KAMC
February 18, 2005 - 08:53 PM
I agree with other posts that Austin was a hypocrite! He eliminated Vanessa because he viewed her as a threat. Plus, she steals his high drama scenes!
lafcadio
February 18, 2005 - 09:04 PM
Let's keep in mind that the reunion show is the first time all the designers got together since the taping. They all have seen the episodes and for the first time seen Wendy's conniving ways as revealed in her interviews. Many of them would be shocked how double faced Wendy really is. It was the confrontation that Bravo had built up to and if it seemed like they all ganged up on her well that's only natural.
DoloresHaze
February 18, 2005 - 09:07 PM
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Austin and Kevin both gave the impression of knowing much more than they felt it in their best interests to say..
I completely agree.
Dignity, always dignity.
JamieC
February 18, 2005 - 09:13 PM
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Let's keep in mind that the reunion show is the first time all the designers got together since the taping. They all have seen the episodes and for the first time seen Wendy's conniving ways as revealed in her interviews. Many of them would be shocked how double faced Wendy really is. It was the confrontation that Bravo had built up to and if it seemed like they all ganged up on her well that's only natural.
AMEN!!
Allison
February 18, 2005 - 09:18 PM
I love Jay so much.... I would love to hang out with him. He is so awesome and I would like to talk to him, so if you get this Jay please write back with some of your funny insight!!! Love ya , Allie
notevayas
February 18, 2005 - 09:32 PM
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hey ericats,
i think all these belated "you go, wendy"-type posts must be coming from her friends or relatives. while i liked a few (a very few) of her designs, and while i think that she probably is portrayed a bit one-sidedly on the show, i think that it is asking a lot to believe that all these late Wendy Defendys are genuine.
Has anyone considered that some of the posts defending Wendy or dissing Austin might be "plants" the way that some of us have had suspicion that Wendy herself was a plant, or perhaps are written by people working for the show in the way that Austin was asked to function as a decoy for Project Runway during Fashion Week?
Back when the Bravo "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" board was a vibrant board like this one and not the shallow pajama party it is now, we occasionally had anti-Jai or anti-QE posts that stirred up a bit of excitement for a few days.. and I often wondered if they were genuine or planted by the moderators. Is that a feature of some boards that some posts are "planted" to stir up controversy and/or interest?
notevayas
Also, does anyone know if Carson Kressley is a judge on the final Project Runway? Bravo shows photos of him sitting front row in the audience at Fashion Week. And if anyone is interested in a pretty, but so far sleepy site that has Private Messaging Yaaaaaaaaay! come to
CARSONKRESSLEY.COM when Runway ends. You can also post photos and direct links there.
goddessamelia
February 18, 2005 - 09:57 PM
I loved episode 10! It was great to see Wendy squirm a bit. It sucked that nobody would fess up to the photo drawing or that it wasnt filmed. I was sure that it would be cleared up. Damn, I hate it when Im wrong! My friend thinks is Austin but I think it was somebody from the crew.
kitkit
February 18, 2005 - 10:43 PM
I thought there would be one of these sooner:
http://quizilla.com/users/marmalady/quizzes
/Which%20Project%20Runway%20designer%20are%20you%3F/
I'm Jay apparently!
lisakaz
February 18, 2005 - 11:34 PM
I just took it. I'm a bit surprised. I'm NORA! Wow. But I never woulda made that wedding dress...
lk
birdaileen
February 18, 2005 - 11:38 PM
ah, im alexandra! who'd have thunk it?
though some of the questions were pretty transparent if you are totally obsessed with the show... haha
Godiva
February 18, 2005 - 11:38 PM
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The way the three of them ganged up on Wendy, it was like gang warfare. I was glad Robio was there when Wendy won, because none of the others wanted to congratulate her, hug her, or celebrate with her. Bad form.
Did you notice how Wendy distanced herself from them? When they all met in the morning they called for her to join them but she wasn't ready or some such. She was already separating herself from them. Wendy took the competition to the Survivor/Apprentice level on her own. The others, while competing never let it eat them alive. They remained congenial, collaborative, supportive and genial. It *would* take a saint to endure some of Wendy's behavior (and I don't believe we saw it all, remember they *lived* with her) and not react to it. There gets to be a breaking point when even a mature, "nice" person has to say something. I think it boils down to confidence and self esteem. Jay, Austin and Kara are secure with their talents. They don't need to blow someone else's candle out to make their own burn brighter. I think any one of them would have reacted to being eliminated as Austin did. It's not the end of the world. I don't think we've heard the last of any one of them. Wendy on the other hand.....well, I'm sure K-Mart is in need of designers.
