I think Austin definitely has what it takes to be a designer . . although this last episode that aired - #4 - that design looked like Little Bo Peep was a hooker in Las Vegas. . . ya think she screwed Donald Duck and that's why he sounds like he does . . lol lol - JUST kidding - seriously, Austin-Kara- and Jay - I see as the final three BECAUSE Kara has talent ; Jay- hmm . . his design in Episode #4 was phat ; want to see what else he can actually create this time - Austin- good for drama ? - Hmm, yea he is . . he is flambouyant - but he's good at his craft - designing clothes. Yea, they tend to have a costume-like feel , sorta like Alexander McQueen meets Valentino - ( or does that actually describe Jay's style ) ?? -
I think Wendy- with her whole " porno - romantic lingerie idea" - hmmm . . . . I don't know bout you but if a DESIGNER was telling me my new image is composed of sexy lingerie- I'd simply leave that meeting- and go to Frederick's of Hoolywood if they're going to tell me that type of crock . . really people, - " is that ALL she can create in her mind . . NO WONDER she didn't get picked by Sarah. . . ugh - >:O
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I think Wendy- with her whole " porno - romantic lingerie idea" - hmmm . . . . I don't know bout you but if a DESIGNER was telling me my new image is composed of sexy lingerie- I'd simply leave that meeting- and go to Frederick's of Hoolywood if they're going to tell me that type of crock . . really people, - " is that ALL she can create in her mind . . NO WONDER she didn't get picked by Sarah. . . ugh - >:O
That made me laugh out loud.
Wendy: EVERYTHING is see-through!
Sarah: *looks uncomfortable*
Wendy: But it's not like...overt sexuality or anything. It's total classic prono lingerie!
Sarah: *tries not to vomit*
Haha oh dear. Well what was scary was that so many people thought of hookers. Kevin had his Edwardian hooker, Jay had a futuristic hooker; it was odd.
Austin's was very Little Bo Peep-ish...Funnily enough, that's exactly how he described it to Sarah. So she picked him, but later didn't like it. Again, odd.
I think Nora is just sensitive!!
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I liked Jay's last two outfits the best. He should have won last nite. Lil Sarah rock N roll star suks big time and that outfit from Kevin,OMG....what was that; Cyndi Lauper redux. As for that whining Nora, if anyone sees her running with scissors, DON'T tell her to stop, and as for dumping Vanessa cuz she sold herself short, what about that flamin, whining Austin, who didn't have the cajones to pick the worst of the team. That showed his flaws were as bad or worse that Vanessa's. Of couse, it was he that was the worst and that godawful dress he designed... Oh pleeeze, gag me with a foot treadle. I pick Jay to win or at least I want him to win.
OH MY GAWD - that is so hilarious - ROTFLMAO - i sure could have done without the drama too!!
VANESSA ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i wish i were a girl so i could wear her creations - LOL
country boy favorite...JAY..kudos to you!! growing up in the same area, i about fell over when I was watching the show, McCarrol, I was like...hmm I know that name from somewhere..of cours good ole LLHS...congrats for making it!! best of luck for going all the way!! "the wild card" wild card my ass!
Hey Hey I love Jay his last designs really were the absolute best he should have won the past two episodes his chysler building design was fabulous and i though kevin's design for Sarah Hudson (half sister of the wonderful Kate Hudson) was the crappiest piece of crap ever. I even liked Austin's more than that thing. To Jay I love you honey.
She does seem like she is sensitive and I luv her for that!
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as for dumping Vanessa cuz she sold herself short, what about that flamin, whining Austin, who didn't have the cajones to pick the worst of the team. That showed his flaws were as bad or worse that Vanessa's. Of couse, it was he that was the worst and that godawful dress he designed... Oh pleeeze, gag me with a foot treadle.
OH MY GAWD - that is so hilarious - ROTFLMAO - i sure could have done without the drama too!!
