AgJu
January 4, 2005 - 11:49 PM
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I will keep Robert, you can have the rest!
How about....you get him Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, and I get him on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. On Sunday, we can flip a coin.
goddessamelia
January 5, 2005 - 12:27 AM
Deal. Lets shake on it.
runwayfan
January 5, 2005 - 04:09 PM
His three designs thusfar have all been solid. Of all the designers he's got the most experience (that bit is a little unfair actually). He's also very quiet, sort of flying-under-the-radar. I'll probably end up being wrong, but I think Kevin is going to be the winner.
AgJu
January 5, 2005 - 04:26 PM
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Deal. Lets shake on it.
*shakes his bonbon*
elle_h
January 5, 2005 - 06:17 PM
I just saw Project Runway for the first time tonight. I would like to tell Austin that the judges were wrong. I loved your design. It's fun and flirty and my age (40) wouldn't stop me from buying it and showing off my figure in it. I also very much liked Wendy's. Her design is very classy and sophisticated. I think her design can be worn by a wide range of women. If I understood correctly this evening, Wendy's design will be available for sale? Wendy, I will be watching for it. Best of luck to you all. Elle in CT
DotCrazy
January 5, 2005 - 07:51 PM
Hmmm..... Gee!!! I wonder who stole the patterns on tonights episode!?! Perhaps the klepto, Wendy? Anywho. What's with her not talking tonight?? She's sooo playing this game like it's Survivor or something. I just don't get it.
On the other hand, Jay's team worked great together!! I LOVE JAY, Robert, and Kara Saun!! I hope they are the top 3!!
ThomsTeddyBear
January 5, 2005 - 07:56 PM
NOOOOOOO!!! NOT VANESSA!!!! How could they!!!
Ok, first off we all knew this wouldn't be Austin's strongpoint. I liked both Kevin and Jay's but thought Jay's would win.
Next...I knew they were going to have the designers kick off one of them but Vanessa??! They kicked off Vanessa??! After Nora had the tantrum of a 2 year-old, lied about how she didn't say anyone stole anything when she did, took time away from the project with her b*tching, AND kept crapping on Kevin when Kevin was following the specs the woman asked for - after all that they get rid of Vanessa??! PLEASE! The girl would have been gone so fast it would have made her head spin! I think she's one of the top designers but this was Kevin's project...not something to make her own. This was just the saddest episode there will ever be.
Vanessa if you ever read this, I hope someone out there takes note of you and gives you the chance you deserve because you were robbed in this episode!
Montana
January 5, 2005 - 07:59 PM
Totally agree.
SeptemberRain
January 5, 2005 - 08:11 PM
Nora soooo deserved to go home tonight. If I had been those judges, her butt would have been on the homeward-bound bus. She was so unprofessional and immature, and she almost ruined the whole thing for her teammates. It's obvious that she is NOT a team player and was indeed the weakest link on this episode. Kevin and Alexandra worked diligently and got the job done.
I think Austin, Wendy and Vanessa did a fairly good job of working together, although I thought Vanessa was trying to manipulate things, and I think that was why Wendy wasn't talking. I had no problem at all with Wendy's behavior this episode. Austin's design was beautiful, but I just didn't think it was what the rock star wanted.
I think Jay had the best design -- as Tim said when he walked in, the vest part alone was a work of art. Jay, Kara and Robert worked very well together, although I think Robert's a bit of a trouble-maker.
My pick for the ultimate winner is Austin or Jay.
2005fashionista
January 5, 2005 - 08:11 PM
Agreed, as well. Nora should have gotten the boot. AS to why Wendy didn't say a word and just worked? Austin was the designer, she was just there to execute his work. This one was all his show and his vision, she was just a seamstress.
On the other hand, Austin has incredible talent, but his Drama Queen ways are starting to get on my nerves. I have liked all his designs up until this point, though. this night's episode just made me say, "umm....no"
Istya
January 5, 2005 - 08:12 PM
I liked Jay's a lot, but I thought Kevin's was horrible. It was ill-fitting and there was too much going on at once. Plus a fuschia dress on a girl with red hair? Not a good match.
jadepen03
January 5, 2005 - 08:13 PM
To Vanessa (designer),
You showed alot of class in being honest about who you felt was the the person who was the weakest team member and not trying to make someone else look bad.