(I look forward to Kara designed for Oprah and Austin doing an Oscar dress. In fact, I'd watch the Oscars just to hear one of the celebrities say "I'm wearing Austin Scarlett" I think Jay is highly marketable and has the personality and business sense to succeed as well. His clothing is too young and contemporary for me, but I'd wear some of Kara Saun's stuff. I only wish I had the figure for Austin's creations.)
lisakaz
February 18, 2005 - 11:47 PM
Trying to be funny? You clearly did not see how upset he was after her elimination.
lk
goddessamelia
February 18, 2005 - 11:49 PM
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Im Daniel! ewwwwwwwwwwww!
I dont like this quiz!!!
Godiva
February 18, 2005 - 11:51 PM
I'm Kara. Although some of the answers I would have given weren't listed as choices.
MissingPR
February 19, 2005 - 05:59 AM
I'm Kevin lol. Actually, probably pretty right on:
"You are KEVIN! A definite introvert, you work best when you work alone. And you totally drew that mustache on Wendy's picture!"
Too funny!
supagirl
February 19, 2005 - 07:04 AM
I'm ROB!! How did that happen? I didn't even choose "ripped jeans." Well, at least I'm charming and lovable, if questionably talented. Hmph.
PoohBear66
February 19, 2005 - 07:18 AM
I'm Starr - timid but passionate, with a vision I want to show the world. . . Well, the timid part is right, and the passionate part is right. I'm not sure about the vision tho. . . and if I did, the world probably wouldn't be ready for it!
MissingPR
February 19, 2005 - 08:43 AM
Hmmmmm....anyone else noticing a somewhat "alphabetic" trend here? My bet is that if no-one else but someone from here takes the test and posts, the next personality will be, what, Vanessa? *phooey*
GuensMom
February 19, 2005 - 10:10 AM
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hey ericats,
i think all these belated "you go, wendy"-type posts must be coming from her friends or relatives. while i liked a few (a very few) of her designs, and while i think that she probably is portrayed a bit one-sidedly on the show, i think that it is asking a lot to believe that all these late Wendy Defendys are genuine.
Yup, and half the country was appalled that George Bush won the last presidential election. They couldn't believe it either.
Does that mean you think he's related to all the people who voted for him? <veg>
birdaileen
February 19, 2005 - 10:10 AM
so my email was accepted by wendy pepper and i got a reply from her. i only asked if she might comment on epi 10 on her website and what her future plans were. she said she is going to launch an online boutique to sell her stuff, including variations on her PR designs.
she isn't my fave, and i think her behavior is very... off-putting, but interesting to actually hear from her as a real person!
her letter was very polite-- 'thanks for taking the time to write..." etc.
once things get a real, 'human' feel to them, it is harder to be so negative =)
but JAY IS NUMBER ONE!
Chinchilla3
February 19, 2005 - 10:10 AM
I was looking through the E! website and I saw him on the Fashion Police part! He was in his pilgrim or whatever-the-hell-that-was outfit. He looks so sad or something! Remember, all publicity is good publicity!
http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Fashion/Arch...12,1240,00.html
birdaileen
February 19, 2005 - 10:12 AM
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hey ericats,
i think all these belated "you go, wendy"-type posts must be coming from her friends or relatives. while i liked a few (a very few) of her designs, and while i think that she probably is portrayed a bit one-sidedly on the show, i think that it is asking a lot to believe that all these late Wendy Defendys are genuine.
Yup, and half the country was appalled that George Bush won the last presidential election. They couldn't believe it either.
Does that mean you think he's related to all the people who voted for him? <veg>
this is hardly the board to discuss this, but it probably had to do with the massive disenfranchisement going on in the south.
birdaileen
February 19, 2005 - 10:17 AM
haha, i think he looks cute. but sigh, i guess not everyone understands that normal fashion rules don't apply to him!
ericats
February 19, 2005 - 10:23 AM
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I thought there would be one of these sooner:
http://quizilla.com/users/marmalady/quizzes
/Which%20Project%20Runway%20designer%20are%20you%3F/
I'm Starr!
GuensMom
February 19, 2005 - 10:25 AM
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hey ericats,
i think all these belated "you go, wendy"-type posts must be coming from her friends or relatives. while i liked a few (a very few) of her designs, and while i think that she probably is portrayed a bit one-sidedly on the show, i think that it is asking a lot to believe that all these late Wendy Defendys are genuine.
