her challenge was NOT to survive among the other designers, but to remain interesting to the producers. Whether she dreamed up this scenario herself or was cast as the villain after her arrival, only time (and the other designers) will tell. Does someone ever REALLY want to become the villain, with all that entails? Even Hitler was the hero in his own story, as the saying goes.
Every reality show I have ever seen has someone edited to look like a villain, or someone who is playing up to that role. It's too bad that PR resorted to this tired formula, given that they had a legitimately interesting show, with fascinating and creative participants.
Perhaps Wendy was conniving and mean all on her own. The producers/judges certainly did not have to reward that behavior.
D77771
February 10, 2005 - 07:25 PM
I am so sick and tired of the Wendy bashers on this forum. She is by the far the best and much more talented than any of the people that have dogged her so far. As she said, someone always failed making her path to the final 3 relatively easy. Austin is a genius but should have been eliminated on the wedding dress challenge. It was hideous and completely inaccessible to 99% of the population of the earth. The post office outfit was completely dysfunctional and looked like a haloween costume rather than a practical uniform. Once again, look at Wendy's success:
2055 Collection: Her work fit in with the collection, plain and simple. Had Kevin's work not appeared so finished, Wendy would have been out. The work showed vision and originality. Plus, she came up with the concept of the pods which was excellent (even Jay and Tim admitted it held the collection together). Kevin rejected the idea so who sabatoged who?
Post Office Challenge: She designed a great outfit that was FUNCTIONAL. Austin and Robert were DYSFUNCTIONAL. Hence, the challenge is over. Dowdy, matrony or whatever is insignificant to the challenge. She didn't win but shouldn't have been eliminated.
Grammy Awards. She hands down should have won the challenge. Look at the competition - Kara Saun's looked like a foreign bazar or trip to the Taj Majal and the dress/pants combination looked TIRED AND OUT OF DATE -- the pants were ill-fitting and the sequins were dated and just plain weird. Austin's dress would have been fine for Elizabeth Montgomery on Bewitched or something but for the Grammy's? Way too extreme. Remember Nancy said she did not want to upstage the people she was interviewing? That dress was too gaudy and dramatic. Jay's skirt was fabulous but the top was matronly, binding and the most unfeminine thing I ever saw. It was horrid. Who was left? Wendy's was the only dress that fit what the client wanted. She should have won, of course.
I am certain that Wendy's collection was stunning, functional and highly marketable -- unlike Jay and Kara, who are limited to boutiques or consignment pieces. The final will tell the story.
In any case, Wendy did what she had to do. She was harrassed, berated, belittled, disrespected and mocked by her peers on the show. Kara Saun was acting like Wendy was old enough to be her mother when they are only 3 years apart in age. Plus, Kara was horrible to Wendy and was antagonizing and instigating a confrontation throughout the episode. And this behavior is "professional"? Kara was truly UNPROFESSIONAL when she went to offer Jay assistance. Wendy did the right think and stayed the hell away from all of them and look what happened, she won and went to fashion week and deservedly so.
luvinkpenz
February 10, 2005 - 07:36 PM
Does anyone have an example of Kara Saun being out-right cruel to Wendy?
Firefly
February 10, 2005 - 07:36 PM
I am a bit horrified at the attacks on Wendy here. Last night, seven of my friends over for what has become our weekly PW party. After the last episode, everyone felt Wendy got a raw deal. Core points were these:
1. Wendy has emerged as the scapegoat for answering the judges' difficult questions with honesty. However, we wonder what consequences she would have faced if she hadn't answered honestly.
2. Wendy has never spoken ill of any of her fellow contestants behind their backs. The same cannot be said of the other finalists.
3. Wendy has never purposefully tried to sabotage someone else's work or manipulate another competitors actions. Kara may have claimed that Wendy "stole" her bolt, but we replayed Tivo to check this several times--and the salesperson led Wendy to the crucial bolt that, in fact, Kara had abandoned. The fabric in question ended up being some rather mundane chiffon that Wendy never ended up using in the outfit--that's probably why Tim later wrote it was inconsequential. On the other hand, none of us could determine whether Kara or Kevin actually attempted sabotage--but we did agree that the evidence was far more convincing that they had real intention to backstab.
