An anthropologist? Huh? What's the basis for that? A class in a 2-yr college?
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You don't believe Austin? You don't believe Jay? You don't believe Kara? You don't believe what Wendy herself says about trashing Kevin? Who do you believe?
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An anthropologist? Huh? What's the basis for that? A class in a 2-yr college?
Perhaps it's experience being a dinosaur of a designer.
Part of it's up now. Sorry about before! austinscarlett.com
yay most of the links are working now too!!
and his email is austin@austinscarlett.com
the contact link from the homepage doesnt work, but from the other pages it does.
yay!
i love austin!
the contact link from the homepage doesnt work, but from the other pages it does.
yay!
i love austin!
argh-- the link works and pulls up that email address, but then my email was returned. so maybe it doesnt work yet. hmmm.
found this article about jay:
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=...id=455154&rfi=6
it says he was on The View this week. DId anyone see it? Was he hilarious and wonderful?
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=...id=455154&rfi=6
it says he was on The View this week. DId anyone see it? Was he hilarious and wonderful?
Ooooh, thanks for posting that. To be completely honest, I'd seen alot of the photos from the show here and there, but I had a lot trouble telling whose creations from whose. But aside from that, my spidey sense is telling me that Jay could very well be the winner, if the reunion show was filmed after fashion week. Did anyone notice that he seemed alot more confident and I don't know, regal in a noblesse oblige sort of way lol? I can't quite put my finger on it, but there was a change for me.
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Slightly off-track, but relevant to the design/art discussion, I think: Do fashion designers create new fabrics? Or is that the province of chemists and scientists?
I know that designers create new prints on existing fabrics - but who says, "There hasn't been a 500-count cotton sheet yet, let's do that!" or "I want a fabric that has the stretch of Lycra, but the touch-texture of a satin; let's make one."
This is an interesting question about the fabrics; I know little about the answer (there are people who specialize in fabric design who are not actually fashion designers), but I do know that Issey Miyaki is known for innovation as far as materials. Any FD's on the board know the answer to this? As a graphic designer, I know there are about a million fonts out there created by people, but mostly, the process of designing one and having it produced at a foundry and patented, etc. is a very specialized job in the industry. Seems there are many ways to get exactly what you need - though as far as invention, don't know. There are some amazing Japanese fabric artists out there (and many other textile artists as well) who could be worth checking out.
As far as the other discussions on the board, I too felt some sympathy and interest towards Wendy in the beginning, but I became saddened and irritated by her behavior. Also, to whoever said that no one else got asked about Kevin's leadership - actually, Kara was asked about it, and her answer was diplomatic, from what I remember. It's amazing to me still how much everyone on this board assumes from a few hours of footage as filtered through the genius of editing and production.
Certainly not an FD, but I've seen shows on television about fabric designers, and how they present their "lines" to designers for potential use. But I would think there would be some specialty work there. As you said, where the designer/house would say we're looking for such and such for next season or whatever, and the fabric designers would try to create that vision.
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Ooooh, interesting point! I'll have to look if I see that episode again... on Monday.
But say, for example, she didn't use the fabric she took from Kara's table. Does that still make it right?....
In the purest sense, if Wendy's actions meant that Kara Saun did not have/could not get as much of that fabric as she wanted because Wendy took it, then Wendy stole from KS.
I see four possibilities as to what actually happened:
-(a) Wendy took the fabric from KS' table to use for comparison, but didn't buy any. Net result: KS is ticked off, but otherwise unharmed. (The relationship between KS and W was so bad by that point that KS would have to have been extremely naive to believe that W would have asked her for anything.)
-(Wendy took the fabric, bought some, but didn't use it, and there was more than enough for KS to get what she wanted. Net result: KS is royally ticked off, but otherwise unharmed. (This one is what I think happened, if I remember it accurately.)
