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I don't like Wendy she just came across as being so underhanded. She should have relied on talent and not tricks. I liked maybe three of her outfits. I think she should have concentrated on improving her fashions instead of plotting against everyone. All the designers are talented; I think the one who is going to win is the one that is the most original. I am pulling for Jay, but even if he doesn't win he will go far in this business.
I wanted to get my two cents in before the last show airs and the series ends. I don't know how anybody thinks Wendy cheated, she only stepped over the bodies of those who's last designs were weak, unimaginative or did not follow the rules of the challenge. I'm sorry, but Wendy has suffered brutally at the hands of the judges every week, expecting to leave at any moment. Jay and Kara Saun haven't had a minute of abuse at their hands except for the last challenge which Wendy deservedly won. (It's too bad Nancy didn't wear it as Wendy designed it, it was too cute!) They have been so mean to her. I felt that Wendy redeemed herself in the designer get together when she said that Austin wasn't a good leader because she knew that Vanessa was the weakest link and tried not to beat on her. She knew that the judges wouldn't get rid of Austin, so she made the safest kind of choice. No one, of course, ever asked her to explain which would have helped. Vanessa turned out to be a loose canon and doomed herself on all fronts after the group show.
Wendy was set up by Tim Gunn, judge's spy extrodinaire, in the leadership question about Kevin. I wonder how Jay or Kara Saun would have answered that question which they were sooo lucky not to get. Every thing the judges did or said to Wendy was deliberately done to make her look bad. In the work room Wendy never said anything bad about another designer so that they could hear, like Kevin did, or especially like Kara Saun did. Athough Kara has some very beautiful designs if we didn't see that dress top once we saw it 5 times!!! The Envy dress, the Banana Republic dress, the Wedding dress, the outfit under the coat and the Grammy dress! It's a classic look, but Jay designed with the most variety I thought. I also can't believe that Jay wasn't upset with Kara Saun after she "helped" him with the Grammy dress. What was he thinking?
In the work room Wendy was all business and kept to the task at hand. Everyone also forgets that she was a great team player and contributed to each team fully. After the last show I don't know why Alexandra, Starr, Nora (another loose cannon), Daniel, and Mario were complaining about Wendy for, she never said anything about them. Jay is always trash talking about everybody and everybody just loved him, and Kara Saun is so self-righteous (there's a bit of a Diva in there) and felt free to make many snyde comments in the work room. She also showed herself to be a very small person at heart. Kara, you should follow your own advice about selling your soul because you might need it some day. Wendy was right, she was no threat to you, yet you always treated her like one, pretty sad after all the love the judges showed you! Wendy also never said anything bad about Kara or Jay, yet they were always talking her down, always. During the last show when Kara, Jay and Austin were smarting from the criticism of the judges she enjoyed it and why shouldn't she, it was more like welcome to her world. The only one on the show who never said a bad word about any one "on camera" was Tim Gunn. He comes off like the consummate professional that he is.
To me Wendy was the most changed designer at the end of the show. Jay is definitely the most versatile and Kara the most elegant. There is a place in the fashion world for all of them. No matter what anybody thinks of the final runway show, I'm glad that Wendy got to show her stuff. She showed the world that she knows how to work hard (with out having a nervous breakdown at the machine every week like Jay), that she could take the abuse not only from the judges but from her competitors and keep on working. A lesser person would have folded. She also followed directions and learned from the times that she didn't. She might not be the best but deserved her chance and I'm glad that she got it.
Wendy was set up by Tim Gunn, judge's spy extrodinaire, in the leadership question about Kevin. I wonder how Jay or Kara Saun would have answered that question which they were sooo lucky not to get. Every thing the judges did or said to Wendy was deliberately done to make her look bad. In the work room Wendy never said anything bad about another designer so that they could hear, like Kevin did, or especially like Kara Saun did. Athough Kara has some very beautiful designs if we didn't see that dress top once we saw it 5 times!!! The Envy dress, the Banana Republic dress, the Wedding dress, the outfit under the coat and the Grammy dress! It's a classic look, but Jay designed with the most variety I thought. I also can't believe that Jay wasn't upset with Kara Saun after she "helped" him with the Grammy dress. What was he thinking?
In the work room Wendy was all business and kept to the task at hand. Everyone also forgets that she was a great team player and contributed to each team fully. After the last show I don't know why Alexandra, Starr, Nora (another loose cannon), Daniel, and Mario were complaining about Wendy for, she never said anything about them. Jay is always trash talking about everybody and everybody just loved him, and Kara Saun is so self-righteous (there's a bit of a Diva in there) and felt free to make many snyde comments in the work room. She also showed herself to be a very small person at heart. Kara, you should follow your own advice about selling your soul because you might need it some day. Wendy was right, she was no threat to you, yet you always treated her like one, pretty sad after all the love the judges showed you! Wendy also never said anything bad about Kara or Jay, yet they were always talking her down, always. During the last show when Kara, Jay and Austin were smarting from the criticism of the judges she enjoyed it and why shouldn't she, it was more like welcome to her world. The only one on the show who never said a bad word about any one "on camera" was Tim Gunn. He comes off like the consummate professional that he is.
To me Wendy was the most changed designer at the end of the show. Jay is definitely the most versatile and Kara the most elegant. There is a place in the fashion world for all of them. No matter what anybody thinks of the final runway show, I'm glad that Wendy got to show her stuff. She showed the world that she knows how to work hard (with out having a nervous breakdown at the machine every week like Jay), that she could take the abuse not only from the judges but from her competitors and keep on working. A lesser person would have folded. She also followed directions and learned from the times that she didn't. She might not be the best but deserved her chance and I'm glad that she got it.