VANESSA ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i wish i were a girl so i could wear her creations - LOL
Yes, I must agree. Austin impressed me in episode one, but he has become increasingly tiresome since then. In the most recent episode, my level of irritation reached epic proportions (see some of my yesterday posts for particulars). His construction always seems quite good, but the style is retro in an icky way. Not "modern with historical references," like Westwood or McQueen or (dare I say) Jay's recent design and Vanessa's website.
Key word: modern. You need to make those corsets and crinolines look new and edgy, not cutesy. Austin seems to have a misty-eyed nostalgia for a time when women were expected to be submissive and purely decorative, and he slavishly recreates looks that embody that aesthetic, with very little freshness about them.
That BoPeep dress with the Very Alarming three-foot bow on the back? Gacch!
I don't see Austin's ideal woman as powerful. Everything he makes seems like it's designed with Hello Kitty in mind as the client.
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is it just Giordano, or are all Austin's designs basically the same? and are any of y'all surprised the judges have described his work as 'costumey'? We get it...frilly, French revolutiony, blah, blah, blah...
I just don't see his demonstrated ability to create anything beyond what he himself would feel comfortable wearing.
And, Austin, honey, basta with the "froo-froo"...
It's not just you, Giordano: All of Austin's designs are basically the same.
Jay is quickly becoming my favorite designer. His chrysler building dress was stunning, and his latest rock-n-roll outfit was amazing. I'm sorry to see Vanessa go. I think her designs have been very good so far, and I applaud her for acknowledging her own weakness. I've liked Kevin's stuff up until this past episode, but in all fairness, I suppose he was designing what he thought Sarah Hudson would like...gawd, that dress was awful! I'd like to see Austin use his talent to create something that someone would actually buy and wear. He's talented, but it's all a little too frilly, fluffy, etc. Kara and Alexandra are solid and their designs are definitely wearable. I'm ready to see Nora go. Her designs aren't offensive, but they just don't stand out when compared to some of the other designers' creations. As for Robert and Wendy. It's been so hit or miss with them that I'd like to see them stay for at least a bit longer, just to see what they've really got.
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Austin's was very Little Bo Peep-ish...Funnily enough, that's exactly how he described it to Sarah. So she picked him, but later didn't like it. Again, odd.
I think she was upset because the color of the dress and the hair was not the same as what he talked to her about. I loved Jays design. I kinda liked Kevins design, not hte color but Sarah was the one who was going to wear it not me and she said he was right on with the design being the same as what he talked about. Wendy annoyed me. Nora suprised me with her tantrum. Alexandra was there????? Vanessas singing cracked me up and Im sad to see her go. and Robert, ahhhhh Robert! Why couldnt they show him shirtless? Always have a scene or two with him shirtless!
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I have been a little skeptical about Austin for a while, but he really annoyed me last night. Again, I want to stress that I don't deny his obvious talent, but it bugs me that everyone here views him as some kind of hero.
First he begins theatrically sobbing, "Oh, I'd rather go myself!"
Seconds later, he's selling out Vanessa. And do you all know why?
BECAUSE VANESSA IS WAY MORE TALENTED THAN WENDY! Austin shrewdly, calculatedly, coldly eliminated the greater threat.
And then he has the gall to make himself over into the victim by sobbing on the couch while the camera should be on Vanessa's goodbye.
Does he go and hug her? NO
Does he ask for her forgiveness or understanding? NO
Does he even say goodbye to her? NO
Instead, he asks for comfort and attention from the others when Vanessa is still stunned and trying to come to grips with what has just happened.
Just because Austin doesn't let the camera see his conniving, like Wendy, doesn't mean he ain't cold. Wake up people.
