SymplySouthern
February 17, 2005 - 12:53 PM
I know I'm getting into this late, but I've been watching the show religiously since December. I just have to say that Austin is an absolute doll. I know I'd have to have started having kids a little earlier than I did, but I wish he were my son. I love his spirit and his courage to be who he is. I love Austin's style and think he should come to the south. True GRITS (Girls Raised In The South) know the importance of being a lady and that includes dressing with style and a sense of femininity which Austin's designs exude. So Austin, if you want to come to Alabama, you can stay with me and my boys. I can't wait to see the incredible things you'll do.
sarahcatherine
February 17, 2005 - 12:55 PM
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Yes, it was very strategic. After seeing last night's show I'm starting to think that maybe she was a plant.
I have a hard time believing she was a plant, I just think she over-strategized. I was watching with a friend and I made some comment about "blue eyeshadow" and she was quick to defend her, like "you shouldn't make fun of her because she doesn't know how to put on makeup, she admits herself she's not very aware of her self-image". That kind of ended the conversation, I didn't want to fight with her over something so lame, but it got me thinking.
It just seems like the lame kind of strategy Wendy herself would come up with. What I think is interesting is that for all her over-thinking of this process, she sure wasn't very good at any of it. Probably because she tried too hard. I just don't think the producers would take it that far and not make it a known element of the show. If you're going to have a plant, it's bigger drama to let the audience know so we can be outraged on behalf of the real contestants.
ericats
February 17, 2005 - 12:59 PM
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I am looking forward to seeing Wendy win.
In the reviews of her collection that I read (five of them) the fashion critics pretty much shredded her so chances are the above is not going to happen.
snoops
February 17, 2005 - 01:00 PM
DieTrying,
thanks for breathing some life and some sense onto this board!!!!!! You are hilarious!
All of you who are rooting for Wendy must have only seen her on the reunion show and think she is a saint! Thank God someone actually saw the show and remembers it as it truly was!
formermodel
February 17, 2005 - 01:03 PM
I think that Project Runway is one of the most exiting reality shows on TV. I think what makes it so exiting is the competiton. I think that the way Wendy was competing is fair play. She was honest when juges asked her opinion. She did not try to be likeble by everybody. She was fair competitor. I was in industry before. I was a fit model and worked with few designers. I think Wendy's approach is more typical for design in industrial setting. She doesn't have to be "nice", but she has to be professioal. And she proved her talent and professionalism by winning Banana Republic and Grammy dress contests. I would buy and wear her designs, and I think many people will do. And what comes to her negative image it is just a TV show performance game. I don't buy it.
I would not agree that Kara is the most talented. Her designs don't have clean lines like Wendy's designs. And all theese beeds,sequince and glitter. Come on!How many people would wear it? And could anybody with chest size more than A wear her plungelines.They will make big chested women look saggy and small chested women look flat. I don't find her desines much flattering at all.
About other designers I would not compare them with Wendy, they from different age groop and they don have life experience. It is natural that at their age they live more in the dreams than in the reality. I think some of them could be very good in the future but today I don't see immediate result. I understand that tastes of their age group are different that is why they cannot appreciate Wendy's talent. They cannot relate to her that is why they make a scapegoat of her. I think they senced that she is the tough one to compete with.
I wish good luck to Wendy and other contestants.Sorry for my grammar, English is my second language.
Best regards.
sarahcatherine
February 17, 2005 - 01:06 PM
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Rob - Rob, Rob, Rob. I want to do you just once and get it out of my system.
Ack! I missed this before...what more can one say about Rob, though, honestly?
angeedee
February 17, 2005 - 01:20 PM
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Um, I don't remember BR or Nancy O'Dell giving Wendy a sketch or telling Wendy how to design those dresses. She is obviously skilled at designing a garment for a particular individual. That is not a bad talent for a designer to have. That certainly doesn't mean she didn't design something, just because she used the client's taste as a clue. I see that give and take happen all the time between celebrities and designers. You just can't give her credit for anything can you?
um, she designed a top that looked exactly like the one nancy o'dell was wearing when she spoke to them, even the same color.
she altered her design at robert's and tim's suggestion several times.
um, the BR dress, the only other ocmpleted garment that stayed together on the runway, was an almost identical copy of what was already in the BR line.
so I don't agree with your assessment.
My opinion is she is a dressmaker.
I respect your opinion, i just don't agree with it.
After having worked in the biz for about 10 years, i'm going to stick with mine.
of course, in a few months i guess we will all know who is correct. if wendy truly is as talented as the wendy defendys on here say, the we will all be hearing about her in the fashion press, right?
angeedee
February 17, 2005 - 01:24 PM
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Um, I don't remember BR or Nancy O'Dell giving Wendy a sketch or telling Wendy how to design those dresses. She is obviously skilled at designing a garment for a particular individual. That is not a bad talent for a designer to have. That certainly doesn't mean she didn't design something, just because she used the client's taste as a clue. I see that give and take happen all the time between celebrities and designers. You just can't give her credit for anything can you?
um, she designed a top that looked exactly like the one nancy o'dell was wearing when she spoke to them, even the same color.
she altered her design at robert's and tim's suggestion several times.
um, the BR dress, the only other ocmpleted garment that stayed together on the runway, was an almost identical copy of what was already in the BR line.
so I don't agree with your assessment.
My opinion is she is a dressmaker.
I respect your opinion, i just don't agree with it.