I have been as objective as I think is possible while watching the show but I have become annoyed with Wendy's little put-down looks and her critical ways. They all want to win yet most of them have remained friendly. She is the only one who seems not to get along. That should tell you something. Individual designers have made comments about each other but each designer seems to take the comments in stride. Not one designer has been off limits in terms of critical comments. But, they have enough of a bond and enough maturity to let it go. Wendy's go further. She's relied much too much on "playing the game" and put downs to earn my admiration. Also, her designs are wanting. You said "the judges" decide . . . if you read the credits, the producers have input to their decisions. So, she makes for compelling TV I guess. I remember Nina preferring Alexandra's dress during the BR challenge but somehow Wendy's won. Maybe the bow to the cape as they had it in their catalog that season.
Also, Wendy won the Grammy dress BY DEFAULT. Nancy Odell did not like it as it was. She changed it significantly before she wore it. But, she didn't want beads ((which no one knew) and she wanted simplicity. Wendy did not give her simplicity - Nancy tweaked it to get simplicity. Had Jay stuck with his original top, his may have been chosen. Austin's much too glamourous! Kara's was great but obviously not Odell's style. Wendy gave Odell what she was already wearing during the briefing (talk about playing it safe!) and then, everything Wendy contributed to the design was changed! I don't call that a win based on vision and originality. More of a "win by default."
Wendy keeps being referred to as a forty-year-old mom. Horsepuckey, she is an established designer?/dressmaker just like Kara Saun who is 37. But, they are worlds apart in their sense of high fashion and abilities to create original works of art.
Finally, all these people are experienced in the field of fashion and none should need a leader to check on every little thing they do. Both Austin and Kevin led discussion, reached agreement on the idea, then let professionals (supposedly) work their magic. I call that professional and respectful leadership. I think bad-mouthing leaders ( which she did to both!) is immature and petty. Let her win by her design skills.
On another track, I do wish Robert had been sent packing sooner so we would have seen more of the others. I like him but as Nina said, how did he get this far? She did have an eye for design. I don't think she would have made the same elimination decisions if she had been around more. I think she's a good judge.
Also, Wendy won the Grammy dress BY DEFAULT. Nancy Odell did not like it as it was. She changed it significantly before she wore it. But, she didn't want beads ((which no one knew) and she wanted simplicity. Wendy did not give her simplicity - Nancy tweaked it to get simplicity. Had Jay stuck with his original top, his may have been chosen. Austin's much too glamourous! Kara's was great but obviously not Odell's style. Wendy gave Odell what she was already wearing during the briefing (talk about playing it safe!) and then, everything Wendy contributed to the design was changed! I don't call that a win based on vision and originality. More of a "win by default."
Wendy keeps being referred to as a forty-year-old mom. Horsepuckey, she is an established designer?/dressmaker just like Kara Saun who is 37. But, they are worlds apart in their sense of high fashion and abilities to create original works of art.
Finally, all these people are experienced in the field of fashion and none should need a leader to check on every little thing they do. Both Austin and Kevin led discussion, reached agreement on the idea, then let professionals (supposedly) work their magic. I call that professional and respectful leadership. I think bad-mouthing leaders ( which she did to both!) is immature and petty. Let her win by her design skills.
On another track, I do wish Robert had been sent packing sooner so we would have seen more of the others. I like him but as Nina said, how did he get this far? She did have an eye for design. I don't think she would have made the same elimination decisions if she had been around more. I think she's a good judge.
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<sigh> My attempt at irony went astray.
If the original poster believed that the only way someone would support Wendy would be to either be a personal friend or relative, and is unwilling to believe that anyone else with Internet and cable or satellite TV access would do so, then it indicates that the same person would believe the same about anything else in pop culture (including a presidential election).
It's the same kind of short-sightedness that has a good chunk of the country squalling, "What happened???!?" after the last election. And the answer is real simple - I exist. I vote. And I am not alone.
It continues to amaze me that the people who trash Wendy and her designs unabashedly seem to think that, not only are they "right", but that anyone who expresses a different viewpoint is a "plant" or a fraud in some way. Can we spell "diversity"?
I believe the reason most of us think Wendy defendys are either relatives or plants is that we are incredulous that anyone would support someone who has shown herself to be a two-faced backstabbing sleazeball. Did we see the same show? Granted some of Wendy's deviousness were due to editing but in her private interviews she clearly admitted to playing mind games with the other designers in order to get into FW. I'm all about diversity but not when it comes to celebrating the mean spirited duplicitous side of human nature.
Well, here's the thing that I keep choking over in some of the posts - I don't like name-calling. Maybe because I was one of the kids who (once upon a time) got stuck with a lot of names. So I don't like being called a "Wendy defendy" (and you notice the people who do indicate some support for Wendy don't name-call those who trash her) and I also think that "two-faced backstabbing sleazeball" drops squarely in the zone of name-calling.
As to the rest, I've watched the show from the get-go, and I've read the stuff on Wendy's website. I think part of the reason I see it differently is that I have also had the training to listen/read objectively - and to know when my personal "stuff" is getting in the way of an objective perspective.
And as for diversity, I wasn't talking about celebrating the ugly side of human behavior (and it is behavior of which we are all capable, whether or not we admit it, or whether or not we choose to indulge in it), I was talking about valuing another person's perspective and trying to learn from it. Some of the more interesting conversations I've had in my life have come from setting aside the anger and frustration I was feeling at the time, and simply asking the question, "How do you see it that way?" Regardless of the topic, when I truly began to understand the other point of view, regardless of how foreign it was to me initially, I have learned to appreciate more and more the differences in humans, and the similarities, as well.