You know it's interesting but I noticed that after the reunion show W started getting so much more support from new posters. I was surprised to find that a lot of the new posters really liked the way W presented herself on the reunion show.
Previous to reading what she wrote on her website, I always gave her the benefit of the doubt about how she was portrayed on the show. I always said that I thought she had been edited to look far worse than she really is. Then I read her website and changed my mind. And then I saw the reunion show and she (in my opinion) came off as a sociopath.
It's just weird how she's so honest and truly competitive when she trashes (her words) others but when she's called on it by say Kara and Jay, Kara and Jay are labeled as evil. Why aren't they considered honest and competitive?
As one of the people who has been reading the boards for a lot longer than posting on them, I will only say that the tone of the anti-Wendy comments was *such* a turn-off that I had no desire to participate on the boards at all. I finally came to the point where I felt that someone - with some perspective, for Pete's sake - needed to stand for objectivity, if nothing else.
I don't consider myself a defender of Wendy - just someone a little further down the path of life who sees the outline of what she's up against (internally and externally) more clearly than the 20- and 30-somethings on and off the show.
And of the *rational* posts indicating some support of Wendy, I haven't seen (maybe I just missed it) anyone calling Kara Saun or Jay "evil." Hmmm, maybe I just answered my own question with that.
BoyzMom
February 19, 2005 - 10:30 AM
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I thought there would be one of these sooner:
http://quizilla.com/users/marmalady/quizzes
/Which%20Project%20Runway%20designer%20are%20you%3F/
I'm Starr!
Completely shocked - I'm Jay. WOOHOO!!
Twitchly
February 19, 2005 - 10:33 AM
OK, I took the quiz and kept coming up as Jay, Kara, or Wendy. Too funny! I love the photo of Wendy that they use. I really do suspect she's a plant; look at the photos of her on her page on this site. She really does look like Cruella deVille, with the evil look and chewing on the scissors. I'd love to think she's just a really great actress rather than a sociopath.
I've got to say, I don't watch much TV but this show has been a blast from start to almost-finish. No idea if I'll ever watch another round of it (especially not if they play up the whole Survivor angle with another sociopath), but with the exception of last week's flat little therapy session, it has been unfailingly innovative. I hope next week's finale showcases the fashion shows and the designers themselves and downplays the whole Horrible Wendy thing, which is getting old.
janeorama
February 19, 2005 - 10:38 AM
Interesting...I'm Kara Saun! I'd have guessed I'm a bit more high maintainence than she is. Cool survey!
birdaileen
February 19, 2005 - 10:42 AM
i keep taking it and slightly changing my answers (so that they are still true, but different) and i keep getting alexandra!!! haha, but i am not that shy!
GuensMom
February 19, 2005 - 10:48 AM
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Yup, and half the country was appalled that George Bush won the last presidential election. They couldn't believe it either.
Does that mean you think he's related to all the people who voted for him? <veg>
this is hardly the board to discuss this, but it probably had to do with the massive disenfranchisement going on in the south.
<sigh> My attempt at irony went astray.
If the original poster believed that the only way someone would support Wendy would be to either be a personal friend or relative, and is unwilling to believe that anyone else with Internet and cable or satellite TV access would do so, then it indicates that the same person would believe the same about anything else in pop culture (including a presidential election).
It's the same kind of short-sightedness that has a good chunk of the country squalling, "What happened???!?" after the last election. And the answer is real simple - I exist. I vote. And I am not alone.
It continues to amaze me that the people who trash Wendy and her designs unabashedly seem to think that, not only are they "right", but that anyone who expresses a different viewpoint is a "plant" or a fraud in some way. Can we spell "diversity"?
ericats
February 19, 2005 - 10:49 AM
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I don't consider myself a defender of Wendy - just someone a little further down the path of life who sees the outline of what she's up against (internally and externally) more clearly than the 20- and 30-somethings on and off the show.
I'm Wendy's age and I don't think Wendy was at a disavantage because of her age(I've read that Vera Wang started her own line in her late 30s). Also, Kara was 37 when Wendy was 39 (she went from 39 to 40 on the show), Kevin was listed at being 44 and 34 (so he might really be in his 40s), and Vanessa was 35.
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And of the *rational* posts indicating some support of Wendy, I haven't seen (maybe I just missed it) anyone calling Kara Saun or Jay "evil." Hmmm, maybe I just answered my own question with that.