After having worked in the biz for about 10 years, i'm going to stick with mine.
of course, in a few months i guess we will all know who is correct. if wendy truly is as talented as the wendy defendys on here say, the we will all be hearing about her in the fashion press, right?
And, i forgot to mention, it was Tim's assesment that Wendy was only successful when she was taking detailed direction.
He was THERE. And i think Tim Gunn might know a little bit about the art of design.
a little bit......
It's amazing how the defendys don't want to accept anyone's word, even those people who WERE THERE.
I wonder what color the sky is in their world?
oscar
February 17, 2005 - 01:26 PM
Being a single mom - - from a rural area - - suddenly placed in a reality TV series - - along with younger - "faster" - - single people - - would definitely put you in a surival defensive mode.
And I didn't even mention - - you had to compete in the design world.
I don't think one person in that group can possibly understand where Wendy is coming from.
snoops
February 17, 2005 - 01:30 PM
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a person who requires extreme direction cannot launch their own line. that is not what being a designer is all about.
angeedee, once again - a perfect description! you totally rock!
angeedee
February 17, 2005 - 01:35 PM
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a person who requires extreme direction cannot launch their own line. that is not what being a designer is all about.
angeedee, once again - a perfect description! you totally rock!
MissingPR
February 17, 2005 - 01:36 PM
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Ok...here's the thing. And after this I fully intend to stop talking about wendy!!
I totally understand why they were being so mean to her. I get the feeling that they all went into this thinking what I did when i first started watching, that it was talent based. I am a designer and If I were in this competition I would have been seriously dissapointed that someone who lacks talent is getting far because of strategy and NOT talent.
I am not just pissed because Austin was booted over Wendy. To be honest I doubted Austin's originality a while ago. But I thought Wendy should have been gone from the very beginning...even before the back stabbing started. SO here is one person who TRUELY does not believe in her as a designer!!!
I am looking at it like this...most of them are professional designers. They have put in hours and hours not sleeping, studying, probably stressing to the max and sheading a few tears.
They were probably excited to do what they love and be rewarded for great work, not for how well they played the game.
That is what I see as the difference between this game and other reality games...like survivor for instance...those contestants have not gone to school for survivor. They have not competed in the job market for a surviving job.
I used to see it more like American idol without the voting. Those contestants do not sabatage eachother, it is totally talent based.
Ahhh
I could go on and on about this.
I guess I just see it different looking at it as designer.
I have said it before. But the key to being successful in the TINY world of design is to NOT burn bridges. Everyone sortof helps everyone else. I feel that Wendy will have a hard time getting favors, or business for that matter after this is over. The other designers, if they need help from one of the other designers, you can bet that they will have it.
Wendy, in my opinion lacks integrity, creativity, and from what I can see, common sense. I do not think she has thought through what will happen if she loses. I do not know alot of people who want to work with someone who is willing to step all over you to get what they want. AND from what I can see she does not have a very impressive resume (unless you are a stripper in search for a new non-existant dress).
OK...I gotta stop talkign about this. I have more imortant things to do, like search for $1000 on ebay!
Well said, Jamie. Well, everything but the stripper part lol. *eek*
Seriously though, it fully illustrates something I've noticed after spending some time looking through posts on various sections of this message board i.e. that the division here isn't so much between the Wendy haters and the Wendy lovers, but between the creative types and the non-creative/anti-creative types.
I too am creative (visual artist) and have always loved fashion from an artistic/creative standpoint. I don't necessarily buy or wear the clothes that I see, but I adore looking at them, imagining the creativity that went into them, the craft that put them together physically i.e. garment construction, etc. since I also sew. So when I saw Project Runway, I thought prayers for more artsy type TV, vs. the DIY scrapbooking crafty lady crap we normally see, or fashion as makeover shows, had at least been partially answered. I saw every episode from day one, and fully thought it was a competition..almost more like a documentary than a "survivor" type reality show...you know, being on Bravo and all. I mean, had it been on the Fox Channel or something, I may have at least had a clue. And I'm not a huge TV fan, but really worked myself around Bravo's schedule, and when I couldn't watch, I taped the show for later viewing. I so enjoyed seeing the challenges, and watching unfold before me the CREATIVE PROCESS...how the designers would pull from thin air, as creative people do, works of art. Good bad or ugly. And when it was ugly, or slightly missed the mark, I could relate. And when it was great, wow! I mean, a dress out of corn husks or a beach chair. Amazing. I can't even imagine the thought processes there.
So here are all these creative people, more or less like me, wrestling with these almost impossible challenges and deadlines. And one who is talking about strategy, how she wants to use other peoples weaknesses against them to win etc. etc. Hello? I think you're on the wrong show, my dear. There is no way your Big Brother/Survivor tactics are going to help you if you're no good.
And again and again I watched, as this person wasn't eliminated when she clearly should have been. But it was okay, because I knew eventually she would be. And when she turned on Austin and said he wasn't a good leader I thought, okay this is it. The judges will clearly see that she's not a team player...because it is obvious from the footage that she did nothing to contribute to the team i.e. telling Austin about her concerns about the dress as Vanessa tried to do. And Austin, oh Austin. Turning in Vanessa because she didn't sew as well, even though she at least provided you input...where Wendy told you everything you were doing was fantastic, only to stab you in the back for not being a good leader. Basically the same thing with Kevin. If she thought he wasn't a good leader, than as a good part of the TEAM, she should have at least said something rather than playing the passive aggressive sucking up game she played with him. In fact, the only time she talked about being part of the "team" was when she turned her back on her good friend Morgan (the model) and eliminated her because she knew the "team" wanted her gone. Give me a break. The only reason she was able to be nice to Morgan was because she didn't feel threatened by her...as she clearly was by the ages, differing mindsets, lifestyles, and talent of most of the others in the group. Argh.
