lilysmom
February 11, 2005 - 03:06 PM
"and the wendy defendys can say anything they want about editing and all that. i don't think you can 'edit' the fact that none of the designers like her. i don't think they were swayed by editing. they were THERE."
I don't think most people are saying that the other designers like her.
You can't edit out Jay's hatred for Wendy. But you *can* absolutely edit out other negative things that other people have done -- you can make people look like saints when they're not. And you can balance the stuff from Wendy so that if she ever did anything nice, you wouldn't see it. I mean, surely we know at this point that this is the way reality tv works. They are telling a story -- I am 100% sure that they are not picking a random or even representative sample of clips.
I even wondered about the clip where Tim is talking to Kevin about how he's vulnerable, and you see Wendy look up, as if she's really interested in Kevin's vulnerability. That's editing. You have no idea how many other people looked up. You have no idea whether it even happened in the same 30 minute period.
Editing, too, accounts for how you see Kara Saun talking about how Robert can bs his way through anything, and then you see Robert bs his way through a design, and the judges all laugh with admiration at him. I really don't think it happened quite so neatly -- and even if it did, the editing unavoidably makes it seem like that's all that happened that day regarding that issue, when who knows what else went on. Maybe the judges laughed, but 10 minutes later skewered him, and we just didn't see that. It wasn't even clear to me that they were laughing immediately after he had explained his outfit.
So I really like to keep that in mind -- this is reality tv, and it's fun in part because it's edited.
I understand perfectly why people don't like Wendy. What I don't get is why people think everyone else is such a saint.
And, truth be told, I just have a knee jerk negative reaction against Wendy for being, well, over-emotional and too competitive and too insecure -- but also against Jay (making fun of someone's makeup on national tv? Surely if Wendy is guilty of all of these things, he could have come up with something substantive), and even Kara (I would have thought she could have been a little more gracious -- it was *always* possible that Austin was going to Austin-himself out of the running). But I just don't think any of them are behaving particularly well.
Of course, that's probably understandable at this point. Talk about stress. And, again, who knows what got edited out.
lilysmom
February 11, 2005 - 03:09 PM
"Wow maybe you should do some more research. Vanessa, Kevin and Kara are all already respected designers in many communties and have sucessful careers just not huge main stream careers like lets say Micheal Kors. "
I didn't say they weren't talented. Goodness, of course they're talented. But I do think they're very lucky to get this level of visibility, and that they are not the only 10 such talented designers out there. I mean, maybe they are -- maybe Bravo really tried to get the best 10 people -- but usually these tv shows go for a mix, and it's not entirely meritorious. People who are entirely fantastic might not even think to apply, much less get selected.
angeedee
February 11, 2005 - 03:11 PM
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Wow maybe you should do some more research. Vanessa, Kevin and Kara are all already respected designers in many communties and have sucessful careers just not huge main stream careers like lets say Micheal Kors. In fact Vanessa (www.vanessariley.com) has won many presitage awards not just in london but here in the states as well. Her gallery in Houston is impressive and so is her list of clients. Kara's clients are even more impressive I think, her designs have appeared on the SliverScreen, music videos, celebrity events and not to mention hit TV shows like EVE. They have raw natural talent. I have nothing against wendy but she's not very creative, too mechanical, but there is potential talent which I thought came out at the fashion show. Watching Jay's line go down the runway was the best for me, I'm a huge fan of his and I wish I was just a little closer to the stage but oh well, it was awsome show none the less.
you're right, pookie
Queen Latifah wears Kara Saun designs; i think she wore one to the Oscars.
desperatewannabe
February 11, 2005 - 03:11 PM
Well said, PJ, from another Philly fan of Jays.
roses1
February 11, 2005 - 03:17 PM
~~~Let's change the subject~~~Please! :-)
Hey, if we all could afford to buy any one outfit (and assume we had the bods to fit into them, lol) from PR's Fashion Week, which one would you pick? What was the outfit's best feature?
I like the sheepskin coats that Austin designed. They were booed by the so-called experts, but I loved them. If I had to choose one then the coat, and not the poncho, would be #1 for me.
I still like Austin's ruffly blouse, another one given the deep six in the reviews. It was paired with the high-waisted red velvet pants. Austin wanted to portray freedom and I noticed he was wearing what looked like a revolutionary era hat in the preview for next week's show. Anyone else see that?
