sarahcatherine
February 14, 2005 - 02:19 PM
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Thanks for the link! I wonder who "tweaked" it. It seems they kept the empire waist booby cups but the cups aren't as bunched in the middle (not 100% sure since photo is slightly blurred.) Hem of blouse is different and skirt completely different. Color doesn't seem as rich and seems more gold than orange but that could just be the photo.
I think the photo is just not so good, plus with all the bright lights she looks a little washed out herself. Comparing the photos on this site of Wendy working on the dress to Melissa wearing it on the runway show how different the color (at least on my monitor) can look under different lights.
I can't tell exactly, but it looks like they altered the ties to the top...it looks almost like they cut pieces out of the back to tie more like a bikini than just up and around the neck.
knitgirl30
February 14, 2005 - 02:23 PM
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Your guys dont know how excited I was to find that picture! I like screamed, and I'm sure my neighbors think I'm crazy (if they dont already), or being murdered.
That is so funny. I just sat through the entire stupid half hour of Access Hollywood (well with the sound off) for maybe five 1-second shots of the top of the dress!
Well I checked that site last night and again this morning and didn't see those photos so maybe they were posted recently.
Well I don't think they changed the top as much as some are saying, except maybe for fit. I do remember that lettuce-edge on the bottom hem of the top, but clearly it was a new skirt. But then again if she was able to dictate that they change the skirt, then 'tweaking' probably means she was able to say she wanted a number of changes done.
rufusblue
February 14, 2005 - 02:24 PM
Well we know the thing had to be remade to fit Nancy anyway. I'm sure all of it was tweaked. It's certainly an improvement over what was on the show.
sarahcatherine
February 14, 2005 - 02:27 PM
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Well we know the thing had to be remade to fit Nancy anyway. I'm sure all of it was tweaked. It's certainly an improvement over what was on the show.
I agree that it's an improvement, but still enough like Wendy's dress to know that's what she was wearing. I'd still like to know who got to tweak it, though. I can see Wendy coming up with this version, especially given enough time and without the stress of a camera watching her do it.
angeedee
February 14, 2005 - 02:29 PM
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The top is fitter to her tighter that on Melissa and the skirt. . . is that big ole'sequins I see????
I knew if i came back someone would help me out!!
this looks completely different. different color, different fabric, different weight/drape of fabric, different cut, different shape to the top. the bodice is different, the skirt is different, the trim is different. the hemline on both the skirt and the top are different.
talk about 'tweak'
knitgirl30
February 14, 2005 - 02:30 PM
OK I have the Access Hollywood photo up & comparing it to the Project Runway Episode 9 photo. Skirt is completely different, the necklace is gone. Everything foo-foo is gone. The place where the straps fasten to the bodice is moved further back to practically under the arm. The bodice fits is more snug than on the model.
RGRRGR
February 14, 2005 - 02:32 PM
When one looks at the winning dress from episode 9 on the PR page and compares it to what Nancy Odd is wearing, I cannot help but notice that there were quite a few alterations made to the final dress (i.e. the lower portion of the blouse is cut differently, the straps are different and the skirt is completely different). Who really designed this dress, for darn sure not wendy!?!?
nycgal
February 14, 2005 - 02:53 PM
I have been looking at the Grammy dresses from review photos. I also did start to watch the show last night and was bored by it. Wouldn't it have been fantastic to see all the designs by PR designers be worn by a select group from the entertainment industry. Every outfit last night just blended in. I saw no leaders in fashion expression. I have yet to see Wendy's design. It may be the best of that night.
Message to the twelve designers from PR, send you business cards to people in the entertainment industry for next year. You could do alot for their image.
ericats
February 14, 2005 - 03:00 PM
The "tweaked" dress makes W's original design look really frumpy. Melissa usually looks great in everything but I was comparing the two pictures, one from the runway and the other from the Grammys, and Melissa looks really bad compared to O'Duh. I bet the tweaker is a really good stylist/designer.
The above observation reminds me of a challenge idea that I posted a while back. Each designer designs a dress and then they rework someone else's dress and their dress is reworked by another designer. No one can do any sabotage because the best rework wins the challenge.
It would have been interesting to see how this person may have "tweaked" the other three designs from the 9th epi.
Thumbprint
February 14, 2005 - 03:01 PM
THANK YOU for posting the link to the picture.
The dress looks beautiful. The flow is a little different from Wendy's original, more tailored/fitted at the hips, and with more emphasis on the bust. More wearable, no worries about an unfortunate bending over or gust of wind blowing up the skirt. (Stuff that happens off the runway!)