Not only I have seen Kara and Jay called evil in a post or two (that's why I used the term in my post) but I've also seen Kara called Saint Kara! But it was in a negative context.
BoyzMom
February 19, 2005 - 10:50 AM
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As one of the people who has been reading the boards for a lot longer than posting on them, I will only say that the tone of the anti-Wendy comments was *such* a turn-off that I had no desire to participate on the boards at all. I finally came to the point where I felt that someone - with some perspective, for Pete's sake - needed to stand for objectivity, if nothing else.
I don't consider myself a defender of Wendy - just someone a little further down the path of life who sees the outline of what she's up against (internally and externally) more clearly than the 20- and 30-somethings on and off the show.
And of the *rational* posts indicating some support of Wendy, I haven't seen (maybe I just missed it) anyone calling Kara Saun or Jay "evil." Hmmm, maybe I just answered my own question with that.
GuensMom, I agree with some of your points but I will say that I'm part of that demographic (a thirty-something mom) who is disappointed that this woman got there and chose to 'play the game' the way she did. As you put it, seeing what she is 'up against'. She could have just as easily gone in there and used her age and experience to her advantage instead of other, less attractive tactics. She became a caricature of a dowdy old housemarm who has to cheat and exploit others to get ahead. She's obviously had some success in the field (has her own shop and own collections) so why not go in there with the attitude that, 'yes, I have a lot of life experience and even though I was never formally educated in design I've still managed to do quite well for myself and am perfectly capable of handling these challenges and holding my own with a little dignity'. I even thought the funky hair and makeup was sort of cute at first.
I remember being happy for her when she won the BR challenge initially, thinking wow - she's a mom almost 40 and look at that! But her attitude and lack of design skill on the majority of the challenges (innovation, swimsuit and postal stood out the most to me) just made me want to kvetch every time I saw her. I think there are many like us (you have 'Mom' in your title too, ) who would have been just as addicted to the show with her as the 'underdog'.
On a different note, I think the 'therapy session' episode took place for the edification of Heidi Klum. The producers wanted to present a more sympathetic view of Wendy since, after all, the show's credibility took a huge hit with a number of people when she made it to Fashion Week. I think the whole Vanessa thing was to take some of the negative focus off Wendy (and Vanessa did herself no favors, unfortunately), and now the board is CRAMMED with 'pro-Wendy' messages and I can't even get through all the posts I love to read so much! Plus, I'm sure Heidi derived some satisfaction in seeing Vanessa embarrassed (even Tim was really harsh) after Vanessa's public comments both about the show in general and Heidi specifically. I also wonder if Ms. Klum is intimidated by Morgan because they sort of 'got back at her' in that show, too. (The agreement thing was dumb but there's probably a lot we didn't see. I wouldn't want to get on a stage and get ambushed (like Vanessa did) either.
Sorry for the long post! I'll conclude by saying that I have SO ENJOYED the posts of nycgal, purpledreamart, ThomsTeddyBear, ericats and angeedee. I can hardly find your posts anymore with all the traffic but they have been funny, eloquent and dead on IMHO.
Thanks!
janeorama
February 19, 2005 - 11:29 AM
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I agree with other posts that Austin was a hypocrite! He eliminated Vanessa because he viewed her as a threat. Plus, she steals his high drama scenes!
So who do you think should have been eliminated? He didn't have too many options, if you'll recall.
Chinchilla3
February 19, 2005 - 11:41 AM
Mr. Austin Scarlett's page is up! austinscarlett.com
JustTzujIt
February 19, 2005 - 11:48 AM
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I agree with other posts that Austin was a hypocrite! He eliminated Vanessa because he viewed her as a threat. Plus, she steals his high drama scenes!
So who do you think should have been eliminated? He didn't have too many options, if you'll recall.
I see Austin voting off Vanessa as the best choice. First of all, I highly doubt he had so much say in the judges' and producers' decision of who got eliminated, just as I don't believe Wendy affected the elimination of Kevin all too much. I think it was a good idea for Austin to 'turn the other cheek' and be higher than getting revenge at Wendy. Austin had a better reason to vote off Vanessa, even if they were friends, anyway: she didn't go along with his vision half as much as Wendy {claims she} tried to, and evidently, couldn't sew.