Little too much pop-psychology in your latest comments. I think most of us think we are intelligent and learned. I don't like name calling, either, but my mom trained me to be tolerant and kind. I don't think it is okay to imply that "training" has made you more sensitive or nicer to people. I was a little offended at your implication that you are a better judge of people or more thoughtful in your posts than the rest of us. Some people are blunt and perhaps less than kind but it is not my place to judge their posts. I just tell what I think about the choices made by the various designers and the way they present themselves. I also think that their designs speak for themselves. Just my take on your post.
This is in response to Chmott of 2/12/05. I totally agree with you about the mistreatment of her. I don't understand why people don't like Wendy. What did she actually do to any of the others to help eliminate them? The participants were judged by fashion experts. Wendy won two of the challenges. Only Kara Saun won more than Wendy. Kevin was a terrible leader for the futuristic challenge. There was no real theme except for the color and that is not enough to tie things together. Why did a fashion judge ask Wendy her thoughts about Kevin's leadership style? Very weird except if the show wanted to start some drama--which it did. But why is everyone so against Wendy? What exactly did she do to get people so bent out of shape?
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What I saw, especially on the Post Office episode was a lot of back-stabbing, two-faced behind-the-back talking down of Wendy.
They were ALL guilty of it.
He who is without sin ..... and all that jazz!!
What I saw, especially on the Post Office episode was a lot of back-stabbing, two-faced behind-the-back talking down of Wendy.
They were ALL guilty of it.
He who is without sin ..... and all that jazz!!
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Little too much pop-psychology in your latest comments. I think most of us think we are intelligent and learned. I don't like name calling, either, but my mom trained me to be tolerant and kind. I don't think it is okay to imply that "training" has made you more sensitive or nicer to people. I was a little offended at your implication that you are a better judge of people or more thoughtful in your posts than the rest of us. Some people are blunt and perhaps less than kind but it is not my place to judge their posts. I just tell what I think about the choices made by the various designers and the way they present themselves. I also think that their designs speak for themselves. Just my take on your post.
well said.
Quote: "Seriously though, hopefully we won't have to worry about poor Pooh, since even though he doesn't have pants, he clearly doesn't have any privates, front or back. Which is the way it should be, darn it! Whereas Spongebob....well...who KNOWS what he's hiding in those squarepants. One can't be too sure these days, can one? LOL. "
In the fish hook episode we (along with Pearl and all her friends) clearly saw spongebob without his pants ~ he's hiding a SPONGE under there!!!
In the fish hook episode we (along with Pearl and all her friends) clearly saw spongebob without his pants ~ he's hiding a SPONGE under there!!!
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This is in response to Chmott of 2/12/05. I totally agree with you about the mistreatment of her. I don't understand why people don't like Wendy. What did she actually do to any of the others to help eliminate them? The participants were judged by fashion experts. Wendy won two of the challenges. Only Kara Saun won more than Wendy. Kevin was a terrible leader for the futuristic challenge. There was no real theme except for the color and that is not enough to tie things together. Why did a fashion judge ask Wendy her thoughts about Kevin's leadership style? Very weird except if the show wanted to start some drama--which it did. But why is everyone so against Wendy? What exactly did she do to get people so bent out of shape?
I'll tell you why I don't like her. Mainly I think that she is not a good designer and I feel that her space at Fashion Week should have gone to another designer. That's my main beef against her. Actually, I feel kind of sorry for her because I read about five reviews of her collection and the critics really were hard on her (they said stuff like "cheesy" "unprofessional" [she had a zipper hanging from one of her dresses] and "a housewife from Virginia and it shows")
Now about her personality. I always gave her the benefit of the doubt because it is a "reality" show and they are known for manipulating images to create drama. I figured that they shot hundreds of hours of footage yet used only 6.75 hours of it (9 episodes at 45 mins each.) They concentrated on Wendy thus her actions were heightened and highlighted.
I used to say that I think that they made her look worse than she really is. Then I read what she wrote on her website. Instead of saying "well, this is what really happened" or "they didn't show everything that happened" or "they made me look bad" she pretty much justified what the viewers saw and actually she come off looking far worse by her own account than she did on the show. I think that her comments were distasteful and ungracious.
Austin won two challenges as well. He was on the brink of elimination once (wedding dress) and Wendy was on the brink three times (envy, 2055, and post office).
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...I don't think it is okay to imply that "training" has made you more sensitive or nicer to people. I was a little offended at your implication that you are a better judge of people or more thoughtful .....
Just to clarify - I wrote that I was trained to be more objective - not more sensitive, not nicer, not more thoughtful.
However, I've also been trained to be an effective counselor. Unfortunately, my program didn't include the "pop" part. I had to get that on my own! <g>
I'm utterly amazed that the anti-Wendy crowd can't comprehend that some people might have a contrary opinion. I can understand not liking her but when you cross over into dismissing her supporters opinions and even questioning whether or not they're genuine posts, that really shows the lack of maturity around here.
Every day I see posts from people logging in for the first time just to say something bad about Wendy - but that's not suspicious? Someone logs in to support Wendy and that's just unbelievable?
Like it or not she has fans. Why is that so hard to accept? Why not just support your favorite designers and bash Wendy if you must but it's just silly that you feel you must stomp out her supporters.
Every day I see posts from people logging in for the first time just to say something bad about Wendy - but that's not suspicious? Someone logs in to support Wendy and that's just unbelievable?
