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Somuchforthat
If you want to start a new topic within an existing thread, go to the first post (BravoBoss) and reply to that. You are free to alter the Re: line to whatever you want.

We are NOT free to open new threads. What you see is what we got.
Somuchforthat
Sorry about the double post! Got one of those circular glitches.
birdaileen
http://www.jaymccarroll.com/
birdaileen
BRAVO'S 'PROJECT RUNWAY' A RUNAWAY HIT AS RATINGS CONTINUE TO BREAK NETWORK RECORDS
Published: February 3, 2005

FEBRUARY 2ND BROADCAST DELIVERS BEST WEDNESDAY TIME PERIOD NUMBERS IN BRAVO'S HISTORY RANKING TOP 10 IN KEY DEMOS AMONG ALL BASIC CABLE NETS


NEW YORK -- February 3, 2005 -- Bravo's critically praised original series "Project Runway" continues to break ratings records for the network with yet another stellar showing last night. The episode, where the five remaining contestants were faced with a challenge to create a new uniform design for the United States Postal Service, delivered the show's biggest numbers to date in Households 1.36 (+72% vs. season-to-date program average), total viewers 1,334,000 (+58%) and key demos with 935,000 adults 18-49 (+84%) and 826,000 adults 25-54 (+86%), according to in-home viewing figures from Nielson Media Research. Overall, "Project Runway" gave Bravo its best performance in the Wednesday 9-10 p.m. hour in HH and Total Viewers, A18-34, A18-49, & A25-54 in network history.

"Viewers have definitely embraced 'Project Runway.' They are not only watching the show but they are hooked and spreading the good word," said Lauren Zalaznick, President of Bravo. "We're especially excited by the buzz the show is getting at New York's fall fashion week as we prepare for the finalists' runway competition tomorrow in Bryant Park. The event has become a very hot ticket."


Among all basic cable networks in the 9 p.m. hour, Bravo ranked 6th in A18-49, 7th in A25-54 and 4th in A18-34 deliveries.


Among all cable networks in the 9 p.m. hour, Bravo ranked 3rd in women 18-49/18-34 and 4th in women 25-54 viewers.


Last night's "Project Runway" ranks as Bravo's #2 program season to date (9/27/04-2/02/05) in A18-49, A25-54, and total viewer deliveries behind only the season three premiere of "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" on January 11th.

On a special Wednesday, February 16 episode of "Project Runway" (9:00 p.m.-10:00 p.m.), viewers will have an opportunity to see some of the amusing and sensational moments from the previous challenges that did not make it into the preceding shows. The episode will also feature new interviews with the contestants and judges reacting to their experiences during the course of the challenges, as well as their personal reactions as they watch the series on television. Contestants will share their thoughts on how the series has also impacted their careers and lives.

Wednesday, February 23 (9:00 p.m.-11:00 p.m.), the final three contestants will face-off in a runway show in New York Fashion Week. Each contestant will present their line before the judges, the media, and an audience of industry luminaries. At the end, the winner of "Project Runway" will be crowned. The winner's designs will be photographed for ELLE by the magazine's world-renowned Publication Director, Gilles Bensimon. The winning designer will also receive $100,000 in seed money to help them launch their own line and a mentorship from the Banana Republic Design Team.

"Project Runway" is executive produced by Dan Cutforth and Jane Lipsitz of Magical Elves ("Project Greenlight," "Last Comic Standing,") and Heidi Klum. Klum's managers and fashion world experts Desiree Gruber and Jane Cha of NYC-based Full Picture also executive produced the series. Barbara Schneeweiss, director of television, and Jennifer Berman, senior vice president of production and development, oversee the production on behalf of Miramax Television. "Project Runway" is sponsored by Banana Republic, Cotton, Inc. and L'Oreal Paris.
ericats
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I hope that Wendy vindicates herself through her designs, not only during fashion week...