But I must say, I don't think Jay's could have been used, it looked too much like an old 80s prom dress. Stiff. The bodice was unexceptional to say the least, and ignored the stricture against hot pink (sorry Jay, if you're reading this, I usually love your designs, including your Banana Republic design). Kara's was too mannish for O'Dell. Austin's would have been beautiful of course, but not business-like enough for O'Dell's function as interviewer.
I think the way things turned out last episode were correct - Wendy's dress was the most wearable for O'Dell at the Grammys. The final result is just perfect for O'Dell. As to the loss of Austin, well, I would have been equally upset to see Jay or Kara go. I'll be watching for Austin's dress at the Oscars!
I hope the next episode isn't too nasty -- the trailers seem to focus on attacking Wendy. Who cares? The judges seem pretty truthful on the show, and the rest is petty politics. Can't claim to hate or love Wendy, but she showed integrity telling what she thought of Kevin's leadership in the futuristic design episode where he was group leader. Wendy's statements onstage matched her statements off-stage. Most others condemned Kevin offstage to the camera but supported him onstage. Those who supported Kevin were actually lying to promote themselves as good group workers. Wendy's behavour there, while not friendly, was truthful at least and not sucking up to the judges' expectations. And I was really disappointed to hear Jay say he hated Wendy at end of last episode. He seemed so cool. You just don't need to get nasty like that. Kara at least hasn't been reduced to that level (that I know of, I haven't seen all of the episodes).
Anyway, that's my take.
Morgasmo
February 14, 2005 - 03:04 PM
Hmm...the dress came out great. I kinda miss the feathers tho, its a very simple design now.
Just finished watching the Envy episode. Wendy made several comments that in retrospect make her look a lot more awful. These comments I hadn't seen or heard before because I only saw the runway portion of this episode in its original airing. I was willing to think that Wendy was manipulative but up to a point she really wasn't that mean. But in this Envy episode she comes across as so calculated that frankly I regret even defending her. So I'll let that to her real fans. My bad.
nycgal
February 14, 2005 - 03:04 PM
P.S. I would like Michael Kors, the Elle judges and Tim's take on what the music industry wore last night. "I was underwhelmed" Can you imagine the incredible Kara's tunic and leather pants, Jay's gorgeous layered party dress,(I want that dress) Austin's Venus of the music industry dress. No wonder Wendy's dress may look good next to what was there. Am I sensing that the entertainment industry is feeling uncertain. There were no risks just blends.
Eve889
February 14, 2005 - 03:14 PM
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I FOUND A PICTURE OF NANCY IN THE DRESS!!!LOL
http://www.accesshollywood.com/slideshow/e.../entertainment/
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It came out cute! Very Nancy and very interviewer-ish. I think Wendy done good! lol
Thanks for the link! I wonder who "tweaked" it. It seems they kept the empire waist booby cups but the cups aren't as bunched in the middle (not 100% sure since photo is slightly blurred.) Hem of blouse is different and skirt completely different. Color doesn't seem as rich and seems more gold than orange but that could just be the photo.
The top looks the same (maybe a little shorter), but the skirt looks like it did before Wendy put those feathers on it. Just saw it on Access Hollywood, you can't see the entire outfit until she's interviewing James Brown and he shows her some dance moves and then you can see it. Funny in the above link (on my screen at least) it looked yellow, but on the show it looked the same color as on PR.
Cindy1
February 14, 2005 - 03:20 PM
Just saw the dress on the Access Hollywood site. I agree--if we thought Wendy's original design for Nancy O'Dell was "matronly", it looked a lot plainer after Wendy or whoever did the tweaking. The straps looked a lot less secure than in Wendy's original, as well. I know that there is a lot of tweaking--let's call it correctly redesign between runway and realway, so no wonder designers want all their celeb clients to be 5'll" and no more than 115 lbs. Would love to find out in Wednesday's show what had to be done to the dress to make Nancy happy. It would make a really interesting spot on the show. It didn't seem like O'Dell spent enough time with the designers so she could have worked more with each one of them to get what she wanted. And then we would have had a really good show with four designers about ready to strangle a client! Now that would've been reality TV drama for real!
