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ThomsTeddyBear
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I think Vanessa is a prime example of everyone else on the show. We never got to see any of them as they truly are. Only the way the producers wanted us to see them. I am not even going to mention Wendy.
Kara came of differently because I think she's had it. I know I would have been burnt out a long time ago with everything that has gone on. Wouldn't we all be?




Yeah, Kara put up with it until almost the end of the series before she started showing signs that she'd had enough. She gets high credit.
lisakaz
You really don't get it? It explains EVERYTHING critics of her have said. She ain't a nice woman and she isn't educated or analytical, either. She wouldn't know the difference between Derrida and Dunkin' Donuts.

lk
snoops
Thanks, d2000! I just wanted to know if the peeps thought Heidi just shows her disdain a little too easily for some of the designers. A lot of people from the Heidi board think that she's the best model since sliced bread.

Austin did say some really good things about Heidi. It's in the Advocate article. Austin came off looking really sincere and sweet.
bravoproject
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She wouldn't know the difference between Derrida and Dunkin' Donuts.

lk




what is the difference between Derrida and Dunkin' Donuts?

(just poking alittle fun...its getting alittle heavy in here)
lisakaz
But the key question is not did her tactics get her to FW. Did the producers carry her by not wanting the judges to elminate her. The decisions were hardly transparent on that account and the disclaimer at the end of the show pretty much states that the producers influence the decisions.

So it might be giving Wendy too much credit to say she got herself to FW.

lk
ThomsTeddyBear
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Jay and Austin should be given thier own show. A new millenium version of the Odd Couple. Just put those two in a room, give them some booze and watch the ratings zoom through the roof!




LOVE the idea - I'd be a faithful viewer!
Morgasmo
Rob was kept around because of he developed as a very lovable character. Thats why they brough him back for technical assistance. I'd say he was also kept for the eye candy but then they would have kept Alexandra as well?
bravoproject
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But the key question is not did her tactics get her to FW. Did the producers carry her by not wanting the judges to elminate her. The decisions were hardly transparent on that account and the disclaimer at the end of the show pretty much states that the producers influence the decisions.

So it might be giving Wendy too much credit to say she got herself to FW.

lk




you could say this about others too though. I am not sure if I buy into that 100% as I think the judges are respected people in the field and they wouldn't want to put themselves out there by supporting anyone who may make their decisions look bad....
johng3110
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Jay and Austin should be given thier own show. A new millenium version of the Odd Couple. Just put those two in a room, give them some booze and watch the ratings zoom through the roof!




LOVE the idea - I'd be a faithful viewer!





Hey, I would watch that show ! It would be hilarious and heart warming -- the new Odd Couple !
Chiffon
I think Wendy was a bit machiavellian at times, but there was no shortage of negative comments coming from a lot of the other designers. Kevin threw Nora under the bus (which she probably deserved), and one often heard designers say they hated someone else's design, or thought so-an-so lacked talent.
lisakaz
Thanks for the link to the Advocate article. That Austin did a costume for Heidi is VERY interesting. So was his line about the editing being true to the characters. I hope he still does something about Nancy and the Oscars. He's GOTTA follow up!

lk
Morgasmo
Wendy won't win. Trust me people. Bravo and PR played the best card for them, bringing Wendy into the final 3 gives them the drama they want but in the end the winner will be the most talented of the 3 (and it better friggin be JAY!!!!) so that keeps the show reputable in the eyes of the public (or at least the majority of the public. I know some of you feel betrayed/bewildered/never watching again).

I wonder in future shows whether or not there will be more people playing like Wendy. I guess that would depend on who gets casted. There will def. be another unpopular character for sure.
nabakov5
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Two mysteries revealed:

1) The "hot [expletive deleted]" was Tim. :-)




I NEVER saw that coming but you know what, Tim was kinda hot!

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2) I swear Kevin was the mustache bandit. Did anybody see him grin when they showed the picture in the video clip? Then when Tim accused him he went into his shifty eyed, lip-biting, rodent thing. And the camera just stayed on him. yikes.




Hey hey hey! No he didn't, he was just nervous trying to defend himself as witnessed in the Wendy-eliminates-Kevin episode that's all. Plus, the camera was still in the room even though they said he was alone because it films them until they're gone to try to catch reactions. If he did it, they would have showed it and said, "We have you on camera".