But as a non-creative person or one who is threatened by creative people, I would not be interested in anyones talent, or clothing construction, etc. etc. I would look for personalities or people I could relate to and root for. So over and above the whole "controversy" factor that Wendy brought to the group, which I think was just a side benefit for Bravo casting, Wendy brought something else. The "O" factor, i.e. appealing to the every woman Oprah Winfrey type watching folks who couldn't care less about art, creativity etc. I think Bravo knew that they wouldn't have a strong enough draw with the purely creative faction, and they needed someone with broader appeal. Like I said, the fact that she chose to meet this challenge as a survivor type reality show and use subversive and passive aggressive tactics as her strategy, vs. focusing completely on creativity, design, and pure talent was probably just a bonus for Bravo, and their ratings. And this isn't to be "elitist" as some have said. I can no more relate to Wendy and her mindset than a non-creative person could relate to that of someone like Austin's or Jay's, Kara Saun's, or even Mario's. Different kinds of minds are just attracted to different things, that's all.
I think the fault here lies in Bravo's inability to clearly communicate that this was no more a competition of creativity than something like Big Brother or Survivor. Sure, they had to pull something passable out in the end to send to Fashion Week...so they did have to have some talent there. And I'm guessing that Banana Republic wouldn't completely compromise what integrity it has by backing a show with no talent. But judging from the results, and from the perspective of a creative person, they may as well have had a bunch of people pretending to be designers to see how many people they could fool as cast someone like Wendy...or at least keep her in as long as they did purely for demographic and/or ratings.
I'm sorry to say it, but you can't have it both ways. You can't have a controversial "reality show" with a broad ratings draw and keep the integrity of a show with an actual premise. Which is why everyone here is so po'd at one another. One group thought this show was a reality show, and in their minds, Wendy played the "best." And the other group is offended to their creative cores that someone who didn't deserve to, got as far as she did. and you can't really blame either side. Both were tricked and mislead to some degree imho. Which is probably fine with Bravo, since the creatives are in the minority...again, probably their rationale in including the "everywoman" in the first place. Oh well. Hopefully another cable channel will take Bravos concept and present it with a little integrity. You know, for the rest of us who don't merely want to be "entertained." *sigh*
sarahcatherine
February 17, 2005 - 01:38 PM
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Being a single mom - - from a rural area - - suddenly placed in a reality TV series - - along with younger - "faster" - - single people - - would definitely put you in a surival defensive mode.
And I didn't even mention - - you had to compete in the design world.
I don't think one person in that group can possibly understand where Wendy is coming from.
Is she a single mom? I thought she mentioned a husband on her website, so I don't think she is. And I don't think the whole "country mouse/city mouse" situation is a good defense for her kicking into survival defensive mode. Mostly because I believe she kicked into survival "offensive" mode. She was not along for the ride, she was setting the tone with her behaviour, not reacting to the other contestants.
Sure you have to compete in the design world...but you also have to work with people. Designing is a collaborative effort, by and large, and business surely is. If how she behaved on the show is any indication as to how she runs her business not only would I never want to work with/for her, I wouldn't want to give her my money, either.
I think plenty of people can understand where Wendy is coming from, they just didn't understand the overinflated "this is my last chance" song and dance routine. Most of them had been working in the industry for years and years, they know that you don't just get one chance to make it and that you have to be responsible for finding your own chances, not just accepting that this current one is the last one to come along.
And furthermore, who's to say that those who didn't understand where she was coming from didn't try to at least? It falls on Wendy to help them understand, if that's something she wants. I don't think she wanted them to know her, though, and that's something she had to deal with when it ended up with no one being there to support her. Maybe if she had let people know her in an honest way they would have been more supportive.
fastfashion
February 17, 2005 - 01:57 PM
isnt it cute that people from Wendy's hometown and family are finally logging on and posting these phony pro-Wendy posts! heheheh... I feel really bad for Wendy, I am sure she (and the others) didnt realize how big/popular this show would get- her behavior has won her far more enemies/indifferents than fans and it's going to make it hard for her to get anywhere in the biz. She's a classic case of "you are your own worst enemy"
angeedee
February 17, 2005 - 02:08 PM
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Being a single mom - - from a rural area - - suddenly placed in a reality TV series - - along with younger - "faster" - - single people - - would definitely put you in a surival defensive mode.
And I didn't even mention - - you had to compete in the design world.
I don't think one person in that group can possibly understand where Wendy is coming from.
Is she a single mom? I thought she mentioned a husband on her website, so I don't think she is. And I don't think the whole "country mouse/city mouse" situation is a good defense for her kicking into survival defensive mode. Mostly because I believe she kicked into survival "offensive" mode. She was not along for the ride, she was setting the tone with her behaviour, not reacting to the other contestants.
Sure you have to compete in the design world...but you also have to work with people. Designing is a collaborative effort, by and large, and business surely is. If how she behaved on the show is any indication as to how she runs her business not only would I never want to work with/for her, I wouldn't want to give her my money, either.