If you read any of the reviews of the PR runway show you'd know that the above is just not going to happen. Wendy pretty much got panned by the fashion critics. I read at least five different reviews and they didn't like her collection (I'm being gracious here, the reviewers were not kind). With the exception of the BR dress (oh, by the way, even though I'm not a Wendy Defendy I too liked her wedding dress) people who really know fashion and design don't like her body of work and that is probably going to hinder her. I'm sure that she has loyal clients and she has some fans from the show but chances are that she's not going to go too much further than that. And if you think about it, where she's at is not a bad place.
luvinkpenz
From everything I have read so far, it lookslike the winner is Jay. I bet Wendy is wishing she lost the Grammy challenge. She looks like she was shredded by critics.
FashionPookie
I hope that Wendy vindicates herself through her designs, not only during fashion week, but while working for Banana Republic, and then in her own "house".




Sweetie, I'm by far not a Wendy basher, I'm very unbiased. Being at the begging of fashion week I can honestly say there is no comparing Wendy to Jay and Kara. You should check out thier lines they presented at fashion week for yourself and read the reviews from the critics. Wendy although she has potential(which will no doubt develop at BR) has not found her creative stride. Her line didn't flow or tell a story. Some of her work was actually unfinished and that's not exceptable, especially not at fashion week. Some of her peices were very lovely but lets be honest "some" is not good enough, to be a top designer you have to be consistant and unfortunately she is not. Jay's line has recieved the best reviews and rightly so, his line was creative, fun, it flowed and worked as individual pecies not just a "collection." Further more it was for the everyday women unlike Austin's line and sad to say Kara's line. Although Kara's evening wear was quite nice despite the neck lines all being the same.
birdaileen
http://www.fashiondish.com/issues/Letters/...ters092499.html

this will give you an idea of the caliber of Ms. O'Dell's taste.
lisakaz
You think too much of her if you think she's learned anything other than being the same person in order to get ahead. Being rewarded reinforces behavior, remember?

lk
lisakaz
Exactly. That woman's style was followed until her death. Shortly beforehead, she met Princess Diana as some kinda odd passing of the torch to some.

lk
lisakaz
Sorry, but I severely doubt Wendy can do anything that vindicates herself. In trying to put her best face forward at FW she was a "borderline embarrassment." Her clothes were boring, for one. And no the others did not exactly do the same as her. They were relatively tame, even Kevin's comments to Starr, in comparison to Wendy. We still don't know who if anyone stole Kevin's dye. We do know who took Kara's fabric. We do know who was unnecessarily cruel in eliminating Morgan. And next week Wendy will be called out on a few things, it seems.

lk
psyche
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I would love to look like grace kelly everyday. I could wear AS's BR dress for making groceries, the corn husk suit for harvest time, the swimsuit for those sunny seasons by the pool, his wedding dress for those days at the asylum.




HYSTERICAL. And true....lol...Harvest time...he can have a whole line devoted to harvest food fashions! Like squash, turkey--he could even forey (sp?) into cornucopia and fall leaves...
oscar
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I hope that Wendy vindicates herself through her designs, not only during fashion week, but while working for Banana Republic, and then in her own "house".




Sweetie, I'm by far not a Wendy basher, I'm very unbiased. Being at the begging of fashion week I can honestly say there is no comparing Wendy to Jay and Kara. You should check out their lines they presented at fashion week for yourself and read the reviews from the critics. Wendy although she has potential(which will no doubt develop at BR) has not found her creative stride. Her line didn't flow or tell a story. Some of her work was actually unfinished and that's not exceptable, especially not at fashion week. Some of her pieces were very lovely but lets be honest "some" is not good enough, to be a top designer you have to be consistent and unfortunately she is not. Jay's line has received the best reviews and rightly so, his line was creative, fun, it flowed and worked as individual pieces not just a "collection." Further more it was for the everyday women unlike Austin's line and sad to say Kara's line. Although Kara's evening wear was quite nice despite the neck lines all being the same.




Thank You Pookie - - - I agree completely - - this is a well written honest assessment - - without bashing Wendy - - only indicating - she has some noticeable talent - - but needs improvement and direction.

Every designer - even the top ones - have hits and misses.