....thanks thom...i stayed away from the boards last night because i was sure that everyone would be screaming KEVIN DID IT KEVIN DID IT....just for the record, i still think kevin is innocent, and his personality was his worst enemy, causing him to appear paranoid when he was really just pensive and taken aback about being accused of doing such a silly and childish thing...also...i'd like to add...i thought kevin offered the most intelligent comments on who will win when he described the "capsule" of excitement that would ultimately decide the winner at fashion week...kevin displayed a very internal and complex understanding of the fashion industry, and he should...since he's been in it for so long. go kevin!!!! i still think you rock!!!
Cyndi
It sure is funny how someone you all claim has no talent sure has won two of the biggest challenges. I think the other designers are all in a funk because Wendy would not hang with them and she kept to herself and for that she was ostrasized. Also, she was judged and by rough ones yet, she is still in the contest. I am Wendy's biggest fan. This is a free country and we should celebrate individuality. Go Wendy Go Wendy Go Wendy Go.
hamcookie
I've been following PR since episode 1. In fact it is the ONLY tv show I regularly watch. I haven't liked any of Wendy's PR designs,,well, except for the swimsuit, but then it really wasn't complete. When I buy a swimsuit, I generally want a bottom too. But I must say that I don't see her as evil as so many people here do. I thought she handled herself VERY well on last night's show. And, I really like most of her FW collection. Also, she lives in Middleburg, Va. It is not a hick town by any stretch of the imagination. Middleburg is a community made up of very well off people. Yes, there are a lot of farms there, but they are mostly the "gentleman" type. Think Thoroughbred horses, politics and old money. Not rednecks and sofas on the porch. Maybe not the fashion metropolis of the universe, but not my idea of Hicksville, USA, or even suburbia. Just wanted to set the record straight. And, no, I'm not from Middleburg. Nor do I live there.(I couldn't begin to afford it)
Also, what is the BIG DEAL about the whole Wendy's daughter picture thing? It wasn't nice, but JEEZZZZZZZzzzzzzz, c'mon!!! It wasn't like they cut her head off, or drew a circle and slash through the girl. I just didn't see that as such a horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible incident. Wrong, but more childish than evil. Damn, can't someone Photosoap the picture for Wendy so we can all move on? I did think Kevin looked guilty, but maybe they could call the FBI in??? One more thang, I have liked Jay the best since the BR Challenge(and I LOVE his FW collection!!), but he needs to lose the holier than thou attitude he had last night. His relentless attacks on Vanessa last night were a little much for me. Damn, WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG????
ThomsTeddyBear
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Quote: The show was shot over three weeks (I think?) and you cannot get to know someone in that amount of time-especially when someone is doing the picking and choosing of what you see!

No way that the show was filmed in just three weeks. I would estimate 6 weeks... but does anyone know for sure?




According to Austin, it took about a month. I don't know if this has been previously posted (I'm about 90 posts behind, just in this folder, lol!) but in case it hasn't, here is a nice interview with Austin:

http://advocate.com/html/stories/933/933_scarlett.asp




Thanks for the link. Interesting to note:

"The taping was about a month, and we were under complete lock and key the whole time. We could not even go to the corner to get a soda. They would never, ever let you know what you would be doing for the next 10 minutes, so we were anxious the entire time."

That clears the designers of defacing the picture unless they come up with a tape to the contrary.
lisakaz
Apparently you didn't see her go "postal." The question is was it contrived or not. We still don't know. And sorry Jay I think it's a legitimate question.

lk
johng3110
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I'm gonna go on a complete tangent here. But does anyone else agree with Mario's assesment of Tim that he is Quote "one hot ass [expletive deleted]"! and how. hottie!





Tim is a handsome and polished man.

However, I think that kind of comment was inappropriate for that TV show. The remark should have been edited out because of the language (calling someone a "hot [expletive deleted]") and because of the substance (a remark that expressed one person's sexual attraction for another person).

Sexiness is definitely part of the fashion profession. But, IMO, it is unprofessional to express personal sexual attraction in public and with that kind of language.

