luvinkpenz
February 18, 2005 - 04:22 PM
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I agree too. Of course everyone on here knows me too as a Wendy fan. I just wish my voice could have been heard more on this forum...my posts were just too much to read for some people here. I had a lot of info about the Kevin and Wendy issue as well as the Austin and Wendy issue...I gave my reasons why I defended her AND information about her talent and attitude on this show. There's sooo much more that I can explain about Wendy that will probably change some peoples minds here...but some people on here have too much of a narrow point of view on things. If things appear this way...they will think that way.
Anyways, I loved Wendy's grammy outfit. Some person on this board said "Wendy can't rely on her talent, she needs to ask Nancy questions in order to keep herself structured instead of making the dress out of her head." Or something like that. Well...to defend that, the whole challenge was to design a grammy award outfit that met up to Nancy O'dell's likes. PLUS, the grammy award outfit had to be good too. You HAD to ask Nancy questions in order to meet up to her wants. How else can you please her without knowing what she wants? Like Wendy's site...she said she previously designed a great red carpet dress...but when she learned that Nancy O'dell was going to want a dress fit for her more, Wendy had to trash her idea and start all over. So Wendy DID already have an idea straight from her head, but she coudn't do it because then she would probably lose the challenge. She deserves to be in the final three. I knew she would be. And I also knew that her filming on television is trying to trick people into making her look like a nasty old female with phsycological issues..and somebody not worth making it to the final three. Yes, I think most of you guys have been tricked. Not me though, iv read and seen enough information to fully understand. I never look at somebody when there angry and autimatically think "I hate her." or "She has issues." I never judge people. I like Wendy a lot, and she explained on the 10th episodes everything I thought she would.
"ppppppppppppplllllllllllllllllllluuu"
redd66
February 18, 2005 - 04:28 PM
I don't understand the bitterness against Wendy, although I agree she lacks confidence and is not part of the pack, but then she's older and I think that has a lot to do with her not wanting to be part of a team. All the designers are very talented, but Wendy seems to have needed more direction than the other two finalists. My vote goes to Kara for #1.
luvinkpenz
February 18, 2005 - 04:35 PM
I would bet he had even less time. I hope they say something on the finale.
luvinkpenz
February 18, 2005 - 04:38 PM
THERE IS NO PLACE FOR "REAL" PEOPLE IN THE DESIGN WORLD!
oscar
February 18, 2005 - 04:45 PM
Wendy - Wendy - Wendy
I hated the boring remake of your Grammy dress - - Loved the original.
artbysteverozic
February 18, 2005 - 04:47 PM
I would have to say, out of all the designers, I like Wendy the best. She is not afraid to go for what she wants and doesn't play a pretentious [expletive deleted] or a goody-two-shoes like Jay or Kira Saun. I hope she wins!!!
lisakaz
February 18, 2005 - 05:06 PM
Her "honesty" was also very self-serving. I haven't seen a shred of material showing any of the other designers had this strategy to get close to others and exploit weaknesses. To many kept a "be true to yourself" view, including Kara and Jay. As Austin said, she was the only one you couldn't consult and get an honest opinion. Kevin coulda lied to Starr and tell her he thought her BR dress was wonderful but he opted not to say anything; his whisper was also a fairly mild criticsm that his outfit was more subtle than hers. Wendy did things like that.
Austin's Advocate interview elaborates a lot on these things. Did you see it?
lk
lisakaz
February 18, 2005 - 05:09 PM
And FW is about talent and vision, not ready-to-wear.
lk
JamieC
February 18, 2005 - 05:13 PM
Ha. That's all I will allow myself to say. I'm not allowing myself to talk about her anymore!
But I forgot to mention...how funny were Jay's outakes the other night? I was laughing so hard I am surprised I did not wake up my roomates.
I could NEVER work around him. When I was in college there was another designer who was alot like Jay and the professors were constantly breaking us up cause all we did was laugh.