Somuchforthat
February 19, 2005 - 11:48 AM
I got to his homepage (and bookmarked it!) but I was unable to click on any of Austin's subpages to get in....maybe it's not finished yet?
love34
February 19, 2005 - 11:53 AM
i don't see how her age has anything to do with it. Wendy was the one who kept saying it was her last chance to prove herself. If that was true why didn't she take advantage of the exposure the show gave her to really show her talent, and experience instead of saying i am terrified of the runway show.
Thumbprint
February 19, 2005 - 12:07 PM
I'm also sick of the "soul" comments, gets old fast. Also, over-judgmental from one designer-competitor to another.
I'm still sad Austin was outed at the Grammy competition, but really -- Wendy's dress was the best choice. Jay's Grammy dress top was dowdy. Old 80s prom, AND the wrong color. Kara's had big baggy pants -- neither outfit suitable for a female interviewer who wants to look gorgeous but not showy. O'Dell HAD to want to wear Austin's dress, it was just too showy for her role. Austin's manipulation of fabric is sheer genius. Even his cornhusk dress from the first episode is gorgeous. Will be fun to watch for his styles in the next few years.
snoops
February 19, 2005 - 12:09 PM
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sorry for the above, i was a little behind on posts for a moment.
Did anyone think the whole interview/Vanessa thing on the reunion show seemed weird. I realize the "low talent" comment would have been hurtful...This is maybe awful to even throw out there, but the main defenders of the show were among the three finalists (in that conversation). Seems fishy to me, as much as i love Jay, seems prompted maybe. And Vanessa is notorious for telling the truth (to a fault even). Are we to think she suddenly started making things up?
I think Vanessa is just painfully honest. The popgurls.com article did reveal a lot more about PR than it did about Vanessa. I am shocked that PR didn't pay for the plane tickets or provide much comfort for the designers on the out-set. I don't think Vanessa would have lied about something like that. Paying for plane fares and transpo and providing a per diem, are part of the courtesy of the film business. I work for a rinky-dink production company, and we even try to pay for people's plane tickets with our mini-budgets. It's just a standard fact, that if a company needs you to come out, they should be able to pay the way to do so.
Loomchick
February 19, 2005 - 12:39 PM
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I thought there would be one of these sooner:
http://quizilla.com/users/marmalady/quizzes
/Which%20Project%20Runway%20designer%20are%20you%3F/
OMFG!!! I'm Wendy???!!! **sinks into pit of despair and depression**
MissingPR
February 19, 2005 - 12:57 PM
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As one of the people who has been reading the boards for a lot longer than posting on them, I will only say that the tone of the anti-Wendy comments was *such* a turn-off that I had no desire to participate on the boards at all. I finally came to the point where I felt that someone - with some perspective, for Pete's sake - needed to stand for objectivity, if nothing else.
I don't consider myself a defender of Wendy - just someone a little further down the path of life who sees the outline of what she's up against (internally and externally) more clearly than the 20- and 30-somethings on and off the show.
And of the *rational* posts indicating some support of Wendy, I haven't seen (maybe I just missed it) anyone calling Kara Saun or Jay "evil." Hmmm, maybe I just answered my own question with that.
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GuensMom, I agree with some of your points but I will say that I'm part of that demographic (a thirty-something mom) who is disappointed that this woman got there and chose to 'play the game' the way she did. As you put it, seeing what she is 'up against'. She could have just as easily gone in there and used her age and experience to her advantage instead of other, less attractive tactics. She became a caricature of a dowdy old housemarm who has to cheat and exploit others to get ahead. She's obviously had some success in the field (has her own shop and own collections) so why not go in there with the attitude that, 'yes, I have a lot of life experience and even though I was never formally educated in design I've still managed to do quite well for myself and am perfectly capable of handling these challenges and holding my own with a little dignity'. I even thought the funky hair and makeup was sort of cute at first.
Amen!!! As a forty something mom...okay, I'm going to be 46 in a few months lol...I was so dissappointed that she had to demean herself (and the rest of us!) by resorting to the tactics she did. That even if she was as insecure as she said she was, she could have handled them with sooooo much more dignity befitting her age and all. I mean come on Wendy...your last chance? You ain't dead yet, honey lol.
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Sorry for the long post! I'll conclude by saying that I have SO ENJOYED the posts of nycgal, purpledreamart, ThomsTeddyBear, ericats and angeedee. I can hardly find your posts anymore with all the traffic but they have been funny, eloquent and dead on IMHO.
Thanks!
And hey, thanks! Right back atcha.
notevayas
February 19, 2005 - 01:06 PM
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Yup, and half the country was appalled that George Bush won the last presidential election. They couldn't believe it either.