Like it or not she has fans. Why is that so hard to accept? Why not just support your favorite designers and bash Wendy if you must but it's just silly that you feel you must stomp out her supporters.
Duly noted. I consider myself objective as well and have read many posts which talk empirically about design and observed character traits. So, again, I respect all points of view and try not to judge others posts. Agree or disagree, fine. Characterize or pontificate, hopefully not me. (smile)
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Not to rain on anyones parade, but in the real world of fashion, it matters very little who actually "wins" this competition (if it can truly be called one). The prize money in terms of what it takes to start up a fashion house, is not nearly enough capital to do the job. Plus, without a distribution deal with at least one if not several major Department Stores (to carry and sell the line)thier dreams will die a quick and cold death.
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And on a personal sidebar, I have to say I would be shocked if Wendy wins. And not because of her "talent" level (which seems to have been debated on this site, adnauseum), but rather by her own attitudes and actions that have led to her having the worst case of bad press any new designer has ever had. In the fashion world, much like politics, perception is everything. The producers of Project Runway spelled out this school of thought when they discussed the problems with the model Morgan. Saying that she couldn't be portrayed in any other way than negative. And even asked how any modeling agency would want to sign her, after witnessing her performance on Project Runway. Wendy, either purposefully or by accident of fate, has turned off a large section of the viewing public. Though she seems be gaining at least a few defenders, she has got incredibly bad press. Her talent as a designer has been judged to be poor, and her personality at best, is devisive. Press like that is a death sentence to a designer. Like it or not, even if she wins, no major financial backer will risk loosing money on a mediocre talent with bad attitude. And though the way people view her may indeed be wrong, that does not matter. For as I've said, Perception is everything! It may not be right, but it's the way it is.
A very true post - well said, Wayne.
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This is in response to Chmott of 2/12/05. I totally agree with you about the mistreatment of her. I don't understand why people don't like Wendy. What did she actually do to any of the others to help eliminate them? The participants were judged by fashion experts. Wendy won two of the challenges. Only Kara Saun won more than Wendy. Kevin was a terrible leader for the futuristic challenge. There was no real theme except for the color and that is not enough to tie things together. Why did a fashion judge ask Wendy her thoughts about Kevin's leadership style? Very weird except if the show wanted to start some drama--which it did. But why is everyone so against Wendy? What exactly did she do to get people so bent out of shape?
I'll tell you why I don't like her. Mainly I think that she is not a good designer and I feel that her space at Fashion Week should have gone to another designer. That's my main beef against her. Actually, I feel kind of sorry for her because I read about five reviews of her collection and the critics really were hard on her (they said stuff like "cheesy" "unprofessional" [she had a zipper hanging from one of her dresses] and "a housewife from Virginia and it shows")
Now about her personality. I always gave her the benefit of the doubt because it is a "reality" show and they are known for manipulating images to create drama. I figured that they shot hundreds of hours of footage yet used only 6.75 hours of it (9 episodes at 45 mins each.) They concentrated on Wendy thus her actions were heightened and highlighted.
I used to say that I think that they made her look worse than she really is. Then I read what she wrote on her website. Instead of saying "well, this is what really happened" or "they didn't show everything that happened" or "they made me look bad" she pretty much justified what the viewers saw and actually she come off looking far worse by her own account than she did on the show. I think that her comments were distasteful and ungracious.
Austin won two challenges as well. He was on the brink of elimination once (wedding dress) and Wendy was on the brink three times (envy, 2055, and post office).
Okay, so I finally went to her site (though I really didn't want to) and thought this was an interesting interpretation of the orange fabric incident:
"I remember shopping at Mood (no, Kara Saun, I did not steal your fabric - and please! - enough with the innuendo and insinuation!) and deciding upon this brilliant orange suede...."
And deciding on this brilliant orange suede?? Do you mean the one that was on Kara Saun's table? True it didn't "technically" belong to her because she hadn't paid for it yet. But she had gone through the racks and the endless bolts, somehow managed to find that one, pulled it out and put it with her other things for herself. Now I don't know if any of you sew, but searching for just the right fabric is not just difficult visually, creatively, and intellectually...it is hard work, and those bolts are heavy and not easy to get out of the racks. So of course Wendy "decided on the perfect orange suede" ... because Kara Saun's eye had not only already chosen it for her, but fished it out of the jillions of other bolts for her to pluck away.
Sorry, but that was just plain cheesy. And for her to not even realize what she did was wrong is pure denial. Like alot of the other things she did. I've heard a couple of other folks here talk about Wendy's mental health, and I too wonder about that. I mean, one minute she's talking about how she plans to level the playing field via manipulation, the next implements her manipulations, and the next cries and is angry because no-one likes her and is being mean to her. I don't know, but that to me said something was either lacking and/or seriously wrong in her mental processing of things. Or she was just out and out lying about not seeing the connection i.e. cause and effect between her actions and the way others in the group treated her in the end, and was using the tears etc. to try to make herself feel better, the victim, and try to gain sympathy. Sorry to say it, but that's how it looks from here.
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Back on track...maybe this is why we call them fashion designers and not fashion artists? Do people here see a distinct difference between a designer and an artist?
If an architect "designs" a building (think Frank Lloyd Wright) and the result is a work of art - is he an artist or a designer? I would still call him an artist. Is a graphic designer an artist? Yup. Is a fashion designer an artist? Yup. Writers? Yup. I guess in my book an artist is a person who is so passionate about making something visual or imaginative that it becomes their occupation or they dive into it full-force as a hobby. Of course "art" is still subject to interpretation but hey, that's my take.