Hodi...Hodi...Hosie...I Laugh just thinking about it!
ericats
February 18, 2005 - 05:14 PM
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Then Wendy's affairs and harassment of male interviewers would come back...
lk
Lisakaz, what's the story? I remember that you had another post about how she acted up during the interviews or that the interviewers didn't want to interview her or something like that. Do tell!
lisakaz
February 18, 2005 - 05:18 PM
It is silly to think there is no difference in high end fashion and Wal-Mart; one is high art, the other is mass produced basic wear. Art until the late 19th century (at least) was essentially "high art." You had to have wealth to commission da Vinci, ya know? Mass production changed this. Poor people used to only have a small amount of clothing, because they could not afford custom fitted garments. This is probably why older, smallish houses have some issues with closet space. The wealthy could have new garments every year, hence seasonal change year to year. Only since department stores and ready-to-wear because popular did this change, though I bought a vintage Edwardian ladies suit that seems to have been handmade. No label in it at all, for one.
lk
ericats
February 18, 2005 - 05:18 PM
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But I forgot to mention...how funny were Jay's outakes the other night? I was laughing so hard I am surprised I did not wake up my roomates.
I loved it when Jay crowned Austin Miss Postal Service USA. Also, when they were interviewing W in the hallway and then Vanessa opens the door and plays Scarlett O'Hara.
lisakaz
February 18, 2005 - 05:28 PM
Yep. Double standard for herself versus everyone else.
lk
lisakaz
February 18, 2005 - 05:39 PM
I did too, though puting next to each other Wendy, A Model (likely Morgan) and a Crew Member got dicey. Those are my leading candidates.
lk
lisakaz
February 18, 2005 - 05:47 PM
I didn't originate this, but someone was talking about various staffers refusing to conduct interviews with Wendy. She supposedly tried to flirt with all of them and was more than a bit aggressive (according to those who opted out). Apparently some of the Bravo staffers were gorgeous males and a number of people present commented on this amongst themselves but Wendy did more than comment. Maybe a web search will have a story on it?
lk
lisakaz
February 18, 2005 - 05:51 PM
Austin was suitably, playfully "grateful" for the title. This play gave some context to how the 2 did that mock fight after Austin won the swimsuit challenge. It made it seem that the two horsed around frequently.
lk
birdaileen
February 18, 2005 - 05:58 PM
yeah, i think the wendy-harassing-the-interviewers story comes from that infamous Vanessa interview on popgurls.com. she talks about it in the section where she describes "behind the scenes" at PR. i think i gave it more credence before i saw how bitter and angry vanessa was in this last show. she seems very vindictave and given to exaggeration...
birdaileen
February 18, 2005 - 05:59 PM
... which is a shame since I did like her designs, especially the first one for innovation. i thought it looked sexy and not at all like a trash bag.
lisakaz
February 18, 2005 - 06:05 PM
That might be where another poster got it. I think Vanessa's attitude hurt her and what actually were very truthful remarks. That Bravo didn't pay much to get these people to NY nor to keep them there was pretty bad. NYC is expensive too. I woulda thought some minimal allowance would have been given.
I don't think her bitterness should negate her insight. I couldn't really fault her on what she said so much as the way she said it.
lk
Trundle
February 18, 2005 - 06:11 PM
/agree
I mean, no one disputed a word of what she said. It was all truthful; that's why everyone was horrified. :-)
The problem people had, I thought, was that she was airing the dirty laundry. No one was arguing about whether the laundry was really dirty.
ericats
February 18, 2005 - 06:12 PM
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... which is a shame since I did like her designs, especially the first one for innovation. i thought it looked sexy and not at all like a trash bag.
I loved her trash bag dress! I would have liked to have seen her stay longer in the competition. From the interview and the reunion show it's obvious that she didn't have a very good experience with PR. If she had stayed longer would this have shown through? Mayber her and Jay* fighting would have provided the drama and W could have taken a back seat. It's interesting to guess what would have happened if certain people stayed and if certain people left.
