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paillette

January 6, 2005 - 10:41 AM

You really think Austin carefully considered who was the better team member, and that self-interest played no part in his choice? Dream on.

I have never denied Austin's talent. I don't even particularly begrudge him eliminating Vanessa: it was smart.

What I don't like is the fact that he wants to have it both ways: be the sensitive, sobbing guy who can't eliminate a team member, then turn around and do it. Be shrewd and calculating, but then do the backstage scene hogging the attention and limelight.

What I also don't like is how Austin seems to get a free pass here alot of the time. Everyone here focusses on how "classy" Austin is. That scene was, to say the least, in extremely poor taste.

Austin is simply a more careful Wendy, yet everyone detests her and idolozes him --- and NOT just in terms of the designs, in terms of personality, too.

Istya

January 6, 2005 - 10:44 AM

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....THE WAY THE SHOW IS TURNING OUT IT WILL BE KARA AND JAY IN THE FINALS.... I WILL BE SHOCKED IF IT ISN'T....Robert is too up and down, Nora has shown herself to be too emotional, Wendy is talentless and an unkind person, Alexandra I don't think is a real contestant but some sort of hidden judge/designer, Austin is emotional too...what do you think?

My thoughts on who's left:

Wendy- She'll be off soon; she's been crap twice and good only once. She's used up most of her Survivor-like drama, so the producers won't miss her.

Robert- He's been shaky at best. They didn't really like his first design, and his third was just terrible. He's really lacking a decent work ethic and needs to be more decisive and hard-working if he wants to make it into the finals.

Kara- I'll be shocked if she's not in the top three. She's very hard-working and skilled, and the judges always seem to like her designs.

Jay- He's been on a good streak, BUT I don't know if it will continue. His last design and his envy design were a lot alike, which isn't so good in the fashion world. I'm not sure how great a wedding dress he'll make, but maybe he'll surprise me.

Austin- We all know he's extremely talanted and uncompromising- key traits of a major designer, but he's in danger of pidgeon-holing himself, which is the worst thing he can do. His last two designs have been deemed "costume-y" by the judges, so he needs to show that he can be (I hate to say it) mundayne if they ask for it.

Nora- Her first design was great, but I'm still not crazy about her. She's very head-strong and has that "I know everything" attitude that can come with being a recent graduate. She has a lot of skill, but she needs to pull herself together emotionally if she's going to be a serious designer. She also needs work on collaboration.

Alexandra- She, to me, has absolutely no personality. She just slides through unscathed every week, because she's neither good nor bad. She needs to branch out more- her first two dresses were tubes with trim. I can't see her getting by unnoticed for much longer.

Kevin- He's never been on the "bad" end, which is great for him, but sometimes I feel he too lacks some personality. He definitely knows what he's doing and is a strong worker, which has made him a continually strong contestant.

I can't predict now who will be in the top three- everyone seems to be having their ups and downs.

Loomchick

January 6, 2005 - 10:44 AM

I know some are bothered by what appeared to be an immediate "about face" by Austin when he went from teary-eyed to dissing Vanessa to sobbing on the couch . . . but, we need to remember, what we're seeing on television has been edited down and time compressed . . . I think there's a lot more time from runway presentation to final decision.

I wish there had been more on Jay's team . . . although, Tim refers to them as "The Professionals" and it might not make for as dramatic viewing as Nora's juvenile temper tantrum, Vanessa's singing, Austin's emotional roller coaster, etc.

There doesn't seem much shown on Alexandra . . . which leads me to wonder if she is "spy" on the show (like some have mentioned) or if she just goes about her work without the theatrics.

I'm still enoying the show . . . I love getting to know the designers more and more with each episode . . . Jay is just plain fun . . . Austin has his drama and makes me want to [expletive deleted] slap him at least once an episode . . . but, I like his designs . . . I want to see more of Kara and Alexandra . . . Kevin's interesting to watch . . . and I hope Robert doesn't have to make the decision next time about which model stay and which one goes.

Istya

January 6, 2005 - 10:51 AM

I have no way of knowing why Austin did what he did- though it was very convienent that self-interest and common sense coincided in this case.

You're right- he does want to have it both ways. But it's not like he's the only one. It may be that fewer people recognize it, but I certainly do. I don't consider him to be any different then anyone else motivationally- everyone will do what they have to do to win.