Pssh! As if anyone could ever sleep while watching this show! Austin doesn't have a conniving bone in his body and "theater" left the building when Daniel left. Yeah he sobbed, I would too! I wouldn't want to pick if it were two people I liked and he liked them both...he didn't know what a sneaky under-handed thing Wendy was. Wendy's part in this was that she refused to communicate. Following what you're told to do is fine, total lack of communication isn't. Vanessa wan't any kind of threat to Austin! She just admitted that she had problems sewing. Wendy did not. So though Wendy is not likeable in my book, she didn't shoot herself in the foot. Vanessa admitted her weakness but instead of the judges looking at it as a sign of strength, the fools looked at it as a sign of hinderance. The judges did the wrong thing, not Austin.
And just what's the matter with a man crying? People are having hissy fits because he let the tears roll - I say let them roll! There's already too much machismo hold-it-in attitude running around...that's half the problem with the world. He was upset, SINCERELY upset not tantrum upset - anyone who uses their heart could see that.
And question...who ever said he was a hero? In reference to what deed?
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Alexandra, Austin, Daniel, Jay, Kara, Kevin, Mario, Nora, Robert, Starr, Vanessa, Wendy are all vying to be the winner. Who's your pick? Who do you dislike? Discuss that all here!
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I have been a little skeptical about Austin for a while, but he really annoyed me last night. Again, I want to stress that I don't deny his obvious talent, but it bugs me that everyone here views him as some kind of hero.
First he begins theatrically sobbing, "Oh, I'd rather go myself!"
Seconds later, he's selling out Vanessa. And do you all know why?
BECAUSE VANESSA IS WAY MORE TALENTED THAN WENDY! Austin shrewdly, calculatedly, coldly eliminated the greater threat.
And then he has the gall to make himself over into the victim by sobbing on the couch while the camera should be on Vanessa's goodbye.
Does he go and hug her? NO
Does he ask for her forgiveness or understanding? NO
Does he even say goodbye to her? NO
Instead, he asks for comfort and attention from the others when Vanessa is still stunned and trying to come to grips with what has just happened.
Just because Austin doesn't let the camera see his conniving, like Wendy, doesn't mean he ain't cold. Wake up people.
Pssh! As if anyone could ever sleep while watching this show! Austin doesn't have a conniving bone in his body and "theater" left the building when Daniel left. Yeah he sobbed, I would too! I wouldn't want to pick if it were two people I liked and he liked them both...he didn't know what a sneaky under-handed thing Wendy was. Wendy's part in this was that she refused to communicate. Following what you're told to do is fine, total lack of communication isn't. Vanessa wan't any kind of threat to Austin! She just admitted that she had problems sewing. Wendy did not. So though Wendy is not likeable in my book, she didn't shoot herself in the foot. Vanessa admitted her weakness but instead of the judges looking at it as a sign of strength, the fools looked at it as a sign of hinderance. The judges did the wrong thing, not Austin.
And just what's the matter with a man crying? People are having hissy fits because he let the tears roll - I say let them roll! There's already too much machismo hold-it-in attitude running around...that's half the problem with the world. He was upset, SINCERELY upset not tantrum upset - anyone who uses their heart could see that.
And question...who ever said he was a hero? In reference to what deed?
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What a dear sweet naif you are!
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You really think Austin carefully considered who was the better team member, and that self-interest played no part in his choice? Dream on.
I have never denied Austin's talent. I don't even particularly begrudge him eliminating Vanessa: it was smart.
What I don't like is the fact that he wants to have it both ways: be the sensitive, sobbing guy who can't eliminate a team member, then turn around and do it. Be shrewd and calculating, but then do the backstage scene hogging the attention and limelight.
What I also don't like is how Austin seems to get a free pass here alot of the time. Everyone here focusses on how "classy" Austin is. That scene was, to say the least, in extremely poor taste.
Austin is simply a more careful Wendy, yet everyone detests her and idolozes him --- and NOT just in terms of the designs, in terms of personality, too.
There's no shame in letting tears flow. And oh yes, did you see Austion turn those cameras on himself? He just got right up there and jumped in front of the lens, didn't he...NOT.
Class is a rarity in people these days - and jealousy can't stand class.
