luvinkpenz
February 15, 2005 - 03:26 PM
yes she did ,well she wrote it which I assume meant she put actual thought behind it
luvinkpenz
February 15, 2005 - 03:29 PM
I think Vanessa is already really well established in England.
ericats
February 15, 2005 - 03:33 PM
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ok I am going to have an anyourysm here. Wendy designs are not for Middle America. Most of Wendy's 'things' on her website are see through I mean completely one doesn't even have a back on the skirt.
Thank you. Why do people insult middle America by insisting that Wendy is the designer for them? I'm sure that the designers that design for the masses (as opposed to size 2 socialites) have to be excellent designers since they have to balance fashion with function with financials and appeal to a broad range of people. Wendy is not a good designer if she can even be called a designer!
Loomchick
February 15, 2005 - 03:46 PM
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I think Vanessa is already really well established in England.
No, I believe she's established in Houston, Texas . . . the center of the fashion universe, right?
ericats
February 15, 2005 - 03:53 PM
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yes she did ,well she wrote it which I assume meant she put actual thought behind it
You know, I don't really like the woman and I think that she's a horrible designer, but I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt because I thought that the producers of the show were making her look really bad.
Now, I believe she was making herself look really bad and that's why they concentrated on her.
ericats
February 15, 2005 - 03:56 PM
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I think Vanessa is already really well established in England.
No, I believe she's established in Houston, Texas . . . the center of the fashion universe, right?
Too bad she didn't land in Dallas which is a big design center (not of the universe though.)
luvinkpenz
February 15, 2005 - 03:58 PM
that was an awesome interview with Vanessa
thanks to whoever for the site
ShuoHan
February 15, 2005 - 04:07 PM
"Wendy is not a good designer if she can even be called a designer!"
You can call her a designer, but that would not make her one any more than calling her a turnip would make her usefull in a soup. Her designs, by her own admission, are not well-constructed (cf the story about designing a dress for a dancer which fell off as she (the dancer) was leaving the room). Add to that the general tacky-ness and you have....well, a *bad* designer, perhaps.
The midwest has enough problems, what with the export of jobs and the failure of family farms without having a plague of Wendy visited upon them. They know this and dress accordingly.
Also- she said that she loves to watch people squirm and that she was going to get close to the others and exploit their weaknesses. This she said in the presence of cameras and microphones, which, if not mean-spirited, is at best stupid.
So, overall- not a good candidate for success.
As to email hate- just saying "I Hate You" is not prosecutable- saying "I Hate You and I'm going to Hurt/Kill/Harm You" is. Expressing a feeling is covered by the First Amendment- expressing intent to injure, etc- not so much.
birdaileen
February 15, 2005 - 04:15 PM
i agree though that Vanessa sounds pretty bitter in the interview. it made me like her less, when i had really liked her on the show.
oscar
February 15, 2005 - 04:18 PM
Overheard At ‘Project Runway’
While we’re waiting for the February 23rd finale of Bravo’s Project Runway, we thought we’d dangle a possible spoiler-on-a-stick in front of your hungry mouths. After the series’ winner was decided during a hush-hush fashion show last week, a Gawker operative, firmly planted backstage, overheard “wild card” finalist Jay utter the following choice tidbit:
“I just don’t want to be creatively raped, you know?”
Hmm. What an interesting comment, given that the winner of Project Runway receives a mentorship from Banana Republic. We’re just sayin’.
Jay From Project Runway [Bravo]
ericats
February 15, 2005 - 04:20 PM
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Her designs, by her own admission, are not well-constructed (cf the story about designing a dress for a dancer which fell off as she (the dancer) was leaving the room).
In one of the reviews of the PR runway show, the fashion critic mentioned that one of her dresses had a zipper hanging from it. For Gawd's sake, what is this! She's had almost six months to design, construct, and polish her collection.
birdaileen
February 15, 2005 - 04:24 PM
oooh-- good find!! I hope this means what I think it means... go Jay!!!!