Does that mean you think he's related to all the people who voted for him? <veg>
this is hardly the board to discuss this, but it probably had to do with the massive disenfranchisement going on in the south.
<sigh> My attempt at irony went astray.
If the original poster believed that the only way someone would support Wendy would be to either be a personal friend or relative, and is unwilling to believe that anyone else with Internet and cable or satellite TV access would do so, then it indicates that the same person would believe the same about anything else in pop culture (including a presidential election).
It's the same kind of short-sightedness that has a good chunk of the country squalling, "What happened???!?" after the last election. And the answer is real simple - I exist. I vote. And I am not alone.
It continues to amaze me that the people who trash Wendy and her designs unabashedly seem to think that, not only are they "right", but that anyone who expresses a different viewpoint is a "plant" or a fraud in some way. Can we spell "diversity"?
I find it interesting that you likened the surprise and dismay that Wendy was chosen over other designers whose garments were not considered dowdy (the matronly postal uniform and the 2050 yarn draggle dress) and did not fall apart on the runway or were incomplete (the candy barely-there outfit or the 1/2 swimsuit) to the surprise and dismay many of us felt after the last presidential election. If you are a Republican, you should state so plainly so that you will not be misunderstood. Stand up and say proudly, I am a Republican for Wendy Pepper! You could start a club. I have no first hand knowledge, but I wouldn't be surprised if Wendy does not share your politics. She may even have political ambitions. And I think Wendy would be an excellent politician! I wouldn't vote for her of course, but at least she would be among her ethical peers for the most part.
Am I being unclear as well?
notevayas
P.S. I agree with the part of your post that I highlighted. Indeed you are not alone. And even if you were you have every right to your opinion. But when I first moved to Massachusetts I remember asking my (Republican)lover about all these bumper stickers that said "We Are Everywhere." He laughed and said that he was living proof of the veracity of that statement.
So Long Live Diversity!
MissingPR
February 19, 2005 - 01:11 PM
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I thought there would be one of these sooner:
http://quizilla.com/users/marmalady/quizzes
/Which%20Project%20Runway%20designer%20are%20you%3F/
OMFG!!! I'm Wendy???!!! **sinks into pit of despair and depression**
You have my sympathies. It was my biggest fear when taking the test lol.
MissingPR
February 19, 2005 - 01:17 PM
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Yup, and half the country was appalled that George Bush won the last presidential election. They couldn't believe it either.
Does that mean you think he's related to all the people who voted for him? <veg>
this is hardly the board to discuss this, but it probably had to do with the massive disenfranchisement going on in the south.
<sigh> My attempt at irony went astray.
If the original poster believed that the only way someone would support Wendy would be to either be a personal friend or relative, and is unwilling to believe that anyone else with Internet and cable or satellite TV access would do so, then it indicates that the same person would believe the same about anything else in pop culture (including a presidential election).
It's the same kind of short-sightedness that has a good chunk of the country squalling, "What happened???!?" after the last election. And the answer is real simple - I exist. I vote. And I am not alone.
It continues to amaze me that the people who trash Wendy and her designs unabashedly seem to think that, not only are they "right", but that anyone who expresses a different viewpoint is a "plant" or a fraud in some way. Can we spell "diversity"?
I find it interesting that you likened the surprise and dismay that Wendy was chosen over other designers whose garments were not considered dowdy (the matronly postal uniform and the 2050 yarn draggle dress) and did not fall apart on the runway or were incomplete (the candy barely-there outfit or the 1/2 swimsuit) to the surprise and dismay many of us felt after the last presidential election. If you are a Republican, you should state so plainly so that you will not be misunderstood. Stand up and say proudly, I am a Republican for Wendy Pepper! You could start a club. I have no first hand knowledge, but I wouldn't be surprised if Wendy does not share your politics. She may even have political ambitions. And I think Wendy would be an excellent politician! I wouldn't vote for her of course, but at least she would be among her ethical peers for the most part.
Am I being unclear as well?
notevayas
P.S. I agree with the part of your post that I highlighted. Indeed you are not alone. And even if you were you have every right to your opinion. But when I first moved to Massachusetts I remember asking my (Republican)lover about all these bumper stickers that said "We Are Everywhere." He laughed and said that he was living proof of the veracity of that statement.
So Long Live Diversity!