MY GOD!!! What a pain to post a message! I'm really not into this internet chatting BS. BUT!!!!! After VANESSA was eliminated on Wednesday I felt I had to get my opinion out.
WHAT A JOKE!!!!! I've been watching this show since the first episode very closely. I've been trying to figure out what the agenda of the show was and who the true talents were. With Vanessa's elimination, I know. Shear entertainment is the answer. Let's get real on "Reality TV".
BULLS**T!!! The reality is that real talent left this show last Wednesday and I could tell she was over it. So am I. I will not watch another episode.
WHAT A JOKE!!!!! I've been watching this show since the first episode very closely. I've been trying to figure out what the agenda of the show was and who the true talents were. With Vanessa's elimination, I know. Shear entertainment is the answer. Let's get real on "Reality TV".
BULLS**T!!! The reality is that real talent left this show last Wednesday and I could tell she was over it. So am I. I will not watch another episode.
Don't you think that's a bit harsh? Yeah, I'm disappointed too, but it's not like the ones that are left have no talent whatsoever. If the final three were Wendy, Rob, and Alexandra, that would be a joke, but at least Jay, Austin, and Kara are still making me feel talent counts for something.
And what a bitter cynic your are, Paillette.
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Hi, Do you know if Robert is gay or not?
Robert, Kevin, and Daniel are the straight ones...Austin, Jay, and Mario are gay - and Mario was just smokin' HOT!
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And what a bitter cynic your are, Paillette.
No, not a bitter cynic... just aware of the fact that this is a competition.
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I think Austin definitely has what it takes to be a designer . . although this last episode that aired - #4 - that design looked like Little Bo Peep was a hooker in Las Vegas. . . ya think she screwed Donald Duck and that's why he sounds like he does . . lol lol - JUST kidding - seriously, Austin-Kara- and Jay - I see as the final three BECAUSE Kara has talent ; Jay- hmm . . his design in Episode #4 was phat ; want to see what else he can actually create this time - Austin- good for drama ? - Hmm, yea he is . . he is flambouyant - but he's good at his craft - designing clothes. Yea, they tend to have a costume-like feel , sorta like Alexander McQueen meets Valentino - ( or does that actually describe Jay's style ) ?? -
Those are my 3 choices too because:
Austin: Elegant, classy, feminine (though epi 4's challenge was NOT his area - he's still got it)
Jay: Lord that mouth, but he's got serious skills
Kara: Just because she's already established in the business with entertainers
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I found it the height of hypocrisy for Austin to engage in this series of actions:
1-Say with a choked sob that you'd rather go yourself.
2-Immediately thereafter select the more talented of the 2 competitors that you have the opportunity to eliminate.
And worst of all:
3-Proceed to make a spectacle of yourself backstage in order to hog camera time, attention, the comfort of the others, all at a time when that comforting should be given to the REAL person who was in need of it, Vanessa. I think they were crocodile tears, but even if they weren't, this is a time to reign in your emotions and allow the person who's just been booted off to get the comforting outreach, rather than seeking it yourself. That just crossed a line for me.
Think about it with some logic, rather than through the rose-colored glasses you put on when you see Austin. Austin was ranked poorly in this decision as well as the last one. He might fear he's in trouble.
Suddenly, he has an amazing opprtunity: with $100,000 and a fashion week show on the line, he can pre-emptively eliminate one other contestant.
Who's he gonna pick? Obviously the more talented rival.
Quite frankly, he'd be foolish to act otherwise. But to then go on with the sobbing and victimhood scene was really crossing the line into very poor taste.
I found it the height of hypocrisy for Austin to engage in this series of actions:
1-Say with a choked sob that you'd rather go yourself.
2-Immediately thereafter select the more talented of the 2 competitors that you have the opportunity to eliminate.