Gherk
February 15, 2005 - 04:32 PM
Thank you SarahCatherine, for your intelligence. My point simply was that it is obvious Wendy had some difficulties - someone else posted about her alienating herself - and that it is the pot calling the kettle black to justify sending terrible hateful mail repeatedly, then posting the woman's email address on a public site. It could be called harassment, I guess, but I wasn't telling anyone what they can or cannot say - I simply pointed out what I thought. I must say, the idea that "she asked for it" is even more disturbing to me - sounds like the justification for every crime ever committed!
umniza
February 15, 2005 - 04:33 PM
I read Vanessa's interview. Got a weird feeling that one Vanessa was on TV, and a totally different Vanessa gave that interview. She just sounds so bitter and ready to blame everybody and everything around for everything that's not right. I particularly had to wonder what is she b***ing about, talking about Houston not being the fashion capitol and not cold enough for her coat designs. But then I thought that maybe when she was giving interview, she was laughing and being sarcastic and really laughing at herself and the bad luck she's had... That would not translate well on paper, making her sound like a bitter and not very smart person. Well, I'll give her that benefit of the doubt.
oscar
February 15, 2005 - 04:43 PM
It is More the Obvious - - the Producers knew what they were doing when they included Wendy in the line up.
birdaileen
February 15, 2005 - 04:50 PM
Hey guys-- i wonder if "she's left, for some reason" is Heidi saying to the contestants, well, wendy must have SOME talent, since "she's left, for some reason" in the competition.
while i do not think wendy has talent, i think this might be what heidi was saying.
also, she turns to tim when she asks "for some reason?" as if he should explain, being the fashion professor and all.
luvinkpenz
February 15, 2005 - 04:52 PM
I think she sounded more disappointed than bitter. From her website it looks like she went into the show with a lot more experience than some of the others. I have to agree I would be most upset if they wanted me in New York and wouldn't pay to get me there.
Chinchilla3
February 15, 2005 - 05:00 PM
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Look, I'm not a Wendy fan at all - I'm a friend of Jay's and I support him for the win. I've really tried to avoid the bashing of Wendy for the most part, and while I agree her behavior and her designs are in the same category (farty), I think it is completely unnecessary and hurtful to do what you did. I mean, come on, the woman obviously has problems - and she's capable of reading the message boards - did you really have to send her the choicest posts and let her know of your hatred? Seems like she's not the only one with problems on this message board, huh?
Actually, I thought it was a good thing that Iowa Housewife sent Wendy the better part of the postings. (Love you, Iowa Housewife! You got balls!) Because as several other posters have said, Wendy always thinks in terms of "why me?" She clearly thinks that she doesn't have to have responsibility for her actions, but that everyone owes her something because she's the odd [expletive deleted] out.
The other designers, and models (thanks, Julia!) aren't making up their feelings toward Wendy. No amount of editing is going to show you that Kara Saun did not hug Wendy when K found out she got into FW, but hugged everyone else. No amount of editing is going to change that moment when Robert looked to Wendy on the runway for solidarity, and Wendy,stonefaced, looked straight ahead. Editing did created Wendy's voiceover over the green room scene about liking "people squirm," but she did SAY those words. She didn't have to say it, but she gives the producers so much fodder, how could they not put that in?!
Wendy's got to understand that by selling her soul to PR, she may not have the desired effect she wanted, which is to be thought of a designer. Besides the prizes and awards, isn't that what the show is about? Coming out to the world as a designer and getting some exposure so someone can buy your creations?
PR's not high school, but Wendy is a classic case of the nerdy kid who thinks that people perceive her as different, but has no idea, that she actually alienates everyone by her own insecurity and low self-esteem.
I'm all for the freedom of speech, but if someone actually emailed Wendy to tell her all the negative things people say on this message board and if you actually agree with them doing it, you are pathetic.
It's not your job to teach anyone a lesson. You all are watching a television show; you guys don't know her in real life! There is a line, and by contacting her just to bash her you are crossing it. You may be older, but apparently some people still have some growing up to do.
angeedee
February 15, 2005 - 05:00 PM
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Overheard At ‘Project Runway’
While we’re waiting for the February 23rd finale of Bravo’s Project Runway, we thought we’d dangle a possible spoiler-on-a-stick in front of your hungry mouths. After the series’ winner was decided during a hush-hush fashion show last week, a Gawker operative, firmly planted backstage, overheard “wild card” finalist Jay utter the following choice tidbit:
“I just don’t want to be creatively raped, you know?”
Hmm. What an interesting comment, given that the winner of Project Runway receives a mentorship from Banana Republic. We’re just sayin’.
Jay From Project Runway [Bravo]
you might be interested to know that the "internship" which the winner receives is nothing more than a quarterly meeting with BR people who will offer business advice to the designer.
there is no daily job. there is no design work for BR.
this is from the PR site.
nabakov5
February 15, 2005 - 05:28 PM
I'm all for the freedom of speech, but if someone actually emailed Wendy to tell her all the negative things people say on this message board and if you actually agree with them doing it, you are pathetic.
