The Brits and Europeans in general drink A LOT more than Americans. Daily in fact. I spent about a year in a college environment over there and my liver got quite a workout from the people I hung around. At one point, I had 10 drinks in about an hour. I did black out part of that evening and did something I would nver have done sober. I got annoyed at someone else's PDA and said "how would YOU like it?" -- and proceeded to lick the guy's face. Or so I was told. I have no idea myself.
I don't think Vanessa was wrong but holy cow it was done badly.
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wouldn't you know it. i'm a kevin...the first time when i was trying to be honest...the description made me laugh though..
"You are KEVIN! A definite introvert, you work best when you work alone. And you totally drew that mustache on Wendy's picture! "
....lies!!lies!!its all lies....
....(kisses kevin, we're soulmates afterall)
"You are KEVIN! A definite introvert, you work best when you work alone. And you totally drew that mustache on Wendy's picture! "
....lies!!lies!!its all lies....
....(kisses kevin, we're soulmates afterall)
Kevin's getting a sizable vote in the poll of "whodunit" but not more than Wendy. My top 3 candidates are (in no order): Wendy, PR staffer and a model (specifically Morgan). Kevin to me is in the middle of the pack in terms of suspects. I think he's more likely than Kara/Jay/Austin/Rob but that's it. Kevin's more a suspect to me because I can't eliminate him, whereas the personalities of the other present designers makes them unlikely imo. That's where the "enigma" of Kevin comes back. We already know about Wendy and Morgan and I understand some of the PR staff really disliked Wendy. Kevin coulda been set up by whomever filmed his departure previous to the USPS challenge.
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well, i suppose i can't completely rule out kevin because of time and place, but i just don't feel that he did it. a mustache? on a picture? the entire concept is so elementary school, i don't see it even occuring to kevin, it seems like if he were going to be devious, he would have been much more clever about it. i personally think it was the production crew or morgan. but my instincts really tell me that it was a set up.
I HATE WENDY!!!! If she wins I will VOMIT!!!! She is a crazy biznatch I cannot believe she even made it to the finals!!!! In the end she will get what's coming to her.
I think Jay is an excellent designer. He is so funny and one of the reasons why I watch the show because he makes me laugh. I hope he reads this and if he does I just want him to know that I am rooting for him! Jay U ROCK!!!
Interesting. But why, then, were her designs on PR all outdated as well (Excpet I liked her wedding dress). Anyway, you can take the girl outta Virginia but you can't take the Virginia out of the girl!
Did you notice how in the Grammy Dress challenge Wendy basically reconstructed the top that Ms. Access Hollywood was wearing when they had their little directive talk at the beginning of the show? And she won, why, because she made something she new the chick would wear...as she saw her wearing it before she "designed" her dress. Totally frustrated with that one!
Did you notice how in the Grammy Dress challenge Wendy basically reconstructed the top that Ms. Access Hollywood was wearing when they had their little directive talk at the beginning of the show? And she won, why, because she made something she new the chick would wear...as she saw her wearing it before she "designed" her dress. Totally frustrated with that one!
HEY!! I found a picture of Nancy O'Dell in the Wendy dress at the Grammys:
http://protosheigh.typepad.com/protosheigh/2005/02/
damn_you_nancy_.html
(It doesn't look the same as the Runway show at ALL!!)
Also if you're really greedy for spoilers check out --
http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.as...=1&sfld=&nbc1=1
Can't wait til Wednesday!
http://protosheigh.typepad.com/protosheigh/2005/02/
damn_you_nancy_.html
(It doesn't look the same as the Runway show at ALL!!)
Also if you're really greedy for spoilers check out --
http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.as...=1&sfld=&nbc1=1
Can't wait til Wednesday!
I'm a cheater...so i went and looked at the pics. I had seen austin's before but not alot of anyone elses.
I hate to say it...i really truely do. But i sortof liked wendy's more than kara's. I mean, Wendy's were boring and normal. But they did not feel like the normal crap that she makes. And Kara's seemed TOO kara...like I had seen it all a hundred times from her. I was impressed with Jay's. Maybe it will seem different when I see them walking and such.
Wednesday is not far now!!
I hate to say it...i really truely do. But i sortof liked wendy's more than kara's. I mean, Wendy's were boring and normal. But they did not feel like the normal crap that she makes. And Kara's seemed TOO kara...like I had seen it all a hundred times from her. I was impressed with Jay's. Maybe it will seem different when I see them walking and such.
Wednesday is not far now!!
and kara's did not feel like a collection to me...that is it...i forgot to say that before.
I totally agree with you... watching the marathon today makes me want to tell Wendy that the Loreal hair and makeup room called and they want her to take a visit... she should have taken some makeup tips from Austin... she would have looked much better!