And boy was it generally blah dressing at the Grammys--these celebs are so afraid they might hit some "worst-dressed" list, they are now not taking chances at all and are being poured into little molds by the stylists.
luvinkpenz
February 14, 2005 - 03:39 PM
Wendy admitts on her website that she exploited Kevins's position as leader for her own gain. I bet if her design was better and she had more confidence in it she might not said anything. But as it was she was trying to divert attention from her dress.
littlezebra
February 14, 2005 - 03:43 PM
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Can't claim to hate or love Wendy, but she showed integrity telling what she thought of Kevin's leadership in the futuristic design episode where he was group leader. Wendy's statements onstage matched her statements off-stage. Most others condemned Kevin offstage to the camera but supported him onstage. Those who supported Kevin were actually lying to promote themselves as good group workers. Wendy's behavour there, while not friendly, was truthful at least and not sucking up to the judges' expectations. And I was really disappointed to hear Jay say he hated Wendy at end of last episode.
INTEGRITY? From Wendy regarding Kevin???? You should read what she said in her own words on her website:
"I saw a weakness in Kevin, and I decided to exploit it. I’m not saying that was a kind thing to do, but in a competitive environment that is considered intelligent strategy. He seemed ambivalent about his role as a leader, and unsure about how to take command of the design challenge. "
So, instead of making that observation and trying to be helpful she pretended to be friendly with him the whole time, never mentioning that she had any problem with his leadership TO HIM DIRECTLY (yet, she did it behind his back to Tim). I Tivo'ed all the episodes since I was recording them for a friend. NO ONE else bashed Kevin behind his back - NO ONE. You are 100% wrong about that. Kara Saun said, that if he were a better leader he wouldn't let anyone try to take over. But that's a far cry from continually, after others said, "he wasn't the greatest, but not the worst", insisting to the judges that the collection didn't work because of him. By the way, although she pretended that ousting Morgan wasn't strictly to save her ass, she stated that it was because she was a "team player" and she was really doing it for the team - what a laugh!
I'm sorry, just a little sick of hearing people support this woman and distorting "reality". If you like her clothes, fine. But this is not a person with integrity. If you want to see the show again it's repeating CONSTANTLY on BRAVO over the next few weeks. Watch it and see how it ACTUALLY played out.
How about the chopping block moment on the Postal Carrier challenge.
It was Robert or Wendy. Granted, her "design" was better executed than his. But, notice her demeanor when sweet - cute Rob looks to her
in solidarity - she stares coldly forward. Then cooing "oh sweetie" when he comes to the back. If anyone behaved that way toward me or anyone I knew I would have no choice but to keep a distance. The others aren't turning nasty, they are simply expressing honestly how they feel - betrayed.
luvinkpenz
February 14, 2005 - 03:44 PM
I have to agree with you . I only saw the end of episode 2 and did not see episode 1 at all. I liked Wendy until she bad mouthed Austin on the runway in episode 4. I mean I was shocked. She did not say anything negative about Austin in the one on one interview. I think she realized his design lost and was thinking if she could get him off the show she would have a better shot at getting into the final 3.
Martyred
February 14, 2005 - 03:46 PM
Quite honestly, I neither have the patience or time for things like this, but I thought Mario deserved some encouragement. I was quite embittered that three out of the four designers who were given the most criticism from the judges were also the only three that attempted to something different.
I think the judges were far too harsh on Mario. I thought his concept of "envy" was not only interesting but also something I would wear. I liked that the model made the face, threw the jacket, gave the finger, and I especially liked the bullet holes. Beautiful women must walk on eggshells - Maya Angelou was right. Yes, the model was beautiful, which made the outfit, but Mario is also catering to a particular type of audience and a particular niche of style... that's the kind of dress they might sell at that funky, expensive store in SoHo... i believe its called "Venus" - is it Vivienne Westwood that owns it? well i'm pretty sure its whomever opened "SEX" with Malcolm McClaren in London in the seventies and thus sparked all that might be referred to as 'punk' fashion.
Anyhow, Mario, if you read this,I thought it absolute [censored] that they gave you so much crap. Alas, your dress was simple, but that is the type of outfit that inspires envy - in older women who can't carry it off, in men who can't have the girl who can, and in young woman who are threatened. The bullet holes (if they were beaded avec rouge beads, i couldn't tell, that would be amazing) were very telling of the plight of the rebellious or non-typical woman... I related to that outfit and the story it told. the length of the dress inspires envy, the pinstripes encourage some sort of respect, and the large bow exaggerated the femininity of the girl who is not only not wearing pink but also not the ideal female image - nevertheless, that is the girl many envy.