I think plenty of people can understand where Wendy is coming from, they just didn't understand the overinflated "this is my last chance" song and dance routine. Most of them had been working in the industry for years and years, they know that you don't just get one chance to make it and that you have to be responsible for finding your own chances, not just accepting that this current one is the last one to come along.
And furthermore, who's to say that those who didn't understand where she was coming from didn't try to at least? It falls on Wendy to help them understand, if that's something she wants. I don't think she wanted them to know her, though, and that's something she had to deal with when it ended up with no one being there to support her. Maybe if she had let people know her in an honest way they would have been more supportive.
I agree, SC.
the only person who was acting in a cut-throat manner on this show was wendy.
it is ironic that the only contestant from whom she would need to protect herself was herself.
Hell, Austin modeled for Jay. Now that doesn't sound like someone from whom you would need to protect yourself, and yet Wendy attacked austin on the runway.
Kevin, while certainly he engaged in a little passive-aggressive with Starr in the third episode, didn't attack anyone. so why would she need to be in "survival mode" to deal with him?
And I seem to recall Kara, on the BR episode, doing wendy's hair and makeup to help her with having a better image before the judges. So I'm not really clear on why Wendy was giving Kara a hard time in the last episode.
Robio, don't even try to tell me he was mean to anyone. he was the only one who was nice to wendy in the last two episodes. so no reason there for survival mode.
i don't think that starr ever gave anyone any reason to fear her.
i could go on, but who has the time to read long-ass posts.
i guess i'm saying that the "country mouse/city mouse" idea is a good theory, but when you view the facts it holds no water.
starcycle
February 17, 2005 - 02:08 PM
Jay said it best: "it's not Survivor." wendy is as clueless about the show she's on as she is about the things she's designing.
also, i don't think some people appreciate just how difficult it is to be given $50 and an hour (or whatever it was) in a supermarket and have to come up with something on the spot that's going to be cool. and that's not even counting the abysmally short amount of time they actually have to construct the designs. it's a lot harder than it looks!
ps. looking at the fashion week collections, it's easy to see who's who, and Jay should win. his designs are the most creative and visually appealing (though i don't know what the criteria were). Kara Saun would also be a worthy choice. if it's wendy, i'll have to boycott PR2. she should have been gone the very first week.
sarahcatherine
February 17, 2005 - 02:10 PM
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isnt it cute that people from Wendy's hometown and family are finally logging on and posting these phony pro-Wendy posts! heheheh... I feel really bad for Wendy, I am sure she (and the others) didnt realize how big/popular this show would get- her behavior has won her far more enemies/indifferents than fans and it's going to make it hard for her to get anywhere in the biz. She's a classic case of "you are your own worst enemy"
It's cute in the way my 7 year old cousin is cute...in a complete obnoxious way. It would be one thing if they didn't all say the exact same thing, but they do! <sigh>
I feel bad for Wendy to an extent, because of the "you are your own worse enemy" thing, which is also how I feel about Vanessa and a few others. I think their behaviour did themselves in. But...I don't feel *that* bad because they should have known to present a better image, if they're really that serious about their careers. Sure it's "acceptable" to act a certain way within the confines of a contest, but you still have to live with the image you created, the actions you took.
They were expecting long-reaching positive consequences...why weren't they prepared for negative ones? And why are they not willing to take ownership of what they did?
angeedee
February 17, 2005 - 02:16 PM
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Jay said it best: "it's not Survivor." wendy is as clueless about the show she's on as she is about the things she's designing.
also, i don't think some people appreciate just how difficult it is to be given $50 and an hour (or whatever it was) in a supermarket and have to come up with something on the spot that's going to be cool. and that's not even counting the abysmally short amount of time they actually have to construct the designs. it's a lot harder than it looks!
ps. looking at the fashion week collections, it's easy to see who's who, and Jay should win. his designs are the most creative and visually appealing (though i don't know what the criteria were). Kara Saun would also be a worthy choice. if it's wendy, i'll have to boycott PR2. she should have been gone the very first week.
you know, starcycle, i never thought about that but you might be right.
i mean, daniel's stuff wasn't that innovative, but at least his model was wearing clothing. wendy's wasn't wearing a thing. maybe she should have been gone the first week. I was thinking she should have left the second week, (envy challenge) because her dress was unfinished, had no vision, no relation to envy, looked like a sack, i could go on, but maybe you are right. maybe she should have been out on episode one...............
bravoproject
February 17, 2005 - 02:24 PM
I like Wendy and I am not from her home town.
aguynamedWayne
February 17, 2005 - 02:25 PM
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I know I'd have to have started having kids a little earlier than I did, but I wish he were my son. I love his spirit and his courage to be who he is. I love Austin's style and think he should come to the south.
Coming from a little gay boy who himself escaped the homophobia of the south to come to NYC and freedom, can I just say without any sarcasm, "Damn, that was a beautiful quote"!!!! Thanks SymplySouthern, I guess times do change. And how wonderful is that.
starcycle
February 17, 2005 - 02:25 PM
wendy #1, starr #2. her designs were so consistently awful i couldn't believe she stayed around as long as she did, either. and no way should Kevin have been dumped just because wendy said he was a poor leader! what a travesty. well, maybe they'll get it together for season 2, if there is a season 2 (i hope there is).
starcycle
February 17, 2005 - 02:30 PM
i just posted and it didn't show up.
ericats
February 17, 2005 - 02:31 PM
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I feel bad for Wendy to an extent, because of the "you are your own worse enemy" thing, which is also how I feel about Vanessa...