I also believe you should have continued based on what I saw on tv. You said you were disappointed (of course) that noone would see your designs (we saw 3!).
I am sure you will still get a chance thanks to the exposure you got on project runway. Best of luck to you!
IloveAustinmore
January 5, 2005 - 08:33 PM
I cannot stand Wendy. She does not deserve to be there any longer! How dare she critisize Austin's leadership skills! I understand that his "Lil bo peep, Alison in Wonderland" thing was a bit theatrical and interesting but come on, Wendy! She just wanted to get rid of the most obvious competition. Nora should have gone home. Sorry honey..love your hair and all but you acted like an erratic spoiled brat. I like Vanessa a lot and will continue to search for her designs.
6ft3LEGEND_2K5
January 5, 2005 - 10:00 PM
Well, Vanesa - I thought she didn't have any talent until I saw the black little dress ensemble she created . Austin is a drama man - but still, he has TALENT. Kara ( I had no idea was 37 ; I'd never have guessed that ) - SHe has some serious skills.
As for the the latest compeition- I will admit, as stupid as he acts - I liked Jay's design _ but never found out why it got disqualified ; Austin's design was like Little BoPeep gone hooker in Vegas or something - KEvin's design was closer to the edge of the pseronality of the client -
Still, I have to wonder -most of the designers couldn't even communicate the idea they had for the client.
Quite simply her style is just this :
Christina Aguilera + Gwen Stefani + Eve + a lil bit of Avril Levigne - pretty much a chick in school, got her own mind, doesn't give a damn what you think, and is still a girl's girl and a guy's girl type persona. . . got it ? god. get it ? right. Do it ? yes. . .now go to your sewing machine and shut the *@$& up . . lol- GOTCHA ! B-D
jellybean
January 5, 2005 - 10:08 PM
Hi - new here, but I am obsessed with the show since episode 1.
I LOVE Austin. I love all of his designs. He *must* make clothes for me.
Midge
January 5, 2005 - 10:21 PM
I just started watching the show and I am SO HOOKED!!!
I LOVED Austin's designs- I loved the one this week too. Jay's was nice, but I felt Kevins was a fuschia nightmare. I agree with the previous post the fuschia with red hair is not the best combo. Kevin knew his customer though, and that is what counted.
I think that all of the designers are very talented, but Nora is getting on my nerves too. I couldn't believe what happened tonight. Buckle down Nora! I know you can do it......
Austin's my favorite. I also love Jay. They are all very very talented. I hated to see Vanessa go.
Great show!
Altmed
January 5, 2005 - 10:39 PM
Wow!
I thought sure that with the tantrum Nora would have gone home, since she walked out on her team for a while. The drama about someone 'stealing' a pattern piece was *slightly* paranoid... sad & embarrassing! If a designer can't work with a team then, like the judges said, they aren't very likely to make it in the real world in fashion design (or anything else for that matter!)
I LOVED Jay's team's "rock n' roll" design and think his team by far shined above the rest as far as working together and getting along. He seems to have the full package, and while I don't love all his designs, this one was by far the most appropriate, stuck to the sketches, and got the job done...
I've loved Austin's stuff until this one. While a neat costume for perhaps a movie from the past for a brothel girl, this design for a rock star, I felt, was WAY too fu-fu. If it were in black or black and blue or something perhaps it would have worked better, but not light blue on white.
Kevin's design was, hmm... interesting, but bright pink for a red head? I don't think so! Also it looked like the dress was prefabed and cut short, although I liked the accessories, and they'd have even gone well with Jay's outfit as an alternate for the bottom, it didn't seem to go all that well together as a package, again, especially not for a red-head, but I'm not sure the design would have even gone well for the singer's outfit.
I felt Jay should have won this one, as he seems to have a firm grasp on what rock 'n roll is, and where it's going.
Just my $0.02 - Jay, if I ever become a rock star, honey you can dress me any time (uh, for the stage that is!)
jescci
January 5, 2005 - 10:54 PM
I like Jay, but his designs are the punk stuff that's been around for decades and we've seen a million times before with little variation.
Jay's stuff always looks sloppy.
Austin, tho he's had trouble following instructions/delivering client's wishes - is consistently neat and pretty. Clearly the finest craftsman if not the finest designer.