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Okay, so I finally went to her site (though I really didn't want to) and thought this was an interesting interpretation of the orange fabric incident:
"I remember shopping at Mood (no, Kara Saun, I did not steal your fabric - and please! - enough with the innuendo and insinuation!) and deciding upon this brilliant orange suede...."
And deciding on this brilliant orange suede?? Do you mean the one that was on Kara Saun's table?
I'm confused - and I don't know if it's because my eyes are getting worse, or because I don't have a big enough TV. In the show, (between Kara Saun and Wendy) I saw three bolts of orange fabric. When Wendy went over to Kara Saun's table, there were two there, and I thought the one she pulled off it was the pretty, iridiscent one - and she walked over to her table and plunked it down, but there was already a bolt of orange fabric on it. I thought the one that was already there was the suede. And I could have missed it (again), but I didn't see any trace of the iridiscent orange fabric in Wendy's design on the runway.
Will someone who has good eyesight and/or a large screen TV please tell me what to look for in the Sunday re-run?
Slightly off-track, but relevant to the design/art discussion, I think: Do fashion designers create new fabrics? Or is that the province of chemists and scientists?
I know that designers create new prints on existing fabrics - but who says, "There hasn't been a 500-count cotton sheet yet, let's do that!" or "I want a fabric that has the stretch of Lycra, but the touch-texture of a satin; let's make one."
I know that designers create new prints on existing fabrics - but who says, "There hasn't been a 500-count cotton sheet yet, let's do that!" or "I want a fabric that has the stretch of Lycra, but the touch-texture of a satin; let's make one."
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Quote: "Seriously though, hopefully we won't have to worry about poor Pooh, since even though he doesn't have pants, he clearly doesn't have any privates, front or back. Which is the way it should be, darn it! Whereas Spongebob....well...who KNOWS what he's hiding in those squarepants. One can't be too sure these days, can one? LOL. "
In the fish hook episode we (along with Pearl and all her friends) clearly saw spongebob without his pants ~ he's hiding a SPONGE under there!!!
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One of our posters from England, Naomi, found this photo of SpongeBob SquarePants that does prove that SpongeBob is "well endowed".
For anyone who still doesn't get it, I meant my posts in fun and I also am uncomfortable with the "rigidity" of some language. We are all talking about an entertainment show, right?
It's fun to post our opinions and why, but I have learned through past posting embarrassments to always leave myself wiggle room, not being more than 99.99% pure myself.
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I must compliment Bravo on this show! It is great! I must also post my and my 3 daughter's thoughts.....
We began the show really liking Wendy...not knowing exactly how she would end up "portraying" herself in the end whether on purpose or not. We now are totally in shock that she is one of the final three and Austin is eliminated! It REALLY should have been Jay, Kara, and Austin! Talent speaks volumes from those 3 designers. Not to say that all of the designers, including Wendy do not have talent, because they do, but Jay, Kara and Austin are shining stars in our opinions. A word for Austin....keep up those "romantic" designs....we LOVE them! One last thought for ALL designers...there are PLUS size women out here with absolutely NO cute fashions....just because we are "pleasantly plump" doesn't mean we don't like to dress like the rest....give us some designs and make a million while you are doing it! Good luck to the final 3 and all the rest of the "Project Runway" folks and thanks Bravo for a great show!
We began the show really liking Wendy...not knowing exactly how she would end up "portraying" herself in the end whether on purpose or not. We now are totally in shock that she is one of the final three and Austin is eliminated! It REALLY should have been Jay, Kara, and Austin! Talent speaks volumes from those 3 designers. Not to say that all of the designers, including Wendy do not have talent, because they do, but Jay, Kara and Austin are shining stars in our opinions. A word for Austin....keep up those "romantic" designs....we LOVE them! One last thought for ALL designers...there are PLUS size women out here with absolutely NO cute fashions....just because we are "pleasantly plump" doesn't mean we don't like to dress like the rest....give us some designs and make a million while you are doing it! Good luck to the final 3 and all the rest of the "Project Runway" folks and thanks Bravo for a great show!
I'm Daniel - this is the description:
You are DANIEL! You exude positivity... to the point where it's almost annoying. Still, who's going to stand in the way of those who follow their bliss?
You are DANIEL! You exude positivity... to the point where it's almost annoying. Still, who's going to stand in the way of those who follow their bliss?
It is not only entertainment; it's a commercial. We've been taken for a ride... one big Banana-Pepper infomercial.
I only wish that I'd ever shopped at BR so that I could write them a nasty letter and tell them I'll never shop their stores again. If they think that Wendy will draw me in, they're wrong. They've made me dislike her personality as well as showing me her lack of talent. (And the handwriting is on the photo - she WILL win.)
By the way, I'm an over-40 working mom - just the demographics they'd love to have.
I only wish that I'd ever shopped at BR so that I could write them a nasty letter and tell them I'll never shop their stores again. If they think that Wendy will draw me in, they're wrong. They've made me dislike her personality as well as showing me her lack of talent. (And the handwriting is on the photo - she WILL win.)
By the way, I'm an over-40 working mom - just the demographics they'd love to have.
I'm well over 40, a suburban soccer-mom (3 kids) type, and I could both design and sew circles around Wendy Pepper.
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Okay, so I finally went to her site (though I really didn't want to) and thought this was an interesting interpretation of the orange fabric incident:
"I remember shopping at Mood (no, Kara Saun, I did not steal your fabric - and please! - enough with the innuendo and insinuation!) and deciding upon this brilliant orange suede...."
And deciding on this brilliant orange suede?? Do you mean the one that was on Kara Saun's table?