-© Wendy took the fabric, bought some, and used it, and there was still more than enough for KS to get what she wanted. Net result: KS is ballistic, the judges may have wondered why they saw the same fabric twice on the runway - but no way would they have considered the possibility that KS' work was derivative of Wendy's - so other than the change in blood pressure, KS is still unharmed. (This may have violated one of the unwritten rules in the design field, though. Something on the order of "Thou shalt not even think of using the same fabric as a fellow competitor, nor even one that could be mistaken for it.")
-(d) Wendy took the fabric, bought some, and what was left was insufficient for KS' design, forcing her to revamp the design and settle for making those awful leather pants. *That* would be stealing, as well as an unconscionable interference with another competitor (something like doping a horse in the Kentucky Derby).
The way most people have been writing about the incident, you'd think that (d) is what happened. But KS never accused her of that (which you think she would have), and Tim, while unhappy about the incident, didn't indicate any unforgivable behavior in his commentary.
Well said. Of course, I'm sure you understand that in any of the scenarios..including those where there was no harm against Kara, the moral issue still stands. In other words what I'm trying to say is that if a burglar breaks into your house, steals your things, and you are reimbursed by insurance...sure you weren't harmed per se. But weren't you still violated? And isn't that the rationale that many criminals use in order to rationalize their crimes against others i.e. oh, it won't hurt them, I need it more than they do, etc. etc. etc.
I don't remember Wendy giving her put down looks until after she said that Austin's leadership was wanting and Austin then went on a " I hate Wendy" jag. So if you were being treated like a parasite wouldn't you become defensive? Where was Austin's professionalism when this happened and say this is not going to bother him and go on with his job? Instead he starts bad talking Wendy and sets the stage for events to come.
I also disagree with the aspect that they are professionals and don't need a leader - I am not a designer nor know anything about the fashion world other than it is a business but it is a business and as such I can't imagine Ralph or Calvin not putting deadlines on his employees and not getting upset if the deadlines are not made and directions not followed about how they want their designs to be accomplished. Wendy was asked by the judges about how they thought the leaders did - and she was honest in her opinion - she was professional in her words and thoughts and because she was honest and didn't lie or say what she thought would be PC she gets crucified.
And yes this is TV - so with that in mind the judges and the producers are deciding who is going to win probably from the beginning and good TV is apart of it - in any reality TV show that is true - but the contestants don't know that or they choose to forget it - they came into it wanting to get to fashion week so if she relied on playing the game it is because she wanted to get to the end - which she did.
I also remember the Nora meltdown and Vanesa going off and Jay saying people are b------ so I am not sure that all the designers just let comments roll off their backs.
I also disagree with the aspect that they are professionals and don't need a leader - I am not a designer nor know anything about the fashion world other than it is a business but it is a business and as such I can't imagine Ralph or Calvin not putting deadlines on his employees and not getting upset if the deadlines are not made and directions not followed about how they want their designs to be accomplished. Wendy was asked by the judges about how they thought the leaders did - and she was honest in her opinion - she was professional in her words and thoughts and because she was honest and didn't lie or say what she thought would be PC she gets crucified.
And yes this is TV - so with that in mind the judges and the producers are deciding who is going to win probably from the beginning and good TV is apart of it - in any reality TV show that is true - but the contestants don't know that or they choose to forget it - they came into it wanting to get to fashion week so if she relied on playing the game it is because she wanted to get to the end - which she did.
I also remember the Nora meltdown and Vanesa going off and Jay saying people are b------ so I am not sure that all the designers just let comments roll off their backs.
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Wendy was asked by the judges about how they thought the leaders did - and she was honest in her opinion - she was professional in her words and thoughts and because she was honest and didn't lie or say what she thought would be PC she gets crucified.
Read what she wrote on her website about this. She doesn't say, "I was honest and didn't lie." she says something quite different (and she wasn't very "professional" in her words or thoughts).
The following question is not directly aimed at you bunt but I wonder if when people read what she wrote on her website (especially about the last few challenges) would they still claim that she is so "honest"?
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I thought there would be one of these sooner:
http://quizilla.com/users/marmalady/quizzes
/Which%20Project%20Runway%20designer
%20are%20you%3F/
"You are AUSTIN! A mannered idealist, you are the consummate artiste (and you know what all these words mean)."