4. Wendy presents her work and herself awkwardly. It detracted from her runway work that the judges necessarily had to treat judgementally.
5. Tim offered advice unequivocably to all the contestants. Only Wendy listened (and listening appears to be her strongest skill).
Unfortunately, my friends all agreed that Wendy's worst enemy is Wendy. She discounts her own achievements, double guesses her own actions, and processes everything emotionally. It makes her vulnerable--and an easy target. Still, she appears to be a straight shooter--perhaps to her own detriment.
Ultimately, we all had different ideas who was the best designer. However, all of us agreed--she did have the only Grammy-worthy dress of the bunch (in fact, strangely precient of Michael Kors' current collection). None of the other dresses appeared appropriate for the event. To me, Kara's outfit looked a bit Bollywood, Jay's looked more well,um, early Laura Bush, and Austin's was a verbatim repro of an old Agnes Morehead costume.
Face it, the stress all of these folks faced was unbelievable. It seemed to rob all of their dignity and many of their integrity. It seems to have shown the best--and worst of the competitors.
I don't know these people personally--nor, do most (or maybe all) of us. So, I figure I see them through tainted Bravo-manipulated perspective. Still, there wasn't any evidence that Wendy deserved the treatement she got from her fellow competitors--much less the derision shown here. She gained my respect for her perseverence.
ethos
February 10, 2005 - 07:55 PM
Wendy did eliminate her after giving her stupid little speech that made it seem that she would pick Morgan after all.
That was a dumb ass speech from Wendy. Acting like she was gonna keep Morgan.
iowahousewife
February 10, 2005 - 07:58 PM
http://www.3mote.com/?p=813« It’s really not worth it - Wendy Pepper is a sad little woman.
It’s no surprise that I hate this woman, I mean look at her. That ridiculous skunk stripe, the horrible make-up. She’s 40 years old, majored in Anthropology, and no doubt was in the drama club. She keeps on slipping by the judges on “Project Runway” (or “Pwoject Wunway” if you’re Heidi Klum-Seal). Her designs are awful and they all involve some sort of fringe. I hate fringe. I didn’t even like fringe when it was “in” and unfortunately Wendy hasn’t been told that fringe is out. Besides the fact that she’s a talentless, washed up middle aged freakshow, she’s playing the game with cunning, and zero skill. What’s worse is that she’s not that cunning, she just drives the knife into your back at the last second then manages to squeak by. She’s reaching Flo/Sharla/Mirna (Amazing Race) levels in terms of horrifickness, if that was a word.
luvinkpenz
February 10, 2005 - 08:00 PM
Has everyone here watched Wendy's interview off this website?
iowahousewife
February 10, 2005 - 08:03 PM
lisakaz
February 10, 2005 - 08:07 PM
Nice attack as a first post. Is that you, Wendy?
BTW one review of all of FW called Wendy's collection a borderline embarrassment. Not a showing of talent and even her detractors think that was about the best she could do. What does that tell you about her future in haute couture?
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kousagi18
February 10, 2005 - 08:08 PM
So I made a post about some gossip I had heard about Wendy and I'd just like to say I apologize if it offends any one. I wasn't condoning or condeming it, just speculating on what I had heard. So again, sorry!
lisakaz
February 10, 2005 - 08:09 PM
What show are you watching? Never said a bad word behind people's backs? Are you kidding? Those interviews are full of her pot shots at others. Kevin, Austin, Robert, etc. You must be talking and not watching.
lk
birdaileen
February 10, 2005 - 08:11 PM
quote 2. Wendy has never spoken ill of any of her fellow contestants behind their backs. The same cannot be said of the other finalists.
HAHA THIS IS IRONY, RIGHT?