I feel bad for Vanessa because she obviously had a very bad experience being on PR. She's not right or wrong, it was just her experience. I had read her interview a while back and it didn't seem that inflammatory at the time but then I wasn't a fellow contestant. What I got from it was that she thought it was going to be a different type of show and she didn't like what it turned out to be or how she was treated.
I don't know if she was drunk or chewing on a bitter pill (or both)last night but was sorry to see her go in such a way.
bravoproject
February 17, 2005 - 02:35 PM
I don't feel bad for any of them. They signed up to be on the show...no guarentees it is going to be a good experience. but at least they got the experience.
d2000
February 17, 2005 - 02:48 PM
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Did anyone else think Heidi was supercilious?
Absolutely. And, for those of you who've read the infamous Vanessa article....did you see the look on Heidi's face when they were talking about it?? Whew if looks could kill...Is it just me or did anyone else notice this.....
anOutsider
February 17, 2005 - 02:49 PM
Did you really watch the show, or just love Wendy because you identify her with yourself: an aging woman who still dreams to be somebody noticeable?
desperatewannabe
February 17, 2005 - 02:50 PM
Did you obsessives all watch the extended videos of exit interviews on the site? Interesting. Austin is terrific, but he really takes a spot-on shot at Kara Saun - calls her work very "1970s" and points out that his work hearkens back to an era where the stanards of taste were not so tacky. Damn! At first I gasped but then I looked at her outfits and he is exactly right. Go Austin!
As for the others -- Rob is so cute and sharp as a ......tic tac. But did I mention he was cute? He'll probably end up the head buyer of the womens line at Niemans.
Vanessa -- more of the same. Aren't I outrageous, aren't I Briddish? Gawd, I loved her clothes, but I think I know why she's in Houston. Cheaper to have a lengthy drunk there.
bravoproject
February 17, 2005 - 02:53 PM
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Vanessa -- more of the same. Aren't I outrageous, aren't I Briddish? Gawd, I loved her clothes, but I think I know why she's in Houston. Cheaper to have a lengthy drunk there.
that is hilarious and true!
BumbledBee
February 17, 2005 - 02:56 PM
When did having an opinion become reprehensible? People may refer to the Wendy fans as "one-hit wonders" because we just didn't have the time or inclination to post to these message boards that are inundated with "regular" losers. Well, unfortunately, we've finally decided to voice our opinions along side the rest of the Austin flame-boys, Jay emo-punks, and the Kara pro-martyrs.
Wendy's designs may not be couture, but who walks down Fifth Avenue or any other street in couture. I will never see anyone wearing Kara's magenta Chinchilla inspired jacket. Why? Because a Chinchilla is a squirrel-like rodent, and rodents are ugly. Jay's outfits are great for the emo-inspired punks of this world. Great, leave it to the unwashed miscreants to decide what the next "big thing" is going to be. I mean, how dare we mainstream forget that the weirdos are the only ones with any "creativity." "We like to make clothes that don't 'fit the norm'; therefore, we have TALENT." No, you have a personal style. I won't even touch costume design flame-boy. Join a theatre company.
These designers will go nowhere, except maybe to the Surreal Life on VH1. Anybody stupid enough to watch a reality tv show, or sign up for a reality tv show, and expect something other than a reality tv show should be dragged out into the street, shot, and put out of their misery. On what planet have you been living?
Thanks for the check Wend! I'll give it to the equally corrupt Catholic church to help buy back your soul. Apparently Kara has a direct line to God.
ericats
February 17, 2005 - 02:56 PM
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I don't feel bad for any of them. They signed up to be on the show...no guarentees it is going to be a good experience. but at least they got the experience.
Yes, maybe she had unreal expectations.
bravoproject
February 17, 2005 - 03:00 PM
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Yes, maybe she had unreal expectations.
instead of looking inward and getting something out of it, she obviously looked to the bottle and gained nothing from it.
DieTrying
February 17, 2005 - 03:02 PM
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Jay said it best: "it's not Survivor." wendy is as clueless about the show she's on as she is about the things she's designing.
also, i don't think some people appreciate just how difficult it is to be given $50 and an hour (or whatever it was) in a supermarket and have to come up with something on the spot that's going to be cool. and that's not even counting the abysmally short amount of time they actually have to construct the designs. it's a lot harder than it looks!
ps. looking at the fashion week collections, it's easy to see who's who, and Jay should win. his designs are the most creative and visually appealing (though i don't know what the criteria were). Kara Saun would also be a worthy choice. if it's wendy, i'll have to boycott PR2. she should have been gone the very first week.
you know, starcycle, i never thought about that but you might be right.
i mean, daniel's stuff wasn't that innovative, but at least his model was wearing clothing. wendy's wasn't wearing a thing. maybe she should have been gone the first week. I was thinking she should have left the second week, (envy challenge) because her dress was unfinished, had no vision, no relation to envy, looked like a sack, i could go on, but maybe you are right. maybe she should have been out on episode one...............
You are so right about that! Wendy's first outfit was absolutely horrid. It didn't look at all well put together, all that sugar on your skin would be hell to wear if you dared sweat a drop, and those dangly things off the bikini bottom looked like nipples (what the hell were they, anyway?). Yeah, Daniel's outfit severely lacked creativity, but at least it didn't have fake nipples hanging from it! Then again, this was all before Wendy went to Psychoville. It all came down to them feeling sorry for the odd girl out and not wanting to look overtly ageist. How awful would that have made the producers look to have kicked out the obviously oldest one, the one from the small town, the mother?