BTW, Michael Kors' collection was not very well received. Some of the descriptions sounded like some of the designs found during PR! Hmmm, very interesting.
Okay viewers, what outfit from Fashion week would you like to own? PLEASE, no more nasty comments about you-know-who.
*smile*
desperatewannabe
February 11, 2005 - 03:21 PM
Amen. Vanessa said she couldn't pay her bills before Project Runway, so she wasn't selling a lot of pieces in her boutique. Kevin Johnn also had a Fashion Week show in 2002, (according to a schedule found through Google) and his career didn't exactly take off. I dispute, however, one thing you wrote -- that they were all talented and that Bravo looked for the best. I still can't figure out the Starr thing. She was cute, but her portfolio was just awful and her designs for the show were consistent with her portfolio. Like wendy, she did not have a design background, but apparently, she had no talent whatsoever. I think her Dad is related to the Weinsteins. (I am making that up, but it's the only plausible explanation).
FashionPookie
February 11, 2005 - 03:25 PM
I'm not sure how many designers tried out for the show but they couldn't have all been great or even good for that matter, lol. I think the "cast" was a good mix of personalities and I don't believe anyone to be a saint or evil. Their just normal people and I agree with you on the editing, who knows how much they leave out or even manipulate but that's what makes good reality TV;) However I do think for the most part thier personalities are coming through lound and clear. And as it gets closer to the end you have to expect some childish behavior, like you said "STRESS!" I can't even imagine.
ericats
February 11, 2005 - 03:34 PM
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But you *can* absolutely edit out other negative things that other people have done -- you can make people look like saints when they're not. And you can balance the stuff from Wendy so that if she ever did anything nice, you wouldn't see it. I mean, surely we know at this point that this is the way reality tv works. They are telling a story -- I am 100% sure that they are not picking a random or even representative sample of clips.
I even wondered about the clip where Tim is talking to Kevin about how he's vulnerable, and you see Wendy look up, as if she's really interested in Kevin's vulnerability. That's editing. You have no idea how many other people looked up. You have no idea whether it even happened in the same 30 minute period.
Your absolutely right, the images are very manipulated. Since the final three were chosen back in August before most of us had even heard of Austin, the producers have done an excellent job of editing to make us dislike Wendy. They could have made us love Wendy and hate Jay depending on what images we were shown. I think that they made La Wendy worse than she probably really is, although she was kind of unpleasant during epi 9.
Dorado
February 11, 2005 - 03:40 PM
hello, I'm John Dorado a new member, I joined because I found a lot of negative comments about Wendy on this site and others and wanted to have more intake on (personality aside) her style, and her designs. I think she's a fairly good designer. I love her BR Design, and I liked her wedding dress, but I'll admit some of her designs have been douty and just poorly executed. That aside, I thought she deserved to stay this long. Though she hasn't played what seems to be "fair" she's played the game. As far as Austin leaving, I thought a few of his designs were mostly gimmicky, and kind of over the top to the point where it's exhausting. Even Jay is a better designer in my opinion. My prediction, pretty obvious- Kara is going to win, who knows maybe Wendy of all people will win then what?
ericats
February 11, 2005 - 03:43 PM
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~~~Let's change the subject~~~Please! :-)
Agreed! Though I tried changing the subject last night and not to many people went along with it.
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I like the sheepskin coats that Austin designed. They were booed by the so-called experts, but I loved them.
Why were the coats booed?
ericats
February 11, 2005 - 03:52 PM
After some posters mentioned that Kara had changed Jay's top I thought about this challenge. Give the designers a challenge, let them design the piece, the models show the pieces on the runway, and then the twist: another designer changes your design with the intention of making it better (they can't sabotage the other designer because the worst rework would be the one that was out.)
Hannah_Lorrae
February 11, 2005 - 03:55 PM
I don't think any one of the designers or models drew a mustache on Wendy's child's picture; I think Wendy did it. She did it as part of her bizarre, stupid strategy. She wanted to shame the others into feeling sorry for her. She wanted to distract them from their work. It was like her other tricks ("finding" Kevin's dye, the missing pattern piece, stealing Kara Saun's fabric). Really, she's a piece of $h!+ who will soon find out how much the public dislikes her and how prospective employers are going to be wary of her. She's not a team player; she's not honest, she's not all that talented, AND SHE KNOWS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
SleepyD
February 11, 2005 - 03:56 PM
Chinchilla, I feel you are the one that needs to "chin-chill-out" (in telling others to chill-out, that is) and anyone else who is put-off by the comments/posts made by others on the message board that are pro or con with any designer/person on the show. Please read the original directions for discussion topics for this message board by the Board Administrator,
"Alexandra, Austin, Daniel, Jay, Kara, Kevin, Mario, Nora, Robert, Starr, Vanessa, Wendy are all vying to be the winner. Who's your pick? Who do you dislike? Discuss that all here!"