Lamorte
January 5, 2005 - 10:59 PM
I just really love Austin's designs, and especially the way he conducts himself personally. While having the designers ragging on each other may make for entertaining television on the networks part, I just find it unprofessional and unbefitting a fledgiing designer on national televsion to behave that way. Austin seems to have never descended into the "lowest common denominator" pool, and I love that. He has style and class, and is a shining example to others of how to behave in a competion such as this one.
I do not think he is a "drama queen" one bit.
Every thing he has designed has been beautiful. He obviously has the skills in every way to win this thing. GOOD LUCK AUSTIN!!!!!!
cocoa
January 5, 2005 - 11:13 PM
i know the producers are showing us the most dramatic highlights, but a few designers were definitely out-of-control tonite! (read: unprofessional). it seemed that Nora was sabotaging her team with comments like "we're never going to get this finished" and then actually committing the ultimate team-squasher... walking out on them. who knew she would turn out to be a diva to rival Austin!
and, notice how the "quiet ones," by staying under the radar, stayed in? neither shy Alexandra nor calculating Wendy were voted to be eliminated by their teammates. whereas hysterical Austin, raucous Vanessa, and hormonal Nora were spotlighted for the axe.
Altmed
January 5, 2005 - 11:48 PM
I couldn't have put it better! Although Austin's drama seems to fit him, and he is very talented!
ReginaUPright
January 6, 2005 - 12:26 AM
you are sooo right! the one thing I have noticed in this world, retailers look for what works for the masses. Hello, BANANA REPUBLIC is not what I consider a fashion house!...their clothes are made in 3rd world countries in bulk...dont forget, Banana, Gap, and Old Navy (I itch at the thought of even being in that store)are all in one, and available in most cities across the nation. They need to decide if they want to be judging Couture or Ready to wear...there is a HUGE difference. If they want couture, then it will go to Austin. But for the mainstream, they will pick Nora in my opinion. I work at a major department store( for 10 years) and when I started, individuality meant something to designers... now it seems to be what sells the most units wins out over vision....just my thoughts....
dEMONIA
January 6, 2005 - 01:23 AM
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They need to decide if they want to be judging Couture or Ready to wear...there is a HUGE difference. If they want couture, then it will go to Austin. But for the mainstream, they will pick Nora in my opinion.
Mainstream is the essential part of the whole industry. Only a handful of designers are going to have the resources to be a big-name designer. Everyone else has to work for a paycheck with little or no recognition. I have to wonder how many other people are designing Micheal Korr's line while he's playing judge at Project Runway each week.
Mainstream? That would be Kevin and Kara, maybe Alexandria.
I understand and like Kevin and Kara's pieces. I personally don't understand Alexandria's designs, but her customer and tastes are on a different side of mainstream than me.
Austin is by far the best designer, but he won't listen to the "customer" and goes his own way. Jay and Nora are both wonderful designers who can speak with their own voice without smothering it (personally closest to my own tastes). Robert and Wendy could be good if they try, but they seem to be on some other agenda rather than the task of designing and sewing at hand. Vanessa was a surprise elimination to me, as she can do the work, has good talent and was a great character. but one shouldn't shoot your own foot.
The strongest players are Austin and Jay but the real games haven't begun. We're just seeing which ones are the working designers and who are the dabblers. Kara is probably going to finish in the last 3 finalists -- she's a great designer, and has a excellent attitude about the whole thing. I'd like to see Jay as a finalist-- he's showing a surprising amount of versitilty, talent and vision--and he's very funny. Austin will probably be a finalist unless he gets eliminated due to narrow scope of designs or voted out because he's the strongest designer.
and I have to say this because it is stuck in my head. To me part of the fun of being a designer is designing your way out of a paper bag. In that first challenge someone designed a paperbag.
dianad
January 6, 2005 - 01:52 AM
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I like Jay, but his designs are the punk stuff that's been around for decades and we've seen a million times before with little variation.
Jay's stuff always looks sloppy.
I believe you need to study the history of your punk, or rock for that matter, fashion before making assumptions like this. While he does pull upon certain historical elements, he would simply be another boring austin without it. classic rock is a central tenant, but he takes whats "been around for decades" and creates a clear division between it and his own work.
Joanne
January 6, 2005 - 03:34 AM
ABSOLUTELY DEVASTATED!! What on earth happened!!!!!! why was my darling Vanessa eliminated!!
I shall no longer watch this programme as i believe that the judges are full of cr*p!!! Man, i am so angry that even my language has taken a turn for the worse!!!