And let's make this clear - - I am a Jay fan.
luvinkpenz
Nah, Wendy already cornerd the market on Turkey.
CHICKSINGA
I think one thing we all know from reading through our posts is that we have our own vision of what is wonderful and I just want to say thanks to Bravo for giving us a really great show to watch and get obsessed with for awhile. I'm sure we all can't wait until the next installment! (ps - Tim was ALWAYS facinating to me)
One thing I hope we all remember. A lot of things happened during the course of this show's airing, the most impacting being the Tsunami Disaster in South Asia. While it is fun to watch and dish fashion let's all be reminded how lucky we are that we are able to do just that. This show also had another impact on me - it helped me come up with a name for a worthwhile endeavor - Project Lifeboat - check it out:
www.projectlifeboat.com
psyche
*said in fast-talking announcer's voice...*

First commentator: "iiiiittttttttt's B*TCHFEST!!

Welcome ladies and gentleman to B*tchfest where my opinion is welcomed and your's isn't!!

Today on B*tchfest it's the Wendy Defendys against the Austinites!"

Second commentator: "Right you are Tom! Well almost because it seems like the Defendys are now trying to pull in the Karasaunas without legitimate rhyme or reason. But the girl is just too hot and I think they know it! The Jay A$$-Kickers are untouched, still alive and kicking!"

First commentator: "With the exception of the A$$-Kickers, I beg to differ, Jim! As you can see, the Austinites have come out in full-force at the elimination of their beloved icon while the Defendys have commandeered Wendy's hometown population to set up an opposing defense!"

First commentator: "You know you always have to argue with me when you know I'm right!

Second commentator: "Right yeah, in what dream!

First commentator: "Why you &*%^&% ^%#*%#!

Second commentator: "Yo mama!"

*scuffling ensues followed by sound of papers flying and mics falling off the desk*




Oh my sweet Jesus, hysterical! Seriously, this is what this board has become.
Ya' know, I just headed on over to WendyPepper.com, JUST to see what was really up--I don't know if everybody here has....she has some truly dreadful things...(That silver shiney dress???? Whoa...) And some other 'numbers' that just wouldn't sell....but then she has some very pretty dresses. I know we're angry about Austin. But the fact is we already LOVE him--anyone who's seen the show has at least an ounce of respect for him. I don't think Wendy is seriously 'evil', though I've bashed her on here plenty of times....I'm just starting to feel bad...sad.gif Anyway, that's my confessional. I hope we don't end up seeing too harsh of judgements on next week's show....we all know Wendy's gonna get it and she just might deserve it from Kevin...but I kinda hope the 'forgive and forget' stuff will happen at some point...you know? I mean...it IS just a show...though I love and obsess over it just as much as the rest--and luckily Austin and the rest all have names for themselves now, love them or hate them...smile.gif anyway...I'm curious as to what will happen next week! *Gulp*...

BUT...to wrap up: bitchfest is still a fun idea, cuz' that way we can all get pissed at eachother over the "Starlet Scarletts"--my own Austin fan name --and the Wendy Defendy's can have the uphill battle upholding the name of Pepper!!!
luvinkpenz
Ahh, ya bringin' me down CHICKSINGA!
CHICKSINGA
Well that surely wasn't my intent...
psyche
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Nah, Wendy already cornerd the market on Turkey.




OOooooh, sorry, I thought she was all over Big Bird, as far as the poultry market goes...although maybe he could be considered a giant turkey...this needs some research!

(Yeah, I'm totally going hypocrit after my previous post, but I just really needed to make a horrible joke....)
lisakaz
Don't feel bad. It's a weakness. La Cruella never felt bad over anything she did. Hence, she deserves what she gets.

lk
luvinkpenz
I just an article saying that Bravo should do a reality series with Jay and Austin living together. OMG!!! That would be the bomb diggity bomb. I would sooooooooooo watch. They could do skits. Jay could do his Jesus and Austin could be Mary and toss in Wendy as Judas. So cool.
oscar
Why would anyone be angry about Austin??

Austin was true to Austin - - - he did not play the game - - - therefore he eliminated himself.
desperatewannabe
KJ, that talented, cute-in-a-passive-agressive-potential-chainsaw-murderer kind of way apparently got a show on Tuesday. Anyone hear anything? I haven't seen a story. (That would make 5 out of the 12 people who got a show in Fashion Week because of the show. That's pretty good odds, and would probably encourage a second season, dontcha think?)
Somuchforthat
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Why would anyone be angry about Austin??