YYAAAAAYYY!!! Maybe this means I'll be as good as the masters at Renderosity someday!
I think that Kara Saun, Jay and Austin should have made it to the final three with Kara being the winner. She has done quite well in every competition.
I don't care too much for Wendy's clothes. The black dress that won her the Banana Republic competion was odd to say the least. I thought it was nice, but it wasn't better than Jay's, Austin's or Kara's dress.
Now, i'm not a huge Wendy fan, but I don't think that it's fair the way that the other designers are treating her. Last week's show was disturbing; their reaction towards her was disgraceful. She should have been at least civil towards her (even if they had to pretend).
Kara Saun (even though she's by far my favourite designer) really didn't win me over with her comments about Wendy needing her soul. It's a competition, not a sorority.
I think that she (Wendy) should have been eliminated a long time ago. She's just not as good as the other designers. Vanessa, I think has some deep rooted psychological issues. She's mean and immature.
I don't care too much for Wendy's clothes. The black dress that won her the Banana Republic competion was odd to say the least. I thought it was nice, but it wasn't better than Jay's, Austin's or Kara's dress.
Now, i'm not a huge Wendy fan, but I don't think that it's fair the way that the other designers are treating her. Last week's show was disturbing; their reaction towards her was disgraceful. She should have been at least civil towards her (even if they had to pretend).
Kara Saun (even though she's by far my favourite designer) really didn't win me over with her comments about Wendy needing her soul. It's a competition, not a sorority.
I think that she (Wendy) should have been eliminated a long time ago. She's just not as good as the other designers. Vanessa, I think has some deep rooted psychological issues. She's mean and immature.
I will never understand why Wendy didn't get the boot during the 1st episode. The challenge was to make something for evening wear. Candy isn't evening wear.
OK ok,,Starr's was pretty bad to...but Wendy please...that wasn't even an outfit.
OK ok,,Starr's was pretty bad to...but Wendy please...that wasn't even an outfit.
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Yeah, that's one episode I want to see again. (No, I'm not defending Wendy, just wondering about another aspect of this scene).
I seem to recall Kara Saun seeing her pick up the fabric.
Why on earth didn't Kara Saun just go back and say excuse me but I'm using this? Why all the drama? She does the childish comment instead of just taking the bloody thing back in the first place and confronting directly. Wimpy!
I don't think the comment was childish but yes, she was wimpy in that she didn't just walk up and take it back like some of us here would have done. Don't know, maybe she was trying to hold a professional demeanor in front of the cameras but I don't think anyone would have thought bad of her for just walking up, saying, "I picked this out and laid it with my fabrics", and taking it out of her hands.
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As for the Kevin bashing -- granted Wendy should have told him off stage during the process or at least more tactfully to the judges (though that may have been hard to do) but it wasn't anything Kara and Jay both said behind Kevin's back. Or what the judges said themselves.
"Tactfully", you penned it perfectly! If Wendy had expressed her opinion to the judges with more tact instead of a full set of claws, and if she had exhibited better behavior beforehand, then I think there would have been less anger directed toward her.
I think Daniel's mouth got him kicked out after the 1st challenge.
The way he dissed Tim...I was shocked!!!
The way he dissed Tim...I was shocked!!!
Jay's fashions are HOT!,,,Very cutting edge.
I was floored when Wendy said she couldn't make bikini bottoms,,,,My goodness.
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and his email is austin@austinscarlett.com
the contact link from the homepage doesnt work, but from the other pages it does.
yay!
i love austin!
YYYAAAAYYYYY!!! I'm going to look for his store when I'm in NYC next time - with money!
Of all the designers on the show, I disliked Vanessa the most. She was mean and immature.
Wendy, I think isn't a bad person, just desperate. I really can't see what she did that makes the other designers hate her so.
Did I miss something? It's a competition, not a sorority.
Wendy, I think isn't a bad person, just desperate. I really can't see what she did that makes the other designers hate her so.
Did I miss something? It's a competition, not a sorority.
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Did I miss something?