Vanessa, thanks for making the first 4 episodes of this programme sooooo absolutley fantastic with your funk, style and personality!!! U have such potential and i would bet my right arm that u will suceed!!!
Vanessa, u will be truely missed!! And i am now off to mourn!! Oh and goodbye everyone as i shall not be returning to this site anymore............well maybe actually once to keep protesting!!!
welldressed
January 6, 2005 - 04:18 AM
Read that Austin designed Klums halloween costume, I read it this morning in some NYC gossip column. Guess they remained friendly with one another.
And Klum is engaged to Seal.
-Welldressed
AgJu
January 6, 2005 - 04:26 AM
Basically:
Nora- sucked. Big time. Big freakin' time.
Alexandra- acted professionally and did a good job.
Kevin- did a great job, despite what he had to put up with
Jay- an excellent week honey. I didn't like the whole belt/skirt thing, but the outfit underneath was fabulous!
Robert- oh c'mon designers! he wasn't that bad.
Kara- a lovely lady. very professional.
Austin- drama queen! I agree with the others. he was going just a little overboard with his acting this week. And his design flopped. I still love Austin, but this was his poorest showing yet.
Wendy- remained calm and quiet. good for you.
Vanessa- despite her behavior in the episode, she did not do anything to directly sabotage her team like some people (Nora), was honest about how she did and what she thought unlike some people (Nora), and was kicked out of the competition EXTREMELY unfairly unlike some people who deserved it more (Nora).
AgJu
January 6, 2005 - 04:29 AM
I am just so appalled at Nora after this episode. She is no longer in my fantasy top 3 for Fashion Week.
As it stood previously:
1)Jay
2)Austin
3)either Robert, Nora, or Kevin
As it now stands:
1)Jay
2)Austin
3)Robert or Kevin
I am just so very very very disappointed in Nora and will miss Vanessa so very much.
AgJu
January 6, 2005 - 04:44 AM
Ok, reading through Tim's Takes, I am still confused. All the judges and even Tim are coming down hard on Vanessa for "taking herself out of the competition." Tim even said that the fashion industry responds to garbage and bull**** and that Vanessa did the complete wrong thing by sabotaging herself. So.....what? The fashion industry is cruel and harsh and we should do nothing to change that? Everyone involved should just lie and bring down everyone else and we should punish someone who tells the truth? And rather than give said truth-telling person a chance to work on her shortcomings, we send them home, no fuss, no muss, and talk down to them like they're an idiot?
I am just completely stunned and baffled by everyone involved. What was so unbelievably wrong and terrible and "Oh know! THE APOCALYPSE!" about Vanessa saying she couldn't sew? Especially in a week where a certain other person very nearly sabotaged her teams' chances? Are we to believe that Nora acting the way she did is more acceptable than Vanessa stating the truth that she has trouble sewing?
Ugh. I'm never watching this episode again. Everything about it is just giving me headaches....
X50MAN
January 6, 2005 - 04:55 AM
I met Jay at Cathy's Bread in Trucksville, PA. Once you meet him you will not forget him. His last design for the Girl with a nervous hairdo was what ROCK & ROLL is about. I can't understand that she did not make the choice of Jay's design
luvsthom
January 6, 2005 - 05:38 AM
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NOOOOOOO!!! NOT VANESSA!!!! How could they!!!
Ok, first off we all knew this wouldn't be Austin's strongpoint. I liked both Kevin and Jay's but thought Jay's would win.
Next...I knew they were going to have the designers kick off one of them but Vanessa??! They kicked off Vanessa??! After Nora had the tantrum of a 2 year-old, lied about how she didn't say anyone stole anything when she did, took time away from the project with her b*tching, AND kept crapping on Kevin when Kevin was following the specs the woman asked for - after all that they get rid of Vanessa??! PLEASE! The girl would have been gone so fast it would have made her head spin! I think she's one of the top designers but this was Kevin's project...not something to make her own. This was just the saddest episode there will ever be.
Vanessa if you ever read this, I hope someone out there takes note of you and gives you the chance you deserve because you were robbed in this episode!
Absolutely agree!!!! They kept Nora????? So? Vanessa said she couldn't sew? Sew, oops I mean so? And they kept Nora???? Oh, sorry I said that. Morons!!