I am an attractive 21 year old and I have what I think is a close to immaculate sense of style that is nevertheless intensely different from anyone else I know. Most of the people I am friends with have a great sense of style, but none of them are the same. i am repeatedly told how awesome it is that i can carry off the things i wear, but at the same time, i am incessently gawked at by girls with their ridiculous juicy couture uniforms, huge chanel sunglasses, and louis vuitton purses. Everytime they stare me down, they have this look in their eyes like they assume they are intimidating and/or somehow better than me. Ladies, I'm spoiled as hell too, and I own just as much expensive, [censored] clothing and accessories as you, but I don't rely on my tacky obviously low-end designer goods to intimidate anyone. if i intimidate anyone, ever, its primarily because i dress differently, yet classy, and most women with their coifed hair and orange skin look like they were all cut from the same mold... i am an eloquent, intelligent, very kind and sweet young lady, but those who don't know me merely assume I'm angsty and/or don't like them. these girls that give me such looks are consumed by envy and i oftentimes feel as though they shoot me with their eyes and their thoughts - which is why bullet holes are fitting.
theres a line from a song by 'the faint' - it says "if you glare to get what you want, it'll become your look." that dress represented the pain of envy. they glare, we suffer, and have to mantain that "[censored] you" attitude to get the so called bullets to ricochet against our egos en lieu of allowing them to penetrate and destroy us.
After all, its not me these people hate, its that i can do what i do and i don't have to pay for it the way they would. Thus, that the bullet holes are on the CLOTHING make them perfectly appropriate. It's the shell, the exterior, that we are judged by. And as for how little fabric the dress used, that can be reflective of the fact that appearance makes up very little of a person, but that it is often times the aspect of our character that is most likely to destroy us.
luvinkpenz
February 14, 2005 - 04:01 PM
OOOOk. Back to Wendy. You know what I wonde. How the top would look with black leather pants
angeedee
February 14, 2005 - 04:06 PM
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Can't claim to hate or love Wendy, but she showed integrity telling what she thought of Kevin's leadership in the futuristic design episode where he was group leader. Wendy's statements onstage matched her statements off-stage. Most others condemned Kevin offstage to the camera but supported him onstage. Those who supported Kevin were actually lying to promote themselves as good group workers. Wendy's behavour there, while not friendly, was truthful at least and not sucking up to the judges' expectations. And I was really disappointed to hear Jay say he hated Wendy at end of last episode.
INTEGRITY? From Wendy regarding Kevin???? You should read what she said in her own words on her website:
"I saw a weakness in Kevin, and I decided to exploit it. I’m not saying that was a kind thing to do, but in a competitive environment that is considered intelligent strategy. He seemed ambivalent about his role as a leader, and unsure about how to take command of the design challenge. "
So, instead of making that observation and trying to be helpful she pretended to be friendly with him the whole time, never mentioning that she had any problem with his leadership TO HIM DIRECTLY (yet, she did it behind his back to Tim). I Tivo'ed all the episodes since I was recording them for a friend. NO ONE else bashed Kevin behind his back - NO ONE. You are 100% wrong about that. Kara Saun said, that if he were a better leader he wouldn't let anyone try to take over. But that's a far cry from continually, after others said, "he wasn't the greatest, but not the worst", insisting to the judges that the collection didn't work because of him. By the way, although she pretended that ousting Morgan wasn't strictly to save her ass, she stated that it was because she was a "team player" and she was really doing it for the team - what a laugh!
I'm sorry, just a little sick of hearing people support this woman and distorting "reality". If you like her clothes, fine. But this is not a person with integrity. If you want to see the show again it's repeating CONSTANTLY on BRAVO over the next few weeks. Watch it and see how it ACTUALLY played out.
How about the chopping block moment on the Postal Carrier challenge.
It was Robert or Wendy. Granted, her "design" was better executed than his. But, notice her demeanor when sweet - cute Rob looks to her
in solidarity - she stares coldly forward. Then cooing "oh sweetie" when he comes to the back. If anyone behaved that way toward me or anyone I knew I would have no choice but to keep a distance. The others aren't turning nasty, they are simply expressing honestly how they feel - betrayed.
I agree with just about everything you said.
but you know what?
they don't need to listen to you, they can listen to wendy herself. re: the kevin episode, she WROTE ON HER WEBSITE that she had to scheme because she couldn't rely on her talent.
hello????????
so, are the wendy defendys going to say that she distorted/edited/mischaracterized HERSELF?
we are not making this up.
but who needs to argue............
i think wednesday's episode will remove all doubt that there is some sort of conspiracy afoot to make wendy look bad.
i believe the solution to the "mystery" is very simple. she's not a nice person. she has no talent. and some people who know her well, and know a little bit about designing, are gonig to say that for us.
lisakaz
February 14, 2005 - 04:09 PM
And it kinda got worse, Morgasmo. I mean, since I think your name derives from the model Morgan, I thought that elimination was particularly mean-spirited since it was so unnecessary.