AND...casue i am bored and have nothing better to do...I cannot get the link for the "which PR designer are you" quiz to work. I have even tried jsut going to quizilla and can't do that either...HELP!
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Ooooh, interesting point! I'll have to look if I see that episode again... on Monday.
But say, for example, she didn't use the fabric she took from Kara's table. Does that still make it right?....
In the purest sense, if Wendy's actions meant that Kara Saun did not have/could not get as much of that fabric as she wanted because Wendy took it, then Wendy stole from KS.
I see four possibilities as to what actually happened:
-(a) Wendy took the fabric from KS' table to use for comparison, but didn't buy any.
-(Wendy took the fabric, bought some, but didn't use it, and there was more than enough for KS to get what she wanted.
-© Wendy took the fabric, bought some, and used it, and there was still more than enough for KS to get what she wanted.
-(d) Wendy took the fabric, bought some, and what was left was insufficient for KS' design, forcing her to revamp the design and settle for making those awful leather pants. *That* would be stealing....
The way most people have been writing about the incident, you'd think that (d) is what happened. But KS never accused her of that (which you think she would have), and Tim, while unhappy about the incident, didn't indicate any unforgivable behavior in his commentary.
Well said. Of course, I'm sure you understand that in any of the scenarios..including those where there was no harm against Kara, the moral issue still stands....
I don't see it that way. I don't think the theft/replacement through insurance analogy fits - unless you believe that, under no circumstances, should Wendy have touched anything on KS' table inside the store. If your argument is that removing the bolt of fabric equals theft, I'd have to disagree. Poor manners, yes. But if KS got it back (note, the same fabric, not a replacement as argued by the insurance analogy) soon enough to get what she needed and not impact her design at all, then it wasn't theft. Rude, inconsiderate, possibly even malicious mind-game-playing, sure. But not theft.
Same goes for the shopping-cart analogy. Assume for a moment that there is plenty of whatever it is available in the store - say calcium-fortified vanilla Soymilk. If I put it in my cart, but haven't paid for it yet, and you come along and take the stuff out of my cart - and don't bring it back to me (as if I'd accept it back), I'll be irritated, sure. But as long as I can get what I need (in this case, I'd head back to the dairy case to get what I wanted), I would just think you were someone I wanted to avoid, and get on with life.
However, once we're outside the store, and I have paid for that particular carton of milk with my own money, then it is mine, all mine, and nobody better touch it without an invitation.
There's also another difference in the grocery store analogy to the fabric store.... In the real world, if you go shopping for fabric, it is not uncommon for multiple people to want some of the same fabric. The general unwritten rule is that whoever gets there first gets all of what they want, and the next person can then have as much as they want, etc. In other words, form a line. Wendy jumped the line - but it still comes back to this: if KS got all she wanted/needed for her design, then - bottom line - she lost nothing. (And theft, by definition, is a loss.)
ok, ppl who want to contact austin:
if you click on the contact LINK on his site, your mail will bounce back because it fills out the email as Austin@AustinScarlett.com. BUT if you just type the address into a message in ALL LOWER CASE, it does not get bounced back.
at least, this is what i have deduced thus far =)
yay marathon! my VCR is getting a total workout!
if you click on the contact LINK on his site, your mail will bounce back because it fills out the email as Austin@AustinScarlett.com. BUT if you just type the address into a message in ALL LOWER CASE, it does not get bounced back.
at least, this is what i have deduced thus far =)
yay marathon! my VCR is getting a total workout!
Yeah, I think he's a little "too old" for it. I have a hard time thinking he did it. He is kinda passive aggressive but that's a little petty and stupid. I couldn't believe Heidi and Tim kinda singled him out and Vanessa was made to look witchy for suggesting Wendy did it herself. Given what we've seen of Wendy, it's a legitimate option. Enough viewers think so, too, since she's "winning" at the moment. I think the staffer, Morgan and Wendy are all pretty neck and neck, tho.
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Jay, if you are out there reading...I LOVE YOU JAY!!!! You rock! You are hilarious! Where is your store? My partner and I think you are awesome! Much Love!
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Wendy ... she should have taken some makeup tips from Austin... she would have looked much better!
In the previews for this week's show during the fight scene she is wearing her hair a l'Austin and I have to admit it the look is quite flattering to her.
I tell ya, if the Bravo people wanted drama, I woulda given 'em it. If what woman had tried to steal something on my table or interfered with me directly, I woulda knocked her into next week. I woulda been at my snarling best. The more I see it, I think that's the only way to back her off. So I don't blame Kara for whatever she said or possibly did.
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I sooo luv him! If I get an answer that isn't a form letter, I will share it.