It's not your job to teach anyone a lesson. You all are watching a television show; you guys don't know her in real life! There is a line, and by contacting her just to bash her you are crossing it. You may be older, but apparently some people still have some growing up to do.
I'm in complete agreement. there is something called integrity, and invading someone's private life, regardless of what they've done in the public eye, is not only rude and petty, but it says more about the person writing the emails than it does about the recipient. its particularly rude when we all know that ALL of the "knowledge" we have about wendy has been filtered through different facets of the media. It's fine to have a voice and an opinion, but there's no need to try and hurt someone just because you feel high and mighty about their performance on a CABLE-ACCESS TELEVISION SHOW. that's just silly
luvinkpenz
February 15, 2005 - 05:38 PM
Does anyone know why Wendy's Wedding dress is back on auction tonight?
Twitchly
February 15, 2005 - 06:01 PM
Anyone see this quote from Wendy from her website (about the last episode):
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And I was feeling the heat too. Kara Saun and Jay were yammering on in an unceasing verbal dissertation on all things pertinent to their niche driven aesthetic sensibilities, and I was sorely wishing I had taken the time to visit a music store within the last 10 years or even watch a spot of TV.
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"niche driven aesthetic sensibilities" ... Gee, good thing she's not catty or anything.
-- Twitchly
snoops
February 15, 2005 - 06:49 PM
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Anyone see this quote from Wendy from her website (about the last episode):
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And I was feeling the heat too. Kara Saun and Jay were yammering on in an unceasing verbal dissertation on all things pertinent to their niche driven aesthetic sensibilities, and I was sorely wishing I had taken the time to visit a music store within the last 10 years or even watch a spot of TV.
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"niche driven aesthetic sensibilities" ... Gee, good thing she's not catty or anything.
-- Twitchly
when she uses words like "niche-driven sensibilities," people think that Wendy's being intelligent, when all she's really saying here is doesn't have it and she doesn't get it. poor insecure Wendy.
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 07:17 PM
Yep. This is why I'm looking forward to Wednesday. It seems that, of the comments I've seen by Vanessa and Jay, that Wendy will be the one squirming. Just desserts (is that desert or dessert???).
lk
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 07:21 PM
Yeah, I corresponded with her and asked her a few things. That was cool, esp. since I gather than the models won't get to reunite to dish about the show.
lk
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 07:28 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean the reference to "queen" makes it clear. Austin don't deserve it. I don't care what his sexuality is or isn't. It doesn't affect me.
lk
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 07:40 PM
I know. His eyes say so much. How could you NOT want this guy to make ya some clothes? He's SO adorable.
lk
katiecarlsbad
February 15, 2005 - 07:50 PM
Well, of COURSE they meant something else by saying "the queen is dead", but really - can you blame them? I mean, i love my gay friends, but even Jay said the Austin looked the most "butch" he had seen him wearing that postal outfit. I think it was just a harmless word play. I don't even think Austin could complain about being called feminine - he wears more makeup than i do!
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 07:51 PM
Morgan?
lk
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 08:02 PM
Sorry to see ya go.
lk
goddessamelia
February 15, 2005 - 08:03 PM
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Hey guys-- i wonder if "she's left, for some reason" is Heidi saying to the contestants, well, wendy must have SOME talent, since "she's left, for some reason" in the competition.
while i do not think wendy has talent, i think this might be what heidi was saying.
also, she turns to tim when she asks "for some reason?" as if he should explain, being the fashion professor and all.
Its for tommorows episode where all the contestants are sitting with Heidi and Tim and its edited to make it seem that all the designers are ripping at Wendy. Then it says that one of them storms off the set and thats when Heidi says she has left for some reason. I think they are trying to make it seem like Wendy but I dont think so. I think editing it trying to play us....again!
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 08:08 PM
I think she thinks that rules don't apply to her. I mean, she can be downright witchy to others, accuse some of defacing her photo then expect support and caring from them? That's psychotic.
lk
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 08:12 PM
I don't think sending one nasty note counts as stalking. Sending a bunch and calling that person up and following them around is stalking. It's gotta be repetitive behavior. BTW I did not waste my time telling Cruella what I think of her. She wouldn't get it anyway. There's really no point.
lk
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 08:14 PM
I think there's a difference between being opinionated, outspoken and mean spirited. I'm not sure where Vanessa is, but if you think she's gone to mean spirited, it might be motivated by the fact that she's really tight with Austin and probably feels bad she didn't do more to get Wendy eliminated instead of outing herself.
lk
katiecarlsbad
February 15, 2005 - 08:17 PM
The final show is rapidly approaching, and something I haven't seen people mention yet is WHAT ARE WE GOING TO WATCH AFTER NEXT WEEK! I am going to to cry when this is all over. Go Kara and Jay.... i love you both... and i'm glad that others find Kevin a cutie.. i thought maybe I had this wierd crush all on my own... the bananna republic internship is just some meetings offering advice? What a poor excuse for a bananna republic plug.