Wow, didn't think you would say that, though. Thanks for the background and the candid assessment.
lk
lisakaz
February 14, 2005 - 04:12 PM
No one knocked my sox off, that's for sure. Maybe they coulda used some Austin last night. They made the Lynard Skynard guy in the JD T-Shirt look good.
lk
Loomchick
February 14, 2005 - 04:28 PM
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I am an attractive 21 year old and I have what I think is a close to immaculate sense of style that is nevertheless intensely different from anyone else I know. Most of the people I am friends with have a great sense of style, but none of them are the same. i am repeatedly told how awesome it is that i can carry off the things i wear, but at the same time, i am incessently gawked at by girls with their ridiculous juicy couture uniforms, huge chanel sunglasses, and louis vuitton purses. Everytime they stare me down, they have this look in their eyes like they assume they are intimidating and/or somehow better than me. Ladies, I'm spoiled as hell too, and I own just as much expensive, [censored] clothing and accessories as you, but I don't rely on my tacky obviously low-end designer goods to intimidate anyone. if i intimidate anyone, ever, its primarily because i dress differently, yet classy, and most women with their coifed hair and orange skin look like they were all cut from the same mold... i am an eloquent, intelligent, very kind and sweet young lady, but those who don't know me merely assume I'm angsty and/or don't like them. these girls that give me such looks are consumed by envy and i oftentimes feel as though they shoot me with their eyes and their thoughts - which is why bullet holes are fitting.
Thanks for the laugh!
angeedee
February 14, 2005 - 04:29 PM
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No one knocked my sox off, that's for sure. Maybe they coulda used some Austin last night. They made the Lynard Skynard guy in the JD T-Shirt look good.
lk
i saw some of the fashion press, and they were raving about how lovely beyonce and queen latifah looked in their "GLAMOROUS" gowns.
apparently it's not a dirty word, after all.
so there's one for the austinites!!
luvinkpenz
February 14, 2005 - 04:33 PM
In response to the defacement of her daughters picture Wendy Pepper writes "As for the actions of those around me I was saddened to see that no one reached out to comfort me when I had obviously been attacked in a very unfair way. It may surprise people to know that at one point in the filming of the show, I helped everyone in their projects in one way or another. Sure, I was there to win and made no bones about it - but I would never have allowed someone to suffer the way I did and offer no consolation. There is a difference between engaging in honest competition and providing humanitarian compassion. "
Of course no one comforter her, she was accusing them of defacing the picture. That like hugging your sister after you slept with her boyfriend.
Chinchilla3
February 14, 2005 - 04:38 PM
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Quite honestly, I neither have the patience or time for things like this, but I thought Mario deserved some encouragement. I was quite embittered that three out of the four designers who were given the most criticism from the judges were also the only three that attempted to something different.
I think the judges were far too harsh on Mario. I thought his concept of "envy" was not only interesting but also something I would wear. I liked that the model made the face, threw the jacket, gave the finger, and I especially liked the bullet holes. Beautiful women must walk on eggshells - Maya Angelou was right. Yes, the model was beautiful, which made the outfit, but Mario is also catering to a particular type of audience and a particular niche of style... that's the kind of dress they might sell at that funky, expensive store in SoHo... i believe its called "Venus" - is it Vivienne Westwood that owns it? well i'm pretty sure its whomever opened "SEX" with Malcolm McClaren in London in the seventies and thus sparked all that might be referred to as 'punk' fashion.
Anyhow, Mario, if you read this,I thought it absolute [censored] that they gave you so much crap. Alas, your dress was simple, but that is the type of outfit that inspires envy - in older women who can't carry it off, in men who can't have the girl who can, and in young woman who are threatened. The bullet holes (if they were beaded avec rouge beads, i couldn't tell, that would be amazing) were very telling of the plight of the rebellious or non-typical woman... I related to that outfit and the story it told. the length of the dress inspires envy, the pinstripes encourage some sort of respect, and the large bow exaggerated the femininity of the girl who is not only not wearing pink but also not the ideal female image - nevertheless, that is the girl many envy.