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I really really want to make out with Jay.so sexy.i've never been attracted to a gay man before...yum yum yum.it makes me sad that I can't have him.
I like the supermarket analogy in that if anyone removes a cart or things from it, it is considered impolite to say the least. There is a generally agreed upon rule that ppl do not mess with a cart, even an empty one, poised near something, because someone might be coming back to use it. You check before you move it or whatever. There are abandoned carts and ones left aside while someone is getting something. Once the cart has something in it, you pretty much stay away. There is implied possession as a future form of ownership.
A great example happened to me. I started shopping but forgot to get my water container for a refill. I went out to my car to get it and returned. The cart was exactly where I left it, with the items in it that I put there. It would be rude and aggrevating and certainly not in observation of general etiquette for someone to have moved the cart, removed anything, etc. But what we're saying is that Wendy would have done something like that, say took out an item she wanted, rather than look for it in the store herself (last one or not). Who would not find that rude and beyond the pale?
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A great example happened to me. I started shopping but forgot to get my water container for a refill. I went out to my car to get it and returned. The cart was exactly where I left it, with the items in it that I put there. It would be rude and aggrevating and certainly not in observation of general etiquette for someone to have moved the cart, removed anything, etc. But what we're saying is that Wendy would have done something like that, say took out an item she wanted, rather than look for it in the store herself (last one or not). Who would not find that rude and beyond the pale?
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I have been watching the show from day one and I am beyond hooked--we're definitely in the "obsession" realm. None of my friends watch it b/c they all hate reality TV, but I defend this as being more of a contest than a reality show (which is, of course, debatable at best!) I wanted to share my thoughts, though, before we go into Wed's finale.
1. Thanks to the post that Vanessa acts like a chronic alcoholic. That actually put a lot into focus. While very sad (who wants to think that anyone is an alcoholic), it explains her absolute torpedoing of her career at the reunion. Given her non-stop comments about her appearance on the show hurting her profit margin, you would think she would have been smarter about this.
2. I am looking forward to this apparent Kara/Wendy smackdown. I could go on, but the bottom line is Wendy's behavior on the show has exhibited an extreme lack of professionalism, and maturity. As Jay pointed out, "This isn't Survivor!" Two things: a. I think she made it to FW not because of either her manipulations or any great talent. It was luck and timing. b. I worked for a business consulting firm for several years. I second other posters who have pointed out that if anyone in the business world *EVER* talked about a leader the way that she talked about Kevin, they would have been fired. Period.
3. I thought it added credence to my "contest" argument that the "Project Drunkway" clips were mostly saved for the reunion show. This isn't The Real World--Fashion. It's Project Runway. I appreciate that the show focused more on the fashion. I enjoyed the clips--in a reunion show setting. Good call.
4. Everyone realizes, I hope, that one day we will be seeing clips of the whole "mustache" incident on VH1's Most Memorable Reality TV Show Moments, right? And for the record, I don't think Kevin would ever do anything like that. My votes are a PR staffer or Morgan, in that order.
5. Overall I prefer Kara Saun to win, but I have read that Jay's collection absolutely rocked the house. As long as Wendy doesn't win, I'm good. :-)
6. Random thought, but after the reunion and the repeats, I am ***so*** glad that Daniel was knocked out in the first episode. I don't know if I could have kept watching if he had stuck around long!
Last, WHERE CAN I FIND THIS QUIZ? It sounds awesome! Also, does anyone have the link for the full Vanessa interview?
Can't wait for Wednesday!
1. Thanks to the post that Vanessa acts like a chronic alcoholic. That actually put a lot into focus. While very sad (who wants to think that anyone is an alcoholic), it explains her absolute torpedoing of her career at the reunion. Given her non-stop comments about her appearance on the show hurting her profit margin, you would think she would have been smarter about this.
2. I am looking forward to this apparent Kara/Wendy smackdown. I could go on, but the bottom line is Wendy's behavior on the show has exhibited an extreme lack of professionalism, and maturity. As Jay pointed out, "This isn't Survivor!" Two things: a. I think she made it to FW not because of either her manipulations or any great talent. It was luck and timing. b. I worked for a business consulting firm for several years. I second other posters who have pointed out that if anyone in the business world *EVER* talked about a leader the way that she talked about Kevin, they would have been fired. Period.
3. I thought it added credence to my "contest" argument that the "Project Drunkway" clips were mostly saved for the reunion show. This isn't The Real World--Fashion. It's Project Runway. I appreciate that the show focused more on the fashion. I enjoyed the clips--in a reunion show setting. Good call.
4. Everyone realizes, I hope, that one day we will be seeing clips of the whole "mustache" incident on VH1's Most Memorable Reality TV Show Moments, right? And for the record, I don't think Kevin would ever do anything like that. My votes are a PR staffer or Morgan, in that order.