Austin was true to Austin - - - he did not play the game - - - therefore he eliminated himself.




Well, that's kinda what I thought "the game" was supposed to reveal -- which one of the 12 contestants had sufficient personal vision to be worthy of the title of "designer."

Who cares if they can design for Banana Republic? For the USPS? For Nancy O'Dell, for chrissake? I thought the most revealing challenge was actually the first one. The only constraint on the designers was their own ability to see potential in their raw materials and maximize it. I thought the "envy" concept worked, too. After that, the "tasks" became much more restrictive and dependent upon the opinions of others. BR, the airheaded models, Richard Johnson, the Post Office, friggin Nancy O'Dell. Not to mention, choosing "team leaders" and then penalizing them for their leadership frailties. IMO, that is not how to discover the true potential of someone's personal vision. That is how to harness and diminish it.

This series got off to a great start and quickly crashed. Unless there are enormous revisions to the "formula," it's a one-season wonder. At least in this household.
lisakaz
Or maybe he overcompensated for the lesson of that wedding dress and he didn't want to pander to Ms. O'dell's tendency for fashion idiocy, considering what happened to him and to Nora.

None of us disagree that Austin can be, well, at least somewhat brittle in terms of the flexibility of working within a task and still being true to himself. Jay clearly understands it better and Austin would be wise to pick up some of that quality (even a small amount). That tendency was reinforced by the wedding dress challenge.

If Austin had switched models with Nora, he could have done a far more pretty and creative gown and she would have been far more adept (and "herself") in responding to someone wanting a non-traditional look. It would have been more fair (in a real world sense) to have the models choose the designer whose sensability matched their own concept of what a wedding dress should be. Having a client whose aesthetics do not match is not totally realistic, as what would bring that client in the door in the first place. There would have to be some rapport. The competition angle did not want a realistic situation; it wanted a TV challenge, and this rewarded designers who had versatility that may or may not help them in the real world.

I don't think that means Austin eliminated himself, however. There's a lot we don't know about why O'dell was chosen and why she was given so much power -- or why any of the guests had it.

lk
Somuchforthat
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KJ, that talented, cute-in-a-passive-agressive-potential-chainsaw-murderer kind of way apparently got a show on Tuesday. Anyone hear anything? I haven't seen a story. (That would make 5 out of the 12 people who got a show in Fashion Week because of the show. That's pretty good odds, and would probably encourage a second season, dontcha think?)




Kevin had a collection at Fashion Week a couple of years ago. Looking at his website (emusestudio.com), it looks like he had a Fall 2004 collection and a Spring 2005 collection, with or without PR. Not too shabby, either.
oscar
This is NOT YOUR show - - this is Bravo's show with Banana Republic offering the Prize.

THESE ARE THE RULES: The series will begin with the selection of these twelve amateur designers who will compete week-to-week on design challenges. Contestants will be eliminated on a weekly basis based on their execution of the design challenges until only three remain to face-off with full lines on the catwalk at New York's Fall Fashion Week in February 2005. The winner's designs will be photographed for Elle by the magazine's world-renowned Publication Director, Gilles Bensimon. The winning designer will also receive $100,000 in seed money too help them launch their own line and a mentorship from the Banana Republic Design Team.

NOW: if you want to set up your own game that is more intuned and favorable to your favorite designer - be my guest.
Jamee
Could someone please explain why Austin was out on episode 9?! First of all, Wendy's design was nothing any celeb would wear for the grammy's!! Austin's design was classy,sophisticated, and designed amazingly. I missed the episode so if someone could just let me in on why Austin isn't on the show now that would be great.
Jamee
oscar
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Could someone please explain why Austin was out on episode 9?! First of all, Wendy's design was nothing any celeb would wear for the grammy's!! Austin's design was classy,sophisticated, and designed amazingly. I missed the episode so if someone could just let me in on why Austin isn't on the show now that would be great.
Jamee




Because Austin designed for the Oscars - - not the Grammys.