Chrysallys
February 10, 2005 - 08:18 PM
I so agree with you!!! Those are the most heinous dresses and the largest waste of fabric I have ever seen.
It's all made even uglier by her ugly personality.
Gherk
February 10, 2005 - 08:20 PM
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Excuse me but I will speak/post on what I want to post on.
Besides, it's true...when she uses a model of color she doesn't make clothes that cover them. It is true. It's not as if I made this up. Go back and look for yourself but don't tell me not to mention it. It's my right.
Last I checked you didn't make the rules here. I guess it's your world and some of us are just visitors in it, right?
You obviously have issues, and have the perception that there's something racial going on, and some crap about rules. Get over it. You are the only one who posted such an observation, which, if you think about it, has nothing to do with any sort of motive you seem to be assigning to Wendy. Say whatever you want - my post was a request for some sanity and not a bunch of fear-based race crap. Gee - let's see - Wendy only had candy left after her first idea crumpled for the first challenge, and used what she had. And, oh, a bathing suit not giving enough coverage? Martinique had the most coverage apart from Morgan. Maybe you could say something about how Kara likes to humiliate white women and find some ridiculous rationalization for it? That would be right up your alley. Attitudes like yours are unnecessarily destructive and hate-provoking - and as you can see, this board needs no further provoking to dislike Wendy.
You can take your rights and shove them. I said nothing about any "rules" - I actually said, "please, God" in an attempt to summon all that is holy to stop this delusional thinking and I pointed out how ridiculous your "observation" is. Your immature, ineffective attacking comments about these so-called "rules" and "my world" might be mentioned in the DSM IV where it talks about the paranoid delusion and defensiveness associated with your appropriate diagnosis.
luvinkpenz
February 10, 2005 - 08:24 PM
Good article. Thanks for the link. I am kinda sad that Austins collection didn't have his usual flair. I am wondering if he had as much time to work on his collection as the other three, or did the producers realize late that he would have to be in fashion week not spoil this weeks episode? You would think that they would have said something to him on last nights episode that he would have to do a collection for fashion week, but it wasn't even mentioned.
nyqui0016
February 10, 2005 - 08:28 PM
This is a bit harsh! All you have to say it that you disagree and move on. You are making more than a few assumptions about the writer based on a fraction of the number of words you used.
luvinkpenz
February 10, 2005 - 08:39 PM
I agree with everything you wrote. Starr's "designs" was pretty bad
lilysmom
February 10, 2005 - 08:49 PM
Wendy has said negative things about people -- she's said that Austin is costume-oriented, and that Kevin had leadership issues. But I don't know if Wendy is that much worse than anyone else in terms of talking behind other people's backs.
First of all, you've got to figure the show's massively edited, and who knows what people have said. (In fact, I'm wondering if you can even assume that what you see is from that week / that challenge.) And who knows what they've said in response to direct questions from the PR staff....PR is certainly encouraging getting this sort of stuff on tape.
But even based on what we've seen....other people said negative things about Kevin's leadership abilities, just behind his back, and given that it's *on tape* and likely to be broadcast...well, you're not only saying it behind Kevin's back, you're saying it to him (just weeks later), and you're saying it to millions of people. Wendy, on the other hand, said those negative things in response to a *specific* question by the judges, in front of everyone, when the judges clearly wanted a tough take on the leadership issue, and basically agreed with Wendy about the lack of cohesiveness of the collection.
Other people, not Wendy, said negative things about Robert -- Kara basically point blank wondered why he was still there, as did, if I recall correctly, at least one of the others. And Jay was incredibly negative about Austin's behavior at the club in front of the Page 6 columnist...the words he used were pretty biting. And Jay has said the same thing that Wendy has said about Austin -- that he's very costumey. And then Jay has point blank said that he hates Wendy, and made fun of her appearance, which is a little odd given that Jay is hardly a fashion plate himself. I mean, none of these people, of the 4 that were left, were exactly elevating themselves to the "If you can't say something nice..." level.
