birdaileen
February 11, 2005 - 12:40 PM
i agree. if someone writes a petition, ill sign it.s
musclemonkey
February 11, 2005 - 12:41 PM
Exactly. That was the whole point of Wendy's "win." I have been so disappointed in this entire show all because of some Hillbilly from VA. (and i can say that because i am from va)
lisakaz
February 11, 2005 - 12:43 PM
BTW: here's how I think Austin should have "tweaked" his design to stay on the show. First, I think the halter nature of his top should be replaced by making the straps hook over the shoulders, giving the top more of a bustier look. The plunge and everything else should not be affected, however. Second, I would have revealed a mini-skirt underneath the drapery more, perhaps by a different angle of cut, though I might first try taking up the sides to see how it looked (maybe too much like curtains, though). If he had done that and there was enough "edginess" in the skirt underneath, he would have been okay.
lk
musclemonkey
February 11, 2005 - 12:45 PM
Well apparently the "customer" was more interested in color than the outfit itself. That's why Wendy won.
Lar4
February 11, 2005 - 12:46 PM
You are correct....it will be good for ratings to pit Wendy against someone GOOD. I read Tim's comments on the last show and I have to agree with him on all the designers. It's true Austin could not follow challenges and chose to do his own stuff so I can see why he was eliminated. But Wendy is not very good...but she follows and takes direction well. This is what has saved her (so far)....she'll be next to go. I have been rooting for Jay all along (didn't like his last dress--yuk!) but like Kara too.
musclemonkey
February 11, 2005 - 12:48 PM
I didn't mean for my last post to sound snippy (you can never read inflection into a post) I agree with you on Austin's revamp too.
ericats
February 11, 2005 - 12:53 PM
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lk
I remember that! It was so funny!
lisakaz
February 11, 2005 - 12:53 PM
Which invalidates Tim's assertion that Wendy stealing some fabric didn't affect the outcome. If color was the only thing, then her theft meant EVERYTHING.
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RGRRGR
February 11, 2005 - 12:54 PM
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Really? We should flood Bravo with emails on this one.
lk
Think for a moment, the dress that was designed was done so to fit the model which would be wearing it, ergo, there is a chance that Nancy would wear Windy's dress (tweaks and all) in her size.
Chinchilla3
February 11, 2005 - 12:56 PM
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go to this link and scroll down to Project Runway and you can see a video of all four designers shows for free!!!
http://www.ny1.com/ny/Search/SubTopic/inde...earch_result=1#
OH...MY...GOD! I had seen the pictures before about a million times (I really need to get out more), but to see the actual outfits in movement was just amazing. They were all beautiful!
It's no secret I am a Wendy-lover, but everyones stuff was amazing and they're own personalities definitely came across! Austin and his patriotism, Kara and her chic styles, Jay and his hip flare, and Wendy and her polished conservatism. I know only one person will win this, but I am in awe of each of their talent and their ability to express it. It's just amazing.
musclemonkey
February 11, 2005 - 12:57 PM
I was so pissed about her stealing the fabric on Thursday, I mentioned it on the boards and then got blasted by all these people saying that Wendy hadn't stolen anything. Bull!!! She clearly knew Kara was going to use it and took it from her.
ThomsTeddyBear
February 11, 2005 - 12:58 PM
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Ciao, Adios and Adieu "Hausfrau" BaaBaa WaaWaa! Go back to your "Couch Potato" life eating bon-bons, watching "The P-U" and "chillin' out" daily with Ofrah's "Stepford Wives" club meetings!
You can only guess about her life but how would you know about everything you mentioned unless you lived it yourself.
oye vey.
TTB, I must be getting old because I have no idea what a "P-U" is and i never heard of "ofrah's stepford wives club meetings"????????
sometimes i think you should be old enough to drive before you are allowed to post on a board.
Or at least you should be able to ACT like you are.
You and me, both! Dr Phil's initials maybe? Ofrah would know, lol
goddessamelia
February 11, 2005 - 01:00 PM
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he had the perfect motive to draw all over it. we know he did it, he seems immature enough to do it...