And worst of all:
3-Proceed to make a spectacle of yourself backstage in order to hog camera time, attention, the comfort of the others, all at a time when that comforting should be given to the REAL person who was in need of it, Vanessa. I think they were crocodile tears, but even if they weren't, this is a time to reign in your emotions and allow the person who's just been booted off to get the comforting outreach, rather than seeking it yourself. That just crossed a line for me.
Think about it with some logic, rather than through the rose-colored glasses you put on when you see Austin. Austin was ranked poorly in this decision as well as the last one. He might fear he's in trouble.
Suddenly, he has an amazing opprtunity: with $100,000 and a fashion week show on the line, he can pre-emptively eliminate one other contestant.
Who's he gonna pick? Obviously the more talented rival.
Quite frankly, he'd be foolish to act otherwise. But to then go on with the sobbing and victimhood scene was really crossing the line into very poor taste.
Hi, Jescci! I was wondering the same thing. I almost forgot about having to hand dye everything for that competition. I think Robert's designs are great. I have him picked for the top three for sure. He was also a good worker in the team competition.
When and where will Hilfiger's show air? I MUST watch!
I totally agree that great talent left on episode 4. I understand the need to work with a team but these were designers trying to lead the competition. Tom Ford does not have to team lead Donna Karan and Calvin Klein.
And as far as Austin's reaction-do not underestimate the power of EDITING! He's emotional and dramatic. I think that shows up in his designs. But he's getting stressed out by the challenges and time constraints and the cameras love exploiting that.
I am just heart broken that Vanessa was kicked off. My only solace is that she has a thriving business in Houston. Check out her website, oh so professional and beautiful.
As far as the winner, maybe Kevin gave them what they wanted but Jays was the best. But I have a theory there as well. In the very speedy credits there is something about the judges decisions include input from the producers. Did anyone else see that? Jay's team was too cohesive. I think they wanted Kevin and Austin's team to go head to head because of all the drama. Better TV. It's a pity because these people showed up to compete with their designs and are being forced to play a ratings game.
And as far as Austin's reaction-do not underestimate the power of EDITING! He's emotional and dramatic. I think that shows up in his designs. But he's getting stressed out by the challenges and time constraints and the cameras love exploiting that.
I am just heart broken that Vanessa was kicked off. My only solace is that she has a thriving business in Houston. Check out her website, oh so professional and beautiful.
As far as the winner, maybe Kevin gave them what they wanted but Jays was the best. But I have a theory there as well. In the very speedy credits there is something about the judges decisions include input from the producers. Did anyone else see that? Jay's team was too cohesive. I think they wanted Kevin and Austin's team to go head to head because of all the drama. Better TV. It's a pity because these people showed up to compete with their designs and are being forced to play a ratings game.
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In the very speedy credits there is something about the judges decisions include input from the producers. Did anyone else see that? Jay's team was too cohesive. I think they wanted Kevin and Austin's team to go head to head because of all the drama. Better TV. It's a pity because these people showed up to compete with their designs and are being forced to play a ratings game.
Yeah, everyone has been noticing that recently. It just seemed really weird that Jay's team couldn't get out...not only did it contradict the "anyone can be eliminated" thing, but also, wouldn't it have been more dramatic to have the best real team pick their weakest link (I've no doubt who it would have been, but still)? I think it would have.
I have to believe that the producers have input, because I'm hoping, nay *praying*, that no one would pick that pink...thing...over Jay's without provocation.
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I have been a little skeptical about Austin for a while, but he really annoyed me last night. Again, I want to stress that I don't deny his obvious talent, but it bugs me that everyone here views him as some kind of hero.
First he begins theatrically sobbing, "Oh, I'd rather go myself!"
Seconds later, he's selling out Vanessa. And do you all know why?
BECAUSE VANESSA IS WAY MORE TALENTED THAN WENDY! Austin shrewdly, calculatedly, coldly eliminated the greater threat.
And then he has the gall to make himself over into the victim by sobbing on the couch while the camera should be on Vanessa's goodbye.