Hey! My eight year old daughter likes Wendy, and her clothes, and she thinks the others are being mean to her for no reason. She also thinks Austin looks like Prince Charming lol. Sorry. *ducks*
notevayas
February 19, 2005 - 01:54 PM
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Hey! My eight year old daughter likes Wendy, and her clothes, and she thinks the others are being mean to her for no reason. She also thinks Austin looks like Prince Charming lol. Sorry. *ducks*
I'm sorry too. I'd hate to think that Prince Charming will be off-limits to some children the way SpongeBob SquarePants is, and Harry Potter and I believe Winnie the Pooh also (he doesn't wear pants you see..)
I remember enjoying Cinderella and The Little Mermaid, and even though Prince Charming did wear his tights a little tight, I never noticed at that age. I don't think. But who knows? Maybe I could sue Disney for influencing my sexuality? I'm not complaining. I don't envy straight guys, but I'm still mad at Disney for their shenanigans with Michael Moore's film Farenheit 9/11. So, do you know a good Republican lawyer who will take my case? Nepotism and all that..
notevayas
p.s. I think it is sweet that your 8 year old daughter watches the show, and cares about people not being mean. Honest and true! Innocence is beautiful! I can only pray that Wendy and her family have sheltered her child from the fallout from her reputation (deserved or not) from the show. I have vivid memories of just how cruel kids can be. I hope she is not one of those people who pushes her kid into the spotlight to justify herself or gain sympathy!
I don't mind you calling me "ducks" because ducks are cool. They mate for life. And Wendy's feather-butt Grammy dress looked ducky also, though the feathers were removed, the straps were redone, the hem of the top and the skirt were redone.. before it ever saw the tv cameras. And this was the dress that decided Fashion Week??
Duck .. Duck .. GOOSE!
eclectic
February 19, 2005 - 01:55 PM
I just now read your post and love everything you said! I checked out Vanessa's website (vanessariley.com) and I love the originality and diversity of her work. Wendy's is so banal and contrived. On the show, her work is like "coloring in the lines." There is very little originality and nothing really stands out. I did like her wedding dress a lot but that is the only one! Even the BR dress loked like patterns I saw forty years ago! (Guess that dates me!) Anyway, I, too, would love to see more of Kevin's work especially as well as Nora's, Alexandra's, and Vanessa's. I also agree with you about Starr. She had a vision even though no one seemed to like it. I did! She was out there and so original. I also liked Austin's wedding dress. I don't understand why stuff has to look conventional. I thought it was actually stunning. I loved the color and the design. He bowed to a train . . . we talk about wanting originality, when we get it we don't like it! Not my way all. As for the BR dress that won for Wendy, I was rooting for Alexandra's because I thought her's to be more original. And it was gorgeous and would work for so many body styles. I love Kara Saun's work and I love Jay's work. I've looked several times at Jay's FW collection and I didn't think much of it at first. But, I've looked at it and analyzed it top, bottom and outer wrap and I can see it on just about anybody who likes a "look." I think it really works. Re Austin, he is so young and I am totally impressed with his kindness, self-discipline in his interactions with the others, and his gorgeous fashions. He will diversify and learn to hold back a little with experience. Better to be an original with great haute coutre ideas that a copier with limited vision. I think he will go far! I heard Kevin had his own show at FW. If anyone knows how to see it online, please post website. Thanks.
bunt
February 19, 2005 - 02:02 PM
I have been watching the show and reading the boards and I have thought alot about what I have wanted to say - maybe I am being nieve but I don't get the whole hate Wendy thing. This was a competition, so why not come into it wanting to win? All of them at one point or another talked bad about someone - or did I just mishear Kara say that Kevin should not have let someone take over his position of leader (which she did in their collerative effort). Kara was not saying "oh, wasn't that nice of him" She was saying "That was dumb of him" And didn't Tim ask Wendy what she thought of Kevin's leadership ability and then ask her to voice that opinion in front of the judges? I guess my thought was Wendy was right about his leadership ability. He did not keep them on time - they couldn't complete the entire "look" and so the collection was not as coherent as it could have been without the pods. Even Tim said something about that fact. And didn't Jay and Kara say that Rob had no talent and should not have gotten as far as he did? And what about when Kevin made Nora go off and Vanesa made fun of her? That was okay? I do recognize that for the Grammy dress, Wendy did take the material that Kara was going to use and that wasn't right but for kara to say endy took the orange color idea was not right either. They both heard O'Dell say that was a good color for her.