We dont know he did it. I dont think he did it. Any model, designer or production crew had the opportunity to do it. We wont know unfortunatly unless they show us in the next two episodes.
JaNelle
February 11, 2005 - 01:02 PM
I was rather surprised by the outcome of the final three. Not by Jay or Kara I thought they had talent from the first show. They were 'originals', I'm sure everyone noticed that. I always assumed that Wendy was put on the show to create controversy, this is television after all. I never thought someone so obviously unoriginal would actually be given such a wonderful opportunity. Even the one challenge she won was seemingly by default. It was the least imaginative so it worked for an interviewer who shouldn't upstage the stars. I am probably the perfect client for someone like Wendy, middleaged, middle American, mother and wife but even I found her designs boring and uninspired. I suppose if you want someone to design for WalMart she'd be your girl. I felt badly for Austin who not only had beautiful designs but seemed like such a sweet young man. Though, I should hope, someone of such real talent will find a place in fashion. I know we shall all see great things from Jay and Kara they are both so very talented but I'm sorry that the last spot couldn't have gone to one of the other much more worthy designers. I like to think that this was not all just about ratings, you know, tune in to see the designer everyone hates finally get her due- but legitimately run.
FashionPookie
February 11, 2005 - 01:03 PM
Here's another spoiler website for you guys and my take on Olympus Fashion week, everyone should know by now who the final "4" are so hopefully I won't be spoiling too much.
Well if you haven't already heard Austin was allowed on to Olympus Fashion Week along with Wendy, Kara and Jay. Some of the shows were a little more crowed than others. I was a guest of a press so my seat/or lack of was not that great. On to the clothes, Austin who is so talented just lost site of reality I think, I don't see very many women buying his clothes for any other purpose except for costumes. I think he'll be sucessful in film, TV and making couture designs for celebrites but I can't see him as the next Big American designer. Wendy's designs seemed somewhat unfinished (surprised?) Zippers hanging out the back of a lovely skirt and unflattering tops. But she still pulled it off considering her former flops. People around us were making odd facial expressions and commenst as both Austin's and Wendy's lines were on the runway. Kara of course did an amazing job. Her and Jay have so much raw creative talent it's awsome to see thier designs in person. Jay's line (Which was called Stereotype) was by far my FAV! Of course I'm a huge music buff and that was the inspiration for his show. He made clothes that I feel the everyday women could wear, not just in outfits/collections but as individual pieces which I find important since most of us can't afford a whole outfit/collection from any of these designers. I like Kara's line but it was too "model like" for me, too "Hollywood" I guess you can say. It was wonderful to watch but I can't see myself in as many of her peices as I can with Jay's. Check the lines out for yourself at: www.blog.chaosbutterfly.org/
ELLA99
February 11, 2005 - 01:11 PM
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Oh, and furthermore, I thought Wendy's Grammys dress made her model look like a waddling duck from behind. Feathers right below one's posterior aren't generally terribly flattering. I would LOVE to see a woman with an ample butt wear that dress -- what a riot!
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Feathers on the butt sticking out like a duck's. LOL. That really made me laugh. You're right, from behind the feathers was jutting out from under the top like a bird's as she moved her butt down the runway.
ThomsTeddyBear
February 11, 2005 - 01:11 PM
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btw, TTB, was it you who was talking about that droopy-drawers bill in virginia???
it got shot down yesterday.
so I guess our Wendy is safe!!!
Droopy drawers bill? LOL! No that wasn't me, but it sounds funny as heck!
Eve889
February 11, 2005 - 01:11 PM
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if she wasnt gonna wear it, she shouldnt have been allowed to keep wendy on because of it!
Doesn't mean she won't wear one made for her with that design. Anyone know if Nancy's the same size as Melissa?