Austin's appeal to people personality-wise probably stems from how feminine he is. It doesn't affect me, it does affect a lot of people. He seems vunerable all the time, which makes him able to be sympathized with, especially by women. Reality contestants are often picked because of overpowering traits- and the producers certainly picked a good contestant in Austin. He's a favorite because he's appears more good-natured than others and just so happens to have a good deal of talent. That may not be true in reality, but that's how he's shown (marketed really), so that's why people like him. Again, that's totally objective, but that's how I see it.

lilmiss23

January 6, 2005 - 11:02 AM

I agree with you about Nora may be bringing to much emotion into it but, she is human. I love her style and her determination. If she can keep it together, she has the ability to make it to the finals! Nora, your awesome!!

runway

January 6, 2005 - 11:10 AM

.....interesting comments you make...Vanessa already has an up and running business it seems ( visit her website ) in Texas....I don't think the show was willing to let someone with an British accent and always wearing a t-shirt saying " Vanness Riley-London" win a contest that is supposed help launch the next "American" designer...I think it was more to it than what we saw....I will be surprised if Kara and Jay don't make the finals....they are being shown as the most personable (Nora blew it last night in that category) and as good designers each week....I don't think Alexandra is a real contestant but some sort of hidden judge/designer....I don't think the staged backstabbing session was good...it was a copy of The Apprentice and had no place....it has created an atmosphere of distrust and dislike (Nora vs. Kevin, Wendy vs.Austin)...maybe that is what they wanted for entertainment value...fashion is basically a job like any other job...if you visit NYC you see most people in the garment industry lead unglamorous lives and go to their 9 to 5's like most other people do....the hype is created in the magazines and occasionally on tv.....Kevin is coming off as a nasty little guy who can design but with no personality.....what do all of you think?

paillette

January 6, 2005 - 11:13 AM

I agree that it would have been unlikely for Vanessa to be the winner, given her British background: sad, but undoubtedly true. But I would have liked to have her around for a while longer, maybe see her in the top three.

woof123

January 6, 2005 - 11:17 AM

TEAMWORK!!!!! Too bad they weren't judging just on teamwork, Jay & Co. would have won hands down. Great dress, really fun and funky, and they all worked together well, even though Robert was goofing around.

Kevin was a mess, even though his dress was picked as the winner he was a terrible team leader, just awful. Yes, little Miss Nora went ballistic but a good team leader handles the situation and/or anticipates problems before they come up and heads them off at the pass. To complain to the judges about her wasting 3 hours (3 hours?!) of their design time was just completely ridiculous. As a leader he should have ensured that that time wasn't wasted. Not that I'm letting little Miss off the hook, I thought her behavior was extremely immature and unprofessional, but from what we could see there wasn't any attempt at intervention to stave off the crisis. Oh, and that dress looked like rehashed Cyndi Lauper 80's stuff to me.

Austin was fairly good, though he got a bit overwrought at times. Vanessa pretty much skated along, though why she decided to start sewing the bow contrary to the way Austin wanted it without asking is beyond me. Wendy, urgh. I know the stuff is all massively edited to make it sensational, but that clip of her saying "I don't have to understand Austin's vision, I just have to do what I'm told" is just wrong, wrong, wrong. If you are on a real work team it is in fact VITAL that every team member understand the vision so that they can collaborate completely to fulfill the mission. The dress was pretty, but the colors just didn't do it, not enough funk in the house on that one.

mickeyitaliano

January 6, 2005 - 11:23 AM

Why is everyone picking two people...THREE get to show @ Fashion Week. Correct? As for Austin and Wendy: they probobly bonded that night when they didn't go to the bar.
Um, who sewed Vanessa's last 3 dresses? She did.
And to the guy saying the Brits do not connive and backstab (ala Survivor,et al), where does he think all our reality shows came from? They are all remakes from the UK.
Go Kara, Jay and Kevin...

runway

January 6, 2005 - 11:35 AM

....I can't decide who the third will be....but the way it is evolving Kara and Jay seem to be in for sure....I was saying that Vanessa does not seem to be as needy of the show as others were displayed on the show ( eg. Wendy)...check out Vanessa's website....she seems to be doing well already....do a reality show for photographers....cheers

Zanti

January 6, 2005 - 11:44 AM

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....THE WAY THE SHOW IS TURNING OUT IT WILL BE KARA AND JAY IN THE FINALS.... I WILL BE SHOCKED IF IT ISN'T....Robert is too up and down, Nora has shown herself to be too emotional, Wendy is talentless and an unkind person, Alexandra I don't think is a real contestant but some sort of hidden judge/designer, Austin is emotional too...what do you think?