I can't comment on Wendy's ability - I am not a designer nor a person who sews but didn't two her designs win? The black dress will used by Banana Republic right? So, I question the confidence of some of the other designers - here is an older person with no formal training coming in and competing with them toe to toe. After all, the judges make the decisions - not the competitors. So if they were as confident as everyone says they are - wouldn't they just say whatever and not be bothered with her? Instead they are bothered by her - alot. I don't think anyone came into this competition thinking they were going to make life long friends - why should they? This was a competition.
lafcadio
February 19, 2005 - 02:09 PM
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<sigh> My attempt at irony went astray.
If the original poster believed that the only way someone would support Wendy would be to either be a personal friend or relative, and is unwilling to believe that anyone else with Internet and cable or satellite TV access would do so, then it indicates that the same person would believe the same about anything else in pop culture (including a presidential election).
It's the same kind of short-sightedness that has a good chunk of the country squalling, "What happened???!?" after the last election. And the answer is real simple - I exist. I vote. And I am not alone.
It continues to amaze me that the people who trash Wendy and her designs unabashedly seem to think that, not only are they "right", but that anyone who expresses a different viewpoint is a "plant" or a fraud in some way. Can we spell "diversity"?
I believe the reason most of us think Wendy defendys are either relatives or plants is that we are incredulous that anyone would support someone who has shown herself to be a two-faced backstabbing sleazeball. Did we see the same show? Granted some of Wendy's deviousness were due to editing but in her private interviews she clearly admitted to playing mind games with the other designers in order to get into FW. I'm all about diversity but not when it comes to celebrating the mean spirited duplicitous side of human nature.
GuensMom
February 19, 2005 - 02:11 PM
I wish it were as simple as "I am a Republican for Wendy Pepper!" LOL! I am an Independent who voted a split-ticket in the last election (2/3 Dem, 1/3 Rep; usually I do better, about 50/50).
I think the best description is "I am an Independent and a contrarian, who hates to see simplistic thinking applied to another human being" - whether that human be Wendy Pepper, Kara Saun, Austin Scarlett or Jay (Whose-Last-Name-I-Forgot). That's all.
I understand and applaud people who have their favorites and root for them, so long as they keep their commentary relatively good-natured; I appreciate people who like a good contest, well-played, regardless of who wins, even better.
MissingPR
February 19, 2005 - 02:11 PM
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purpledreamart quipped..Quote:
Hey! My eight year old daughter likes Wendy, and her clothes, and she thinks the others are being mean to her for no reason. She also thinks Austin looks like Prince Charming lol. Sorry. *ducks*
I'm sorry too. I'd hate to think that Prince Charming will be off-limits to some children the way SpongeBob SquarePants is, and Harry Potter and I believe Winnie the Pooh also (he doesn't wear pants you see..)
I remember enjoying Cinderella and The Little Mermaid, and even though Prince Charming did wear his tights a little tight, I never noticed at that age. I don't think. But who knows? Maybe I could sue Disney for influencing my sexuality? I'm not complaining. I don't envy straight guys, but I'm still mad at Disney for their shenanigans with Michael Moore's film Farenheit 9/11. So, do you know a good Republican lawyer who will take my case? Nepotism and all that..
notevayas
p.s. I think it is sweet that your 8 year old daughter watches the show, and cares about people not being mean. Honest and true! Innocence is beautiful! I can only pray that Wendy and her family have sheltered her child from the fallout from her reputation (deserved or not) from the show. I have vivid memories of just how cruel kids can be. I hope she is not one of those people who pushes her kid into the spotlight to justify herself or gain sympathy!
I don't mind you calling me "ducks" because ducks are cool. They mate for life. And Wendy's feather-butt Grammy dress looked ducky also, though the feathers were removed, the straps were redone, the hem of the top and the skirt were redone.. before it ever saw the tv cameras. And this was the dress that decided Fashion Week??
Duck .. Duck .. GOOSE!
Hmmm, you know? You might just have a case. I never saw a Disney animated film until I bought the videos for my kids. And the strangest things began happening to me...I wanted to stay out late and night, drink hard liquor, and talk to strange men. I even started looking at my girlfriends just a little bit differently, if you know what I mean?
Seriously though, hopefully we won't have to worry about poor Pooh, since even though he doesn't have pants, he clearly doesn't have any privates, front or back. Which is the way it should be, darn it! Whereas Spongebob....well...who KNOWS what he's hiding in those squarepants. One can't be too sure these days, can one? LOL.
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