* was Jay just mad about the article? It seemed to me that there was some back story there; maybe something happened between the two that we didn't see.
birdaileen
February 18, 2005 - 06:16 PM
are you sure they wouldnt pay their way to the reunion show? i think vanessa was saying they wouldnt pay her way to go see the Fashion Week shows, which she ended up not attending (she and kevin were the only ones not there). i find it extremely hard to believe that they wouldnt flay her out to film the reunion show.
birdaileen
February 18, 2005 - 06:17 PM
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are you sure they wouldnt pay their way to the reunion show? i think vanessa was saying they wouldnt pay her way to go see the Fashion Week shows, which she ended up not attending (she and kevin were the only ones not there). i find it extremely hard to believe that they wouldnt fly her out to film the reunion show.
especially since at the time of vanessa's interview to popgurls, there was no reunion show planned!!
LadyLisa
February 18, 2005 - 06:18 PM
I'am disappointed at some of the designers catty comments. I didn't like Wendy at first, until everyone started ganging up on her, now I hope she kicks butt.I liked alot of Kara's designs, but her mouthy comments about Wendy turned me against her. I thought she had some class. I haven't heard Wendy say anything remotely as vicious as the others have said about her. I'd buy Wendy's designs just to show her support. Kara and Jay must be scared that Wendy will win or they would not have bad mouthed her.So, Wendy - YOU GO GIRL!
birdaileen
February 18, 2005 - 06:22 PM
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... which is a shame since I did like her designs, especially the first one for innovation. i thought it looked sexy and not at all like a trash bag.
I loved her trash bag dress! I would have liked to have seen her stay longer in the competition.
i actually thought her trashbag dress was the coolest looking 'evening wear' to come out of that challenge. this is not in any way to undermine austin's dress- which was the most creative, took the most risks with materials-- but vanessa's looked like something you could have seen in a regular fashion show in NYC.
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From the interview and the reunion show it's obvious that she didn't have a very good experience with PR. If she had stayed longer would this have shown through? Mayber her and Jay* fighting would have provided the drama and W could have taken a back seat. It's interesting to guess what would have happened if certain people stayed and if certain people left.
* was Jay just mad about the article? It seemed to me that there was some back story there; maybe something happened between the two that we didn't see.
I think a good thing about JAy is that although he is funny and kind of scathing in his humor, he also is pretty professional underneath it all and is careful to try to keep the others from undermining the dignity of the show. vanessa, though, seems to be could have been the 'villain' as easily as wendy, and would have had better designs while doing so. maybe that is why they chose to frame wendy as the villain, rather than vanessa, so that we could all be so indignant that the villain hung around.
i like vanessa's stuff, but geez, her behavior really turned me off to her. even when she was on the show, her singing, etc always irritated me more than amused me.
ShuoHan
February 18, 2005 - 06:25 PM
Lisakaz-I have a lot of older clothes- from the victorian on through the 70's which were hand sewn. (Or home-made by sewing machine.) Though textiles were mass-produced starting around mid 1800's, much of the actual clothes making was done at home until relatively recently. Really, post-war (WWII). I remember having several friends whose mothers made all, most or at least some of their clothes (growing up in the 1980's in California's Bay Area).
Dressmakers have been there for the wealthy for some time, but the mass population has pretty much been left to its own devices. Thank god for sewing machines is all I can say after having to make historically accurate costumes by hand for pre-machine theatrical pieces.
The other thing having to do with older houses and closet space is that Armoirs used to contain clothes, not televisions. (Though, indeed, many people did not have much in the way of clothing in days of yore, due to the high cost of even mass-produced fabric and the time it takes to make things yourself.)
ericats
February 18, 2005 - 06:27 PM
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I haven't heard Wendy say anything remotely as vicious as the others have said about her.
Read what she has written on her website.
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Kara and Jay must be scared that Wendy will win or they would not have bad mouthed her.So, Wendy - YOU GO GIRL!
