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Larry,
I totally agree with you. I liked Kara Saun alot from the start until she started her Wendy woes. I was so disappointed in her after that and lost respect for her. I thought she was above that pettiness. At least Wendy states her feelings tastefully with no name calling. I've come to respect Wendy more and more. What really got me was Vanessa making a snide remark about Wendy and then on the reunion show they showed Wendy saying "I love Vanessa". How sad that these people act the way they do. It's not so much the individual comments about Wendy that I dislike as much as the fact that they have formed a Wendy Hate Club amongst them. They intentionally express their distain of her publically, it shows their pettiness and lack of intelligence. I really like Wendy's new look, she looks great. I hope she kicks butt and wins. If I were a judge and saw some of the clips of the comments and attacks on Wendy, I would never support any design they produced.If Jay or Kara wins, I'll never purchase a single outfit they designed because I saw the evil side of them. They will stall and crash eventually because you cannot be that mean and be blessed with fame. It will come back to haunt them.

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I wish I had Tivo because in the background as they are leaving the store there an display in the fabric store is and orange skirt and dress. The skirt looks like it is made out of feathers. I hope someone can double check this for me.

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They are showing the post office epi on the west coast right now so I'm going to tape when they are in the fabric store.

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As a faithful NY fashionista, I picked up my daily copy of the NY Post (In New York City, it's like the bible, when it comes to who and what, is hot. It's all about Page6), and I was thrilled to open the paper to a FULL PAGE SPREAD including a (again full page) picture of Austin!!!! The interview was great, it seems that, as speculated on these boards, Austin wasn't given even half the time and money to make his line to show at Fashion Week, as the three finalists were. Given that obvious disadvantage, he still managed to get some approving nods from the "Power Fashionistas" in NYC. Austin is absolutely noble, though he must be, obviously, dissapointed by not making the final three; he is very complimentary, when he gives his views of the Final Three and thier line's at Fashion week (And when I say he was complimentary to all three, I mean it, He was quite kind in his critique of Wendy, as well as Jay, and Kara). In the end he thinks Jay will win, but still thinks it's anbodys best guess, because Bravo has kept them all in the dark.
I'm blown away, not only by this young man's talent, but also his kind and diplomatic professionalism. I think we will all be seeing a lot more of Austin Scarlet(and isn't that a wonderful thing!!!!!)
Wayne's Whirled

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Hey ericats,
i knew you were somehow on the west coast! It seems there are a lot more east coasters on this board as more discussion goes on at times when I'm not on the board. Like in the morning, there's a huge amount of new posts already. Slightly off-topic, but final words: Go JAY!

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Have to disagree about the dress being mostly the same ... hemline of top very different - totally changed ...

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Maybe I should have been more clear as it seems you're not understanding what I'm saying. I think you said in another thread that you were trained as a counselor? As was I: BA in clinical pysch and M.Ed. in counseling. So I see it this way.

Human experience is a continuum...not a situation of black and white. I am not trying to say that what Wendy did, or the toy store analogy is illegal in the same way that the burglary would be. But, in terms of the basic motivation and sort of moral sense of the person who would do each to me exist on the same continuum. One one end you would have "I would never do that to a person" to "I would steal anything from anyone and not care a thing about it." The other two scenarios in my opinion fall somewhere in between.

A few days ago someone said something about Wendy being anti-social. Obviously not knowing her and her history or anything about her daily life, I could never say that she was or she wasn't. Actually, I have my own suspicions about some other disorders, but I don't think she quite fits with the anti-social thing because she hasn't done anything criminal. Still, I was doing a little research earlier this morning and ran across something kind of interesting on it which I'll post here:

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Basic Belief: People are there to be taken.
Strategy: Attack (Beck, Freeman & associates, pg. 26).
In Cognitive Therapy of Personality Disorders, Aaron T. Beck, Arthur Freeman, and associates (1990) list typical beliefs associated with each specific personality disorder. Here are the typical beliefs that they have listed (pg. 361) for Antisocial Personality Disorder:

*I have to look out for myself.
*Force or cunning is the best way to get things done.
*We live in a jungle and the strong person is the one who survives.
*People will get at me if I don't get them first.
*It is not important to keep promises or honor debts.
*Lying and cheating are OK as long as you don't get caught.
*I have been unfairly treated and am entitled to get my fair share by whatever means I can.
*Other people are weak and deserve to be taken.
*If I don't push other people, I will get pushed around.
*I should do whatever I can get away with.
*What others think of me doesn't really matter.
*If I want something, I should do whatever is necessary to get it.
*I can get away with things so I don't need to worry about bad consequences.
*If people can't take care of themselves, that's their problem.
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As I said, I don't know this person in any way other than the way she was presented on this show and by things the said and did. Also understand, I am only using her as an example at this point. But it seems to me that some of these "thoughts" were expressed either verbally or by action, and that some of the people here who have defended her actions have said them also i.e. if they can't handle so and so then they don't belong in the fashion business, that sort of thing.

And as I said, none of these things are illegal...but these are the kinds of thoughts that people who often teeter on breaking the law seem to have, according to the authors. Are all people who think this way capable of committing illegal acts or are they "anti-social" in the clinical sense? Of course not. But what astounds me is the lack of understanding that along the continuum of human experience, the thought processes that lead to some of the behaviors many of us are talking about here are at their core, the same thought processes of those who commit more extreme acts against others that we as a society revile and punish. Yet in this context and at this point on the continuum, we allow ourselves to either rationalize them or in some cases even applaud them, as long as they get us what we want.

Anyhoo, I'm obviously thinking and talking about this WAY too much lol. So I'm going to go back to my Sunday for awhile. This is a television show after all lol and not the end of the world, but as I said, I really find this whole thing rather curious.

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< As much as it loathes me to do so, I like helping people out: www.wendypepper.com >

Ah, so you are ThomsTeddyBear. I've read some of your posts, but I've read more posts *about* you from your fans.

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Thanks for replying. I tried that address before I posted. When I used it, I was routed to Bravo, to a design page for Wendy. I assume they all have them. This is where her negative comments can be found? I'll look again.

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< Wendy dug her own grave and all the denial in the world is not going to stop her from lying in it. >

I think at times, every designer has said something particularly ugly. What bothers me is when one person is ganged-up on. I don't think of myself as a Wendy-defender. I like her and her clothes. That ain't denial; it's a choice.

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You support Jay and yet, he's said some of the *worst* things behind people's backs (directly toward the camera). I agree that he's a part of the group. But he speaks his mind when alone with the camera, and it's not all about Wendy! Maybe the River Denial is wider than we think, and there's room for us all.

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I don't know if anyone has mentioned group dynamics. In a group, people will (subconsciously) pick someone as a target, someone to be the outsider, someone to dislike. Wendy has that role in this group. As you've said, perhaps to some extent, she's brought that on herself. But not, IMO, to the level of *hatred* she receives from the others.

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Maybe it's semantics. I don't throw the words like "evil" and "hate" around. I'm very aware that they're extremist opinions and very ostracizing. At times, I've been the one on the outside looking-in. Given that, I do not want to ostracize anyone.

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Now for something completely different: I've tried the "quote" feature, but when I "preview" my post, it doesn't indent the quote. Does the indentation show up later? If not, any suggestions on how to make it work?

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I will put this sentence in quotes.

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Thanks for your time, and help. I appreciate them.

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I just found out from a friend of mine that was lucky enough to get a ticket to the Kevin Johnn show.
She works in the tents for fashion week, and goes to all the shows. Said it was her favorite show.

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