Chinchilla3
February 11, 2005 - 01:11 PM
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I was rather surprised by the outcome of the final three. Not by Jay or Kara I thought they had talent from the first show. They were 'originals', I'm sure everyone noticed that. I always assumed that Wendy was put on the show to create controversy, this is television after all. I never thought someone so obviously unoriginal would actually be given such a wonderful opportunity. Even the one challenge she won was seemingly by default. It was the least imaginative so it worked for an interviewer who shouldn't upstage the stars. I am probably the perfect client for someone like Wendy, middleaged, middle American, mother and wife but even I found her designs boring and uninspired. I suppose if you want someone to design for WalMart she'd be your girl. I felt badly for Austin who not only had beautiful designs but seemed like such a sweet young man. Though, I should hope, someone of such real talent will find a place in fashion. I know we shall all see great things from Jay and Kara they are both so very talented but I'm sorry that the last spot couldn't have gone to one of the other much more worthy designers. I like to think that this was not all just about ratings, you know, tune in to see the designer everyone hates finally get her due- but legitimately run.
Okay, you guys need to chill out with all of the insulting of Wendy's work. Okay, you don't like it. We get the point. Don't buy it. You guys don't like that she made it to the final three, but she did and theres nothing you can do about it.
She obviously has some other talent (contrary to popular belief) other than manipulation and trickery for her to beat out ALL of those other designers which you guys claim are so much better than her. This is a reality TV show and I am aware they are looking for ratings, but there is still some substance to it with fashion professionals such as Heidi, Nina, and Michael, along with Tim, who I highly doubt would participate in a rigged show (especially Tim, who I believe we all can agree is amazing without him having to do a thing!).
All I am saying is, she has talent. It may not be talent which is portrayed in a way which you find appealing, but it is there and to keep attacking it is not only rude and low but shows a lack of an open-mind. Everyone is different and does different things in different ways, and if they didn't, life as well as fashion would be very boring.You are entitled to your opinions, but that does not mean that you have to put other people down with the expression of them.
glamourina
February 11, 2005 - 01:16 PM
Wow, I hope you were able to get his autograph! Jay had me feeling a bit apprehensive about him at first but after seeing him distraught over Mario's elimination, I felt sorry for him and he's grown on me ever since. I wouldn't be upset at all if he or Kara won the whole competition.
NO I DID NOT GET HIS AUTOGRAPH. BUT HE SEEMS NICE AND VERY DOWN-TO-EARTH, VERY APPROACHABLE WITH A HINT OF "BITCHINESS." SO NO WONDER HIS DESIGNS ARE EDGY AND HIP, COZ HE SEEMS ONE IN PERSON. I HOPE HE WINS IN THE END. ALTHOUGH HE DID NOT WIN EVEN AT LEAST ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, AND A PERPETUAL RUNNER-UP, HE IS BY FAR MORE VISIONARY AND ORIGINAL THAN ANY OF THE COMPETITORS, INCLUDING AUSTIN. IM SORRY, I THINK HE HAS THE BRIGHTEST FUTURE AMONG THE BUNCH. NOW THE QUESTION IS, WILL HE BE AFFORDABLE TO REGULAR CONSUMERS LIKE ME?
psyche
February 11, 2005 - 01:16 PM
Seriously, I would love to Austin's bony little bottom in some wrestlin' drawers--beautifully crafted no doubt...
I've come to the conclusion that having any celebrity guest judge for the LAST design was the biggest mistake this show made. Not that I prefer America's Next Top Model, but they do have the very good idea of ONLY allowing the core judges--the ones that have seen the models all along--be the ones to make the final 'death blow' to a challenge. And even when they DO have guest judges (not on the last, pivotal episodes mind you!!!), never does the guest judge's decisions stand alone as to who gets voted off.
If, instead, we had had Michael Cors, Nina Garcia, and Heidi Klum ONLY, with a challenge that didn't directly relate to the judgement of a client from the outside world, having no association of what the designers have done in the past, Wendy's tired old flag would have finally been lain to rest. I mean, even when you have people with seemingly 'cool' fashion taste....Sarah Hudson seemed alright....but she didn't choose Jay's. So again, the world goes into turmoil, the deserving winners don't win, etc, etc.