--John
lemmewinks
I just wanted to say that after watching the show last night, it's obvious that Austin was the one that marked on Wendy's picture. You could tell by his body language when Heidi was telling them to be grown-ups and confess which one did it, he rolled his eyes and laughed. Then he said, "Well, whoever did it, did it out of uncontrolled anger and it's silly and I don't think we should even be talking about it anymore". Could you be more obvious? I'm sorry to say that I suspected Jay at first but being malicious really isn't his style, he likes to watch things happen, not really make them happen. I was really bummed when Austin was cut but since I know that he's the one that did that, I believe that the decision was the right one. He's obviously got some issues that either stim from a psychological problem or immaturity. Either reason, he needs to grow up or get some help before he tries out the professional world again. I think Austin really made a mistake and lost some fans last night, women with children (which let's face it, probably make up most of the Bravo viewers) are not going to take kindly to his antics.
d2000
This following quote from the Boston Globe disgusts me. Even though I suspected the producers kept Wendy in for drama, I though they truly hadn't intended for her to make the final three, but that they screwed up by having O'Dell judge. Guess not...

(in response to Austin being eliminated in leiu of Wendy in the last challenge...):
"It's the kind of drama that Bravo president Lauren Zalaznick said the television network was aiming for when it created the reality program"

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/ar...les/2005/02/17/
project_runway_is_true_to_form/?rss_id=Boston+Globe+--
+Living+%2F+Arts+News
lisakaz
Yep. Reminds me of what Austin said in the Advocate article:

"With the exception of Wendy, we could go to one another for an honest opinion."

And an observation of certain boundaries of behavior, too.

lk
lisakaz
Good points. That Rob thing was funny. I feel as hot and bothered about my chiro. Austin did say something nice about Heidi in his Advocate interview. He apparently made her a costume for Halloween. She is very German in certain aspects of "warmth" but I'm not sure it's a 24-hr thing.

lk
desperatewannabe
Indeed it is. What a sweetheart. He's obviously doing well if he's hangin' with Heidi.
starcycle
great interview with austin! he's fantastic. i hope they do make him at least a guest judge if there's a second season.

the only thing i thought was bad about someone drawing a moustache on wendy's picture is that they didn't draw a beard, too! (j/k)
ThomsTeddyBear
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Ok. First off. I'm so over the Wendy bashing and it's hard to read these boards when the majority of posts are about her. I did love how Tim said that people on this site are very interested in her. Is "interested" just a polite way of saying loathe? despise? Anyway, I agree she's a terrible designer, but I don't think she's the devil that so many think she is. I actually understood her reason for calling out Austin on the roack star challenge and regarding Kevin, Anne Slowey specifically asked Wendy what she thought of Kevin as a leader. And Wendy answered her. Do I think she's one of the top 3 designers? No. But, as Heidi pointed out, Wendy won that last challenge fair and square. No matter how stupid and tasteless Nancy O'Dell is, Wendy still won. Those are the rules of the game, folks. Finally, I thought Wendy was very composed last night considering the attacks she was subjected to. I don't know if I could have been as lady like.




You're confusing the lady with the tramp, to use a nicer name. (ask the cameramen)

There's 2 designers and 1 hack left. People are going to mostly talk about who's left and how they got there. Kara and Jay got there on talent, that other person didn't. Wendy is the only one who played a "game" - the others used talent.

And using O'dell as the final judge was beyond stupidity - whether Wendy won because of her taste or not. It was idiotic and unfair to use some outside person instead of the judges who were there most of the time.

So I'm glad you're over Wendy, but alot of people aren't and it's their right to vent whether anyone else likes it or not. At least it's for legitimate reasons and not to defend someone who would pat you on the back one minute and push you down the stairs the next. And if Kara is "holier than thou" (clear reaching) then I'd rather be like her than a spiteful snake-in-the-grass like Wendy.
lisakaz
Tim is great. I'm glad they gave him a segment, even if it was to kid him about his "make it work" mantra.

lk
Morgasmo
"So I'm glad you're over Wendy, but alot of people aren't and it's their right to vent whether anyone else likes it or not. At least it's for legitimate reasons and not to defend someone who would pat you on the back one minute and push you down the stairs the next."