I am an attractive 21 year old and I have what I think is a close to immaculate sense of style that is nevertheless intensely different from anyone else I know. Most of the people I am friends with have a great sense of style, but none of them are the same. i am repeatedly told how awesome it is that i can carry off the things i wear, but at the same time, i am incessently gawked at by girls with their ridiculous juicy couture uniforms, huge chanel sunglasses, and louis vuitton purses. Everytime they stare me down, they have this look in their eyes like they assume they are intimidating and/or somehow better than me. Ladies, I'm spoiled as hell too, and I own just as much expensive, [censored] clothing and accessories as you, but I don't rely on my tacky obviously low-end designer goods to intimidate anyone. if i intimidate anyone, ever, its primarily because i dress differently, yet classy, and most women with their coifed hair and orange skin look like they were all cut from the same mold... i am an eloquent, intelligent, very kind and sweet young lady, but those who don't know me merely assume I'm angsty and/or don't like them. these girls that give me such looks are consumed by envy and i oftentimes feel as though they shoot me with their eyes and their thoughts - which is why bullet holes are fitting.
theres a line from a song by 'the faint' - it says "if you glare to get what you want, it'll become your look." that dress represented the pain of envy. they glare, we suffer, and have to mantain that "[censored] you" attitude to get the so called bullets to ricochet against our egos en lieu of allowing them to penetrate and destroy us.
After all, its not me these people hate, its that i can do what i do and i don't have to pay for it the way they would. Thus, that the bullet holes are on the CLOTHING make them perfectly appropriate. It's the shell, the exterior, that we are judged by. And as for how little fabric the dress used, that can be reflective of the fact that appearance makes up very little of a person, but that it is often times the aspect of our character that is most likely to destroy us.
First, I would like to say that I liked Mario alot. Not only was he hot, but he seemed like he was a pretty good designer and he seemed like a cool guy over all. His problem was his lack of effort and his perceived laziness. In the first challenge he threw his dress together in twenty minutes, though it did come out pretty well. In the second challenge, he created a dress using the simplest design structure possible (as Nora said, and though I have no formal training I trust her especially considering she is a recent graduate) and gave the simplest most general description of his concept of envy that was humanly possible. He didn't show enough effort and I think that is what the judges were looking for in that challenge and that point in time, so I do think that he was definitely eliminated at the right time. (I cannot stop thinking about those lips, though. Boy, oh boy!)
Also, I hope he realizes that his elimination was his own fault and doesn't try to project his misfortune onto Wendy. That's just not cool.
JustTzujIt
February 14, 2005 - 04:38 PM
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OOOOk. Back to Wendy. You know what I wonde. How the top would look with black leather pants
Umm... perfect for a Halloween party?
I think it'd be cute with distressed jeans. Though as much as I like citruses, bright orange isn't my thing.
luvinkpenz
February 14, 2005 - 04:42 PM
yeah you maybe right. not black. Brown suede, Skirt or pants. I am not liking it all one color. I think it might be too orange
luvinkpenz
February 14, 2005 - 04:44 PM
its the great pumkin nancy o'dell
lisakaz
February 14, 2005 - 04:50 PM
She clearly does not understand how other people see her and thus cannot fathom their responses. Her bad acts are always defensible AND she wants them to like her? Huh? Who was going to "take care" of her and WHY? What a headcase. Morgan is clearly sane next to her.
lk
lisakaz
February 14, 2005 - 04:56 PM
LOL. Charlie Brown: "I got a rock."
I was thinking Gossamer (the orange monser who tries to kill Bugs Bunny -- he wears sneakers).
lk
angeedee
February 14, 2005 - 04:56 PM
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She clearly does not understand how other people see her and thus cannot fathom their responses. Her bad acts are always defensible AND she wants them to like her? Huh? Who was going to "take care" of her and WHY? What a headcase. Morgan is clearly sane next to her.
lk
i think the term you're looking for is "sociopath."
definition: superficial charm, manipulative, grandiose sense of self, pathological lying, lack of remorse, shame or guilt, shallow emotions, lack of empathy, poor behavior controls, unreliability, parasitic lifestyle, etc., etc.
she doesn't feel remorse for what she does. It's like she feels everyone should just take all she gives but not hold her responsible for it.
luvinkpenz
February 14, 2005 - 05:01 PM
Press clip:
Jay McCarroll is guided by an urban streetwise aesthetic, has a brash, unerring sense of humor, and is fond of giving interviews in a huge fur stole, like a Hollywood starlet. He is also arguably the show's most talented designer. But he runs neck-and-neck with the unflappable Kara Saun, who moves fluently from hip-hop looks to elegant feminine styles, and the appropriately named Austin Scarlett, a technical wunderkind who designs girly Gone With the Wind-era confections, sets his hair in hot rollers, and sleeps in an ascot. The dark-horse contender is Wendy Pepper, a marginally talented designer but the only one who seems to have a developed strategy: She cultivates the persona of a small-town everymom while behaving as monstrously as the Joan Crawford character in Mommie Dearest.
lisakaz
February 14, 2005 - 05:05 PM
"she doesn't feel remorse for what she does. It's like she feels everyone should just take all she gives but not hold her responsible for it."