So, as you all have accurately noted, Nancy O'Dell is the reason for Austin's demise. BUT--even more aggravatingly--she ONLY had to choose any non-Wendy dress up there in order for the deserving 3 to have made it. Meaning--had she gone with Kara Saun or Jay even--Austin not necessary--the Kors and Garcia could have done what they've (hopefully!) been yammering to do for about...oh....3-6 weeks now: Eliminate Wendy. The ONLY dress O'Dell didn't have to pick was Wendy's....and Austin would've been in. Because of course, overall, the judges felt that Jay and Kara had been more successful throughout the show, so up against them, that was why Austin simply wouldn't be chosen.
*Sigh...
Anyway, I will now busy myself for another post in which I pair up Austin's designs against Wendy's in the ultimate garment clash of the century....I'm a dork....but I'm depressed:(
goddessamelia
February 11, 2005 - 01:19 PM
regarding Tim, has anybody else noticed hes shown more now? Maybe they are reading this mb.
ericats
February 11, 2005 - 01:20 PM
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I'm so VERY happy that he showed his ex-porn boss that he has the talent and skill to make it.
What job did Jay have in porno?
ThomsTeddyBear
February 11, 2005 - 01:21 PM
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Go Wendy!
I agree!
oh, wait.
you probably didn't mean "go away."
sorry.
ROFLMBO!!
Eve889
February 11, 2005 - 01:24 PM
After looking at the four designers Fashion Weeks photos and the online video, I think Jay will win this one. I really liked most of his stuff (didn't care for the pink outfit, but it's slowly growing on me). He wasn't going for the fancy crowd, but the everyday crowd but still extremely trendy for those who want that. His collection really worked.
I didn't care for Austin's designs (even though I knew he was eliminated, I didn't think he had a chance to win if he were the final 3).
I don't see Kara winning -- I thought she had a good chance, her formal wear was very nice (reminded me of 1920s-30s styles), but could use different necklines instead of basically all the same. But those aviator pant outfits were just hideous. No one looks good in jodhpurs -- no one.
I liked Wendy's collecton -- didn't bowl me over, but I liked several of the dresses and the pantsuits. She could fit in mainstream.
One thing I didn't realize -- when they filmed all the challenges that they were done within 3 weeks. I'd have gone nuts trying to get that much work done in so short a time.
sarahcatherine
February 11, 2005 - 01:24 PM
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What job did Jay have in porno?
I think I read that he designed a website, but in his interview video on this site he mentions that he moved to Amsterdam and then in a roundabout way ended up working in porn for two years...the Amsterdam connection makes me wonder about what job he actually did.
ThomsTeddyBear
February 11, 2005 - 01:30 PM
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it looks like Nancy O'Dell is *not* going to wear the Wendy muppet outfit. it is up for auction on the PR site.
if she wasnt gonna wear it, she shouldnt have been allowed to keep wendy on because of it!
So basically Austin got shafted for no reason??!
Excuse me, I'm going to go take a blood pressure pill...and I don't have high blood pressure.
psyche
February 11, 2005 - 01:30 PM
Okay, heeeeeere we go!
Ep. 1: Innovation
Austin: clearly the most innovative and daring to viably construct a dress made out of corn that could clearly have looked like a potato sack (or a 'corn sack', if you like) but instead incorrporated a beautiful bodice and line. I wanted to wear it, chaffing and all.
Wendy: While attempting to be daring with her candy construction, Wendy did not have enough supplies to complete a wearable garment, so poor Josianne had to wear her own underwear. Oh well....a beginner's mistake no doubt....SURELY this type of mistake won't ever happen again, least of all by the very same designer....again....(STEAM ALREDY POURING OUT OF EARS!!!!
Round 2: Envyyyyyyyy
Austin: One of my favorite gowns--that perfect green apple and Martinique's beautiful swagger made me want to play dress up for Halloween or any beautiful occasion. (Note that these first few challenges involve more 'fantasy' which perfectly suited Austin's visionary style--no wonder he flourished!)
Wendy: Again, perhaps not hitting her stride. I didn't particularly loath this dress, but again, it's construction seemed....slightly amiss.