ThomsTeddyBear
January 6, 2005 - 05:47 AM
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I like Jay, but his designs are the punk stuff that's been around for decades and we've seen a million times before with little variation.
Jay's stuff always looks sloppy.
Austin, tho he's had trouble following instructions/delivering client's wishes - is consistently neat and pretty. Clearly the finest craftsman if not the finest designer.
I'm not crazy about Jay himself (ok, maybe a little bit - but that mouth!), however he is a GREAT designer and his work is far from sloppy. His pantsuit for envy was very VERY good and his outfit for the BR project was spectacular. In my younger days he definitely would be my fave because my personality was closer to what he shows in his clothes. Jay is a great designer, not a sloppy one - even though he's not my fave, I have to be realistic about that.
Austin is a skilled craftsman AND designer! From the corn husk dress to the envy dress (LOVE THAT DRESS) to his GORGEOUS BR dress - he has been thoughtful and consistent in his designs. Everyone knew this would not be his area so that was no surprise but the outfit he did make, like someone said, was more suited to a romantic period piece...fun to wear, feminine, but not rock-n-roll. Nevertheless, Austin remains top of the line!
ThomsTeddyBear
January 6, 2005 - 06:06 AM
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i know the producers are showing us the most dramatic highlights, but a few designers were definitely out-of-control tonite! (read: unprofessional). it seemed that Nora was sabotaging her team with comments like "we're never going to get this finished" and then actually committing the ultimate team-squasher... walking out on them. who knew she would turn out to be a diva to rival Austin!
and, notice how the "quiet ones," by staying under the radar, stayed in? neither shy Alexandra nor calculating Wendy were voted to be eliminated by their teammates. whereas hysterical Austin, raucous Vanessa, and hormonal Nora were spotlighted for the axe.
Austin is Austin - he may have freaked out when they were trying to remove the needle from Vanessa's finger but Robert was being a pest and anyone would freak out then...or did we skip the scene where Robert was all over Jay and the sewing machine driving him nuts?
1. Austin was not that hysterical compared to the 2 year-old tantrum Nora threw and people trying to highlight this scene are not going to bring down his true, lovely personality in the eyes of his fans.
2. Robert was a pest to Austin AND Jay - like Jay said, he was a tag along on the project and likes to talk (people seem to have skipped that part of the show too)
3. Austin was not spotlighted for the axe. Those who are picked to go are kept on the stage and told what was wrong. Are we missing this because it's the same thing that's been happening in ev-ery episode! I'm old and nearing sinility, come on people - you've GOT to be sharper than me!
Conclusion:
1. Austin is still high class and professional
2. Jay and his team should have won, undoubtedly the best design
3. Robert was a pest and can be annoying in his macho way but is a good designer when he's together.
4. Nora should have been gone!
ThomsTeddyBear
January 6, 2005 - 06:18 AM
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Ok, reading through Tim's Takes, I am still confused. All the judges and even Tim are coming down hard on Vanessa for "taking herself out of the competition." Tim even said that the fashion industry responds to garbage and bull**** and that Vanessa did the complete wrong thing by sabotaging herself. So.....what? The fashion industry is cruel and harsh and we should do nothing to change that? Everyone involved should just lie and bring down everyone else and we should punish someone who tells the truth? And rather than give said truth-telling person a chance to work on her shortcomings, we send them home, no fuss, no muss, and talk down to them like they're an idiot?
I am just completely stunned and baffled by everyone involved. What was so unbelievably wrong and terrible and "Oh know! THE APOCALYPSE!" about Vanessa saying she couldn't sew? Especially in a week where a certain other person very nearly sabotaged her teams' chances? Are we to believe that Nora acting the way she did is more acceptable than Vanessa stating the truth that she has trouble sewing?
Ugh. I'm never watching this episode again. Everything about it is just giving me headaches....
>>>>APPLAUSE!!! APPLAUSE!!! STANDING OVATION!!!<<<<<
I feel the same way! I recorded it and usually watch the next episode that comes on at midnight or 1 am but it just hurt to watch it again. To be eliminated for being truthful? Yeah, great lesson for posterity!
ThomsTeddyBear
January 6, 2005 - 06:28 AM
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NOOOOOOO!!! NOT VANESSA!!!! How could they!!!
Ok, first off we all knew this wouldn't be Austin's strongpoint. I liked both Kevin and Jay's but thought Jay's would win.