Yep. Totally.
lk
luvinkpenz
February 14, 2005 - 05:07 PM
http://www.nypost.com/style/21906.htm Really good article from today and they have a poll
seamonkeywater
February 14, 2005 - 05:35 PM
well here is the dress! she surely did alter it. which in my opinon, shows that she really didnt like wendys dress. therefore WENDYS OUTFIT SUCKED!
http://www.bravotv.com/images/Project_Runway/
The_Runway/pic_runway_ep9_wendy.jpg
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL68/915845/
2554211/85426955.jpg
2005fashionista
February 14, 2005 - 05:48 PM
Weelll........that barely looks like the same dress!!!!
Loomchick
February 14, 2005 - 05:53 PM
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Weelll........that barely looks like the same dress!!!!
Reminds me more of Wendy's bathing suit . . . do you think Nancy O'Dell has knickers on?
Chinchilla3
February 14, 2005 - 06:00 PM
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http://www.nypost.com/style/21906.htm Really good article from today and they have a poll
Good article. I love Wendy, but the title "Stitch [expletive deleted]" made me laugh. I was kind of taken back that the writer said that it is still questionable whether Kara is as talented as Jay: I have never head anyone say that before! The season finale of this show is going to be great!
angeedee
February 14, 2005 - 06:01 PM
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Weelll........that barely looks like the same dress!!!!
Reminds me more of Wendy's bathing suit . . . do you think Nancy O'Dell has knickers on?
LOL!!
if they were, they were her own, because wendy can't make 'em!!!!!
Chinchilla3
February 14, 2005 - 06:07 PM
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"she doesn't feel remorse for what she does. It's like she feels everyone should just take all she gives but not hold her responsible for it."
Yep. Totally.
She shouldn't have to feel remorse. This was a competition, a reality television show competition. The goal was to get through the challenges to get to Fashion Week, not make friends and make sure everyone likes you. She didn't eliminate the various designers who were sent packing, they eliminated themselves. I can go into a whole explanation about how they did this, but I don't think it's necessary since people have done it many times before.
There was always someone that was worse than her or that had some kind of quality about themselves that did not adequately fit the mold that the judges wanted them to. Don't blame Wendy, blames the judges. Blaming her is kind of like blaming the kid at the spelling bee for beating all of the other kids who were equally good spellers, though the judges were the ones who clearly made the decision in the end.
lisakaz
February 14, 2005 - 06:11 PM
You see her neediness about that photo incident as sane? Are you kidding?
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angeedee
February 14, 2005 - 06:13 PM
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"she doesn't feel remorse for what she does. It's like she feels everyone should just take all she gives but not hold her responsible for it."
Yep. Totally.
She shouldn't have to feel remorse. This was a competition, a reality television show competition. The goal was to get through the challenges to get to Fashion Week, not make friends and make sure everyone likes you. She didn't eliminate the various designers who were sent packing, they eliminated themselves. I can go into a whole explanation about how they did this, but I don't think it's necessary since people have done it many times before.
There was always someone that was worse than her or that had some kind of quality about themselves that did not adequately fit the mold that the judges wanted them to. Don't blame Wendy, blames the judges. Blaming her is kind of like blaming the kid at the spelling bee for beating all of the other kids who were equally good spellers, though the judges were the ones who clearly made the decision in the end.
I'm not "blaming" anyone.
I just don't choose to ignore the fact that wendy was the only one who treated this like an episode of survivor, which it was not.
your ability to lie, scheme and cheat (stealing is cheating, whatever the wendy defenys say) has absolutely nothing to do with your ability to design.
but then we know wendy doesn't have any ability to design, so i guess that explains her behavior.
i think wendy should be held responsible for her own behavior. period.
i sincerely hope that she is........................!
heading out, hope everyone has a nice evening!
sassychic
February 14, 2005 - 06:22 PM
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Think it was nerves that Jay didn't go with a top that reflected his style more. didn't let loose. He is so talented.