After having read at least five reviews of Wendy's collection at Fashion Week (wherein each one she got shredded), Kara and Jay have nothing to worry about.
birdaileen
February 18, 2005 - 06:29 PM
hey ericats,
i think all these belated "you go, wendy"-type posts must be coming from her friends or relatives. while i liked a few (a very few) of her designs, and while i think that she probably is portrayed a bit one-sidedly on the show, i think that it is asking a lot to believe that all these late Wendy Defendys are genuine.
d2000
February 18, 2005 - 06:33 PM
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I didn't originate this, but someone was talking about various staffers refusing to conduct interviews with Wendy. She supposedly tried to flirt with all of them and was more than a bit aggressive (according to those who opted out). Apparently some of the Bravo staffers were gorgeous males and a number of people present commented on this amongst themselves but Wendy did more than comment. Maybe a web search will have a story on it?
lk
I think the origin of this was Vanessa's popgurl interview...
d2000
February 18, 2005 - 06:40 PM
sorry for the above, i was a little behind on posts for a moment.
Did anyone think the whole interview/Vanessa thing on the reunion show seemed weird. I realize the "low talent" comment would have been hurtful...This is maybe awful to even throw out there, but the main defenders of the show were among the three finalists (in that conversation). Seems fishy to me, as much as i love Jay, seems prompted maybe. And Vanessa is notorious for telling the truth (to a fault even). Are we to think she suddenly started making things up?
ericats
February 18, 2005 - 06:45 PM
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hey ericats,
i think all these belated "you go, wendy"-type posts must be coming from her friends or relatives. while i liked a few (a very few) of her designs, and while i think that she probably is portrayed a bit one-sidedly on the show, i think that it is asking a lot to believe that all these late Wendy Defendys are genuine.
You know it's interesting but I noticed that after the reunion show W started getting so much more support from new posters. I was surprised to find that a lot of the new posters really liked the way W presented herself on the reunion show.
Previous to reading what she wrote on her website, I always gave her the benefit of the doubt about how she was portrayed on the show. I always said that I thought she had been edited to look far worse than she really is. Then I read her website and changed my mind. And then I saw the reunion show and she (in my opinion) came off as a sociopath.
It's just weird how she's so honest and truly competitive when she trashes (her words) others but when she's called on it by say Kara and Jay, Kara and Jay are labeled as evil. Why aren't they considered honest and competitive?
Chinchilla3
February 18, 2005 - 06:49 PM
While reading through some blogs, I found this and thought it was kind of funny.
"Poor Wendy! I felt bad for the judge from the post office, because they made her wear her sad little uniform, like she wears it all the time or something. Mean! I think Heidi Klum drew the mustache on the kid."
birdaileen
February 18, 2005 - 06:49 PM
i think that she is truthful insofar as she tells what she perceived, and thus what is truthful in terms of her own experience. however, this is not to say that the way she saw the show and the experience is the same as it was for the others.
for example, she speaks very unhappily about heidi klum, whereas austin in his post-elimination outside interview with the advocate speaks highly of her.
i thought her comment in the reunion epi, that the final three should be "me, kevin and alexandria" was fine, because that is what she thought, and the question posed was "who do you think should have been the final three", but i disliked the tone with which she said it-- she said it as if the whole show was a hoax because what she thought was not what the judges ultimately thought. this, to me, was the hurtful part, because she was unwilling to accept that others might have deserved it in their own ways, even if she did not agree.
it may have been true that her 'top three' were more experienced, but that does not mean that they were the best. some things are innate, and cannot be learned.
birdaileen
February 18, 2005 - 06:54 PM
sorry for the pronous vagueness-- this is about vanessa.