Next...I knew they were going to have the designers kick off one of them but Vanessa??! They kicked off Vanessa??! After Nora had the tantrum of a 2 year-old, lied about how she didn't say anyone stole anything when she did, took time away from the project with her b*tching, AND kept crapping on Kevin when Kevin was following the specs the woman asked for - after all that they get rid of Vanessa??! PLEASE! The girl would have been gone so fast it would have made her head spin! I think she's one of the top designers but this was Kevin's project...not something to make her own. This was just the saddest episode there will ever be.
Vanessa if you ever read this, I hope someone out there takes note of you and gives you the chance you deserve because you were robbed in this episode!
Absolutely agree!!!! They kept Nora????? So? Vanessa said she couldn't sew? Sew, oops I mean so? And they kept Nora???? Oh, sorry I said that. Morons!!
Hey girl, it brought you out of lurking mode eh? Don't blame you, did you see that ****?! I was like, "WHAT THE...?!!"
Disgusted, I'm absolutely disgusted with the judges.
People, if you want to see what a woman who says she "can't sew" can REALLY do, check out her site:
http://www.vanessariley.com
It's a great site and you can even send a contact message!
viewertoo
January 6, 2005 - 07:59 AM
While all the designers have talent, I'm on Wendy's team. I think it's refreshing to see someone who is not only competent, mature, and hardworking but also someone who is no nonsense, focused, and self-sufficient. The other designers may make for good tv drama, but it's people like Wendy who make the grade in the real world, once the cameras stop rolling.
Cam23
January 6, 2005 - 08:19 AM
I agree with Tim's Take once again
HERE IS WHAT HE SAID
TEAM JAY
Team Jay included Kara and Robert. I called this team "The Professionals," because they all are just that; seasoned, experienced, mature (in a manner of speaking), cognizant of the role of compromise, and determined to make it work. As they worked together, I was continually impressed by their synergy and harmony — no strife, no consternation, just a steady move forward towards shared goals.
I applauded the team's inventive use of fabrics mdash; when I saw that pile of shredded fabric that would become the removable skirt, it looked like puke from Pee Wee's Playhouse and I thought, "uh-oh", but they transformed it into something truly fabulous. In fact, the skirt transitions into a pom-pom-like accessory, which is quite wonderful. Furthermore, the leather bodice (executed by Kara) with its feather sleeve-caps is a work of art all on its own.
As I watched Erin work the look on the runway, I thought, "Yes, it's probably too goth for the occasion, and, yes, it exudes a certain fetishistic sexuality that may not be what Sarah's after…but Vivienne Westwood, eat your heart out!"
HERE IS WHAT I THINK
I think the designers going for the final three will be:
JAY
KARA
KEVIN
NORA
While Austin is a good designer, he's attention to detail is lacking, all his dresses seem slightly unfinshed and too theatrical. There is COUTURE, then there is THEATRE. I think Austin is TOO theatre.
I think Kevin, Kara, and Jay will be the designers that could make an AMAZING line for fashin week.
paillette
January 6, 2005 - 08:54 AM
I have been a little skeptical about Austin for a while, but he really annoyed me last night. Again, I want to stress that I don't deny his obvious talent, but it bugs me that everyone here views him as some kind of hero.
First he begins theatrically sobbing, "Oh, I'd rather go myself!"
Seconds later, he's selling out Vanessa. And do you all know why?
BECAUSE VANESSA IS WAY MORE TALENTED THAN WENDY! Austin shrewdly, calculatedly, coldly eliminated the greater threat.
And then he has the gall to make himself over into the victim by sobbing on the couch while the camera should be on Vanessa's goodbye.
Does he go and hug her? NO
Does he ask for her forgiveness or understanding? NO
Does he even say goodbye to her? NO
Instead, he asks for comfort and attention from the others when Vanessa is still stunned and trying to come to grips with what has just happened.
Just because Austin doesn't let the camera see his conniving, like Wendy, doesn't mean he ain't cold. Wake up people.
AuntieKrabby
January 6, 2005 - 09:30 AM
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I agree with Tim's Take once again
HERE IS WHAT HE SAID
TEAM JAY
Team Jay included Kara and Robert. I called this team "The Professionals," because they all are just that; seasoned, experienced, mature (in a manner of speaking), cognizant of the role of compromise, and determined to make it work. As they worked together, I was continually impressed by their synergy and harmony — no strife, no consternation, just a steady move forward towards shared goals.