Read what she wrote on her website especially for the last several challenges. Also, you may want to read Austin's interview in the Advocate.
You hit the nail on the head. Wendy IS just lucky! Her attitude stinks.
I never dreamed a show about Fashion would include an [censored] like Wendy acting as if it's Survivor!
I never dreamed a show about Fashion would include an [censored] like Wendy acting as if it's Survivor!
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Wendy was asked by the judges about how they thought the leaders did - and she was honest in her opinion - she was professional in her words and thoughts and because she was honest and didn't lie or say what she thought would be PC she gets crucified.
Read what she wrote on her website about this. She doesn't say, "I was honest and didn't lie." she says something quite different (and she wasn't very "professional" in her words or thoughts).
The following question is not directly aimed at you bunt but I wonder if when people read what she wrote on her website (especially about the last few challenges) would they still claim that she is so "honest"?
Of course they'd still claim her as being "honest" - there was a cruise special on de Nile and it brought in a boatload of passengers.
Actually, that was my point. They all made critical comments about each other. I remember on the show - Jay?? (not sure) calling Austin's designs costumey. Many critical comments were made. But, they still kept their dignity, maintained a bond and seemed to get along. With the exception of Wendy. So, what is your explanation for that? Did they just pick her to pick on?
Also, the judges themselves were critical of Wendy bashing her leaders. I've never worked in a position where I've wanted someone looking over my shoulder constantly. It tells me something that she criticized both leaders in the same way. Maybe she needs more supervision. But, the others did just fine with their creations. Also, Austin got what he wanted out of his team. He was happy. Isn't that the point? As a leader, he got what he wanted. Kevin apparently got what he wanted. He was eliminated. Still, he got what he wanted. So, where is the problem? It is Wendy.
If you look at the websites and read the bios, these are already professionals. Give them some credit. At least, that is my take on it.
Also, the judges themselves were critical of Wendy bashing her leaders. I've never worked in a position where I've wanted someone looking over my shoulder constantly. It tells me something that she criticized both leaders in the same way. Maybe she needs more supervision. But, the others did just fine with their creations. Also, Austin got what he wanted out of his team. He was happy. Isn't that the point? As a leader, he got what he wanted. Kevin apparently got what he wanted. He was eliminated. Still, he got what he wanted. So, where is the problem? It is Wendy.
If you look at the websites and read the bios, these are already professionals. Give them some credit. At least, that is my take on it.
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Wendy was asked by the judges about how they thought the leaders did - and she was honest in her opinion - she was professional in her words and thoughts and because she was honest and didn't lie or say what she thought would be PC she gets crucified.
Read what she wrote on her website about this. She doesn't say, "I was honest and didn't lie." she says something quite different (and she wasn't very "professional" in her words or thoughts).
The following question is not directly aimed at you bunt but I wonder if when people read what she wrote on her website (especially about the last few challenges) would they still claim that she is so "honest"?
Of course they'd still claim her as being "honest" - there was a cruise special on de Nile and it brought in a boatload of passengers.
ROFLOL. Totally. It wasn't that she stated her opinion honestly to the judges, it was that she kissed up to Kevin during the challenge to make him think she was on his side, talked about him behind his back to camera about how she was going to gain his confidence in order to get him kicked off the show..and something about what a sap he was or some such? Totally paraphrasing the last part, but that's how I saw it. THEN in front of the judges said what a terrible leader Kevin was.
But I think you're right, Thoms. Trying to get anyone who doesn't want to to see Wendy's behavior as unnacceptable is like beating the dead horse. And in a way you can't really blame them, since compared to a show like survivor or big brother, most of her tactics were pretty tame...and in that arena she would have had her butt kicked to the curb pronto lol.
But that kind of behavior is what the general public "expects" ... no demands ... from these stupid reality shows. But in truth, they are nothing like reality. If you were in a professional situation i.e. a job, and your boss told you to work as a group with a group leader, and you knew things were going off track and didn't give any input to the group leader or assist him/her in executing the project, and then after the fact criticized and blamed the leader for the failure of the project...it would be your head that would roll, my friend. Not the team leader's.