***On a side note, can someone please post some links to the reviews of the designers' work from FW? I tried to do a Google search and didn't come up with much. I'd like to read what the professionals had to say.
jarby
February 17, 2005 - 03:03 PM
New to the board, and just read ALL of the posts. Thank you for putting the show and Wendy in the proper perspectives. I found myself, after first thinking Wendy did not have the talent to compete with the New York and California divas, reallizing that she often was the only one who really listened when clients expressed their needs. Austin simply cannot listen, even though I loved some of his designs. KS and Jay are the better designers, but in the end I was pulling for the outsider who, I believe, was dismissed by most of them almost from the beginning. "What's this suburban housewife dress-maker doing here?" I can hear them now, and I am ecstatic that Wendy is in the final show, although I do not believe that she will win.
bravoproject
February 17, 2005 - 03:07 PM
I dont think Wendy will win either but I am glad she is in the final three. I think her, Kara and Jay make an interesting mix...each one of them coming from a different perspective.
snoops
February 17, 2005 - 03:16 PM
Purpledreamart,
You are kicking some major message board a**! Your analysis is totally right on! That is the singular reason this show has been a disappointment. One newspaper article called PR the show where "Drama Trumps Talent." (good use of the Donald allusion there).
You hit the nail on the head for the divisiveness on this board! That said, Wendy, you do not design with as clean lines as someone on this board said. Gathered bustiers, assymmetrical hemlines, jagged hems, and side pleats don't = clean lines to me.
marymaters
February 17, 2005 - 03:20 PM
ThomsTeddyBear
February 17, 2005 - 03:20 PM
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Oh yeah- forgot- any thoughts on Rob! He said nothing the entire reunion show. No one asked how he got so far-others were far more talented! No resentment or animosity toward him!
Because his personality is not that of a conniving, stab-a-family-member-to-win hack. He's actually nice.
DieTrying
February 17, 2005 - 03:24 PM
Jay is not a freaking emo-punk. If he were in the least part emo, I'd want to shove a metal spike through his eye like I do all the other whiny wannabe whiners. Jay has spunk and personality, can take a joke even when he's the butt of it, can stand outside of the situation and find the humor in it, and doesn't take himself too seriously. Remember, he said it himself, he was there for comedic value, it just so turns out he's a great designer, too.
And if he were "emo", he probably would be too scared of colors that aren't black. He's vibrant, in every sense of the term.
Don't get me wrong, Wendy has her talents. I really liked the way she did her bridal gown - I thought the corset back was really innovative - but that was another example of her simply taking direction from a client and doing what they told her to. We don't know if that idea came out of her head or out of the client's. Still, that puts her in the category of "comptent dressmaker" and not "designer." I hope she has an illustrious career sewing costumes for her precious daughter's tap dance class.
TomTool71
February 17, 2005 - 03:27 PM
Go Wendy!!
I simply cannot wait until Wendy wins!!
rufusblue
February 17, 2005 - 03:32 PM
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Ok...here's the thing. And after this I fully intend to stop talking about wendy!!
I totally understand why they were being so mean to her. I get the feeling that they all went into this thinking what I did when i first started watching, that it was talent based. I am a designer and If I were in this competition I would have been seriously dissapointed that someone who lacks talent is getting far because of strategy and NOT talent.
I am not just pissed because Austin was booted over Wendy. To be honest I doubted Austin's originality a while ago. But I thought Wendy should have been gone from the very beginning...even before the back stabbing started. SO here is one person who TRUELY does not believe in her as a designer!!!
I am looking at it like this...most of them are professional designers. They have put in hours and hours not sleeping, studying, probably stressing to the max and sheading a few tears.
They were probably excited to do what they love and be rewarded for great work, not for how well they played the game.
That is what I see as the difference between this game and other reality games...like survivor for instance...those contestants have not gone to school for survivor. They have not competed in the job market for a surviving job.
I used to see it more like American idol without the voting. Those contestants do not sabatage eachother, it is totally talent based.
Ahhh
I could go on and on about this.
I guess I just see it different looking at it as designer.
I have said it before. But the key to being successful in the TINY world of design is to NOT burn bridges. Everyone sortof helps everyone else. I feel that Wendy will have a hard time getting favors, or business for that matter after this is over. The other designers, if they need help from one of the other designers, you can bet that they will have it.
Wendy, in my opinion lacks integrity, creativity, and from what I can see, common sense. I do not think she has thought through what will happen if she loses. I do not know alot of people who want to work with someone who is willing to step all over you to get what they want. AND from what I can see she does not have a very impressive resume (unless you are a stripper in search for a new non-existant dress).
OK...I gotta stop talkign about this. I have more imortant things to do, like search for $1000 on ebay!
Well said, Jamie. Well, everything but the stripper part lol. *eek*
Seriously though, it fully illustrates something I've noticed after spending some time looking through posts on various sections of this message board i.e. that the division here isn't so much between the Wendy haters and the Wendy lovers, but between the creative types and the non-creative/anti-creative types.