I'm confused - and I don't know if it's because my eyes are getting worse, or because I don't have a big enough TV. In the show, (between Kara Saun and Wendy) I saw three bolts of orange fabric. When Wendy went over to Kara Saun's table, there were two there, and I thought the one she pulled off it was the pretty, iridiscent one - and she walked over to her table and plunked it down, but there was already a bolt of orange fabric on it. I thought the one that was already there was the suede. And I could have missed it (again), but I didn't see any trace of the iridiscent orange fabric in Wendy's design on the runway.
Will someone who has good eyesight and/or a large screen TV please tell me what to look for in the Sunday re-run?
Ooooh, interesting point! I'll have to look if I see that episode again. My 8 year old is now addicted to the reruns lol, so I'll check again when they run them (supposedly) on Monday.
But say, for example, she didn't use the fabric she took from Kara's table. Does that still make it right? I was thinking about it and came up with a real life example. Say you (not you personally, but whoever is reading) were in a store, say a toy store at Christmas. And you were shopping for a toy for your child/grandchild/sibling/niece/nephew. It is the "must have" toy that season and the child on your list really wants it. You can't find it anywhere in the store, so as you're looking, you spy it in the cart of another shopper standing near you. They're distracted for a moment. Do you take the toy out of their cart and walk away with it?
Certainly it's not "stealing" because they haven't paid for it. But I think there's an underlying moral issue here. At what point do your needs, feelings etc. become so much more important than the needs of others that you essentially discount/ignore/negate theirs in favor of your own? And how much of your "soul" are you willing to give up in order to meet those needs? Would you knock the other shopper down to get the toy? Would you kill her for it?
Anyway. It may seem like a quantum leap...and maybe it is. But there are people in the world who "take things out of other people's baskets" and think nothing of it, and there are the people who don't. I happen to be one of the latter. Because I know that any feeling I may feel, or any need that I may have, isn't so unique that the same couldn't be true for the person standing right next to me. And call me high and mighty like Kara or whatever some have called her here, but the inability of some people in the world to see that is a significant character flaw imho.
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I'm well over 40, a suburban soccer-mom (3 kids) type, and I could both design and sew circles around Wendy Pepper.
Woo hoo!! Go you!
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This is in response to Chmott of 2/12/05. I totally agree with you about the mistreatment of her. I don't understand why people don't like Wendy. What did she actually do to any of the others to help eliminate them? The participants were judged by fashion experts. Wendy won two of the challenges. Only Kara Saun won more than Wendy. Kevin was a terrible leader for the futuristic challenge. There was no real theme except for the color and that is not enough to tie things together. Why did a fashion judge ask Wendy her thoughts about Kevin's leadership style? Very weird except if the show wanted to start some drama--which it did. But why is everyone so against Wendy? What exactly did she do to get people so bent out of shape?
Ironically, for all of Wendy's machinations it probably had little influence on the outcome of the contest. She said as much in the reunion show when she defended her actions by saying she had no influence on the judges thus she was taken aback by the amount of venom towards her. It was Wendy playing victim again and frankly, it made me dislike her even more. If she knew her scheming had no effect in getting her to FW why in the world didn't she just be sincere and honest in her interactions with the other designers? Instead, she succeeded in getting to FW but in doing so disgraced herself on national TV, made tons of enemies and burned many a bridge with people who could have helped her career. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
I agree. Wendy and her unfortnate 'strategizing' disgraced herself and made a very horrible, public example for her daughter on national television. I just want to say to the producers who obviously thought it would 'spice up' the ratings by artifically bringing Wendy to the finals (Mr. Gunn offered her the most detailed, direct, specific advice and on the most occasions) have made an error in judgement. I think that I am more representative of the Project Runway audience than my husband is. He watches Survivor (the game that Wendy was apparently playing) all the time. I hate ordinary reality shows for this exact reason. Television, in the right context can be a powerful tool for change and education. Unfortunately, the producers of reality TV and contestants like Wendy want to promote the idea that ruthless cunning is superior to raw talent, honesty, and creativity. As to those who feel for Wendy, get real! She actually stated that she would do anything to win the trust of the others so that she could use what she knew against them. I pray for her child who has such a disgrace for a monther. By the way, only Wendy is low enough to draw on the little angel's face. This was obviously part of Wendy's twisted strategy.
I chose the ripped jeans. They can be quite sexy, depending where the rips are. I didn't like any of the other choices.
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Nah, you're a possible customer. It pays for her to be nice to you. Not a surprise.
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I gave him 4 stars. I really like it myself. It's SO him, too. Besides, I'm a British historians and got the reference.
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You are DANIEL! You exude positivity... to the point where it's almost annoying. Still, who's going to stand in the way of those who follow their bliss?
I got Daniel, I was not happy about it.
Can you open any of the sections? I couldn't. I wanted to send that boy's people an email. I want an Austin Scarlett (lol))!!!
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GuensMom, I agree with some of your points but I will say that I'm part of that demographic (a thirty-something mom) who is disappointed that this woman got there and chose to 'play the game' the way she did. As you put it, seeing what she is 'up against'. She could have just as easily gone in there and used her age and experience to her advantage instead of other, less attractive tactics. She became a caricature of a dowdy old housemarm who has to cheat and exploit others to get ahead. She's obviously had some success in the field (has her own shop and own collections) so why not go in there with the attitude that, 'yes, I have a lot of life experience and even though I was never formally educated in design I've still managed to do quite well for myself and am perfectly capable of handling these challenges and holding my own with a little dignity'. I even thought the funky hair and makeup was sort of cute at first.