You like Wendy, that is your opinion, your taste and is respected as your opinion and taste. May not be a popular opinion/choice, but nonetheless you have that right and I personally do not begrudge you that. But to tell others in the kind terms of "chill-out" (or shut-up) when they themselves are expressing their opinions or choice does not serve to benefit the free-exchange of opinions and ideas this board is serving to *hopefully* give some feedback to creators and producers of PR/Bravo in what the public is feeling about their show.
Personally, whether by her own motives or the motives of the show and its producers to exploit her weaknesses, Wendy Pepper has given the world plenty of "message board fodder" to feed on and write about. Whether it is by her lack of skill and talent as a fashion designer, perhaps only in comparison to the others more skilled and talented on the show but nonetheless lacking, OR by her demeanor, actions, and personality and need to sabotage those that possess the skill and talent and deserved of the show's original premise, purpose, and subsequent prizes and awards.
Wendy made it to Fashion Week (congratulations Wendy!), however earned by her malicious, spiteful, and dramatic measures or by her skill of being able to match certain constraints of the challenges (I will give her that much) does not change the fact that there were several other designers that deserved the opportunity more. The premise, I felt, behind Heidi's quote as "Whose in, Whose Out" was to find untapped new fashion designers that could test the edge and design new and innovative fashion. Wendy is neither in nor out--she's an out-of-element dressmaker/seamstress trying to constantly find a molecule of fashion design to latch on to without any focus, innovation, or talent of her own.
lilysmom
February 11, 2005 - 03:57 PM
"I dispute, however, one thing you wrote -- that they were all talented and that Bravo looked for the best. I still can't figure out the Starr thing. "
I think what I meant to say (whether I said it or not ) was that they were all talented, but it's not like Bravo looked for the top 10 people in the country. These reality tv shows seem like they're always a mix -- people get chosen for personality, for talent, for conflict, whatever. And some people who might apply and be great -- it might just not happen. And some people might just pass under the radar. This show is certainly higher on the talent scale than, say, American Idol -- there's no William Hung here, I think. But there were clearly people who wouldn't be presenting at Fashion Week.
I do think that even the less talented designers here were talented, though I admit I'm comparing them to, say, me, who couldn't design her way out of a paper bag. And I could hapilly identify Starr, or maybe Mario, or someone like that, the least talented of the bunch (but who knows, we saw so few designs).
Starr was interesting -- and I always wondered how much *that* was scripting and editing. I forget the exact words on the website, but it was something about her being outspoken -- so here's a woman with a JD, looking to break out in the fashion world with these really exhibitionist designs, who describes herself as outspoken or outgoing, or something like that. And she just did not come off that way at all on screen -- she looked really introverted. (The designs were weird, though, I agree. Perhaps well made (though I don't know), but weird and totally not matching up with the brief). I'm really conservative in clothing, though.)
But by their own accounts, generally, these people are talented *and* lucky. It's not a topic I know much about, but I've always assumed that fashion design was a lot like any other artistic endeavor -- really, really hard to financially succeed in, even if you're very talented. I would think this level of visiblity is priceless. Kara's a good example -- she's immensely talented, but thrilled to be given a chance to do the runway. And for someone like Austin -- who is, what, 23 years old -- I'd really like to see him get something tangible out of this visibility.
Dorado
February 11, 2005 - 04:03 PM
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I don't think any one of the designers or models drew a mustache on Wendy's child's picture; I think Wendy did it. She did it as part of her bizarre, stupid strategy. She wanted to shame the others into feeling sorry for her. She wanted to distract them from their work. It was like her other tricks ("finding" Kevin's dye, the missing pattern piece, stealing Kara Saun's fabric). Really, she's a piece of $h!+ who will soon find out how much the public dislikes her and how prospective employers are going to be wary of her. She's not a team player; she's not honest, she's not all that talented, AND SHE KNOWS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks everyone for making me feel welcome!
anyways...