Austin was a bit better about negativity, but even he made negative comments about Robert, right? And certainly about Wendy....Austen seemed incapable of accepting the fact that Wendy criticized him (but it was okay for him to criticize Vanessa, despite his claim that he'd rather leave the show than identify someone else to leave).
And Wendy, to her credit, has recognized the talent of others. I mean, that was a pretty accurate description of Kara Saun last night -- really talented and well on her way to winning. And the worst thing I've ever heard her say about Austin is that he's costumey, and he was out of his element on the wedding dress thing. As back-stabbing goes, that's pretty mild. The worst thing I've heard her say about Jay....what has she said about Jay? I mean, if anything, she goes overboard acknowledging when she's out of her element, and she seems to recognize other people's talents.
glamourina
February 10, 2005 - 09:01 PM
I did the Marc Bouwer show on Wednesday and who would walk into the room but three PR contestants -- Jay, Kara and Nora. Jay and Kara seemed to be very visible during the NY Fashion Week, and the two actually drew the most favorable buzz on their collections. Many fashion insiders, however, are betting on Jay, with Kara a close second. According to one of those who were able to see the show last Friday, the judges seemed torn between Jay and Kara.
I like Jay, and after the Bouwer show, I ran into him outside the venue, smoking as usual. I couldnt help myself but tell him "I love you! You should be the winner!" he replied nonchalantly and told me "Well, it's not over yet!"
Back at the tent, Jay, Nora and Robert were seen posing for opictures and signing autographs. And where was Wendy? I didnt see her, so I presume she got the message that she wouldn't bag the contest. It seems to me that Jay and Kara are working it during Fashion Week to, you know, ensure victory for either of them, and if not, then a nice handshake with fashion's most influential people would have not been bad at all!
Firefly
February 10, 2005 - 09:01 PM
Yes, you are right and I was incorrect--she has said negative things about the others. I think what was meant was that she hasn't made personal attacks. Actually, most of the contestants haven't--and the attacks seem to be a late-game development.
PaleFire76
February 10, 2005 - 09:11 PM
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Wendy is a strange person and I had some info on her that I thought other's might find interesting. I know alot of people think she is a manipulative, over dramatic person... And you're right. And I don't mean just on the show either.
I know for a fact that she used to be married to a man named John. When they divorced he set a private detector on her and was devastated to find that she had cheated on him numerous times in the past... Hmmm, the show's a crossover with Desp. Housewives now. Anyways, just wanted to let you all know that it wasn't just the show bringing out bad qualities in her, from what I know she's always been that way.
For some reason, this isn't hard to believe. Btw, I see no reason for you to apologize.
ericats
February 10, 2005 - 09:13 PM
Does anyone know how Kevin's show went yesterday?
notevayas
February 10, 2005 - 09:15 PM
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Jay's skirt was fabulous but the top was matronly, binding and the most unfeminine thing I ever saw. It was horrid. Who was left? Wendy's was the only dress that fit what the client wanted. She should have won, of course.
The Grammy Challenge and the Rocker Girl Challenge outcomes were both flawed because the winner was chosen by some psuedo-celebrity who had no taste and no business judging fashion.
Jay's designs were the best in both cases, and in both cases the youth and insecurity of the so-called 'client' (picked and guided by the producers no doubt) stole his win.
This little tart (Nancy whoever) in question chose the only dress that would push up and display her perky little boobages front and center for the teevee cameras, nevermind the tacky orange feathers that even she dissed.
The show also tried to influence us to think that Kara Saun's advice to Jay was bad. It was excellent advice. His skirt was a peice of art and needed a strong but simple top. And just like his Chrysler dress and wedding dress and rock dress and envy dress etc.. his design concept seems to incorporate sexy intelligence, not "open house on boob displays". Not every women needs to shove her chest under everyones nose! (especially on her wedding day Kara Saun!)