5. Overall I prefer Kara Saun to win, but I have read that Jay's collection absolutely rocked the house. As long as Wendy doesn't win, I'm good. :-)
6. Random thought, but after the reunion and the repeats, I am ***so*** glad that Daniel was knocked out in the first episode. I don't know if I could have kept watching if he had stuck around long!
Last, WHERE CAN I FIND THIS QUIZ? It sounds awesome! Also, does anyone have the link for the full Vanessa interview?
Can't wait for Wednesday!
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Ooooh, interesting point! I'll have to look if I see that episode again... on Monday.
But say, for example, she didn't use the fabric she took from Kara's table. Does that still make it right?....
In the purest sense, if Wendy's actions meant that Kara Saun did not have/could not get as much of that fabric as she wanted because Wendy took it, then Wendy stole from KS.
I see four possibilities as to what actually happened:
-(a) Wendy took the fabric from KS' table to use for comparison, but didn't buy any.
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-© Wendy took the fabric, bought some, and used it, and there was still more than enough for KS to get what she wanted.
-(d) Wendy took the fabric, bought some, and what was left was insufficient for KS' design, forcing her to revamp the design and settle for making those awful leather pants. *That* would be stealing....
The way most people have been writing about the incident, you'd think that (d) is what happened. But KS never accused her of that (which you think she would have), and Tim, while unhappy about the incident, didn't indicate any unforgivable behavior in his commentary.
Well said. Of course, I'm sure you understand that in any of the scenarios..including those where there was no harm against Kara, the moral issue still stands....
I don't see it that way. I don't think the theft/replacement through insurance analogy fits - unless you believe that, under no circumstances, should Wendy have touched anything on KS' table inside the store. If your argument is that removing the bolt of fabric equals theft, I'd have to disagree. Poor manners, yes. But if KS got it back (note, the same fabric, not a replacement as argued by the insurance analogy) soon enough to get what she needed and not impact her design at all, then it wasn't theft. Rude, inconsiderate, possibly even malicious mind-game-playing, sure. But not theft.
Same goes for the shopping-cart analogy. Assume for a moment that there is plenty of whatever it is available in the store - say calcium-fortified vanilla Soymilk. If I put it in my cart, but haven't paid for it yet, and you come along and take the stuff out of my cart - and don't bring it back to me (as if I'd accept it back), I'll be irritated, sure. But as long as I can get what I need (in this case, I'd head back to the dairy case to get what I wanted), I would just think you were someone I wanted to avoid, and get on with life.
However, once we're outside the store, and I have paid for that particular carton of milk with my own money, then it is mine, all mine, and nobody better touch it without an invitation.
There's also another difference in the grocery store analogy to the fabric store.... In the real world, if you go shopping for fabric, it is not uncommon for multiple people to want some of the same fabric. The general unwritten rule is that whoever gets there first gets all of what they want, and the next person can then have as much as they want, etc. In other words, form a line. Wendy jumped the line - but it still comes back to this: if KS got all she wanted/needed for her design, then - bottom line - she lost nothing. (And theft, by definition, is a loss.)
Maybe I should have been more clear as it seems you're not understanding what I'm saying. I think you said in another thread that you were trained as a counselor? As was I: BA in clinical pysch and M.Ed. in counseling. So I see it this way.
Human experience is a continuum...not a situation of black and white. I am not trying to say that what Wendy did, or the toy store analogy is illegal in the same way that the burglary would be. But, in terms of the basic motivation and sort of moral sense of the person who would do each to me exist on the same continuum. One one end you would have "I would never do that to a person" to "I would steal anything from anyone and not care a thing about it." The other two scenarios in my opinion fall somewhere in between.
A few days ago someone said something about Wendy being anti-social. Obviously not knowing her and her history or anything about her daily life, I could never say that she was or she wasn't. Actually, I have my own suspicions about some other disorders, but I don't think she quite fits with the anti-social thing because she hasn't done anything criminal. Still, I was doing a little research earlier this morning and ran across something kind of interesting on it which I'll post here:
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Basic Belief: People are there to be taken.
Strategy: Attack (Beck, Freeman & associates, pg. 26).
In Cognitive Therapy of Personality Disorders, Aaron T. Beck, Arthur Freeman, and associates (1990) list typical beliefs associated with each specific personality disorder. Here are the typical beliefs that they have listed (pg. 361) for Antisocial Personality Disorder:
*I have to look out for myself.
*Force or cunning is the best way to get things done.
*We live in a jungle and the strong person is the one who survives.
*People will get at me if I don't get them first.
*It is not important to keep promises or honor debts.
*Lying and cheating are OK as long as you don't get caught.