Ep/Round 3: Bananaland...
Austin: The now famous 'froo-froo'...I loved it and I think it was a heck of a lot more interesting and beautiful and fitting to women of ALL sizes than Wendy's.
Wendy: The winner, and while it looked beautiful on Audrey...I don't think all of America could as easily wear this design. But still I won't bash the dress because I liked it.
I realize this is going to take way too damn long...so anyone else who wants to weigh in on the Austin vs. Wendy cage match--please do so!
ThomsTeddyBear
February 11, 2005 - 01:34 PM
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Bob Mackie was big in the 70s. He often did Cher's more outrageous outfits but he also dressed Carol Burnett for her show. If you've ever seen Carol's satire "Went With the Wind" where she has a curtain rod in the back of her outfit, that visual joke was a Bob Mackie design. That sketch is considered one of the all time great scenes of that comedy/variety show.
lk
I remember that! It was so funny!
Whatever happened to shows like that! Carol Burnett was GREAT! So was Flip Wilson - it was the first time I ever saw a man in a dress! Remember Geraldine?
angeedee
February 11, 2005 - 01:37 PM
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it looks like Nancy O'Dell is *not* going to wear the Wendy muppet outfit. it is up for auction on the PR site.
if she wasnt gonna wear it, she shouldnt have been allowed to keep wendy on because of it!
actually, I think it is just like the rock n roll challenge. she will be wearing wendy's design, not the outfit she made for melissa.
after all, melissa is about 6 feet 1 inch tall, and nancy is not. also, i think nancy is not built the same as melissa.
same wiht the rock and roll challenge. i mean, you can't expect nancy o'dell to wear a dress that was custom made for someone else's body.
let's hope she can convince wendy to lose the feathers.
and i hope wendy completes it so that nancy's clothes don't fall off on the red carpet.
and i hope nancy remembers to bring her own underwear.
lisakaz
February 11, 2005 - 01:41 PM
Yep. You read it rightly. I wonder if the producers prodded her on liking the color of Cruella's dress, which opens up a whole can of worms, since the color has to do with the stolen fabric. If so, no stolen fabric means Kara wins and Cruella goes home.
Here's interesting quote I got from Newsday: "In the house, "Project Runway's" Austin Scarlett (eliminated last night), who was judged a little harshly by Kors on the reality show, said, with prodding, that one of the gowns looked 'a little Frederick's of Hollywood.'"
Meow? Or set up or what? Hmm, I wonder.
lk
luvinkpenz
February 11, 2005 - 01:45 PM
I am with you, Dorkiness and all
ThomsTeddyBear
February 11, 2005 - 01:46 PM
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Seriously, I would love to Austin's bony little bottom in some wrestlin' drawers--beautifully crafted no doubt...
I've come to the conclusion that having any celebrity guest judge for the LAST design was the biggest mistake this show made. Not that I prefer America's Next Top Model, but they do have the very good idea of ONLY allowing the core judges--the ones that have seen the models all along--be the ones to make the final 'death blow' to a challenge. And even when they DO have guest judges (not on the last, pivotal episodes mind you!!!), never does the guest judge's decisions stand alone as to who gets voted off.
If, instead, we had had Michael Cors, Nina Garcia, and Heidi Klum ONLY, with a challenge that didn't directly relate to the judgement of a client from the outside world, having no association of what the designers have done in the past, Wendy's tired old flag would have finally been lain to rest. I mean, even when you have people with seemingly 'cool' fashion taste....Sarah Hudson seemed alright....but she didn't choose Jay's. So again, the world goes into turmoil, the deserving winners don't win, etc, etc.
So, as you all have accurately noted, Nancy O'Dell is the reason for Austin's demise. BUT--even more aggravatingly--she ONLY had to choose any non-Wendy dress up there in order for the deserving 3 to have made it. Meaning--had she gone with Kara Saun or Jay even--Austin not necessary--the Kors and Garcia could have done what they've (hopefully!) been yammering to do for about...oh....3-6 weeks now: Eliminate Wendy. The ONLY dress O'Dell didn't have to pick was Wendy's....and Austin would've been in. Because of course, overall, the judges felt that Jay and Kara had been more successful throughout the show, so up against them, that was why Austin simply wouldn't be chosen.