I can't understand how he can say all of this and yet say that he didn't see much of the problems that Kevin's team had all night.
He was either there to see this stuff or not.
runway
January 6, 2005 - 09:47 AM
....I thought the show last nite was bizarre....a person who wants to be a pop singer and is not famous (meaning she has no track record in her own industry) should not be judging a fashion design contest...what do you all of you think?....also I DO NOT THINK ALEXANDRA IS A REAL CONTESTANT...NOTICE THE CAMERA IS NEVER ON HER...SHE IS NEVER PROFILED...SHE DOESN'T REALLY TALK...THERE MAY BE SOME KIND OF TRICK LIKE SHE IS A MOLE/HIDDEN JUDGE/HIDDEN CRITIC/HIDDEN DESIGNER....WHAT DO ALL OF YOU THINK?
runway
January 6, 2005 - 09:53 AM
.....YOU WERE RIGHT...THE CONTESTANT FROM ENGLAND WAS KICKED OFF THE SHOW...SHE WAS DIPLOMATIC AND DECIDED NOT TO BACKSTAB IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS...I THINK OTHER CULTURES ARE NOT INTO THAT KIND OF RUTHLESS-LIKE BEHAVIOR...SHE HAS A PROFESSIONAL WEBSITE AND BUSINESS ANYHOW OUT OF TEXAS, SO LIKE SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T REALLY CARE ANYWAY....IT WAS COOL HOW SHE SAID, "CAN I GO NOW" SHOWING SHE WASN'T INTERESTED IN THE HYPE OF THE ELONGATED ELIMINATION....WHAT DO ALL OF YOU THINK?
runway
January 6, 2005 - 09:54 AM
....WELL AS YOU CAN SEE THE CONTESTANT FROM ENGLAND WAS KICKED OFF....
girlinagogo
January 6, 2005 - 09:59 AM
I love, love, love this show. So here are my thoughts on last night. I thought Jay's design was clearly the strongest. It was striking and very well executed. However, I agree with Tim's take that it looked a little fetishistic (is that even a word?). It also seemed a little Pink"ish" (meaning the singer and not the color). That girl Sarah just didn't seem to have that hard edge. But since the theme was rock and roll, I thought Jay really rose to the top. Kevin's dress just seemed like a mess and the color was terrible for Sarah. I think he should have been taken to task for that by the judges. And I don't know where he got Edwardian circus/insane asylum. That dress screamed 1983 dance party to me. I just laughed when I saw Austin's dress. I thought it was an interesting idea, but it didn't communicate to me- broken Victorian doll with an edge, which is what he said he was going for. I didn't mind the design so much, but I think a more striking color would have really been a nice juxtaposition to the period design of the garment.
So who do you all think will be in the final three? My guess is Jay- I'm not sure he's the best, but he has a focused vision and style and he's made the strongest impression on me, Kara- she's probably the most versatile and the most skilled technician, and Kevin- his style screams commercial to me, like the heir apparent to Calvin Klein or Donna Karan.
Istya
January 6, 2005 - 10:01 AM
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I have been a little skeptical about Austin for a while, but he really annoyed me last night. Again, I want to stress that I don't deny his obvious talent, but it bugs me that everyone here views him as some kind of hero.
First he begins theatrically sobbing, "Oh, I'd rather go myself!"
Seconds later, he's selling out Vanessa. And do you all know why?
BECAUSE VANESSA IS WAY MORE TALENTED THAN WENDY! Austin shrewdly, calculatedly, coldly eliminated the greater threat.
And then he has the gall to make himself over into the victim by sobbing on the couch while the camera should be on Vanessa's goodbye.
Does he go and hug her? NO
Does he ask for her forgiveness or understanding? NO
Does he even say goodbye to her? NO
Instead, he asks for comfort and attention from the others when Vanessa is still stunned and trying to come to grips with what has just happened.
Just because Austin doesn't let the camera see his conniving, like Wendy, doesn't mean he ain't cold. Wake up people.
Well it's hard to judge his character, since we only get shown snippets. How do we know he didn't say good-by to Vanessa? If he had, they probably wouldn't show it, because it wouldn't make him look like a jerk, and reality tv is all about exploiting people with convienent assemblages of footage.