*I have been unfairly treated and am entitled to get my fair share by whatever means I can.
*Other people are weak and deserve to be taken.
*If I don't push other people, I will get pushed around.
*I should do whatever I can get away with.
*What others think of me doesn't really matter.
*If I want something, I should do whatever is necessary to get it.
*I can get away with things so I don't need to worry about bad consequences.
*If people can't take care of themselves, that's their problem.
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As I said, I don't know this person in any way other than the way she was presented on this show and by things the said and did. Also understand, I am only using her as an example at this point. But it seems to me that some of these "thoughts" were expressed either verbally or by action, and that some of the people here who have defended her actions have said them also i.e. if they can't handle so and so then they don't belong in the fashion business, that sort of thing.
And as I said, none of these things are illegal...but these are the kinds of thoughts that people who often teeter on breaking the law seem to have, according to the authors. Are all people who think this way capable of committing illegal acts or are they "anti-social" in the clinical sense? Of course not. But what astounds me is the lack of understanding that along the continuum of human experience, the thought processes that lead to some of the behaviors many of us are talking about here are at their core, the same thought processes of those who commit more extreme acts against others that we as a society revile and punish. Yet in this context and at this point on the continuum, we allow ourselves to either rationalize them or in some cases even applaud them, as long as they get us what we want.
Anyhoo, I'm obviously thinking and talking about this WAY too much lol. So I'm going to go back to my Sunday for awhile. This is a television show after all lol and not the end of the world, but as I said, I really find this whole thing rather curious.
Ha! He's not my style but I totally hear ya. You should see the women who post on the QE site. They totally know what you mean, be their honey Carson or Thom or Jai or Ted or Kyan (Kyan and Thom do it for me, but on PR it's Austin). Some flamboyant (usually gay) males are such characters and so comfortable being unique or odd characters that I luv 'em. I'm that way at heart but not in exterior. I adored this straight guy in college who liked 1940s vintage suits, semi-long hair and definitely flamboyant style. His real name (no kidding) was Bill Bonk. I couldn't see him as my boyfriend but I totally loved him. At the time I had my heart set on this leather-jacketed, quasi-bad boy (bad only when he was drinking really) who sorta looked like Brad Pitt and/or a very young John Mellancamp. Unfortuntely this chap liked being a bit of a cad or player and at best I could impact him as a friend but not have a relationship as his girlfriend. And at the time that was all I wanted.
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I don't think that Wendy deserves the bashing that she is getting from not only viewers, but from the other contestants as well. She may not be the most "couture" designer, or the most "dramatic" clothes maker, but that is exactly why I like her. Banana Republic is one of the sponsors of PR, and you have to remember that Wendy was the one who won that challenge. She also won the Grammy challenge. It's not like she didn't win any challenges. I like the fact that she does what she wants and doesn't care. It is a business after all, and there is no time for hurt feelings. Besides Austin makes clothes for drag queens and show girls. Jay is amazing, but his clothes won't sell to the general public. Kara is incredibly talented and probably should win. However, the fact that she is so damn arrogant, constantly talking about her celebrity clients, and forever on a soap box about "soulessness" makes me just want Wendy to take the whole show just so all of the little "downtown couture" artsy farts can wallow in their own hypocricy.
Okay - I just read Wendy's web page and her admission about trashing Kevin. I still say that it was a competition and Wendy does not have anything to do with the outcome - the judges and the producers do so where is all the outrage at them? They were the ones who let her get to Fashion Week.
I am kinda wondering if maybe all this outrage at Wendy's unethical behavior would be better placed on the heads of the TV execs and judges who for lack of a better word rewarded her behavior.
I am kinda wondering if maybe all this outrage at Wendy's unethical behavior would be better placed on the heads of the TV execs and judges who for lack of a better word rewarded her behavior.
My favorite PR quote to date!! And only for reasons of humour...
But I was just rewatching the collection episode and at the beginning Wendy said something like "It seems as though Austin and Kara are the golden children and they have some sort of scientific formula, they know what to do and they do it. Good for them!"
Now, I know I said that I would stop wendy bashing...but i can't help bust say this...
IT'S CALLED A PROCESS DUMBASS!!!! IT ISN'T SOME MAGICAL, UNHEARD OF FORMULA!!
Just more proff that she knows NOTHING about design.
If she Wins she needs to think whatever God she prays to...cause talent ain't got nothin to do with it!
But I was just rewatching the collection episode and at the beginning Wendy said something like "It seems as though Austin and Kara are the golden children and they have some sort of scientific formula, they know what to do and they do it. Good for them!"
Now, I know I said that I would stop wendy bashing...but i can't help bust say this...