I am sure that some women would like their neck, cheekbones or eyes noticed first.. who are not media [expletive deleted], but buy fashion.
When I envision customers, I can see all of Jay's designs looking particularly stunning on Asian women. Kara Saun's on Hispanic women. Austin on romantic women everywhere but especially tall willowy blonds like himself..
Wendy should sew sequins on dog sweaters and flowers on straw hats and open a boutique.
notevayas
PaleFire76
February 10, 2005 - 09:27 PM
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I think what was meant was that she [Wendy] hasn't made personal attacks.
We must be watching completely different shows. On the last episode, Wendy went on a foaming-at-the-mouth tirade, peppered with numerous "[expletive deleted]," over Kara's comment ("people without talent have to resort to sabotage.") Kara was entirely justified in her comment given how Wendy just snatched Kara's bolt of fabric away.
Kara's remark then prompted Wendy to engage in a shrill, childish rant about how Kara was trying to "[censored] with me, blah, blah, whine, whine." If that isn't a personal, over-the-top, juvenile *personal* attack on Wendy's part against Kara, then I don't know what is.
Something else: Wendy also claimed she enjoyed watching people squirm. There is something sick about someone who delights in stuff like that.
One last criticism re. Wendy and then I'll stop (only because she is a talentless and morally repugnant hack who doesn't deserve the attention that's been devoted to her) -- did everyone notice how incensed Wendy got over Jay's compliments for Kara Saun's designs. Jealous much, Wendy?
Kneestah
February 10, 2005 - 09:27 PM
I think Wendy has been unfortunately misrepresented to appear unstable and unlikeable. I'm glad she won the last round. However, she is a drain. I thought all of Austin's designs were the same as his hair, overdone, and stiff. Kara's designs are consistently refreshing, and remarkable. Jay's very innovative and cool, but he's been cruel to Wendy. I think Kara will win. Jay will be very successful though, no doubt about it. Wendy will too, after she gets signed on to JCPenny.
PaleFire76
February 10, 2005 - 09:33 PM
Mostly agree, except for maybe the part about Nancy O'Dell. I know people find her taste in clothes questionable, but I just wanted to add a friend of mine had the pleasure of meeting her in real life, and reports that Ms. O'Dell is an extremely kind, down-to-earth, and generous person. (She even took the time to email my friend--really, a nobody in the showbiz world--some words of encouraging advice regarding his career.)
PaleFire76
February 10, 2005 - 09:47 PM
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well, folks, it's been nice chatting with you, but I've decided this show is no longer worth my time, therefore I will no longer be posting here or watching the show.
Bad job, Bravo!!!
However, I am sure we will be seeing Austin's and Kara's designs in the future . . .
How childish of you. If you are this perturbed over fluff TV I can't imagine how you handle setbacks in real life. Or do you just take your ball and go home when things don't go your way?
one final post - wow, i am shocked at your rude and inappropriate response. i merely posted an opinion of how disappointed i am with this show, and that i have better things to do with my time. i am neither "perturbed" nor "used to things going my way", and have dealt very well with many major setbacks in my life (not that this is any of your business.) the only "childishness" around here is your rude response. if you don't want to read an opinion, then don't view these message boards - they are here for people to post their views.
by the way - do you work for Bravo?????
Hi, deedee7. This may be too late, but don't worry too much about strangedaze. He/she tends to make a habit of taking below-the-belt, extremely hostile potshots against posters in his/her efforts to avenge W. (E.g., I've had the personal pleasure of being told I redefined the word "pathetic" by the wonderful strangedaze). Strangedaze starts off most posts by attacking the person and not the argument and is not worth getting upset over.
ericats
February 10, 2005 - 09:51 PM
How surprised was everyone when it was revealed that Robio was the "technical support"? I thought that is was going to be either Kevin, Vanessa, or Nora.
No one has really mentioned this but Kara Saun seemed a little rattled in last night's epi. She's usually pretty calm but she seemed a bit stressed.