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i think that she is truthful insofar as she tells what she perceived, and thus what is truthful in terms of her own experience. however, this is not to say that the way she saw the show and the experience is the same as it was for the others.
for example, she speaks very unhappily about heidi klum, whereas austin in his post-elimination outside interview with the advocate speaks highly of her.
i thought her comment in the reunion epi, that the final three should be "me, kevin and alexandria" was fine, because that is what she thought, and the question posed was "who do you think should have been the final three", but i disliked the tone with which she said it-- she said it as if the whole show was a hoax because what she thought was not what the judges ultimately thought. this, to me, was the hurtful part, because she was unwilling to accept that others might have deserved it in their own ways, even if she did not agree.
it may have been true that her 'top three' were more experienced, but that does not mean that they were the best. some things are innate, and cannot be learned.
nabakov5
February 18, 2005 - 07:03 PM
this is a little blurb off of theonion.com...thought you guys might get a giggle out of it....gotta love the fake news...the headline reads
Designers Opt to Stick with Last Year's Fashions:
NEW YORK—The buzz around the 2005 Spring Fashion Week was "status quo," as top designers like Marc Jacobs and Oscar de la Renta chose to repeat their lines from 2004. "This spring is all about consistency," said Jacobs, who reintroduced a collection of gray and black slouchy long skirts. "We came out with a lot of great clothes last year, so we're gonna stick with those." Donna Karan agreed that "introducing a new look is a relic of the 20th century."
lol
birdaileen
February 18, 2005 - 07:12 PM
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You know it's interesting but I noticed that after the reunion show W started getting so much more support from new posters. I was surprised to find that a lot of the new posters really liked the way W presented herself on the reunion show.
yeah i noticed that too-- i thought she came off robotic and cold. i think the bitter drunkeness of vanessa may have made wendy look ok by comparison??
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Previous to reading what she wrote on her website, I always gave her the benefit of the doubt about how she was portrayed on the show. I always said that I thought she had been edited to look far worse than she really is. Then I read her website and changed my mind. And then I saw the reunion show and she (in my opinion) came off as a sociopath.
haha, her website is kind of scary.
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It's just weird how she's so honest and truly competitive when she trashes (her words) others but when she's called on it by say Kara and Jay, Kara and Jay are labeled as evil. Why aren't they considered honest and competitive?
yeah, i definitely think she shouldnt dish it out and not take it.
i try to magnanimous (sp?) about her since it is a TV show, but i do agree with all of your points.
artbysteverozic
February 18, 2005 - 07:15 PM
In reference to being a good designer, I agree that Wendy had every right to talk to Nancy about her desires. A good designer can meet both the needs of a client and inject a good dose of original ideas. Surprising as it may seem, most people are not into wearing something that take a user manual to get into and out of!!!
Gherk
February 18, 2005 - 07:16 PM
Anyone seen ebay lately? I was searching around for articles about the show, and came across this:
http://www.tourbus.com/project-runway-news.htmlIf you scroll down, you'll see some very interesting things for sale on ebay. Sorry to all the Wendy Defendy's . . . .
oscar
February 18, 2005 - 07:27 PM
Well - - the producers sure knew what they were doing when they brought Wendy into the game.
GAWD!!! Without Wendy - - this thread might have - um let's see - maybe 10 pages???
supagirl
February 18, 2005 - 07:30 PM
I was amused to see the numbered limited-edition Wendy Banana Republic dresses up for auction (and why wasn't I surprised?) but I shrieked when I saw the Wendy voodoo doll! Too funny!
MelindaSky
February 18, 2005 - 07:40 PM
First post; trying to figure out the boards; what's UBBCode?
The judges tried HARD to steer Nancy away from Wendy's design. Bad form! I'm glad Nancy wasn't swayed. IMO, Wendy won that challenge fair and square. I loved the dress as it was. I wouldn't change the skirt (if I had Nancy's body, that is). <g>
I'm sorry Austin didn't make the final three. I love him and his designs, but his design doomed him. While making it, he said, "I'm in my element, making an evening gown." Ack! That wasn't the challenge!
I'm disappointed Jay made the final three instead of Austin. I don't like Jay's designs (except the 'Chrysler Building'). And I couldn't tolerate the things he said behind their backs. I wonder if that's why Austin didn't greet him warmly when the designers got back together. Maybe Austin had heard the MANY negative things Jay said about him.