But don't you think that these are the characteristics that enable success in such a materialistic environment -- lacking talent and being unkind ...?

runway

January 6, 2005 - 11:47 AM

.....lacking talent and being unkind....that is interesting, but I think the producers of the show want it to be around for a few more seasons, so some degree of integrity must be seen.....what do you think?

Maxwell

January 6, 2005 - 11:48 AM

Wow this show is really exciting good thing Im a night owl and was up in time to watch it. I want to party with all the people on the show except that chick with the wierd gray black dye job, that doesn't say much. any how I don't know who really reads this [censored] but I'm head over heals in love with Nora and think jay is frickin hilarious austin needs to quit being so damn fem and grow some balls I think hes got a [censored] load of potential. A great deal of the designers need to quit being so nice and [censored] kick some ass look at jay he's fearless, robert is the man and he needs to stop being such a nice guy and remember that he is the man. Heidi Klum is so dumb she thinks shes being all cultured and pretentious with her "auf weiderseihn" she's a stupid [expletive deleted] but she is still fricken hot. ps Nora rocks my world

ballardfam

January 6, 2005 - 11:52 AM

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Kevin was a mess, even though his dress was picked as the winner he was a terrible team leader, just awful. Yes, little Miss Nora went ballistic but a good team leader handles the situation and/or anticipates problems before they come up and heads them off at the pass. To complain to the judges about her wasting 3 hours (3 hours?!) of their design time was just completely ridiculous. As a leader he should have ensured that that time wasn't wasted. Not that I'm letting little Miss off the hook, I thought her behavior was extremely immature and unprofessional, but from what we could see there wasn't any attempt at intervention to stave off the crisis. Oh, and that dress looked like rehashed Cyndi Lauper 80's stuff to me.

Agree 100%. Kevin (at least according to what was shown) wasn't a strong enough leader. I also can't believe that these judges, two of whom called out the "trashbag couture" in the first episode, didn't call Kevin's dress on it's Cindy Lauper-ish-ness. I can't believe not one designer/judge/model didn't start singing "girls just want to have fun".

Agree too on the colors on Austin's dress. I think he fixated on that 'Alice in Wonderland' reference in the first meeting.

runway

January 6, 2005 - 11:52 AM

....if you watched the first two episodes you would know the first 2 contestants were eliminated partially for having too much of a" hardcore/in your face/ I don't give a hoot " attitude...Jay saw that and decided to tone down his behavior in order to survive.....

runway

January 6, 2005 - 12:03 PM

....I heard it takes around $500000 to start a line ...why are they only giving $100000?

Maxwell

January 6, 2005 - 12:03 PM

I just think people are selling themsleves short by being too timid in some cases. When people dont perform and their maximum because they are worrying about others or getting too worked up over trivial things its a shame.

mkcbradley

January 6, 2005 - 12:13 PM

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Austin has his drama and makes me want to [expletive deleted] slap him at least once an episode

How about twice an episode.....

Really...Austin is NOT going to be in the top 3. He is excellent for theatre but NOT reality. He is extreamly talented but he's gone for sure.

Top 3-Kara, Kevin, and Jay or Wendy not sure yet between those two. A little more to Jay I think--they both impressed me with their versatility between episodes 2 and 3.

runway

January 6, 2005 - 12:20 PM

.....I heard it costs about $500000 to do a fashion line in NYC....why are they giving only $100000....anyone have any insight...

Maxwell

January 6, 2005 - 12:26 PM

Ever heard of Producers are [censored] tight-wad penny pinching bitches who are solely looking to make a profit and dont give [censored] about the contestants

runway

January 6, 2005 - 12:30 PM

.....the feature in Elle and NYC fashion week and 20% of $500000 is awesome and the publicity .....they should do a show for photographers like me with the prize being a contract with a magazine....anyone reach me at fashionisit@yahoo.com...peace

mkcbradley

January 6, 2005 - 12:34 PM

Who won Jay's Episode 3 Design on runwayauction.com for $555.00??? Please tell us about it.

runway

January 6, 2005 - 12:39 PM

....they should do a show for photographers like me, with the prize a magazine contract....

runway

January 6, 2005 - 12:42 PM

....they should do a show for photographers like me or make up artists with the prize being a magazine contract....fashionisit@yahoo.com to reach me anyone.....peace......