Does he go and hug her? NO
Does he ask for her forgiveness or understanding? NO
Does he even say goodbye to her? NO
Instead, he asks for comfort and attention from the others when Vanessa is still stunned and trying to come to grips with what has just happened.
Just because Austin doesn't let the camera see his conniving, like Wendy, doesn't mean he ain't cold. Wake up people.
Pssh! As if anyone could ever sleep while watching this show! Austin doesn't have a conniving bone in his body and "theater" left the building when Daniel left. Yeah he sobbed, I would too! I wouldn't want to pick if it were two people I liked and he liked them both...he didn't know what a sneaky under-handed thing Wendy was. Wendy's part in this was that she refused to communicate. Following what you're told to do is fine, total lack of communication isn't. Vanessa wan't any kind of threat to Austin! She just admitted that she had problems sewing. Wendy did not. So though Wendy is not likeable in my book, she didn't shoot herself in the foot. Vanessa admitted her weakness but instead of the judges looking at it as a sign of strength, the fools looked at it as a sign of hinderance. The judges did the wrong thing, not Austin.
And just what's the matter with a man crying? People are having hissy fits because he let the tears roll - I say let them roll! There's already too much machismo hold-it-in attitude running around...that's half the problem with the world. He was upset, SINCERELY upset not tantrum upset - anyone who uses their heart could see that.
And question...who ever said he was a hero? In reference to what deed?
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What a dear sweet naif you are!
Not naive, just feeling from the heart. Come on, surely you remember how that feels.
Hi, Nirvanagrrl! I think you are so right on. I love Robert - the man, the designer, and his sexy smile. Austin is wonderful. I love Jay too. If he were to host a party, much of the world would come. However, I think Kara Saun will probably win the grand prize. She just has the total package - talent, experience, training, and personality.
"Not naive, just feeling from the heart. Come on, surely you remember how that feels."
I object to your suggestion that I am heartless. It's really a question of context. I give my heart to my family and friends. I judge people on competition-based reality shows with my head.
I object to your suggestion that I am heartless. It's really a question of context. I give my heart to my family and friends. I judge people on competition-based reality shows with my head.
Missfasionista, I think people are put off by her duplicity. If anyone questions her talent, they should view her website. She is quite talented; her dresses are breathtaking. I also think she has done the best job of listening to the judge's critiques and trying to give them what they want. Many of us watching the show are fashion people ourselves, and it's frustrating when someone pretends to be something they are not. That being said, backstabbing is a part of any business, including the fashion industry. In that respect, Wendy is adding to the younger designer's education in life experience. I am glad she is someone you like and admire. She must have some good attributes to have such a good friend to stick up for her.
THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING- PLUS... I HAD NO IDEA UNTIL I READ HER DETAILS, THAT SHE IS 37... SHE LOOKS LIKE A 20-SOMETHING AGED GIRL.... ;-) .... believe it or not - I just typed this with my right hand while my left one is underneath my daughter's head ; she's eating her breastmilk... ;D ... is THAT talent or what....??
Due to technical difficulties, my daughter and I had to watch this week's episode at my mom's house. A historical event occurred - the three of us actually agreed on something! We loved Jay and his team's design the best. It really should have won. While we have liked Nora's designs in the past, she should have been disqualified when she went storming out of the workroom. After all, in the real world, that kind of behavior will get you canned at most any job. Even McDonald's...
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"Not naive, just feeling from the heart. Come on, surely you remember how that feels."
I object to your suggestion that I am heartless. It's really a question of context. I give my heart to my family and friends. I judge people on competition-based reality shows with my head.
And I object to your reference that I am naive - oh wait, not really...I wouldn't want to be overly dramatic.
Even now, aren't we.