Kara Saun deserved to win for her talent, but I'm not thrilled with her attitude either. With her abundant talent, why badmouth Wendy?
The way the three of them ganged up on Wendy, it was like gang warfare. I was glad Robio was there when Wendy won, because none of the others wanted to congratulate her, hug her, or celebrate with her. Bad form.
I look forward to the show with their collections. But from some of the threads I've read, it seems the designs are available for viewing online. Where? And what is Wendy Pepper' website address? I googled but didn't find it.
And no, I'm not related to Wendy. But I can relate to being a late bloomer who wants to pursue a dream. I believe Kara Saun will win hands-down, but in my heart, I'm rooting for Wendy.
Please call me Mel. Ciao.
love34
February 18, 2005 - 07:51 PM
i thought the same thing vanessa seemed bitter, very much like a sore loser. She took herself out of the race, and is probably angry at herself for it. She wouldn't have made it to the final 3 anyway. as she is unable to finish her garments quickly.
snoops
February 18, 2005 - 08:07 PM
Hi lk,
Loved Austin's interview! He gets "PR", by which I mean public relations. Just gets it. So does Jay, without giving up who he is. Also, I have to say Kara gets it too; she seems to get "the trade."
by the way, what kind of history do you study/teach?
snoops
February 18, 2005 - 08:10 PM
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I didn't originate this, but someone was talking about various staffers refusing to conduct interviews with Wendy. She supposedly tried to flirt with all of them and was more than a bit aggressive (according to those who opted out). Apparently some of the Bravo staffers were gorgeous males and a number of people present commented on this amongst themselves but Wendy did more than comment. Maybe a web search will have a story on it?
lk
i believe the origin of the story is from Vanessa's popgurls.com interview, because she was saying how gorgeous the producers/crew were and it was done on purpose to keep the designers off-balance a bit. I work in the film industry, and although it's fun to see yourself surrounded by gorgeous people, I've never "casted" a video crew quite in that manner!
snoops
February 18, 2005 - 08:20 PM
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It's just weird how she's so honest and truly competitive when she trashes (her words) others but when she's called on it by say Kara and Jay, Kara and Jay are labeled as evil. Why aren't they considered honest and competitive?
My point exactly. Although I thought Vanessa did seem bitter about the entire experience, she is incredibly honest, to a fault! She's the only one who would talk about behind-the-scenes stuff. I don't think she meant to insult the other designers or their caliber, she just had a different perception of the show. Perhaps she assumed everyone would have been designing for over 10 years in the biz or something, and that the challenges wouldn't be like school projects, but more like real-world challenges (i.e. designing a line of clothing vs. gimmicky stuff).
So, I too, am surprised that although other designers speak of the truth for themselves, they are called jealous "kids" whereas Wendy's backstabbing ways appear to be the very epitome of honesty. What gives? What show are you guys watching? I wish we could all be in the same room and watch the marathon and see what discussions are fostered!
lisakaz
February 18, 2005 - 08:20 PM
PhD in Modern European history, specifically Britain.
lk
snoops
February 18, 2005 - 08:24 PM
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First post; trying to figure out the boards; what's UBBCode?
The judges tried HARD to steer Nancy away from Wendy's design. Bad form! I'm glad Nancy wasn't swayed. IMO, Wendy won that challenge fair and square. I loved the dress as it was. I wouldn't change the skirt (if I had Nancy's body, that is). <g>
I'm sorry Austin didn't make the final three. I love him and his designs, but his design doomed him. While making it, he said, "I'm in my element, making an evening gown." Ack! That wasn't the challenge!
I'm disappointed Jay made the final three instead of Austin. I don't like Jay's designs (except the 'Chrysler Building'). And I couldn't tolerate the things he said behind their backs. I wonder if that's why Austin didn't greet him warmly when the designers got back together. Maybe Austin had heard the MANY negative things Jay said about him.
Kara Saun deserved to win for her talent, but I'm not thrilled with her attitude either. With her abundant talent, why badmouth Wendy?