Robert_fan

January 6, 2005 - 12:44 PM

Is Robert gay ?

Robert_fan

January 6, 2005 - 12:49 PM

Do you know if Robert is gay or not? I'm wondering ? What do you think?

bganem

January 6, 2005 - 12:53 PM

Team JAY was incredible last night - Tim was right and I completely agree with his views on this. The top contenders will come from this group. That design was a work of art - and it was styled perfectly. I don't understand the judges lack of emotion over it - they barely acknowledged it. I think Austin did not design for the client - he designs for himself and is becoming a parody of himself. It is going to be his downfall. As for the client - well - there is no accounting for taste if you think leg warmers is visionary or cutting edge!

Robert_fan

January 6, 2005 - 12:53 PM

Hi, From what I gather Robert is 28 and I think he may be gay? I say this because I watch little things in the episodes like when he wore the face mask or how in the 2 episode he carried a purse like backpack... I think he is wonderful though but I wonder is he gay or maybe bi?

Robert_fan

January 6, 2005 - 12:58 PM

Hi, I watch every episode and I pick up on little things about Robert. I like him on the show but do you think he is gay or bi sexual?

Loomchick

January 6, 2005 - 01:06 PM

The $100,000 may not cover launching a line . . . but, the winner will have generated so much visilibity and press by then that I wouldn't be surprised if there were people interested in helping underwrite the additional monies . . . plus, the winner would probably receive lots of things (e.g., materials, space, press, etc.) for free that help leverage the $100K into go further than it would for others.

Robert_fan

January 6, 2005 - 01:14 PM

Hey, By chance do you know if Rob is gay?

Robert_fan

January 6, 2005 - 01:21 PM

Hi, Does Robert have his own store and is he gay do you know?

WollmanGirl

January 6, 2005 - 01:26 PM

Does anyone know where Jay's store is or have his e-mail? I met him my first day when we worked abroad in London. Would love to say HI.

Robert_fan

January 6, 2005 - 01:29 PM

Hi, I want to know is Robert gay I just want to know for my self?

lilmiss23

January 6, 2005 - 01:32 PM

I don't really know. I kind of get that vibe. What's Nora's status??

Robert_fan

January 6, 2005 - 01:34 PM

Hi, Do you know if Robert is gay or not?

Maxwell

January 6, 2005 - 01:39 PM

Nora is sofricken hot

lilmiss23

January 6, 2005 - 01:42 PM

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Nora is sofricken hot

ABSOLUTELY!!! I agree!

Robert_fan

January 6, 2005 - 01:42 PM

Hi, I do you know if Robert is gay ? What do you think?

lilmiss23

January 6, 2005 - 01:51 PM

I don't know, there is a possiblity. What about NORA?!

Joanne

January 6, 2005 - 03:12 PM

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.....YOU WERE RIGHT...THE CONTESTANT FROM ENGLAND WAS KICKED OFF THE SHOW...SHE WAS DIPLOMATIC AND DECIDED NOT TO BACKSTAB IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS...I THINK OTHER CULTURES ARE NOT INTO THAT KIND OF RUTHLESS-LIKE BEHAVIOR...

OMG...i just showed my flatmate this message whos from LONDON...She says u r sick and i agree....that was really rude to make such an unaccurate generalization. The British are not ruthless...u r just uncultured and un educated!!!

AND it is true whoever said that most reality tv is copied from english shows.....Americas next top model, American Idol, survivour...the list goes on!!

lilmiss23

January 6, 2005 - 03:33 PM

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I don't know, there is a possiblity. What about NORA?!