By the way, if anyone is wondering about the Julia incident, she posted something on The Models board about what happened.
Besides the group therapy part of next week's bonus epi it looks like they are going to show more behind the scenes designing outtakes.
It looks like Tim is co-hosting the group therapy part with Heidi.
Last night, when the designers went to Kors' showroom, I did not reconize Heidi at first! She is so charming when she is allowed to be herself and she has such a great smile but I guess director/producers want her to play a teutonic ice princess.
If I'm dying help me out here but I've been reading "you know who" postings all day and need a break. I'm sure that everyone will have a lot to talk about "La W" after the next two epis.
PaleFire76
February 10, 2005 - 09:52 PM
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Austin: Did you ever see a dream walking? Well, I did.
Wendy: That Big Bird boa donut deal positioned ever-so-unflatteringly at mid-thigh was vomitacious.
Kara: She likes to add that slite butch touch. In this case an attractive, but mis-used sadle-leather pant.
Jay: Derivative of his Chrysler Building design - the shape and cut of the top half at least.
This is an assessment I completely agree with.
Gherk
February 10, 2005 - 09:53 PM
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This is my first time post, and I'm only posting cause well, I have watched the show this far, and I got something to say. I am not a K. Saun lover. aside from the 2055 outfit, I found her stuff a little dated... a little 1999. I especially hated the last outfit, THE PANTS under the DRESS, I saw Britney Spears wear such an outfit about two years ago for a photo shoot for Rolling Stone. Being able to put a great looking outfit together is one thing, but being a visionary is quite another. Kara's designs I have seen before in many places. She steals from the best, but she steals none the less.
Jay on the other hand is a JOY to watch design. He's usually so creative. I hated what Kara did with his top, because it deluded the color away... it made it look dull, and I am not convinced it wasn't Kara's idea to ruin his chances. JAY do your thing, never follow someone else's design ideals, they will ruin you.
WENDY, WENDY, WENDY. You know what guys! She has been picked on, she has been abused, and she is hated for telling the TRUTH about KEVIN... oh my GOD did SHE EVER!!! he was an awful leader, but she also knows that this world is not fair... and she got to the final three, GREAT!!! I have to say that in the entire season of the show, she created my favorite dress, The Banana Republic DRESS, reminded me of a modern Audrey Hepburn, it was lovely and simple, what a gorgeous line --- I don't think she was perfect. I do think she had an agenda. But at least she was straight forward about it. Kara Saun was not, she to me was a little more subersive and immature, she is a much better designer but as a person she is in par with Wendy. But her comments on last nights show about sabotage made her look petty and sort of pathetic. A real designer deals with truths and visions. Kara has a long road.
Finally, AUSTIN, I love his costumes. I love them. and I think he has a long career in Broadway and FILM, I can just see him designing film costumes a LA MOULIN ROUGE and the Lord of the RINGS. But he is not a fashion designer. He is a COSTUME DESIGNER, and that is not a bad thing to be, AUSTIN has to embrace his path, and go for that OSCAR STATUETTE.
So at the end of the day, I am hoping for a JAY win, he annoys me, he doesn't seem like that great of a guy to hang around with, but in the end --- people are not gonna wear him for his personality, but for his clothes, and his are head and shoulders over the rest.
Kara Saun can not possibly have consciously tried to sabotage Jay - you've let Wendy enter your soul; I have no idea what you're talking about. Wendy incited resentment in ALL of the contestants, so I'm not surprised at all by some of the reactions to her hideous, sick behavior. At least Kara didn't continue to act like she liked Wendy when she obviously became turned off by her, as Wendy continued to be completely two-faced with everyone. Why is everyone so willing to make Wendy into a victim and someone with integrity because she "told the truth" on the runway? She hasn't been secretive about her motive - it wasn't to be honest or tell the truth, it was to destroy someone else's chances. She selected that time to be "honest," not that I'm defending Kevin's leadership - but come on, will you stop insulting me by asking me to believe the crap you're writing about her??