Wendy and I are only 1 year separate in age and I liked her in the beginning because she's a mom and I thought she would go about this in a totally different way. If she had gone by the way of talent and had fallen by the wayside, I would have had a ton of respect for her.
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Sorry for the long post! I'll conclude by saying that I have SO ENJOYED the posts of nycgal, purpledreamart, ThomsTeddyBear, ericats and angeedee. I can hardly find your posts anymore with all the traffic but they have been funny, eloquent and dead on IMHO.
Thanks!
There have been some GREAT posters here who I've loved reading! That's why I take the time to go through 100-200 posts when I come on the boards. Been spending time with my one - we went to Friday's and broke through to the next level on the game we play together, 4 more levels to go!
Oh, bird-lady if you catch this, meant to say CONGRATS on having your question read on the show!
You know what's interesting: the one week she stopped to consider what she could do, rather than be concerned about other people, that was the BR challenge. I thought that was a lesson to just "worry about yourself." But it wasn't. She went back to her old tricks and more of 'em.
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I thought there would be one of these sooner:
http://quizilla.com/users/marmalady/quizzes
/Which%20Project%20Runway
%20designer%20are%20you%3F/
OMFG!!! I'm Wendy???!!! **sinks into pit of despair and depression**
*lowers head, places hand on your shoulder in sympathy*
None of the other contestants made a pretense of liking or helping Wendy. If you remember, the USPS episode was unusual because for the first time Kara was willing to agree with others putting down Wendy. It was right in the aftermath of Kevin's elimination, which Austin claimed in his Advocate interview was well replicated, as Wendy was "pure evil" that week. I think there is a difference between speaking of one's alienation with another contestant and kissing their butt to their face and laughing at them behind their back. Ask Jay and he'll tell ya. He knows the difference.
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Totally agree. I can't diagnose the name for it but her self-centeredness and blindness about her own behavior is astounding. Reminds me of that Bob Dylan line about wishing for one moment I was you and for that one you were me so you'd know what a drag it is to see you.
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Ooooh, interesting point! I'll have to look if I see that episode again... on Monday.
But say, for example, she didn't use the fabric she took from Kara's table. Does that still make it right?....
In the purest sense, if Wendy's actions meant that Kara Saun did not have/could not get as much of that fabric as she wanted because Wendy took it, then Wendy stole from KS.
I see four possibilities as to what actually happened:
-(a) Wendy took the fabric from KS' table to use for comparison, but didn't buy any. Net result: KS is ticked off, but otherwise unharmed. (The relationship between KS and W was so bad by that point that KS would have to have been extremely naive to believe that W would have asked her for anything.)
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Wendy took the fabric, bought some, but didn't use it, and there was more than enough for KS to get what she wanted. Net result: KS is royally ticked off, but otherwise unharmed. (This one is what I think happened, if I remember it accurately.) -© Wendy took the fabric, bought some, and used it, and there was still more than enough for KS to get what she wanted. Net result: KS is ballistic, the judges may have wondered why they saw the same fabric twice on the runway - but no way would they have considered the possibility that KS' work was derivative of Wendy's - so other than the change in blood pressure, KS is still unharmed. (This may have violated one of the unwritten rules in the design field, though. Something on the order of "Thou shalt not even think of using the same fabric as a fellow competitor, nor even one that could be mistaken for it.")
-(d) Wendy took the fabric, bought some, and what was left was insufficient for KS' design, forcing her to revamp the design and settle for making those awful leather pants. *That* would be stealing, as well as an unconscionable interference with another competitor (something like doping a horse in the Kentucky Derby).
The way most people have been writing about the incident, you'd think that (d) is what happened. But KS never accused her of that (which you think she would have), and Tim, while unhappy about the incident, didn't indicate any unforgivable behavior in his commentary.
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What I saw, especially on the Post Office episode was a lot of back-stabbing, two-faced behind-the-back talking down of Wendy.
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They were ALL guilty of it.
He who is without sin ..... and all that jazz!!
Not HALF as guilty as Wendy
Birds of a feather...and all that poop.
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I'm confused - and I don't know if it's because my eyes are getting worse, or because I don't have a big enough TV. In the show, (between Kara Saun and Wendy) I saw three bolts of orange fabric. When Wendy went over to Kara Saun's table, there were two there, and I thought the one she pulled off it was the pretty, iridiscent one - and she walked over to her table and plunked it down, but there was already a bolt of orange fabric on it. I thought the one that was already there was the suede. And I could have missed it (again), but I didn't see any trace of the iridiscent orange fabric in Wendy's design on the runway.
Will someone who has good eyesight and/or a large screen TV please tell me what to look for in the Sunday re-run?
Ooooh, interesting point! I'll have to look if I see that episode again. My 8 year old is now addicted to the reruns lol, so I'll check again when they run them (supposedly) on Monday.
But say, for example, she didn't use the fabric she took from Kara's table. Does that still make it right? I was thinking about it and came up with a real life example. Say you (not you personally, but whoever is reading) were in a store, say a toy store at Christmas. And you were shopping for a toy for your child/grandchild/sibling/niece/nephew. It is the "must have" toy that season and the child on your list really wants it. You can't find it anywhere in the store, so as you're looking, you spy it in the cart of another shopper standing near you. They're distracted for a moment. Do you take the toy out of their cart and walk away with it?
Certainly it's not "stealing" because they haven't paid for it. But I think there's an underlying moral issue here. At what point do your needs, feelings etc. become so much more important than the needs of others that you essentially discount/ignore/negate theirs in favor of your own? And how much of your "soul" are you willing to give up in order to meet those needs? Would you knock the other shopper down to get the toy? Would you kill her for it?