I too am creative (visual artist) and have always loved fashion from an artistic/creative standpoint. I don't necessarily buy or wear the clothes that I see, but I adore looking at them, imagining the creativity that went into them, the craft that put them together physically i.e. garment construction, etc. since I also sew. So when I saw Project Runway, I thought prayers for more artsy type TV, vs. the DIY scrapbooking crafty lady crap we normally see, or fashion as makeover shows, had at least been partially answered. I saw every episode from day one, and fully thought it was a competition..almost more like a documentary than a "survivor" type reality show...you know, being on Bravo and all. I mean, had it been on the Fox Channel or something, I may have at least had a clue. And I'm not a huge TV fan, but really worked myself around Bravo's schedule, and when I couldn't watch, I taped the show for later viewing. I so enjoyed seeing the challenges, and watching unfold before me the CREATIVE PROCESS...how the designers would pull from thin air, as creative people do, works of art. Good bad or ugly. And when it was ugly, or slightly missed the mark, I could relate. And when it was great, wow! I mean, a dress out of corn husks or a beach chair. Amazing. I can't even imagine the thought processes there.
So here are all these creative people, more or less like me, wrestling with these almost impossible challenges and deadlines. And one who is talking about strategy, how she wants to use other peoples weaknesses against them to win etc. etc. Hello? I think you're on the wrong show, my dear. There is no way your Big Brother/Survivor tactics are going to help you if you're no good.
And again and again I watched, as this person wasn't eliminated when she clearly should have been. But it was okay, because I knew eventually she would be. And when she turned on Austin and said he wasn't a good leader I thought, okay this is it. The judges will clearly see that she's not a team player...because it is obvious from the footage that she did nothing to contribute to the team i.e. telling Austin about her concerns about the dress as Vanessa tried to do. And Austin, oh Austin. Turning in Vanessa because she didn't sew as well, even though she at least provided you input...where Wendy told you everything you were doing was fantastic, only to stab you in the back for not being a good leader. Basically the same thing with Kevin. If she thought he wasn't a good leader, than as a good part of the TEAM, she should have at least said something rather than playing the passive aggressive sucking up game she played with him. In fact, the only time she talked about being part of the "team" was when she turned her back on her good friend Morgan (the model) and eliminated her because she knew the "team" wanted her gone. Give me a break. The only reason she was able to be nice to Morgan was because she didn't feel threatened by her...as she clearly was by the ages, differing mindsets, lifestyles, and talent of most of the others in the group. Argh.
But as a non-creative person or one who is threatened by creative people, I would not be interested in anyones talent, or clothing construction, etc. etc. I would look for personalities or people I could relate to and root for. So over and above the whole "controversy" factor that Wendy brought to the group, which I think was just a side benefit for Bravo casting, Wendy brought something else. The "O" factor, i.e. appealing to the every woman Oprah Winfrey type watching folks who couldn't care less about art, creativity etc. I think Bravo knew that they wouldn't have a strong enough draw with the purely creative faction, and they needed someone with broader appeal. Like I said, the fact that she chose to meet this challenge as a survivor type reality show and use subversive and passive aggressive tactics as her strategy, vs. focusing completely on creativity, design, and pure talent was probably just a bonus for Bravo, and their ratings. And this isn't to be "elitist" as some have said. I can no more relate to Wendy and her mindset than a non-creative person could relate to that of someone like Austin's or Jay's, Kara Saun's, or even Mario's. Different kinds of minds are just attracted to different things, that's all.
I think the fault here lies in Bravo's inability to clearly communicate that this was no more a competition of creativity than something like Big Brother or Survivor. Sure, they had to pull something passable out in the end to send to Fashion Week...so they did have to have some talent there. And I'm guessing that Banana Republic wouldn't completely compromise what integrity it has by backing a show with no talent. But judging from the results, and from the perspective of a creative person, they may as well have had a bunch of people pretending to be designers to see how many people they could fool as cast someone like Wendy...or at least keep her in as long as they did purely for demographic and/or ratings.
I'm sorry to say it, but you can't have it both ways. You can't have a controversial "reality show" with a broad ratings draw and keep the integrity of a show with an actual premise. Which is why everyone here is so po'd at one another. One group thought this show was a reality show, and in their minds, Wendy played the "best." And the other group is offended to their creative cores that someone who didn't deserve to, got as far as she did. and you can't really blame either side. Both were tricked and mislead to some degree imho. Which is probably fine with Bravo, since the creatives are in the minority...again, probably their rationale in including the "everywoman" in the first place. Oh well. Hopefully another cable channel will take Bravos concept and present it with a little integrity. You know, for the rest of us who don't merely want to be "entertained." *sigh*
Brilliantly said. You hit the nail on the head. Everyone should take the time to read your post and truly let it sink in.
bfhdznr
February 17, 2005 - 03:34 PM
I'm gonna go on a complete tangent here. But does anyone else agree with Mario's assesment of Tim that he is Quote "one hot ass [expletive deleted]"! and how. hottie!
marymaters
February 17, 2005 - 03:36 PM
First time to the message board, but have seen every episode @ least 2x. I've read selected dialogue here and one must really wonder what went on with the judges. The word inconsistency jumps out at me. But for the most part, either through editing or actual conversation/critique, they were right on in their eliminations with the exception of two. 1. Wendy should have been outta there either with the first challenge or right after the neurotic and unconfident lawyer. 2. Austin belongs in.
Personalities and strategies aside- Austin clearly demonstrated consistently the ability to creatively design garments. (whether you liked them or not)Wendy on the other hand (with the exception of the BR challenge) created some of the ugliest things I've ever seen. Against my better judgement in appearing the slightest interested, I went to her web site and confirmed what I saw from the first episode. Trash in- trash out.