Wendy won because the person they were designing for liked her design the best.

It's as simple as that.
luvinkpenz
read Tims Take.
alafrancaise
I was going to say the same thing: "Read Tim's Take." While everyone is obviously entitled to his or her own opinion about who should be in and who out, I think Tim's Take explains the judges' rationale really well. And if you read them all in order from Epi One (as I just did because I only started watching the show at episode 7) I think it puts Austin's elimination in the context of his performance throughout the show. Contrary to what some have said in this and other threads, I don't really think it was a matter of giving the whole decision over to the O'Dell person, but a reflection of his work in the whole series of challenges.

Also, please don't flame me for defending Wendy because I don't really deeply care about any of them, but it should be noted that Austin and Wendy did win the same number of challenges. And while Wendy was certainly less consistent than Austin, it was eventually his consistency that seems to have done Austin in -- in the sense that his clothes were too much like one another and did not evolve. His ability to evolve, grow and adapt is one of the things that Jay is lauded for throughout the "Tim's Takes" columns, and it is obviously a very important criterion since Jay made it to FW with no wins at all in the challenges (although several close seconds).

Again, please don't flame me. I think the judges are considering many criteria other than simply the beauty of the clothes and on several of those criteria Austin just didn't do as well as the other three (at least in the eyes of the judges).
oscar
I love Tim's takes - been reading them from the beginning.

This show was set up as a game with challenges. It was never about the best designer - - but who played the game best - and met the challenge each week.

Some in here just can't seem to grasp that concept.
d2000
Someone posted on here not too long ago regarding the "truth" about the missing pattern piece in Episode 4 and Nora's subsequent upset. I'm really interested in this and was wondering if anyone had more information.
Somuchforthat
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This is NOT YOUR show - - this is Bravo's show with Banana Republic offering the Prize.

THESE ARE THE RULES: The series will begin with the selection of these twelve amateur designers who will compete week-to-week on design challenges. Contestants will be eliminated on a weekly basis based on their execution of the design challenges until only three remain to face-off with full lines on the catwalk at New York's Fall Fashion Week in February 2005. The winner's designs will be photographed for Elle by the magazine's world-renowned Publication Director, Gilles Bensimon. The winning designer will also receive $100,000 in seed money too help them launch their own line and a mentorship from the Banana Republic Design Team.

NOW: if you want to set up your own game that is more intuned and favorable to your favorite designer - be my guest.






What's your point regarding Kevin's FW show?

If you're replying to a prior post, I did say that the current BS scenario is not something I'd watch again.
sweetiepie
OMG I cant believe austin lost to wendy...WENDY! they prob only got him out to keep the tension with wendy..such a reality show thing...OMG IM SOO MAD THAT AUSTIN LOST THO...arghhh...wendys not even good! like jay said, its gross
oscar
OK - that's it - - this is just too stupid.

I'm gone.
Monathepest
What is the dealio with Wendy....is she bitter or what??? Is she being kept on this show purley to keep the ratings up, because I KNOW it's not her awesome talent, her wonderful personality or sweet disposition. She spends most of her time on this show badmouthing her cohorts rather than embrasing the opportunities given to her...WHAT IS UP?
Caiman
Who cares if Austin got eliminated? So what if he doesnt win the "start your collection money" He still made it to fashion week. Even if he isnt in up for winning.....Getting a runway show during Olympus is still huge for him. Wendy will show her usual lack of imagination for the collection. Have you read the reviews? tongue.gif
d2000
I think this is an excellent article the whole way through:

http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/review/2005/02...project_runway/
luvinkpenz
I dont think he was able to design a show. I think he was just there with some things he had already done.
Die4Fashion
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Or maybe he overcompensated for the lesson of that wedding dress and he didn't want to pander to Ms. O'dell's tendency for fashion idiocy, considering what happened to him and to Nora.