At least that's one area where the apprentice shines, from what little I've seen of it. Omarosa may have gotten on the talk shows and a goofy little short-lived Burger King commercial out of being on the show...but she didn't get "the job" i.e. win. Maybe because Trump was putting up something a little more than money i.e. I think he may have felt his reputation as a businessperson was on the line as well. Something BR might have done well to consider before attaching it's name to this soap-opera level reality farce.
The rest of it was fun and fabulous though! Hopefully if there's another season they will build more on that than the other.
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I think Daniel's mouth got him kicked out after the 1st challenge.
The way he dissed Tim...I was shocked!!!
I don't remember this...will you remind me??
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Damn! I took the test again, and I'm Daniel. Again!
I'll trade you your Daniel for my Starr. I think I'm Starr because I chose the retro cherry print curtains.
My husband chose the retro cherry print, and somehow got Kara Saun! How are the combos working?! Actually, this is kinda fun! You know what, ericats, I actually really liked Starr during the show. She may have been a bit weepy, but she held her own, and has a classic movie star look about her. She may not have gone far on PR, but she'll perhaps go farther on her own in the fashion biz, especially in a place like NYC...
Thanks for the info. I sent him a note!
Luv ya Austin!
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An anthropologist? Huh? What's the basis for that? A class in a 2-yr college?
Perhaps it's experience being a dinosaur of a designer.
Hilarious! The anthropologist moniker is from Wendy herself. She mentions it on her site about how she's interested in people, blah blah blah. Can you imagine this woman doing field work?
LOL. Anthropology concerns the study of human societies, though -- like some tribe in Madagascar. That's where she ought to be sent. Maybe they'll like her "clothes."
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Kara and Jay are good. Austin is good to but it seems like he flat lined...sort of makes the same look almost every time.
He likes the synched middle look, nice but he needs to stretch...
He likes the synched middle look, nice but he needs to stretch...
okay does anyone know the commericial for BANANAH(as pronounced by heidi KLUM, aka glum)it goes,you never know when you meet some one they could be the one, and you wonder to yourself, you wonder to your slef, are you beautiful on the inside..., when you know the words to this song you are definatly a HARDCORE fan of project runway!!!!!!!!!
I think they should have taped the reunion show before telling the 3 who won, BUT I think if they did not you are right. If they hadn't taped that part yet, my guess would be that the "buzz" after his showing might have buoyed him considerably, too. The latter would be enough, though the former would be grand.
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okay does anyone know the commericial for BANANAH(as pronounced by heidi KLUM, aka glum)it goes,you never know when you meet some one they could be the one, and you wonder to yourself, you wonder to your slef, are you beautiful on the inside..., when you know the words to this song you are definatly a HARDCORE fan of project runway!!!!!!!!!
Oh, my gosh! Don't get me started! I hear that song in my head all the time! UUURRRRGGGHHHHH!
My email has not immediately come back. I did not use a link. I just went to my own composer and entered the address. Maybe that could cause a delay or maybe it works. I have to wait and see.
Luv ya Austin!
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Luv ya Austin!
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Wendy was asked by the judges about how they thought the leaders did - and she was honest in her opinion - she was professional in her words and thoughts and because she was honest and didn't lie or say what she thought would be PC she gets crucified.
Read what she wrote on her website about this. She doesn't say, "I was honest and didn't lie." she says something quite different (and she wasn't very "professional" in her words or thoughts).
The following question is not directly aimed at you bunt but I wonder if when people read what she wrote on her website (especially about the last few challenges) would they still claim that she is so "honest"?
Amen! The honesty labeled is so over-used when applied to Wendy. I'll admit that Tim and the judges had a hand in pushing Wendy to her "confession" of Kevin's leadership, but she could have been more diplomatic, like Kara Saun was. Wendy made it sound like Kevin was the sole person who decided against the pods, when in actuality, the whole group decided. It's not like Wendy had more time and could even make a pod, if she wanted. And, to have an episode where the leader is the most vulnerable is ridiculous! What a cheap set-up by PR!