The way the three of them ganged up on Wendy, it was like gang warfare. I was glad Robio was there when Wendy won, because none of the others wanted to congratulate her, hug her, or celebrate with her. Bad form.
I look forward to the show with their collections. But from some of the threads I've read, it seems the designs are available for viewing online. Where? And what is Wendy Pepper' website address? I googled but didn't find it.
And no, I'm not related to Wendy. But I can relate to being a late bloomer who wants to pursue a dream. I believe Kara Saun will win hands-down, but in my heart, I'm rooting for Wendy.
Please call me Mel. Ciao.
yeah, but they all actually had to live with Wendy.
MelindaSky
February 18, 2005 - 08:27 PM
< THESE ARE THE RULES: The series will begin with the selection of these twelve amateur designers who will compete week-to-week on design challenges. >
I was surprised to learn that most (if not all) of the designers had prior design experience. If I recall correctly, KS had the most experience (over 10 years). That's hardly what I'd call a group of "amateurs."
Of course, true amateurs couldn't hold our attention. I love the show (I watched it and taped LOST!) and hope there is another one.
Mel
notevayas
February 18, 2005 - 08:32 PM
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sorry for the above, i was a little behind on posts for a moment.
Did anyone think the whole interview/Vanessa thing on the reunion show seemed weird. I realize the "low talent" comment would have been hurtful...This is maybe awful to even throw out there, but the main defenders of the show were among the three finalists (in that conversation). Seems fishy to me, as much as i love Jay, seems prompted maybe. And Vanessa is notorious for telling the truth (to a fault even). Are we to think she suddenly started making things up?
In Vino Veritas. I think that the reunion goers were plied with drink to loosen their tongues, as they were so used to drinking together after the manufactured stress of their hectic days during "Project Drunkway".
I am not defending Vanessa's interview as I have not read it but from what Nora said on the reunion show, I believe that it was a mistake on Vanessa's part. I still like Vanessa. I like my favorites flawed. Vanessa's poor showing on the Runway show embarrassed her and the interview was an attempt to distance herself from the "reality show" aspect that was becoming increasingly obvious to all of us at that time.
It is conceivable that at the outset, most of the designers believed that they were participating in a genuine design contest. Instead they were housed close together and put through chaotic days with strange challenges and unreal time constraints with the cameras ever present. It is understandable that after Vanessa's pride was hurt that she lashed out at the show, but that does not mean that her allegations were false.
And just because Jay's and Kara Saun's comments served their interests, doesn't mean that they were scripted either. Both have put much effort into their wins and it must gall them to have their efforts labeled as not worth much.
The designer I particularly listened to was Nora, who had nothing to gain. She even made reference to the fact that she was depicted as an emotional basket case "all over the internet", but that she believed that they should 'own' their decisions to appear on the show in the first place. And from the way she and even little Starr spoke, I can see as to where many of our posts about them were based on smoke and mirrors.
If you want to talk about prompted and self-serving remarks, the prize for that went to the teen model Melissa who parroted back the official line on model Morgan. I am so disappointed that we didn't get to see Morgan at the reunion, but from the way the Producers trashed her in the montage, it was just as well our last impression wasn't that of an angry Morgan being trashed to her face by the slanted video of herself and the lectures that would have been given her, well-meaning and otherwise.
Austin and Kevin both gave the impression of knowing much more than they felt it in their best interests to say..
KAMC
February 18, 2005 - 08:46 PM
I think the designers are using Wendy as a scapegoat. During the Grammy design competition, I was apalled by the poor behavior of Kara Saun. I didn't understand her "helping" Jay. It was not a team competition. Plus, it ended up hurting him because it was not the appropriate color. I'm also tired of her and Jay's "soul" comments. It seemed like she needed to jab at anyone who didn't kiss butt. It makes for good drama, but in an annoying way. Her designs are not original. I like Jay's designs the best. I like his attention to detail. Though his Grammy top was rather "dowdy". It didn't look like his sketch.
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