In addressing the theories regarding why she's still there, if the producers/judges kept her there for the DRAMA-factor or her age, (remember Kara is 37 and Wendy is 40 something, not that much age difference)they did Wendy a huge disservice of leading her on some illusion. Furthermore, why would Heidie Klum, Michael Korrs or Nina Garcia jeopardize their reputations by compromising. Wendy repeated affirmed that she would do whatever it took to get to the final three. Somehow, missing pattern pieces, die, fabric and accusing someone of defacing a photo of her daughter are withiin the realm of what she's capable.
Regardless, if Wendy comes out on top next week, I'm quite sure there will be a small, but quiet uproar among viewers and the sponsors will be kicking themselves in the hinder for pissing away $100,000.
Clearly Kara, Jay, Austin, Kevin and Alexandra will succeed, someday. They are bright talented artists/designers.
P.S. Does anyone know who drew the mustache on the photo?If it's on film, I think I'd pay to see that clip.
fashionpassion
February 17, 2005 - 03:37 PM
And you are...who? Stop screaming, grow up, and don't ever tell me where I can write a message. She absolutely can design (fashion is very subjective...we can't all like the same things) and showed more class and maturity (despite a few incidences) than all the rest of them, in spite of what they put her through.
ThomsTeddyBear
February 17, 2005 - 03:38 PM
Crocodile tears
She's an ice b*tch
She's a thief
She's a sociopath
She's just pathetic
And no matter how the Defendys want to put her in a good light for her actions (Why? Disturbing), it's not going to work. The world has already seen her nastiness. Likewise, trying to all of a sudden bash Kara is also not going to work. Everyone has seen how nice she was to Wendy up to the Postal episode where Wendy went postal and stole Kara's color. Everyone else is gone, there's no one to bash so the Defendys are reaching into the air and pulling out Kara's name in a desparate attempt to make something up. How very Wendy. As for the mentioned "jealousy" the others have of Wendy - for what?!!
"Dayum, you know I wish my clothes were unfinished, farty, dowdy, and would fall apart like Wendy's...then I'd be a REAL designer!"
Yeah, they're working hard to attain THAT level of success...not.
isis101
February 17, 2005 - 03:39 PM
http://advocate.com/html/stories/933/933_scarlett.aspjust thought some people would like to read something about austin and his views post-PR. check it out.
virgo1000
February 17, 2005 - 03:40 PM
I was surprised at the open "catfight" type behavior on the show. It was no surprise that Wendy did her usual "attention seeking behavior" and I do think that Vanessa was right on about Wendy writing on her own picture of her child versus anyone from the group. I think it was pretty horrid that fingers were pointed but it amazed me even more that Wendy slightly flinched when the finger was pointed at her and she became more smug. Vanessa's behavor was more than surprising as she will be remembered forever for walking out and saying she did not want to be at the taping.
Despite all I do feel that a big injustice was done by voting Wendy in the top 3. She didn't really win on her own merits....others had to push her to think about her design, she used color pallete from KS and knew she would be out if she didn't listen to advice this time around. Her behavior is totally AXIS II (for those who are not in the mental health field---personality disorder). First rule of business is never cut your bridges...you get ahead and can better do a job, any job by having good contacts and relationships with others. Besides please if I only had one picture print of my child(ren) I certainly would not have it on a desktop that I was creating on, especially one where anything could happen to it...accidently cut, marked on, torn, etc.
Wendy never took any interest in what she looked like the whole show....then hello! at the reunion she has a new hair color, points out she has lost weight and surprise a spin on her usual "old lady" style. I would have worn others designs before I would ever chose something Wendy made. The biggest reason is her behavior! Even if she does make it big it will always influence me...I don't want to spend money on someone who has such horrible behavior. I wonder if Heidi or even Michael Kors (who is my favorite!) would really want to work with Wendy, much less back her designs after her comments & behavior.
The contest is between KS and Jay....either deserve to win...I agree that if Wendy wins it will be a disaster!!! I also looked for Nancy O'Dell on the Grammy's to see if she was actually wearing Wendy's creation and what "tweaks" were made. Never saw her....did anyone else?
lisakaz
February 17, 2005 - 03:40 PM
Good takes. Vanessa can't get over reality vs. expectations. Clearly she sees that PR run her rather than helped her. But instead of trying to correct this, she made it worse.
Wendy didn't make it better either. I can't believe ANYONE is buying her self-justification crap. I think what Vanessa what had a strong degree of insightfulness. How she said it, however, was a disaster that compromised the credibility of what she said.
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bravoproject
February 17, 2005 - 03:41 PM
wow. I guess wendy must be the anti-christ. maybe we should take her out back and beat the living snot out of her.
Cyndi
February 17, 2005 - 03:41 PM
I hope Wendy wins. She deserves it most of all since in my opinion she has been the most honest. she has not strayed from who she is and makes no bones about the fact that she is here to win. The others would not even be worried about her unless they considered her competition. HORRAY FOR THE UNDERDOG. GO WENDY GO WENDY GO WENDY GO!!!!!!!
snoops
February 17, 2005 - 03:42 PM
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They were expecting long-reaching positive consequences...why weren't they prepared for negative ones? And why are they not willing to take ownership of what they did?
You said it, SC! Wow, such good posts today!
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