I think wendy's good, not great, slightly vilotile even. She may not be playing the game "fair", but she is playing the game.
Hannah_Lorrae
February 11, 2005 - 04:09 PM
ThomsTeddyBear, I totally agree! Wendy and her relatives pop onto the message boards every so often to defend her because none of the fans of the show will. Wendy was a ratings enhancer; she was the least talented designer on the show. She certainly didn't deserve to beat Nora, Alexandra, Kevin, or Rob. She didn't even deserve to beat Starr, Mario, or Daniel. Wendy - intelligent? My big fat butt!
oscar
February 11, 2005 - 04:19 PM
GAWD!!! I love fashion - but I just HAVE to break from this thread fetish.
Some of you "cats" sound like a Jr. High playground [expletive deleted] Fest.
Dorado
February 11, 2005 - 04:23 PM
THANK YOU! i've only made like what- 2 posts and I agree.
Hannah_Lorrae
February 11, 2005 - 04:32 PM
Yes, but we love each other and our favorite designers. It's all in good fun. You're welcome to change the subject or throw in some off-the-wall opinion. Then we can start a new junior high [expletive deleted] fest...
NewObserver
February 11, 2005 - 04:32 PM
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it looks like Nancy O'Dell is *not* going to wear the Wendy muppet outfit. it is up for auction on the PR site.
if she wasnt gonna wear it, she shouldnt have been allowed to keep wendy on because of it!
Well . . . maybe Nancy's not the same size as the model? Seems to me like she would get a dress made for her and not a six foot tall rail thin model.
lilysmom
February 11, 2005 - 04:35 PM
"Hey, if we all could afford to buy any one outfit (and assume we had the bods to fit into them, lol) from PR's Fashion Week, which one would you pick? What was the outfit's best feature?"
Okay, this isn't from fashion week, but from the competition...
Austin's Envy Dress. Loved the colors and the basic lines.
Austin's BR dress, though I can see why it would be difficult to mass produce. Loved the fabric. (I suspect I'd look awful in it, though). I liked Wendy's, too, but it was pretty basic.
Kara's wedding dress (it reminded me of Carolyn Bessette Kennedy's -- simple yet elegant with wonderful lines), or Wendy's wedding dress (I like the asymmetry, even though I know it wasn't terribly difficult -- tho I wouldn't put red as the color in the back).
Kara's postal outfit (if I had to deliver the mail in Minnesota -- seriously, it was the only one that was functional *and* nice looking, I thought).
Disliked: anything by Starr, anything from 2055, anything from the Sarah Hudson night, Austin's wedding dress, anything from the last show. And, actually, I didn't like the swimsuits, either. But I can't imagine wearing a swimsuit that also works as evening party wear. Pretty much I wear my swimsuit to the pool.
Dorado
February 11, 2005 - 04:35 PM
i think jay is hysetercial...
kara is TOO perfect...
rob was the monkey...
austin was the diva...(kinda cute though)
I kinda miss Starr... She's been gone for a long time even though she looked...bad, I thought her style was very different.
Hannah_Lorrae
February 11, 2005 - 04:39 PM
Each designer added color to the show. I would've liked to see each of them stay on and not eliminate anyone until the 8th or 9th episode. I really think Daniel was eliminated way too soon. The guy has golden hands.
FashionPookie
February 11, 2005 - 04:43 PM
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hello, I'm John Dorado a new member, I joined because I found a lot of negative comments about Wendy on this site and others and wanted to have more intake on (personality aside) her style, and her designs. I think she's a fairly good designer. I love her BR Design, and I liked her wedding dress, but I'll admit some of her designs have been douty and just poorly executed. That aside, I thought she deserved to stay this long. Though she hasn't played what seems to be "fair" she's played the game. As far as Austin leaving, I thought a few of his designs were mostly gimmicky, and kind of over the top to the point where it's exhausting. Even Jay is a better designer in my opinion. My prediction, pretty obvious- Kara is going to win, who knows maybe Wendy of all people will win then what?