I hate Wendy, and I like Vanessa alot. BUT I think Austin made the right decision *for that particular challenge.* Wendy is usually complaining and such, but last night, she kept her mouth shut, and did exactly what the team leader told her, which was very smart on her part because being a good worker means being a good team player. I hate to say it, but Vanessa wasn't winning any points with Austin by critisizing his design- like when she made fun of the bow. Again, I'd rather have Wendy off any day (she only said Austin because he's a bigger threat and she knew she'd look like a [expletive deleted] if she picked Vanessa), but I can definitely see why Vanessa was a weaker team member.
And even if Austin is cold- which a reality tv show is hardly a good representation of- that doesn't mean anything. He's a damn good designer, and that's what counts.
Skip7400
January 6, 2005 - 10:07 AM
Get back stabbn Wendy outta there.............Austin is the best...............
paillette
January 6, 2005 - 10:16 AM
Istya, you've got a double standard going here. IS Austin the only one here whose representation on the show is edited?
I just found it the height of hypocrisy for his to engage in this series of actions:
1-Say with a choked sob that you'd rather go yourself.
2-Immediately thereafter select the more talented of the 2 competitors that you have the opportunity to eliminate -- and the only one who actually DID select herself in preference to another person (the irony is palpable!)
3-Proceed to make a spectacle of yourself backstage in order to hog camera time, attention, the comfort of the others, all at a time when that comforting should be given to the REAL person who was in need of it, Vanessa.
I'm actually a little surprised that PR allowed a contestant the power to eliminate a rival.
Think of it this way: Austin was ranked poorly in this decision as well as the last one. He might fear he's in trouble.
Suddenly, he has an amazing opprtunity: with $100,000 and a fashion week show on the line, he can pre-emptively eliminate one other contestant.
Who's he gonna pick? Obviously the more talented rival.
Quite frankly, he'd be foolish to act otherwise (like Vanessa, in fact!). But to then go on with the sobbing and victimhood scene was really crossing the line into very poor taste.
Don't delude yourself that he's some mild-mannered sweetie. He's just more careful than Wendy not to let it show.
jellybean
January 6, 2005 - 10:20 AM
I think Austin's move to say that Vanessa was weaker was a strong strategic choice!! We know Wendy is not that good, so if she sticks around, the others will look better. I hope Wendy gets chopped next.
Istya
January 6, 2005 - 10:26 AM
Of course he's not the only one whose representation is edited! And I never said he was winning any personality contests. But you can't say he's a jerk either, because a tv show is no way to judge. Yeah, the crying thing was long and drawn-out, but so was Nora's. And so was Vanessa's singing. Personally, I don't care much about anyone's peronalities, because I know they're not true. For that, I like Austin because I like his designs.
Who do you think was the weakest on their team? As much as I like Vanessa, it was her. So why would Austin say himself? Again, no one's getting any rewards for being nice. Vanessa was right to say she was weakest- because she was. And so Austin was also right. It sucks that it had to effect the judges decision, but why shouldn't the weakest person on the weakest team be voted off? (I'm assuming they excluded Nora because her team's design won; plus, she's proved to cause some "drama.")
Maybe he would rather have gone, or maybe not. But he didn't, because he knew that he wasn't the weakest. I think the judges were stupid to let that matter...but I don't think Austin had anything to do with it. If Austin had said Wendy, Vanessa still would have been off. Frankly, I think they knew who they were going to kick off all along, they just did the voting thing to be dramatic. It's stupid, but that's reality tv.
Istya
January 6, 2005 - 10:27 AM
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I think Austin's move to say that Vanessa was weaker was a strong strategic choice!! We know Wendy is not that good, so if she sticks around, the others will look better. I hope Wendy gets chopped next.
But Wendy was good this week- it's weird to say because I really can't stand her, but it's true. For once, she shut up and did was she was told. That's better than someone who critiques the head designer's design and wastes time by singing songs to aggrevate other teams.
runway
January 6, 2005 - 10:29 AM
....THE WAY THE SHOW IS TURNING OUT IT WILL BE KARA AND JAY IN THE FINALS.... I WILL BE SHOCKED IF IT ISN'T....Robert is too up and down, Nora has shown herself to be too emotional, Wendy is talentless and an unkind person, Alexandra I don't think is a real contestant but some sort of hidden judge/designer, Austin is emotional too...what do you think?