The BR dress was nice, but the fact that it was your absolute favorite completely destroys any credibility you have in critiquing fashion or design or art or . . . . anything.
Also, I know Jay, have hung out with him, am friends with him, and I can tell you he's awesome. I'd rather hang out with him than you any day . . .
Seagull
February 10, 2005 - 09:55 PM
Here is an interesting article I found on Wendy Pepper. There is a bit of intrigue near the end where it is revealed that an ELIMINATED contestant was the one who drew the face on the photo of Wendy's daughter. They don't say who but that does narrow it down.
http://www.citizenet.com/fun/articles/0203...05/style1.shtml
notevayas
February 10, 2005 - 10:00 PM
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Mostly agree, except for maybe the part about Nancy O'Dell. I know people find her taste in clothes questionable, but I just wanted to add a friend of mine had the pleasure of meeting her in real life, and reports that Ms. O'Dell is an extremely kind, down-to-earth, and generous person. (She even took the time to email my friend--really, a nobody in the showbiz world--some words of encouraging advice regarding his career.)
I believe you when you say Ms O'Dell is a good person. I was posting to the maybe 8 minute impression of her 'style' on the show. For that matter, I do not believe that I know much about any of the people involved, Runway being such a staged and scripted show!
I judge the designers by their designs mostly, the judges by their comments and expressions. If I were trying to make another point, I would have had all sympathy for Ms. O'Dell trying to be successfull in an industry that encourages young women to get surgical breast implants to get more work! After spending all that money and pain and risk to health, no wonder the ladies want to get the most mileage out of their silicone!
notevayas
ps.. I am not implying Ms. O'Dell had surgery. Her proportions seem very natural!
Gherk
February 10, 2005 - 10:03 PM
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This is a bit harsh! All you have to say it that you disagree and move on. You are making more than a few assumptions about the writer based on a fraction of the number of words you used.
what are you, the mother of the message board? does that make you the "mother board?"
it's so easy to get reactions out of people - such a blast!
ericats
February 10, 2005 - 10:06 PM
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Here is an interesting article I found on Wendy Pepper. There is a bit of intrigue near the end where it is revealed that an ELIMINATED contestant was the one who drew the face on the photo of Wendy's daughter. They don't say who but that does narrow it down.
http://www.citizenet.com/fun/articles/0203...05/style1.shtml
Wendy probably told the reporter that an eliminated contestant drew on the picture.
The cameras were on the eliminated contestants while they were in the workroom alone and it would have been caught on camera if someone had done it. If indeed some eliminated contestant had done it I'm sure it would have been shown to us for the dramatic effect (remember the Big Brother contestant who cleaned a toilet bowl with her nemisis' toothbrush?) Speaking of dramatic effect, probably some PA did it per the producers instructions.
If anyone accuses me of being a hypocrite because I'm talking about Wendy, I know, I know...
designerfan
February 10, 2005 - 10:12 PM
www.kevinjohnn.net and www.emusestudio.com
Amberw23
February 10, 2005 - 10:37 PM
I am so disturbed that Wendy made it to the final three. This is just unconscionable on the judges part. She has been a horrible designer, and a horrible person throughout the entire show. She is incosistent, and just all around awful. I know Austin will go far, and he knows in his heart that he DESERVED to be in the final three after all the fabulous work he did!
Amberw23
February 10, 2005 - 10:46 PM
Furthermore, I do love Jay and Kara Saun...I think they deserve to be where they are too. Jay is my HERO though because he is so cool and down to earth, AND he's a fab designer. I just feel a little irritated that I watched this whole season only to find myself so upset that this horrid WENDY made it to the final three. She shouldn't have even been in the final 10! I can't wait to see next week's episode...I hope the other contestants shoot her down!
Carlitos
February 10, 2005 - 10:59 PM
Hey all,
I've been trying to figure out what frames Robert has been wearing throughout the episodes. I've been looking forever and those are the frames I've gotta have. Any help?