Well although I do think Austin is very talented in his vision his clothes do tend to be more out of touch with the everyday woman when compared to someone like Wendy. I take no personalities into play just thier talent. Wendy has potential but so far she has been pretty inconsistant with her designs. I my opinion Austin and Wendy have a lot of growing to do. I know we'll be seeing more of Austin because there is no denying his genuine vision and talent. Kara and Jay are much more versitile and Kara has a advantage being in the industry already. For me Jay really stole the whole show, his designs are for the everyday woman. His designs work well as individual pecies and not just as an outfit/collection which is important to a lot of women, especially when you take price into consideration. Kara although beyond talented, designed a line that I felt was a little to unwearable by the everyday women. It was aviator inspired, the day wear looked like costumes but the evening wear was beautiful although the neck lines were all the same. Go to www.blog.chaosbutterfly.org to view the lines for yourself. Try NY Metro as well and there are an endless amount of sites that can help you decide who should win. Have Fun!
angeedee
February 11, 2005 - 04:47 PM
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GAWD!!! I love fashion - but I just HAVE to break from this thread fetish.
Some of you "cats" sound like a Jr. High playground [expletive deleted] Fest.
ROFLMAO!!!!
hmmmmm, let me look up "irony" in the dictionary.......
i'm crying i'm laughing so hard.
Hannah_Lorrae
February 11, 2005 - 04:47 PM
Jay, Kara, and Austin rule. I don't care what the judges say. I was glad to see Rob in the workroom because I love to look at him. Thank you, Jay, for yanking his towel off in the earlier episode. Austin, you have a major career ahead of you. You deserved to be in the top three, but you didn't actually need it.
oscar
February 11, 2005 - 04:53 PM
No thanks - I prefer my conversation a bit more on the constructive positive side - - a little less on the "meow" [expletive deleted] side.
Even though my first fashion designing was Betsy McCall paper dolls - - don't let my age fool you.
I LOVE Jay - - he is Big Loud Out and Proud - - plus he designs with a kind of Space/Techno feel - which I love - - he mixes fabrics/textures - he layers - he does raw hems - he is fearless.
And he stands solid on the ground as JAY - - not a "schmoozy" clone kiss up.
geenie
February 11, 2005 - 05:03 PM
I don't hate Kara Saun, but I have to say that she did come across as a bit of a snob and a know-it-all in the latest episode. Also, given that this is TV I'm wondering how much of Wendy's evilness is manufactured by selective editing. Every drama needs it's villain or villainess, right? Is she being set up to be the Richard Hatch of "Project Runway?" Just wonderind
Jennzilla
February 11, 2005 - 05:18 PM
So im guessing Wendy leaves the finale session after everyone attacks her?
excellent.
lisakaz
February 11, 2005 - 05:29 PM
Yeah, good point about the thong. She of course burned too many bridges to get that help. I bet Rob coulda helped, too...
lk
icscoobydoo
February 11, 2005 - 05:30 PM
This afternoon WENDY PEPPER got into her car for a drive.
At the stop light she saw KARA SAUN in her rearview mirror.
KARA was in the BATMOBILE and AUSTIN was beside her dressed as CATWOMAN. WENDY floored the gas but the next light caught her. JAY and KEVIN were waving to her on the side of the street holding a big sign- EXTRA EXTRA "NANCY O'DELL lands on MR. BLACKWELLS worst dressed list for GRAMMY OUTFIT". As WENDY takes a right she looks up in the sky HEID is dangling fron a 747 holding a big orange sign AUF WIEDERSEHEN!!!!!!
lisakaz
February 11, 2005 - 05:37 PM
We'll find out. But I think Jay's feelings and Vanessa's are real, so I doubt it's purely an editing issue.
lk
wendyfan
February 11, 2005 - 05:50 PM
I think that Wendy is the absolute best and should win the ultimate opportunity to have her line launched.
Everyone calls her manipulative and conniving, but she just knew how to play the game and her designs were really what was judged, not her mental prowess to outwit the other designers.
And she was the only one who had courage to give honest opinions of the other designers - criticism is important in this field and the other designers should learn how to take it...
wendyfan
February 11, 2005 - 05:53 PM
Your ranking is a little off - I think you need to bump Wendy up about, ummm - 9 spots!!!
luvinkpenz
February 11, 2005 - 06:19 PM
"but her designs are very friendly for Middle America. As someone said elsewhere, they look a lot like the stuff you see in Macys"
Yeah the number of soccer moms sporting gum drop bikini bottoms this year is simply astounding.
luvinkpenz
February 11, 2005 - 06:28 PM
Well maybe she deserved to beat Starr.
lilysmom
February 11, 2005 - 06:32 PM
"We'll find out. But I think Jay's feelings and Vanessa's are real, so I doubt it's purely an editing issue."