IT'S CALLED A PROCESS DUMBASS!!!! IT ISN'T SOME MAGICAL, UNHEARD OF FORMULA!!
Just more proff that she knows NOTHING about design.
If she Wins she needs to think whatever God she prays to...cause talent ain't got nothin to do with it!
I am not sure that all comments were made to each other's faces and the ones that were - Kevin to Nora(?) the other person got very upset - crying and/or acting crazy (Vanessa)
and still what about Austin's attitude after Wendy talked about his leadership? I think that all the early episodes have been forgotten concerning the behaviors of everyone and so everyone is just concentrating on the end.
And I say again I don't know anything about the fashion world but how did Ralph become the institution he is? Their are thousands of creative and talented people out there - how did he make it and then stay there in business?
Is it because he did not have his hand in all aspects of his vision? As someone who works in a professional field I understand that there is always a leader and the leader's job is to make sure everything goes okay - whether people work together or not - the leader still is the leader.
and still what about Austin's attitude after Wendy talked about his leadership? I think that all the early episodes have been forgotten concerning the behaviors of everyone and so everyone is just concentrating on the end.
And I say again I don't know anything about the fashion world but how did Ralph become the institution he is? Their are thousands of creative and talented people out there - how did he make it and then stay there in business?
Is it because he did not have his hand in all aspects of his vision? As someone who works in a professional field I understand that there is always a leader and the leader's job is to make sure everything goes okay - whether people work together or not - the leader still is the leader.
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http://quizilla.com/users/marmalady/quizzes/
Which%20Project%20Runway%20designer%20are%20you%3F/ Great post!
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Which%20Project%20Runway%20designer%20are%20you%3F/ Great post!
Have just seen the model elimination drama from Wendy, and how Morgan was totally set up, how can you say this? That had zilch to do with the contest. It was just mean -- and typical for Cruella.
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Kevin is really damn hot. I can't even stand it anymore.
I am a young designer living in N.C. My company name is Pennyroyal and I make clothing that I would characterize as very "rock and roll." My inspiration is music, at the moment early Kinks and of course, David Bowie. I LOVE Jay. If I met him in regular daily life I know we would be great friends. I love how he is so spontaneous, so [censored] real, and full of faboulous and truthful caricatures of the other designers.
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Okay - I just read Wendy's web page and her admission about trashing Kevin. I still say that it was a competition and Wendy does not have anything to do with the outcome - the judges and the producers do so where is all the outrage at them? They were the ones who let her get to Fashion Week.
I am kinda wondering if maybe all this outrage at Wendy's unethical behavior would be better placed on the heads of the TV execs and judges who for lack of a better word rewarded her behavior.
I couldn't agree more, and have said so a couple of times. If they were looking "behind the scenes" during the process part of the competition, as they clearly were, they (the judges I mean) should have voted her out in the earlier stages. But for whatever reason, bowing to pressure from Bravo, or just plain acceptance of backstabbing unprofessional behavior, they didn't. And as a result the show overall lost a lot of credibility with me.
But I'll say again, other than this I thought the show was fantastic and a breath of fresh air. So I don't want to seem like I am bashing big bad Bravo or Michael Kors or whoever. I just think they made an error, hopefully, and will maybe think differently if they do a second season. If not, I'll probably just exercise my rights ...free country for me and for them... and tune out.
How many episodes has Kara said squat? You're reaching. I'm not a big Kara person and I know you're reaching.
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OK, I am not a Wendy fan, but I am really not so sure that she was wrong in what she said about Kevin and I really didn't see it as all that bad. I mean, all she said was that Kevin wasn't a great leader and she articulated her reasons for feeling this way. Nora and Alexandra said the same thing during the Rock Star challenge (It would have been nice if their comments had been revisited at the reunion.) Also, Wendy was asked point blank what she thought of Kevin's leadership (as opposed to her offering up unsolicited complaints to the judges.)
As for whether or not she would be fired for criticizing a leader if this were in the business world, I think it really depends on the context of her comments. Personally, I thought the judges were looking for a way to create drama and they wanted to see if anyone in the group would acknowledge that Kevin wasn't much of a leader--the discontinuity of the designs in the 2055 collection demonstrated this without their needing to be told. If Kevin had created a great design himself and everyone else on the team had been clearly behind him, well, then Wendy may have been out for her comments. However, Kevin's design looked straight out of Star Trek and everyone else's support of him was tepid. I thought it was unprofessional of Kevin to behave as if the reason he was eliminated was because of Wendy and not because of his designs-it showed me that he wouldn't take any responsibility for his own work. Also, if Wendy trashing his leadership is what sent him out, then Wendy's Survivor mentality was appropriate as it kept her in the game.