*Sigh...
Anyway, I will now busy myself for another post in which I pair up Austin's designs against Wendy's in the ultimate garment clash of the century....I'm a dork....but I'm depressed:(
Hey, even dorks have a place in this world - you're adorkable! We had someone post some weeks ago who is a math wiz and he thought he was a nerd. I don't remember whether or not I agreed with him about any of the designers, but I highly respected his mathematical abilities...you should have seen the charts he came up with!
lisakaz
February 11, 2005 - 01:46 PM
Yeah, I though his Geraldine was funny. It takes the right sort of humor or guy to make a character like that work, or drag in general. Not everyone is a natural like Bugs Bunny...lol. I like Eddie Izzard and that Dame Edna guy. I think Benny Hill did drag on occasion too. The Monty Python guys were kinda stereotypical at it. I prfer when it's an actual character. RuPaul even seemed like a character and Ru sure knew how to wear a dress, too.
lk
ThomsTeddyBear
February 11, 2005 - 01:50 PM
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I'm so VERY happy that he showed his ex-porn boss that he has the talent and skill to make it.
What job did Jay have in porno?
He never said specifically but it was probably camera or editing. He did say that he was tired of paying for everything with dirty money and that his boss said "Well if you're such a great designer..." - basically taunted him to leave. So Jay took a chance and showed his ex-boss and I'm VERY happy about that
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February 11, 2005 - 01:51 PM
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Bob Mackie was big in the 70s. He often did Cher's more outrageous outfits but he also dressed Carol Burnett for her show. If you've ever seen Carol's satire "Went With the Wind" where she has a curtain rod in the back of her outfit, that visual joke was a Bob Mackie design. That sketch is considered one of the all time great scenes of that comedy/variety show.
lk
I remember that! It was so funny!
Whatever happened to shows like that! Carol Burnett was GREAT! So was Flip Wilson - it was the first time I ever saw a man in a dress! Remember Geraldine?
I loved geraldine.
I was a little one then, and my parents loved to watch flip wilson.
i always said i liked that "lady" geraldine.
it was years before I knew why my mother laughed her butt off every time I said that.
lisakaz
February 11, 2005 - 01:53 PM
Yeah, I remember that. Vindication is sweet. Jay has certainly had that, regardless or whether he wins or not. If the crowd gets a vote, he seems a favorite to win.
lk
ericats
February 11, 2005 - 01:55 PM
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Remember Geraldine?
I loved it when Geraldine would strut onto the stage in "her" platform shoes and when "she" would talk about "her" boyfriend Killer.
ericats
February 11, 2005 - 02:03 PM
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...dirty money...
Literally or figuratively?
Ok, lame joke!
anOutsider
February 11, 2005 - 02:12 PM
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Okay, you guys need to chill out with all of the insulting of Wendy's work. Okay, you don't like it. We get the point. Don't buy it. You guys don't like that she made it to the final three, but she did and theres nothing you can do about it.
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All I am saying is, she has talent. It may not be talent which is portrayed in a way which you find appealing, but it is there and to keep attacking it is not only rude and low but shows a lack of an open-mind. Everyone is different and does different things in different ways, and if they didn't, life as well as fashion would be very boring.You are entitled to your opinions, but that does not mean that you have to put other people down with the expression of them.
I found your message insulting to other designers. It is a fact that Wendy has certain abilities. But there were others much more talented which are not in the final three: Austin, Nora, Alex, Kevin, and Vanessa, to name a few. It is also a fact that according to viewers' rating Wendy is ranked tenth out of 12, outscoring only Starr and Daniel.
People writing here are mostly frustrated by the illogical way this show is progressing. That is why they sometimes express their opinions with stronger words. I mean no offence with the following comment and I do not want to call some people names - it is just a good analogy.