I wonder if we will ever find out. Actually, I'm not sure I want to -- the fun of this is the ambiguity, or maybe even just that they seem like such characters. That said, just based on Wendy's own comments, she seems pretty insecure and envious. The thing about editing, though, is that it doesn't make people look different than they really are -- it just makes them look more one-dimensional, I think. And we might think that one issue dominates the day, when in reality it might be way more complex. I mean, I don't think I really get the sense that I know any of these people, though I feel like I have a sense about one or two aspects of their character.
One of the things I wondered about was Kara Saun's comment about how Wendy had changed -- because many of the final competitors changed. Jay, by his own accounts, talks about finding his inner competitor. Wendy, by her own account, was feeling the stress -- even if you like Wendy's personality (as presented), it was clear that she was sort of snapping, both in terms of her frustration at Kara Saun, plus how she kind of went off the deep end with joy when Tim told her she had fixed her design problem. And about two weeks ago, Kara Saun started being somewhat less than unfailingly polite -- when she, who had never been shown saying a bad word about anyone, started wondering why Robert was still on the show.
So one wonders -- did they really change? How much of that was just the stress of the moment (I can't imagine having x amount of hours and a few hundred dollars to make a creation that millions of people are going to watch and talk about...actually, just living in a dorm-like atmosphere would be enough to drive me nuts. How much of that was just filming -- did Kara occasionally say the negative catty thing before, and was Wendy as difficult to deal with from the beginning? Just thinking of what it's like to be on one of these things, living in a fishbowl, ack. (I know, I'm sure many people find it rewarding and enjoyable. But I can't even stand to have my picture taken. )
Also, I think the PR creaters likely encourage some conflict. When they do their "confessionals", I'd guess they're asked specific questions....they know, for instance, that Wendy's insecure, and I doubt they discourage her from expressing that. And the weird thing is that the contestants have an incentive to play that up, to stay on.
At least people didn't pair up.
luvinkpenz
February 11, 2005 - 06:32 PM
I don't know if she was so much as a knowitall as she was the one left with the most experience.
Amberw23
February 11, 2005 - 06:37 PM
WENDY has been behaving like a horrible person and is a horrible designer. She isn't a designer--there is nothing innovative about her. OK, so she got lucky with her Banana Republic dress. And yes, it was beautiful. But the fact is, the Banana dress is really the only decent thing she made the entire show. There were other people WAY more talented than her, that for various, unfair reasons, got kicked off before her. How MANY times did we hear Wendy say things such as "I am not reinventing the wheel here?" That sums her up in a nutshell: she has no creativity! She only wants to make the same old same old same old thing.
And as for the article (http://www.citizenet.com/fun/articles/020305/style1.shtml) where she claims that she is not truly like the show portrays her...get REAL WENDY. You are on camera, on film, saying these awful things and talking about how you are going to do whatever it takes to win this show. But you know what? NO ONE else was playing the "game" like you. Everyone else was trying to win the show based on their talent & personality, not some weird "strategy." You had to make up a strategy because you don't have the talent to do the real thing. This is not SURVIVOR for goodness sake!
And it just makes me sick how two faced she is. She goes around behind people's backs and talks on camera this big game, and then tries to make herself look vulnerable and cry in front of people. She's so "poor me, everyone hates me." Remember this week when they tried to invite her in to the circle for good luck and she refused? What kind of person does that!? She doesn't understand that the winner of this show isn't going to win because he/she made enemies of people. The judges don't give a DAMN what goes on behind the runway. They want to see your WORK. So all she has done is make everyone hate her for no reason. This "game" she thinks she has been playing is POINTLESS because all that matters is what your clothes look like.
I firmly believe that Wendy drew on her own picture. Either that, or it was a ploy by the producers. Because there is NO WAY any of the people who were still on the show at that time would have done that to her.
If by some weird chance Wendy wins this thing, then there is no justice in this world. I thought she was a shoo-in to get kicked off this past week. And if she wins over these other two very talented people, then the judges on Project Runway are WORTHLESS!
I feel sorry for Wendy. If she has to act like this, she must be a very insecure & miserable person.