It's not your place to say what reasons people have to defend Wendy or not. I understand you're mad but we gotta be fair too.
Gherk
Because you and your cohort wrote a novel, there's no room to quote here. I have to say, your nasty character assassination of people is even worse than most of the things I've seen posted about Wendy. You are ignorant of many things, obviously; you know little to nothing about Kara or Jay's experience in fashion and are stooping very low to criticize people - seems like you're just as guilty (if not more) as the ones you criticize. Maybe we should rake you across the coals now? Also, I have to say, it's funny to me the amount of speculation and jumping to conclusions I've seen on this board, not only about the people on the show, but the actual events. Nobody has the whole story, but everyone seems to react to it as though they do. We only know what we've seen on tv with the other designers . . . but I have to say, I know Jay and I am horrified by your insults of him. You don't know anything about his struggles to get where he is; and this thing about him being a queen? My god, are you out of touch with the gay community. You speak of the value of "seeing things correctly, objectively, and with intelligence," but that statement, in the light of your post, means very little. I'm wondering, why are you so angry and bitter? Got sand in your v*gin*?
starcycle
if only jay had designed some sort of basic spaghetti strap top thing like wendy did to go with his killer skirt, wendy would be history and austin would be in. he probably just didn't want to appear to be copying her in the same way wendy *clearly* copied kara saun by stealing her color. she took the fabric from her right off the table!!
ericats
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you could say this about others too though. I am not sure if I buy into that 100% as I think the judges are respected people in the field and they wouldn't want to put themselves out there by supporting anyone who may make their decisions look bad....




True but did you see that look that passed between Nina and Michael when O'Duh said that she liked Wendy's outfit the best?

The judging was inconsistent (may have had something to do with producers opinions) since it seemed that some people went earlier than they should have and some people stayed longer than they should have. Sometimes they seemed to consider the person's body of work and sometimes just the individual piece.

I would love to hear the judges' side of things (sans producers).
johng3110
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http://advocate.com/html/stories/933/933_scarlett.asp

just thought some people would like to read something about austin and his views post-PR. check it out. [/quote


Thank you for that link ! It was a nice interview.
lisakaz
What they put her through??? Like she is a saint. You gotta be kidding.

lk
lisakaz
Good one. Yeah, I aspire to that level of intellect and execution. NOT.

lk
lisakaz
There was a pic of Nancy in the "tweaked" version and links given here.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw Wendy's expression which cast some light on her being "outed" as defacing her own picture.

lk
ericats
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This following quote from the Boston Globe disgusts me. Even though I suspected the producers kept Wendy in for drama, I though they truly hadn't intended for her to make the final three, but that they screwed up by having O'Dell judge. Guess not...

(in response to Austin being eliminated in leiu of Wendy in the last challenge...):
"It's the kind of drama that Bravo president Lauren Zalaznick said the television network was aiming for when it created the reality program"

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/ar...les/2005/02/17/

project_runway_is_true_to_form/?rss_id=Boston+Globe+--

+Living+%2F+Arts+News




Thanks for the link; interesting article.

I guess that answers your question Morgasmo, we will get another Wendy Pepper next season.
Chiffon
Whatever she did, she's in the final 3. The way some people go on you would think she had poisoned half the other designers and buried the other half alive in order to win.
ThomsTeddyBear
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Ummm, the last time I checked this was a show about fashion design. Not a popularity contest about who is mean and who likes who. The FACT of the matter is wendy is a hot mess designer and she dont have no business in the final 3. Period. Put personal feelings aside because tv can make someone look very "one sided" but on the flip side you have to give them something to make you look that way. They didn't have a stand in double come in and do the shady acts, YOU DID THEM. But this isn't american idiol this isnt some popularity contest this is based on fashion design and how good you are. And she is a mess and shouldn't be there.




There it is!
Gherk
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How childish.

I know there are a lot of people on this board who can and do design and produce clothing but I have a feeling for many people here, just pulling a nice outfit out of their closet is an ordeal.

I'm so sick of hearing that Wendy is talent-less or 'not a designer'. She is a designer and she does have talent. You may not like her style, there may be people who can put a garment together faster and/or better than she does but there are probably many more that can't. How many of you could pull off something in a few hours or just 2 days? I'm sure there are a few of you but I know I can barely sew on a button.