The cockroach is an animal found very often in human houses but that does not make it a lovely pet. Ergo, the fact that somebody made it in the final three in a biased show does not make her talented.
RGRRGR
February 11, 2005 - 02:27 PM
Does anyone know what and if the designers receive as a result of the final auction of thier designs? I know that when someone enters into one of these show's they basically sign away their life, but do they also sign away rights to their designs and any monetary compensation derived from their designs? Just wondering.
angeedee
February 11, 2005 - 02:27 PM
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Okay, you guys need to chill out with all of the insulting of Wendy's work. Okay, you don't like it. We get the point. Don't buy it. You guys don't like that she made it to the final three, but she did and theres nothing you can do about it.
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All I am saying is, she has talent. It may not be talent which is portrayed in a way which you find appealing, but it is there and to keep attacking it is not only rude and low but shows a lack of an open-mind. Everyone is different and does different things in different ways, and if they didn't, life as well as fashion would be very boring.You are entitled to your opinions, but that does not mean that you have to put other people down with the expression of them.
I found your message insulting to other designers. It is a fact that Wendy has certain abilities. But there were others much more talented which are not in the final three: Austin, Nora, Alex, Kevin, and Vanessa, to name a few. It is also a fact that according to viewers' rating Wendy is ranked tenth out of 12, outscoring only Starr and Daniel.
People writing here are mostly frustrated by the illogical way this show is progressing. That is why they sometimes express their opinions with stronger words. I mean no offence with the following comment and I do not want to call some people names - it is just a good analogy.
The cockroach is an animal found very often in human houses but that does not make it a lovely pet. Ergo, the fact that somebody made it in the final three in a biased show does not make her talented.
poo.
I think the bottom line is, this board is for people to express their opinions.
if our opinion is that wendy stinks, we are free to express that here.
if you don't like it, don't read our posts.
if your opinion is that wendy is talented, you are free to express that here.
i love internet message boards, but these self-righteous people who appoint themselves the politically-correct police really grate my nerves.
if we want to rant and rave about wendy until the cows come home, wearing their own thongs, we have every right to do so.
and please feel free to rant as long as you wish about how great she is. that's your perogative, and I respect it.
just don't tell me i can't post my opinion because you don't like it.
i happen to disagree with your statement that wendy has talent.
but i am thrilled that you have a right to express it.
ericats
February 11, 2005 - 02:29 PM
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I realize this is going to take way too damn long...so anyone else who wants to weigh in on the Austin vs. Wendy cage match--please do so!
Prior to the Nancy episode Wendy had won only one challenge and Austin had won two. Not counting challenge 3 in which they both had the losing design because they were on the same team (plus the bottom two were Vanessa and Nora), Wendy was at thw brink of elimination in four other challenges and for Austin it was only one other challenge.
So, prior to episode 9 La Wendy was on the brink of elimination in 50% of the challenges and for Austin it was only 12.5% of the challenges.
Austin won a quarter of the challenges and Wendy won one-eighth of the challenges.
FashionPookie
February 11, 2005 - 02:34 PM
Jay worked on porn Websites not at the porn set itself. He said something about webmaster/designer or some other behind the scenes computer job he had with some internet pron ring, no big deal.
angeedee
February 11, 2005 - 02:36 PM
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Jay worked on porn Websites not at the porn set itself. He said something about webmaster/designer or some other behind the scenes computer job he had with some internet pron ring, no big deal.
darn, that's so less exciting.
just made him more interesting to me.
but i wonder.
I'll bet he could have shown wendy how to make a thong....
lilysmom
February 11, 2005 - 02:37 PM
The show is biased in the sense that it was set up so that the final three weren't necessarily going to be the best overall designers, but rather the 3 designers who could best meet the challengers (and, given the little caveat they ever-so-quickly showed at the end, could bring in the ratings, perhaps?). But I can't believe that these people signed up to a reality tv show without knowing that, so I don't regard it as biased in an unfair sense, at least in terms of fairness to the designers.