DieterFenerque

January 6, 2005 - 03:50 PM

I liked Jay's last two outfits the best. He should have won last nite. Lil Sarah rock N roll star suks big time and that outfit from Kevin,OMG....what was that; Cyndi Lauper redux. As for that whining Nora, if anyone sees her running with scissors, DON'T tell her to stop, and as for dumping Vanessa cuz she sold herself short, what about that flamin, whining Austin, who didn't have the cajones to pick the worst of the team. That showed his flaws were as bad or worse that Vanessa's. Of couse, it was he that was the worst and that godawful dress he designed... Oh pleeeze, gag me with a foot treadle. I pick Jay to win or at least I want him to win.

rufusblue

January 6, 2005 - 03:56 PM

Nah, I don't think Alexandra is a mole. I just think she is rather bland so therefore they don't waste much time with her in interviews. What's she gonna say in the interview.

I think Jay and Kara are the strongest competitors. That oufit was amazing.

Austin and Kevin's were okay but there are way better Gothic Lolita outfits roaming the streets of Harujuku in Japan. And that's what they were, straight up Gothic Lolita, especially Austins. Nothing new and inventive in an Alice in Wonderland gone bad ensemble. Since he works in the theatre I would have assumed he knew that white isn't the wisest choice for performers on stage.

lilmiss23

January 6, 2005 - 04:21 PM

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As for that whining Nora, if anyone sees her running with scissors, DON'T tell her to stop

That's horrible to say. Personally, I think Nora's great

giordano

January 6, 2005 - 04:33 PM

is it just Giordano, or are all Austin's designs basically the same? and are any of y'all surprised the judges have described his work as 'costumey'? We get it...frilly, French revolutiony, blah, blah, blah...

I just don't see his demonstrated ability to create anything beyond what he himself would feel comfortable wearing.

And, Austin, honey, basta with the "froo-froo"...

AuntieKrabby

January 6, 2005 - 05:14 PM

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Really...Austin is NOT going to be in the top 3. He is excellent for theatre but NOT reality. He is extreamly talented but he's gone for sure.

Top 3-Kara, Kevin, and Jay or Wendy not sure yet between those two. A little more to Jay I think--they both impressed me with their versatility between episodes 2 and 3.

I think Austin will be in the top three just because of his 'drama', reality TV loves that. I think Jay will be in. As for the final person, honestly, I think it will be Wendy. Notice the camera time she gets, the anger she stirs up with her 'do anything to win' attitude and notice the change in her, from winning last time to shutting her trap this time. Maybe she finally got smart?

cocoa

January 6, 2005 - 05:32 PM

I agree that wendy finally got smart and shut up so she could stay in. but i don't think there is any way she could win or should win based on her very low self-esteem. how many designers talk incessantly about how envious they are of other artists? certainly not out loud!

wendy's acting way too mental with the "i've got a strategy to befriend people them stab them in the back" and then the "i'm just a mom who runs a little dress shop back home." she can't handle fame or the spotlight.

Istya

January 6, 2005 - 05:37 PM

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is it just Giordano, or are all Austin's designs basically the same? and are any of y'all surprised the judges have described his work as 'costumey'? We get it...frilly, French revolutiony, blah, blah, blah...

It's true that Austin's designs are all similar in their retro feel, but you can't accuse them of being the same structurally, which is really more important. So Austin like's to be vintage- that's his style, his personality, but he has never duplicated any of his designs; they have all been constructed with amazing variety. Others, however, haven't been so consistently inconsistent. Alexanddra, for example, made a tube dress (not terribly difficult to execute) twice in a row- her pantyhose dress and her envy dress were very similar in that respect. Even Jay's fourth design reminded me a little too much of his second- the jumpsuit bottom especially. I'm not saying it's bad (though in Alexandra's case, I think she needs to challenge herself more if she expects to make it), but Austin has not been doing anything of the sort. His first design looked like a normal evening dress save the material, and his second was more wear-able than many of the others. I'm not saying he's the end-all be-all designer, I'm just pointing out that I admire how much he challenges himself with his garment construction each week.

missmac

January 6, 2005 - 06:10 PM

I like Alexandra. I don't think she is falling under the radar. I think she just does her work and concentrates on that. Her designs have been good. Who knows, maybe we will hear more about her. I liked Nora from the beginning and she was my pick for top three, but I don't know after her little tantrum the other night. Robert is hot, but worthless, I think he's a designer so he can be around beautiful, scantily clad models. Jay is abrasive, yet I think he is very talented. I adore Austin, he's such a character. And I think the scary mom designer Wendy seems to have an evil streak and I think she thinks that this her last chance at designing or something.