I loved her Fashion Week collection. I don't think it was the most hip, the most outrageous or the most anything. But it certainly compared well to many of the other collections I looked at, even those of experienced designers. Not everyone wants the cutting edge of fashion. She's the only one I would trust to design a garment for me.

The other designers giving Wendy their opinion of her talent,as if it was absolute truth, totally lacked class. Taste is subjective and it takes a lot of balls to come out and completely dismiss a person's 'talent'. We don't really need a world full of Simon Cowells.




I completely agree! If I were having an outfit or a suit made, Wendy is the only person from that show I would trust. In every challenge where she was given hints or guidelines as to what they like and they don't (BR, Grammy's, Post Office), she was able to rise far above the expectations and turn out a beautiful product. She listens, and half of designing for others is LISTENING. You can make the most beautiful thing in the world for a client, but if it's not what they are looking for and its not their taste, then your efforts to fulfill their need is wasted and you have failed as a designer. I love that Wendy isn't trendy and she designs things that can be worn years from now: style that exceeds the decades is what I look for in clothing.

Wendy is a designer. Wendy is talented. Wendy is GRRRRR-REAT! (in my best Tony the Tiger voice)




I guess what bothers me most about these posts is the idea that the client is always the authority on the final design. As someone who does graphic design, and learns the same design process as fashion designers, industrial designers, architectural designers, I have to disagree with these posts for the obvious reason that to be a designer is not to take all of the client's needs so literally. As a designer, your job is to give them the thing that is the BEST - and if they knew that, they wouldn't need a designer - no one would. It's true that if the client hates it, it fails on some level, but the client does not always know best. I admit, Wendy's one strength was her ability to listen - but that strength was inconsistent and lost in translation. The wedding dress challenge was about this very thing; the designer, not the client, is the authority on what works, what looks good, what is the best - if they don't feel that way, they are not really succeeding, they're not designing, they're just taking orders . . . like a bad waittress.
lisakaz
Derrida died. (For one.) We'll stop there.

lk
lisakaz
Who else could have been carried further than they deserved. Rob maybe? Haven't you read the disclaimer? Producers do affect the outcome. My belief is that the judges get to a point where they ID the two weakest showings and the producers decide which one of the 2 gets axed. This might explain the voice-overs, in part. Since Wendy has survived a number of those situations, the producers would be in position to ensure that she stayed (or in the Starr v. Rob episode, that Rob stayed).

lk
lisakaz
I don't think she can win, either. I do wonder about the criteria that will be used for judging this one, though. It seems Jay had the best collection. As Carson said, "It tells a story." That seems to be a FW/haute couture thing. How much will that mean to the PR people? If executing the best collection matters, it seems like he should win.

If that was known already to the 3 when yesterday's "reunion" show aired, I wonder if that had anything to do with Kara's newfound ability to speak (or to some, preach)?

If either Kara or Jay wins, I think it would be deserved. I won't be upset either way. I just hope the judging criteria and their deliberations are more transparent.

lk
lisakaz
Did you read any reviews of her collection? Have you seen her website? Plenty here who have done both find no reason to be impressed.

And her elimination of Morgan was cold and cruel. Showed her true colors.

lk
Gherk
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Crocodile tears
She's an ice b*tch
She's a thief
She's a sociopath
She's just pathetic

And no matter how the Defendys want to put her in a good light for her actions (Why? Disturbing), it's not going to work. The world has already seen her nastiness. Likewise, trying to all of a sudden bash Kara is also not going to work. Everyone has seen how nice she was to Wendy up to the Postal episode where Wendy went postal and stole Kara's color. Everyone else is gone, there's no one to bash so the Defendys are reaching into the air and pulling out Kara's name in a desparate attempt to make something up. How very Wendy. As for the mentioned "jealousy" the others have of Wendy - for what?!!

"Dayum, you know I wish my clothes were unfinished, farty, dowdy, and would fall apart like Wendy's...then I'd be a REAL designer!"

Yeah, they're working hard to attain THAT level of success...not.