This seems to be my only problem as well. During the wedding dress challenge I remember one of the judges saying that the designers had catered too much to the models and they lost their own design creativity. I think the whole time Kara, Jay, and Austin were the only ones who knew exactly what they were doing and were willing to deal with the task at hand. Wendy just annoys the heck outta me with all her whining and complaining. I agree that you need to be willing to do anything to get to the top, but as Kara said, someday you may need those people who you have previously stabbed in the back (not a direct quote). I am also just sad because I thought Jay, Kara, and Austin would've been the final three. I don't know how Wendy got this far, but she definitly won't win against those two!
sassychic
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You think too much of her if you think she's learned anything other than being the same person in order to get ahead. Being rewarded reinforces behavior, remember?

lk




don't know her well enough to think highly of her, but after it looks like she gets called on a few things in next weeks show and after the rampant dislike of her, can only trust in that something like this affects a person. they become introspective. is hope for a nicer person to emerge so bad? be honest, if she had been a nice person and won, people wouldn't be so peeved. she'd be the underdog. period. sorry, i just hope for best, not the worst.but to each their own...
tabbystarr
I have been watching this show faithfully since I got hooked on a 3 shows in a row sunday. I love Austin whatever fan name we want to give it. I never post on boards but I feel like my dog died. It was almost heartbreaking, he was by far the most talented (everyones entitled to their opinion) but I care about mine. Now I won't see him on the show. Not happy. I know Wendy makes it interesting cause she's easy to dislike but Austin was so special...I suppose I'll live. Hoping to see or hear more of Austin soon.
luvinkpenz
I dont consider Wendy an underdog. Seabiscuit, Rocky,Charlie Brown, they are underdogs. Wendy is simply has little taste compared to her competitors.
Suezin2qt
I disagree. Wendy has no creativity, no vision and no talent as a designer. She's only REALLY good at copying other people's designs. Copying the mailman uniform, copying O'Dells tunic (and the same color), copying the cape and dress. Making the decision to "OUT" Austin is absurd because the judges were not consistent. They let one person go for copying another designer yet let Wendy hang on and continue to copy other people's designs. The only thing original about Wendy's design is her "flap". She talks up her design to make up for what is not really in front of the judges - a truly original piece by a legitimate designer.

Like I mentioned in a different forum, I hope Project Runway has a twist where they bring Austin back. They made a big mistake. Although none of the designs were knockouts (I think the designers are suffering from burnout - not enough time to work the tasks), at least Austin's dress was creative and original unlike the canary feather tunic outfit Wendy made.
sassychic
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I dont consider Wendy an underdog. Seabiscuit, Rocky,Charlie Brown, they are underdogs. Wendy is simply has little taste compared to her competitors.




you missed the point. i said IF she were nice and didn't do some of the things she did, she would most likely be considered an underdog. not that anyone would expect her to win, but there sure as heck wouldn't be some slamming that is over the top on these boards. before you or anyone else gets their knickers in a twist, i have said that i didn't like it that wendy got in and blasted her behavior, but wasn't over the top. wanted jay, austin, and kara saun. so whatever. probably won't come back to these boards. y'all want to stay in a frenzy for those who want to be in the b**chfest feeding frenzy, fine by me. this is a good place to vent, but some of this stuff is so low that it's sad and imho, no better than wendy.
nabakov5
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OTO, I don't understand the love for Kevin either. That dude was a shady tool, he wasn't any better in character than La Pepper. Look at how he treated darling Nora and poor little Starr. Jackass.



...kevin wasn't shady at all....and nora was acting like a three-year-old in that episode....kevin might be called passive agressive, but not shady....he is soft-spoken, intelligent, sexy and fabulously mysterious....and he designs beautiful clothes....kevin?...can you hear me....i'm still waiting...(and waiting and waiting....)....hmmmm perhaps i should grab the reigns on this little obsession....naaaaahhhh






luvinkpenz
I wasn't disagreeing with you. And my knickers are tight (because of recent weight gain) but they are untwisted.
sassychic
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I wasn't disagreeing with you. And my knickers are tight (because of recent weight gain) but they are untwisted.




had to check. didn't want to sound like my knickers were twisted. understand the need to vent, but was a little disappointed with some of the stuff on here. you made me laugh. thanks. btw, glad they are not in a twist
luvinkpenz
oh lord so am I. Yesterday they were pretending to be thong underwear.
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