Surely they knew at the beginning that a reality tv show competition was going to be based on something other than who could put together the best portfolio. If they'd wanted to choose the "best designer", the producers could have just gone down to Parsons, chosen some students, asked them to put together a collection, and given the winner(s) $100,000 an entry into Fashion Week, and an hour-long tv special. This was a reality tv show that involved a competition, meeting weekly challenges, and elimination -- all for advertising dollars based on ratings. How could people not know it was going to have some Survivoresque elements to it?
It was clear to the viewer by at least halfway through that this was about meeting the briefs (and potentially pulling in viewers) -- and a lot of the challenges (the BR challenge, the Sarah Hudson challenge, the wedding dress challenge, the postal challenge, and then finally the O'Dell challenge) were client-based. Even the whole swimsuit thing and the collection thing was decided on something different than the design. It was rarely about just designing something beautiful -- the envy challenge was probably the only one that really had that flexibility.
The irony is that the fashion week, which is what the designers really wanted, is based at least partly on who can design based on instructions, for a client -- but it also means that designers (such as Wendy, who I think really does listen well to the brief) might not do as well during fashion week as they would during a challenge.
But I can't believe the designers didn't know all that going in. In fact, I'd be shocked if the producers didn't have them sign waivers. And I certainly don't feel that bad for them. They're getting a lot of visbility out of this. I understand if/that they are temporarily frustrated. but Austin and Kara and Jay (all of them, really, that made it past week 4 or so) are incredibly lucky to have this level of visibility -- there are plenty of designers out there that would love to have it. There may even be designers out there that are even better, given the budgets and challenges they've worked with.
lilysmom
February 11, 2005 - 02:53 PM
" mean, shoot. jay was happier to hear that kara made it to fashion week than he was to learn that he had. for that kind of guy to say "i hate wendy" means something."
I think it means that Jay is kind of edgy, and expresses himself really strongly, and maybe has strong feelings -- at any given moment -- positive or negative -- about people or things.
ericats
February 11, 2005 - 03:00 PM
I think that the designers knew what they were up against since it is a tv show. While it is a tv show and subject to a lot of manipulation for dramatic effect, Fashion Week is real and I feel that Wendy does not belong there. Kevin had his own show at FW, Daniel is going to show at the L.A. Fashion Week, my point being that I think that other designers that have been on the show have what it takes to be there and she simply doesn't. Yes, the exposure that the other designers received may have helped them but Wendy would not have been able to show a collection outside of the PR runway show.
desperatewannabe
February 11, 2005 - 03:01 PM
Important things to note about cockroaches -- they are unbelievably resilient, they resist extermination, and they outnumber and outweigh us (if human mass is measured against all cockroach mass) by an extraordinary factor (like 10,000 to 1). Wendy's no fashionista and she may have been an -itch (although I do think her behavior was tarted up only slightly for the camera), but her designs are very friendly for Middle America. As someone said elsewhere, they look a lot like the stuff you see in Macys (okay, the word may have been "crap" and not "stuff"). Simply put, her work is saleable to lots of people who would not know what Fashion Week was if hit in the head with Womens Wear Daily. This means Wendy's designs potentially will be seen in many, many more stores than all the other designers put together. So while you are trashing her aesthetic, keep in mind she may ultimately be the richest of the contestants. A cockroach indeed.
FashionPookie
February 11, 2005 - 03:03 PM
Wow maybe you should do some more research. Vanessa, Kevin and Kara are all already respected designers in many communties and have sucessful careers just not huge main stream careers like lets say Micheal Kors. In fact Vanessa (www.vanessariley.com) has won many presitage awards not just in london but here in the states as well. Her gallery in Houston is impressive and so is her list of clients. Kara's clients are even more impressive I think, her designs have appeared on the SliverScreen, music videos, celebrity events and not to mention hit TV shows like EVE. They have raw natural talent. I have nothing against wendy but she's not very creative, too mechanical, but there is potential talent which I thought came out at the fashion show. Watching Jay's line go down the runway was the best for me, I'm a huge fan of his and I wish I was just a little closer to the stage but oh well, it was awsome show none the less.
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