Morgasmo
February 15, 2005 - 08:19 PM
My opinion on Vanessa being so in love with herself and being an opinionated hag has nothing to do with Wendy . Not sure how the hell you conjectured that from the interview in which she was more intent on trashing Heidi Klum, Houston, and her current clientele.
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 08:21 PM
I thought she was justifiably annoyed, given the cost this would have on someone still trying to run a business, whereas younger people like Nora or Austin don't have that problem. If I was 20, I wouldn't care. At 30 or over, yeah, I'd be sick and tired of scounging.
lk
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 08:26 PM
Or recognizing that this "niche" is the reason why designers have shows and why people want to wear their clothes. Catty and incredibly stupid. Eh, she's gotta have a ready excuse as to why the design critics didn't like her show -- right?
lk
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 08:31 PM
I didn't read that she was in love with herself. I read that she was terribly disappointed that she gambled in a certain "pay off" by appearing there and it hasn't come through. It seemed like she was just professionally very frustrated and was being honest about it. I didn't see that she was trying to make herself look good since she was admitting to weaknesses in her business and the obvious one of her elimination. I saw her assessment of herself a lot more honest than any self assessment Wendy has done.
lk
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 08:33 PM
Read my comment again about Wendy as a motive toward annoying Vanessa. I didn't say that Wendy had anything to do with your comment.
lk
Morgasmo
February 15, 2005 - 08:34 PM
Argh!!! Wendy again!! I wasn't comparing her to Wendy. I was merely responding to whoever said that they didn't think Vanessa was a biatch. I say she is. Nothing to do with Wendy.
Sure she was disappointed that she lost but look at how well Austin handled his exit from the show, and his was a lot more unfair.
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 08:37 PM
I know you weren't. I said so. I'm saying that this is coloring Vanessa's comments and I'm sure it affected what she said on tomorrow's show. She and Austin are tight, remember?
lk
Morgasmo
February 15, 2005 - 08:39 PM
Ok, let me rewind cause obviously I've lost you.
My assesment of Vanessa's personality was in the way she referred to her current clientely (old bags is the way I remember it), her smug attitude towards her current hometown (which really is her husband's fault, if anybody, that she's there), and her clear arrogance ("well of course they picked me for the show, I'm better than Coke and Diet Coke, and I'm European"), and her attitude towards Heidi Klum ("She was supposed to be our mentor waah waaah waah"). Nothing to do with her ouster or Wendy. And reading her interview the only time she brings up Wendy was when asked of how she developed a relationship with, not the Sarah Hudson challenge.
goddessamelia
February 15, 2005 - 08:41 PM
can anybody please post wendys website address? I cant seem to find it. Thanks!
Morgasmo
February 15, 2005 - 08:41 PM
I do recall her saying she was friendly with Austin. But I don't see how she could be mad at Wendy when it was Austin who used the same argument about lack of sewing skills.
Which makes me realize that Austin was in the unique position of still being in the competition and have an outfit in the "fashion graveyard".
JustTzujIt
February 15, 2005 - 08:49 PM
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Yep. This is why I'm looking forward to Wednesday. It seems that, of the comments I've seen by Vanessa and Jay, that Wendy will be the one squirming. Just desserts (is that desert or dessert???).
lk
That'd be desserts. Desserts have Sugars and Sweets, and deserts have only Sand.
pottsvillain
February 15, 2005 - 09:35 PM
i'm just a silly, stupid chick from the middle-of-nowhere pennsylvania, but i have to say i've met austin, saw his 'costume designs' in a lower NYC club and let me tell you, this boy has more talent in his little pinkie than all of the other designers on this show. sorry bravo, but the day you booted austin is the day you lost this viewer!!!
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 09:38 PM
I did not read her views on others the same way you did and I attributed some of the "attitude" you were perceiving to what I said. I saw her being upset that she got fan mail but no clients. I did not see her in the light that you did.
lk
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 09:39 PM
I forget sometimes and spellcheck will never help on stuff like that...
Thanks.
lk
lisakaz
February 15, 2005 - 09:42 PM
Do tell. When was it? What was it like? What stuff did you see? Did you get to party with him?
lk
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