As for whether or not she would be fired for criticizing a leader if this were in the business world, I think it really depends on the context of her comments. Personally, I thought the judges were looking for a way to create drama and they wanted to see if anyone in the group would acknowledge that Kevin wasn't much of a leader--the discontinuity of the designs in the 2055 collection demonstrated this without their needing to be told. If Kevin had created a great design himself and everyone else on the team had been clearly behind him, well, then Wendy may have been out for her comments. However, Kevin's design looked straight out of Star Trek and everyone else's support of him was tepid. I thought it was unprofessional of Kevin to behave as if the reason he was eliminated was because of Wendy and not because of his designs-it showed me that he wouldn't take any responsibility for his own work. Also, if Wendy trashing his leadership is what sent him out, then Wendy's Survivor mentality was appropriate as it kept her in the game.
During the Rock Star Challenge, Kara said the reason she wasn't picked by Sara is because she is a woman and she knows, because of her experience in the industry, that women tend to pick male designers. Which struck me as Kara Saun saying "it isn't because she didn't like my design or that the other designers presented designs which appealed to her visions, it is just because I am a woman." I actually disliked Kara Saun's arrogance in the beginning, but then her designs won me over, but her behavior towards the end makes me not like her (her blatent rudeness to Wendy after the Postal Service and Grammy challenges was shocking and made me wonder what footage we weren't shown because the show was crafted to make Wendy the villain.)
In terms of true design and vision (as well as being a pretty decent person throughout the ordeal--at least from what we have seen) Jay seems to be the clear winner. However, looking at the runway designs from fashion week, I think Wendy may win (I think she and Jay are neck and neck in that regard.)
Kara Saun's collection seemed the weakest of the three. Of course, if Kara Saun doesn't win, I am hoping we see the exit interview wherein she explains that the reason she didn't win is because of this, that, and the other, as opposed to not having the strongest collection. This is all my opinion.
I am really hoping Jay wins.
In terms of true design and vision (as well as being a pretty decent person throughout the ordeal--at least from what we have seen) Jay seems to be the clear winner. However, looking at the runway designs from fashion week, I think Wendy may win (I think she and Jay are neck and neck in that regard.)
Kara Saun's collection seemed the weakest of the three. Of course, if Kara Saun doesn't win, I am hoping we see the exit interview wherein she explains that the reason she didn't win is because of this, that, and the other, as opposed to not having the strongest collection. This is all my opinion.
I am really hoping Jay wins.
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I thought there would be one of these sooner:
http://quizilla.com/users/marmalady/quizzes/
Which%20Project%20Runway%20
designer%20are%20you%3F/
OMFG!!! I'm Wendy???!!! **sinks into pit of despair and depression**
ROFL - I took this test a few times with my answers and keep coming up Mario. Who knew? So I did it for fun once trying to get Wendy to come up and sure enough - here were my "Wendy" answers:
New Color: Orange
Curtain dress: FLoral
costume: witch
Attributes: Determined, intelligent
No Model: pacing
Star to dress: Natalie Portman
Shows: Don't watch much tv
Article of clothing: T-shirt
THanks to whoever did this survey - interesting and fun!
Thank you - I agree.
Did anyone catch the sketch last night on SNL? It was hysterical. They were true to each character. Hope everyone involved got a good laugh. One of the better SNL sketches I've seen in a while. Puts these guys on the map.
Ok Ii havent read the last 200 posts so this may be off the subject. I am watching the marathon today. Currently the post office challenge. Everyone was getting the material for the challenge, I wish I had Tivo because in the background as they are leaving the store there an display in the fabric store is and orange skirt and dress. The skirt looks like it is made out of feathers. I hope someone can double check this for me.
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Did anyone catch the sketch last night on SNL? It was hysterical. They were true to each character. Hope everyone involved got a good laugh. One of the better SNL sketches I've seen in a while. Puts these guys on the map.
I am so bummed I missed it! Tell me more - what did they have on? Was it all the characters or just the last 5 or so? Do they replay those ever do you know?
I have LOVEd this show. However, I doubt I'll watch any new season because the "producers" in the itnerest of ratings cheated us, the audience--those who really truly love fashion and everything fashion.
Jay pegged Wendy---she played as if it were like survivor or another of the "reality" shows which rewards not talent, but the best back stabber.
I'll bet Wendy's whole hair and getup for the show was staged by her.
I'll bet she drew the moustache on her own kid's picture---her "emotional" breakdown entirely was too staged (albeit poorly) and lacked any real emotion.
I'll bet she's actually a decent designer and is going to have a wonderful runway show.
It wouldn't shock me if she cheats and uses other designers to design her "collection."
SHe just "played" a game, under the radar.
And, remember, teh "producers" of this show reserve the right to overrule the judges.