I wonder if after they spoke with Nancy O'Duh they didn't get some other type of direction regarding the Grammys dress from someone else. All of the designers seemed to choke and I don't know if it was nerves or a little off camera sabotage.
yeah, it does make you wonder. though have a feeling they went conservative in designing because it was the last challenge. didn't want to screw it up. have a feeling fear played a part. they went with something not great for them, but what wouldn't possibly knock them out. also, someone commented on this board they should've done the tour of Kors studio earlier in the show.not leave it till the last challenge and under time constraints.
sassychic
February 14, 2005 - 06:25 PM
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I wonder if after they spoke with Nancy O'Duh they didn't get some other type of direction regarding the Grammys dress from someone else. All of the designers seemed to choke and I don't know if it was nerves or a little off camera sabotage.
I'd guess they were just emotionally/physically done. They shot that whole thing in two-three weeks in the middle of a very hot August, they're worn out from living with strangers, being on camera and taking part in really stressful challenges plus being so close to the end.
I trust Tim's take on it, that they all tried to play it safe in an effort to not be the worst instead of trying to be the best. And I would bet that came from being at the end of their reserves of energy and creativity.
Agree. Plus the atmosphere and tension in that episode you could cut with a knife. Combine all of that and you get major drain.
sassychic
February 14, 2005 - 06:33 PM
I ain't one to gossip but it's been said that Nancy O'Duh didn't even wear the outfit to the Grammys. She wore a light blue dress.
If that's true, then Bravo/PR have got some explaining to do.
Chinchilla3
February 14, 2005 - 06:35 PM
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I'm not "blaming" anyone.
I just don't choose to ignore the fact that wendy was the only one who treated this like an episode of survivor, which it was not.
your ability to lie, scheme and cheat (stealing is cheating, whatever the wendy defenys say) has absolutely nothing to do with your ability to design.
but then we know wendy doesn't have any ability to design, so i guess that explains her behavior.
i think wendy should be held responsible for her own behavior. period.
i sincerely hope that she is........................!
heading out, hope everyone has a nice evening!
The idea that Wendy doesn't have the ability to design is your opinion. The only time I remembered her lying is to that model that was wearing Austin's wedding dress, and even that seemed to turn out in his favor because it gave the model more confidence in what she was wearing. And she did not steal that damned roll of fabric! Kara had not bought it nor did she reserve it, and the frickin' shop attendant was standing right there watching and did not seem the least bit phased by the situation: the entire thing showing me that it was not a big deal.
Scheming is part of reality television competition, any watcher of Survivor Real World/Road Rules Challenge, or any of those other mind numbing shows can tell you that. Believe it or not, this show was designed to entertain at any cost, and if it wasn't the rules would have been alot stricter and the show would have been much more "Fashion File" from Style channel and a little less "Amazing Race."
birdaileen
February 14, 2005 - 06:36 PM
actually we found out she did wear the dress, albeit very altered. the color is the same, but the shape of the top and the skirt are really different.
id put the URL here for you but the Bravo Board Boss keeps editing it out of posts. Just got to Access Hollywood and click on the Behind the Scenes slideshow. She is picture number 11.
katiecarlsbad
February 14, 2005 - 07:01 PM
I hate wendy just as anyone else, and embarrassed by the fact that she is from Northern Virgina, but I really liked her grammy dress. I'm not a design expert, but i loved the feathers and drings. Nancy Odell always wears very simple clothes to awards shows, and I think she should have taken more of a risk with the original design. I hope Kara Saun wins, but those pants with the long top? just didn't work.
JustTzujIt
February 14, 2005 - 07:09 PM
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First, I would like to say that I liked Mario alot. Not only was he hot, but he seemed like he was a pretty good designer and he seemed like a cool guy over all. His problem was his lack of effort and his perceived laziness. In the first challenge he threw his dress together in twenty minutes, though it did come out pretty well. In the second challenge, he created a dress using the simplest design structure possible (as Nora said, and though I have no formal training I trust her especially considering she is a recent graduate) and gave the simplest most general description of his concept of envy that was humanly possible. He didn't show enough effort and I think that is what the judges were looking for in that challenge and that point in time, so I do think that he was definitely eliminated at the right time. (I cannot stop thinking about those lips, though. Boy, oh boy!)
Also, I hope he realizes that his elimination was his own fault and doesn't try to project his misfortune onto Wendy. That's just not cool.
Yeah, then that would narrow it down to just ten mouths waiting to vilify...?
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