A lot of posters seem to dislike Kevin because he didn't show good leadership on this one episode. That's a reason to dislike him? Is this because Americans love a good leader? And Wendy gets a free ride although she was devious throughout this show? That's why there's so much division on this board.
I took it again. I'm now Kara. Go figure.
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But that kind of behavior is what the general public "expects" ... no demands ... from these stupid reality shows. But in truth, they are nothing like reality. If you were in a professional situation i.e. a job, and your boss told you to work as a group with a group leader, and you knew things were going off track and didn't give any input to the group leader or assist him/her in executing the project, and then after the fact criticized and blamed the leader for the failure of the project...it would be your head that would roll, my friend. Not the team leader's.
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At least that's one area where the apprentice shines, from what little I've seen of it. Omarosa may have gotten on the talk shows and a goofy little short-lived Burger King commercial out of being on the show...but she didn't get "the job" i.e. win. Maybe because Trump was putting up something a little more than money i.e. I think he may have felt his reputation as a businessperson was on the line as well. Something BR might have done well to consider before attaching it's name to this soap-opera level reality farce.
I've never seen The Apprentice - wait, once for the QE guys - but if Trump is playing his hand to keep the business aspect of the show as straight as possible, then I give him high props!
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The rest of it was fun and fabulous though! Hopefully if there's another season they will build more on that than the other.
I haven't been so addicted to a show since I first laid eyes on QE (which is my religion, lol)
Yeah, and Jay called Austin's outfit for the "Reunion" show a doily. I liked it and I hate doilies.
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Of course they'd still claim her as being "honest" - there was a cruise special on de Nile and it brought in a boatload of passengers.
But that kind of behavior is what the general public "expects" ... no demands ... from these stupid reality shows. But in truth, they are nothing like reality. If you were in a professional situation i.e. a job, and your boss told you to work as a group with a group leader, and you knew things were going off track and didn't give any input to the group leader or assist him/her in executing the project, and then after the fact criticized and blamed the leader for the failure of the project...it would be your head that would roll, my friend. Not the team leader's.
My point exactly. I've used the job analogy in previous posts. If you had to critique a fellow co-worker, is Wendy's attack on Kevin a prime example of how it's done? Although Kevin was eliminated, the whole incident did not make Wendy look like a champ. i've been in this situation at work, and we could not bring ourselves to critique a peer the way Wendy did to Kevin. What is the world coming to, if this woman is lauded for her reprehensible behavior?
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okay does anyone know the commericial for BANANAH(as pronounced by heidi KLUM, aka glum)it goes,you never know when you meet some one they could be the one, and you wonder to yourself, you wonder to your slef, are you beautiful on the inside..., when you know the words to this song you are definatly a HARDCORE fan of project runway!!!!!!!!!
Check out the music thread here in the forum. They have the name of the artist who sings it posted there and Biff, the one who makes the music for the show, has posted there. We asked him about making a cd - I think he's trying to get it together!
Tim was asking Daniel about his butcher paper/aluminum foil creation (yech) and Daniel told him, in essence, "I'd like to talk more, but I have important things to do." OUCH. Thereby, I'm sure, signing his own death warrant. It was way uglier than it sounds here, too--body language was very dismissive, he came off as pompous and arrogant and very much impressed with his own design credo (trans: BS). He lasted just about the right amount of time.
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<sigh> My attempt at irony went astray.
If the original poster believed that the only way someone would support Wendy would be to either be a personal friend or relative, and is unwilling to believe that anyone else with Internet and cable or satellite TV access would do so, then it indicates that the same person would believe the same about anything else in pop culture (including a presidential election).
It's the same kind of short-sightedness that has a good chunk of the country squalling, "What happened???!?" after the last election. And the answer is real simple - I exist. I vote. And I am not alone.
It continues to amaze me that the people who trash Wendy and her designs unabashedly seem to think that, not only are they "right", but that anyone who expresses a different viewpoint is a "plant" or a fraud in some way. Can we spell "diversity"?