Since Wendy the Wicked garnered so much attention, albeit, negative, to the producers it meant ratings, which meant keep her in at all costs.
So, sadly, what I thought was going to be an actual show about fashion has imploded into nothing but a cheap use of the frailties of human nature ala Barnett or Burnett, whatever his name is.
Jay pegged Wendy---she played as if it were like survivor or another of the "reality" shows which rewards not talent, but the best back stabber.
I'll bet Wendy's whole hair and getup for the show was staged by her.
I'll bet she drew the moustache on her own kid's picture---her "emotional" breakdown entirely was too staged (albeit poorly) and lacked any real emotion.
I'll bet she's actually a decent designer and is going to have a wonderful runway show.
It wouldn't shock me if she cheats and uses other designers to design her "collection."
SHe just "played" a game, under the radar.
And, remember, teh "producers" of this show reserve the right to overrule the judges.
Since Wendy the Wicked garnered so much attention, albeit, negative, to the producers it meant ratings, which meant keep her in at all costs.
So, sadly, what I thought was going to be an actual show about fashion has imploded into nothing but a cheap use of the frailties of human nature ala Barnett or Burnett, whatever his name is.
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wouldn't you know it. i'm a kevin...the first time when i was trying to be honest...the description made me laugh though..
"You are KEVIN! A definite introvert, you work best when you work alone. And you totally drew that mustache on Wendy's picture! "
....lies!!lies!!its all lies....
....(kisses kevin, we're soulmates afterall)
You're made for each other! Plus, he can make your wedding gown!
I got Austin on my third try at the quiz. It's amazing what I kept and what I changed. A lot of the answers stayed the same, like who to design for and such. I just went for the tap shoes and voila (I think).
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ok, ppl who want to contact austin:
if you click on the contact LINK on his site, your mail will bounce back because it fills out the email as Austin@AustinScarlett.com. BUT if you just type the address into a message in ALL LOWER CASE, it does not get bounced back.
at least, this is what i have deduced thus far =)
yay marathon! my VCR is getting a total workout!
My mail hasn't bounced back either and I did it in all lowercase.
About the marathon, have you noticed that they have left some scenes out that were included in the first shows? I'm glad I taped the first shows!
omg which scenes are they leaving out?? i am doing work while i watch (haha) so my attention is *gasp* divided.
Hey TTB, if you have them all on tape the Postal uniform show that was just on. When they are in the fabric store I swear I saw an orange skirt on display that was made out of feathers, give me a holler if you see it too.
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I like the supermarket analogy in that if anyone removes a cart or things from it, it is considered impolite to say the least. There is a generally agreed upon rule that ppl do not mess with a cart, even an empty one, poised near something, because someone might be coming back to use it. You check before you move it or whatever. There are abandoned carts and ones left aside while someone is getting something. Once the cart has something in it, you pretty much stay away. There is implied possession as a future form of ownership.
A great example happened to me. I started shopping but forgot to get my water container for a refill. I went out to my car to get it and returned. The cart was exactly where I left it, with the items in it that I put there. It would be rude and aggrevating and certainly not in observation of general etiquette for someone to have moved the cart, removed anything, etc. But what we're saying is that Wendy would have done something like that, say took out an item she wanted, rather than look for it in the store herself (last one or not). Who would not find that rude and beyond the pale?
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The supermarket analogy is perfect. I experienced a similar situation. Christmas time is always hectic with parents trying to get that special toy their child asks for. So I'm shopping and there are things in my cart - I pull it to the side and go across the aisle to get something from a shelf. I turn to see someone taking something out of my cart! They didn't know it was my cart but still, it had stuff in it...it was mine. I said, "Excuse me, that's mine" at which point they apologized (as one should) and we went our separate ways.
It's called common courtesy and if a person doesn't have it then they are a very sad individual.
Wendy Pepper has been the only designer on this show that has performed in a professional manner. kara Saun was a disappointment, clearly talented but lacking compassion and honesty. Her cruel criticism of Wendy reveled the ugly side of her personality. I include several of the other designers as well, It's just that Kara Saun was one of my favorites in the beginning. Jay, saying that "everyone hates you" was mean in spirit and unprofessional.
Ya’ Heidi Klum was on the View interviewed by Star Jones with Jay, Kara and Wendy.
But she was wearing Kevin Johnn. Sounds like she has a favorite designer already.
Kevin should have won this show! But its ok I hear he had a killer show during fashion week. We’ve seeing his press all over the fashion papers. Great job Kevin!
But she was wearing Kevin Johnn. Sounds like she has a favorite designer already.
Kevin should have won this show! But its ok I hear he had a killer show during fashion week. We’ve seeing his press all over the fashion papers. Great job Kevin!
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