(Austin, you know you deserved to be there. And you will go far!)
lilysmom
February 11, 2005 - 06:58 PM
How do we know for sure that no one else talked about strategy? I mean, we know that Wendy did, and some of the things she said were unpleasant, I wouldn't dispute that. But how do we know that Austin didn't say equally unpleasant things? I assume he didn't, just to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't really know that. There's 30 hours of footage from each week, full of moments of artistically inclined people living together in a weird competitive atmosphere. I'd be surprised if there wasn't some other interesting stuff on the cutting floor. For all we know, someone else roasted Kevin's leadership style in front of the judges -- but just didn't get put on the final tv. (Also, I can't believe that Austin choose to boot Vanessa rather than Wendy based on anything other than strategy).
Also, I'd bet that Bravo sees this very much as Designer Survivor. That's why they have that little thing at the end that says they don't have to go with the judges' ranking. That's why next episode they're supposedly going to let the other contestants have a go at each other. How dramatically satisfying -- but totally unnecessary if one was really just interested in design. 90% of this is totally unnecessary if one was really interested in just design.
It's got all of the same elements as Survivor -- low resources (built a hut, design a dress for a little bit of money from stuff in a supermarket); conflict; confessionals; informal alliances; cheesy (often team) challenges in very limited time frames; people living in weird, close quarters with each other so they can see each other at their worst; elimination of one person a week; a villain; someone to come around and "host"; immunity!; the surprise every week; and so on. The main difference is that the competitors voted throughout Survivor on who had to leave. But then again, I've always been skeptical that it wasn't the producers in Survivor that sometimes made the decision, or at least had veto power, and not the contestants.)
Of course, I will be eternally grateful that at least no one paired off romantically, despite Robert's efforts with Alexandra. And Tim is lots more interesting and talented than Jeff on Survivor. And we got to see some really beautiful stuff, rather than rattlesnakes and people who hadn't bathed recently. (Of course, some of the people on Survivor, although dirty, were very nice looking.)
ericats
February 11, 2005 - 07:24 PM
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but her designs are very friendly for Middle America. As someone said elsewhere, they look a lot like the stuff you see in Macys
This middle America argument is simply absurd; the people who design for middle America are actual DESIGNERS not DRESSMAKERS. Do you think that a clothing company that is targeting middle America hires a DRESSMAKER to design their lines?
And why are we trashing middle America by saying that Wendy is the "designer" for them? Hey, I went to middle America once and I saw some pretty hip people there!
alzmum
February 11, 2005 - 07:34 PM
I'm very happy that Wendy is in! Not everyone may like her but she has grit and guts to tell it like it is. Wendy has not played a part in the childish games of the others. Not many people would smile and play nice when being called a cockroach. Personally I would have taken a more hands on approach to that comment! Keep it up Wendy!!
wendyhater
February 11, 2005 - 07:52 PM
Oh please, Wendy is the most pathetic excuse for a designer. If she wins fashion week, I will personally loose my lunch all over the floor, which would be a better design then she has come up with to date!
luvinkpenz
February 11, 2005 - 07:57 PM
I know middle america shouldn't have to deal with flooding, tornados and Wendy Pepper
birdaileen
February 11, 2005 - 08:03 PM
someone on here defended wendy by saying "you treat the others like they are saints"--- so assuming that ther others have vad moments, does their behavior, in your view, exonerate Wendy's maliciousness? I think that is a very dangerous moral vision, friend.
wendyhater
February 11, 2005 - 08:04 PM
I just checked out the wendypepper.com site, pile o poo, hate the t-shirt, who would want to be seen wearing that, and a bit presumptuous I must say.
But I did another search and there’s an eBay listing for an Ihatewendy.com site for sale, hilarious!!!
luvinkpenz
February 11, 2005 - 08:09 PM
Now I think we should all buy a WP t-shirt. Then put a big red slash across it.
birdaileen
February 11, 2005 - 08:11 PM
im afraid the show would use all of our purchases as evidence that she is good for ratings and let her *gasp, puke* win
wendyhater
February 11, 2005 - 08:14 PM
What an AWESOME idea! (about the wendypoo shirts)
luvinkpenz
February 11, 2005 - 08:18 PM
All the people who like wendy can get "I'm a pepper" t-shirts. then we can cross the street when we see them coming.