Hi TTB;

I've been avidly enjoying your posts, but this by far is my absolute favorite . . . I laughed out loud. BTW - I am completely in love with Kayan - sorry, he's the hottest in my book. I will say, Thom amazes me with his work. You notice on that show that the QE guys are positioned as authorities on their niches? That's what a good designer does, steers the client towards what is good, useful, beautiful - can you imagine if the QE guys let those straight guys steamroller over them and give them directions . . . like the Wendy defendy's think designing really is??? Oh, perish the thought!!
ThomsTeddyBear
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Um, I don't remember BR or Nancy O'Dell giving Wendy a sketch or telling Wendy how to design those dresses. She is obviously skilled at designing a garment for a particular individual. That is not a bad talent for a designer to have. That certainly doesn't mean she didn't design something, just because she used the client's taste as a clue. I see that give and take happen all the time between celebrities and designers. You just can't give her credit for anything can you?




um, she designed a top that looked exactly like the one nancy o'dell was wearing when she spoke to them, even the same color.
she altered her design at robert's and tim's suggestion several times.
um, the BR dress, the only other ocmpleted garment that stayed together on the runway, was an almost identical copy of what was already in the BR line.
so I don't agree with your assessment.
My opinion is she is a dressmaker.
I respect your opinion, i just don't agree with it.
After having worked in the biz for about 10 years, i'm going to stick with mine.

of course, in a few months i guess we will all know who is correct. if wendy truly is as talented as the wendy defendys on here say, the we will all be hearing about her in the fashion press, right?




And, i forgot to mention, it was Tim's assesment that Wendy was only successful when she was taking detailed direction.
He was THERE. And i think Tim Gunn might know a little bit about the art of design.
a little bit......

It's amazing how the defendys don't want to accept anyone's word, even those people who WERE THERE.
I wonder what color the sky is in their world?




You go girl! And the color of their sky - rose colored, the glasses must have been on sale.
lisakaz
Good point. Thom does this so well, whether it's that Asian-styled reception room or that "boom-boom" room. Thom is versatile but he reigns in a client on some level. The client never dictates to a designer. The designer can take away inspiration or insight into the type of environment (in this case) that would represent that client but Thom is not about to have a room full of paintings of dogs playing poker or velvet Elvises because clients want them.

lk
Patti
It seems every one is picking on Wendy, and I happen to like her and I hope she wins. She really hasn't done anything to any one except react to what people have done to her, and quite frankly people have been truely unfair to her and I would have reacted the same way.
She's the only one who's at least from this planet. God forbid if the under dog won! They are all just jealous of her and are acting very childish about it. That's my thoughts.
Gherk
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This following quote from the Boston Globe disgusts me. Even though I suspected the producers kept Wendy in for drama, I though they truly hadn't intended for her to make the final three, but that they screwed up by having O'Dell judge. Guess not...

(in response to Austin being eliminated in leiu of Wendy in the last challenge...):
"It's the kind of drama that Bravo president Lauren Zalaznick said the television network was aiming for when it created the reality program"

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/ar...les/2005/02/17/
project_runway_is_true_to_form/?rss_id=Boston+Globe+--
+Living+%2F+Arts+News




Thanks for the link - it's great they interviewed people from Mass Art - that's where I go to school!!! Would love to have Jay come up and do a talk . . . wonder how much they'd pay????
d2000
I think the way they treated Morgan last night was in really poor taste. I understand that quite probably she was intolerable, but I think the preface to the montage they showed about her was unneccesary. They were obviously trying to get back at her by making her look stupid and silly (about trying to sign an agreement). But, I think Bravo just lowered themselves.
formermodel
My reply to Fastfashion

You said that people who post messages to support Wendy are only the one from her hometown. I strongly desagree. As for myself I am not even an American. I am from Europe and I was working few years in Canada. So may be Nancy O'Dell who chose Wendy's dress is from her hometown as well? Maybe Banana republic Juges are from Wendy hometown ? So may be all the people who likes Wendy desines are from home town. Then I would say it have to be a very big town.
Raina
Wendy said she would do whatever it takes to win and I'm sorry I can not respect her methods of backstabbing, and underhanded trickery. Funny how people react badly to someone who is a jerk to everyone else. She got by to the final 3 on one design. And she still hasn't learned her lesson, she's still being the same awful person she became.
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