I believe the reason most of us think Wendy defendys are either relatives or plants is that we are incredulous that anyone would support someone who has shown herself to be a two-faced backstabbing sleazeball. Did we see the same show? Granted some of Wendy's deviousness were due to editing but in her private interviews she clearly admitted to playing mind games with the other designers in order to get into FW. I'm all about diversity but not when it comes to celebrating the mean spirited duplicitous side of human nature.
Well, here's the thing that I keep choking over in some of the posts - I don't like name-calling. Maybe because I was one of the kids who (once upon a time) got stuck with a lot of names. So I don't like being called a "Wendy defendy" (and you notice the people who do indicate some support for Wendy don't name-call those who trash her) and I also think that "two-faced backstabbing sleazeball" drops squarely in the zone of name-calling.
As to the rest, I've watched the show from the get-go, and I've read the stuff on Wendy's website. I think part of the reason I see it differently is that I have also had the training to listen/read objectively - and to know when my personal "stuff" is getting in the way of an objective perspective.
And as for diversity, I wasn't talking about celebrating the ugly side of human behavior (and it is behavior of which we are all capable, whether or not we admit it, or whether or not we choose to indulge in it), I was talking about valuing another person's perspective and trying to learn from it. Some of the more interesting conversations I've had in my life have come from setting aside the anger and frustration I was feeling at the time, and simply asking the question, "How do you see it that way?" Regardless of the topic, when I truly began to understand the other point of view, regardless of how foreign it was to me initially, I have learned to appreciate more and more the differences in humans, and the similarities, as well.
C'mon lighten up! This is a message board where fans come to voice their opinions...good or bad. Ok so I called Wendy a "two-faced backstabbing sleazeball" but that's how I see it. If she acted with honor and class I would have called her an angel. My point is we are all fans of the show so let's just enjoy a frank and contentious discussion and leave the censorship up to the Bravo BoardBoss.
Fieldwork, huh? Yeah, I could see the natives making her a ritualistic sacrifice! That'd appease more than a few gods...lol.
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I took it again. I'm now Kara. Go figure.
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What'd you pick? I picked: purple, floral curtains, QE and Lucy, creativity, and tap shoes...can't remember the rest. AND those were my honest answers without changing anything
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Oh I don't have any problems with the Wendy bashing. After watching the Envy episode for the first time two days ago, I just decided she wasn't worth defending (my favorites are Jay and Nora). I just think that everybody's opinions are of the same value. If Wendy fans want to say that her designs are impeccable, that has the same value as those who say Wendy's designs are despicable.
I wonder how exactly Morgan would have acted if she had shown. She has a lot of nerve asking for a written promise that the producers won't make her look bad. Say, Vanessa could have used one of those, no?
I think Vanessa made herself look bad. The very first thing she did in the reunion room was snipe at Wendy before she even sat down. She was obviously drunk. In fact, in retrospect she looks like a chronic alkie in all of the apartment outtakes, and I wouldn't be surprised if she was drunk in the workroom screeching all that so-called singing in an already tense atmosphere. Maybe she thought it was amusing, but you heard what Jay said...."[expletive deleted] is gonna get stabbed!"
And I would suspect that Ms. Diahhrea of the Mouth was just a little on the tipsy side when giving that completely un-self-edited phone interview. Her incomprehension of the damage to herself of trashing not only the show and everyone on it, but her own city of Houston and her own clientele...I can only wonder if she was in a blackout at the time.
This is my own opinion, of course, and Vanessa would almost certainly dispute it, but it's all so typical of a messy drunk. No "letter agreement" could have protected her from her self-inflicted character assassination in that reunion show.
(If she's not an alcoholic, I can only conclude she's an even greater narcissist than Wendy, and that's quite a reach.)
I picked purple the first time, silver the second (I like both). I think I went with the floral. Maybe the ripped jeans made me Nora and the miniskirt made me Kara. I'd have to look at the quiz again to figure out where I went "wrong." LOL. But somewhere between Nora and Kara might be about right. Not sure how Austin fits in, except he's more "out there" sometimes than Kara but more aesthetically conventional than Nora. No?
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