Anyway. It may seem like a quantum leap...and maybe it is. But there are people in the world who "take things out of other people's baskets" and think nothing of it, and there are the people who don't. I happen to be one of the latter. Because I know that any feeling I may feel, or any need that I may have, isn't so unique that the same couldn't be true for the person standing right next to me. And call me high and mighty like Kara or whatever some have called her here, but the inability of some people in the world to see that is a significant character flaw imho.
Very VERY good post! And if that doesn't make it clear (especialy after the tons of explanations before it), then nothing will!
On the fabric issue, you'll get a chance at clarification on Sunday - Feb. 20, 11am-8pm is the Project Runway marathon. READY YOUR TAPES!!
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I'm Daniel - this is the description:
You are DANIEL! You exude positivity... to the point where it's almost annoying. Still, who's going to stand in the way of those who follow their bliss?
I got Daniel, I was not happy about it.
I think it was when I picked the T-shirt. I mean, "lab coat" was a choice and guess who that points to? What did you pick for the Walmart curtain one? I chose geometric. I'm still not sure how that's Daniel.
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Totally agree. I can't diagnose the name for it but her self-centeredness and blindness about her own behavior is astounding. Reminds me of that Bob Dylan line about wishing for one moment I was you and for that one you were me so you'd know what a drag it is to see you.
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I think it's called self-delusional. Can you believe Wendy considers herself an anthropologist? (from her website) What the freak?!
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Oh, bird-lady if you catch this, meant to say CONGRATS on having your question read on the show!
thanks, TTB! i was so excited!
Yeah, that's one episode I want to see again. (No, I'm not defending Wendy, just wondering about another aspect of this scene).
I seem to recall Kara Saun seeing her pick up the fabric.
Why on earth didn't Kara Saun just go back and say excuse me but I'm using this? Why all the drama? She does the childish comment instead of just taking the bloody thing back in the first place and confronting directly. Wimpy!
As for the Kevin bashing -- granted Wendy should have told him off stage during the process or at least more tactfully to the judges (though that may have been hard to do) but it wasn't anything Kara and Jay both said behind Kevin's back. Or what the judges said themselves.
I seem to recall Kara Saun seeing her pick up the fabric.
Why on earth didn't Kara Saun just go back and say excuse me but I'm using this? Why all the drama? She does the childish comment instead of just taking the bloody thing back in the first place and confronting directly. Wimpy!
As for the Kevin bashing -- granted Wendy should have told him off stage during the process or at least more tactfully to the judges (though that may have been hard to do) but it wasn't anything Kara and Jay both said behind Kevin's back. Or what the judges said themselves.
I'm Robert -- what the hey? lol... i thought he was the opposite of me...
Just read Vanessa's interview on popgurls and thought she was so honest.. and I'm sooo jealous of her since she's pals with Austin!! Funny how they didn't show that on the tape -- it probably would have made us all jealous and kill our fantasies of having Austin to ourselves . Every time I see him I love him more! And the image of Nancy O'Dell with his dress superimposed was so beautiful! So much classier than ... I can't say her name.
Just read Vanessa's interview on popgurls and thought she was so honest.. and I'm sooo jealous of her since she's pals with Austin!! Funny how they didn't show that on the tape -- it probably would have made us all jealous and kill our fantasies of having Austin to ourselves . Every time I see him I love him more! And the image of Nancy O'Dell with his dress superimposed was so beautiful! So much classier than ... I can't say her name.
Damn! I took the test again, and I'm Daniel. Again! My husband got Kara Saun!
Yeah, I would have liked the reunion show to have at least revealed that they are good friends in real life. Poor Vanessa, though. She seemed so drunk!
Yeah, I would have liked the reunion show to have at least revealed that they are good friends in real life. Poor Vanessa, though. She seemed so drunk!
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Slightly off-track, but relevant to the design/art discussion, I think: Do fashion designers create new fabrics? Or is that the province of chemists and scientists?
I know that designers create new prints on existing fabrics - but who says, "There hasn't been a 500-count cotton sheet yet, let's do that!" or "I want a fabric that has the stretch of Lycra, but the touch-texture of a satin; let's make one."
This is an interesting question about the fabrics; I know little about the answer (there are people who specialize in fabric design who are not actually fashion designers), but I do know that Issey Miyaki is known for innovation as far as materials. Any FD's on the board know the answer to this? As a graphic designer, I know there are about a million fonts out there created by people, but mostly, the process of designing one and having it produced at a foundry and patented, etc. is a very specialized job in the industry. Seems there are many ways to get exactly what you need - though as far as invention, don't know. There are some amazing Japanese fabric artists out there (and many other textile artists as well) who could be worth checking out.
As far as the other discussions on the board, I too felt some sympathy and interest towards Wendy in the beginning, but I became saddened and irritated by her behavior. Also, to whoever said that no one else got asked about Kevin's leadership - actually, Kara was asked about it, and her answer was diplomatic, from what I remember. It's amazing to me still how much everyone on this board assumes from a few hours of footage as filtered through the genius of editing and production.
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Can you open any of the sections? I couldn't. I wanted to send that boy's people an email. I want an Austin Scarlett (lol))!!!
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Damn! I took the test again, and I'm Daniel. Again!
I'll trade you your Daniel for my Starr. I think I'm Starr because I chose the retro cherry print curtains.
So I came across this website with all the images of Jay's designs from Fashion Week. http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.as...99673&ym=200502
Who's with me in saying Jay is the winner?
Who's with me in saying Jay is the winner?
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