If I wanted to say you're heartless, I'd come out and bluntly say it. I'm not here to try to hurt you...I'm sure that's not on either of our agenda. My reference meant to remember there may have been a time when you felt the same feelings that went through Austin (friends, family, whoever) and that you may have reacted the same way. I know I have and if anyone calls me "overly dramatic" for it I'm going to say, "so? yes? and? point?" Being human, it's everyone at one point or another and I refuse to let the emotional-phobia world turn the word "drama" into a bad word.
Example of emotion people have NOT called dramatic: Jay when Mario got kicked off.
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THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING- PLUS... I HAD NO IDEA UNTIL I READ HER DETAILS, THAT SHE IS 37... SHE LOOKS LIKE A 20-SOMETHING AGED GIRL.... ;-) .... believe it or not - I just typed this with my right hand while my left one is underneath my daughter's head ; she's eating her breastmilk... ;D ... is THAT talent or what....??
You're multitasking, lol! How old is the lil' cutie?
I'm somewhat surprised by how my opinions have evolved about the remaining designers . . .
Jay - I wasn't too sure about him in the beginning . . . I was somewhat put off my his "come to Jesus" thing during the auction . . . although, I have to recognize the auction in episode #2 was delivered as a surprise to the designers . . . Episode #2 made it look like they didn't even get the opportunity to prepare for the auction . . . almost as though they went from workroom to boutique . . . but, I look forward more and more to what Jay comes up with . . . his dress in episode #3 shows that he can listen and dig down deep and pull out new ideas and apply them with style and originality . . . and I think he did by far the best design in episode #4
Wendy - As a 40-something designer myself, I was really glad in the first episode to see the inclusion of "mature" people . . . but, Wendy leaves me cold . . . I don't think her designs are anything special . . . and usually fall short of creative and original . . . but, I don't like how she represents older women . . . She seems to have a bad attitude about everything it seems . . . and her games are ultimately going to backfire . . . if the producers get a say in who stays and who goes, they may play Wendy out for a while, but they'll never let her win . . . plus, for a woman approaching 40 (isn't she only 39), she looks so bloody matronly and dowdy . . . I want to get my hands on her hair and completely redo the cut and color
Kara - I want to see more of her during the show . . . I like her attitude, designs, professional, etc. I like her more and more with every episode . . . Not only has she begun to show her abilities, but she has demonstrated an ability to work well with others.
Alexandra - Too little air time during the show . . . Her designs are okay . . . but, there hasn't been much opportunity to get to know her
Kevin - I like him . . . although, he's a bit passive . . . and other than his outfit in episode #4, I have liked his designs . . . and the guy is 44 years old . . . I think he looks pretty good . . . I look forward to his future designs
Robert - somewhat of an enigma for me . . . I think he's got some really good technical skills when it comes to making a garment fit . . . and hopefully, he won't have to make the decision about which model goes for a while
Nora - I think she has a lot of potential . . . but, my opinion of her really slid downward fast during episode #4 and her childish behavior . . . she's ultimately going to be her own worst enemy
Austin - What can I say . . . I have a love/hate thing going for him . . . I love his designs, but hate that he hasn't really shown his versatility . . . which is fine I guess for a designer . . . don't most of them have a "look" any way . . . he makes for great entertainment with his outpouring of emotion . . . I think he could really shine in episode #5 since a wedding dress seems right up his alley
I like this show more and more . . . I'd really like to see more of Tim . . . or I'd like to see him do a show with students in design school preparing to graduate, giving them feedack, helping them evolve and mature their designs and skills, preparing their portfolios, making the transition from student to professional designer, etc.
I'm ambivalent about the judges . . . I thought Michael Kors had some good feedback . . . but taking an unknown rock performer really distorts things for me . . . but, it may make future judges look better by comparison.
Can't wait for episode #5 . . . looking forward to both the designs and drama!
Jay - I wasn't too sure about him in the beginning . . . I was somewhat put off my his "come to Jesus" thing during the auction . . . although, I have to recognize the auction in episode #2 was delivered as a surprise to the designers . . . Episode #2 made it look like they didn't even get the opportunity to prepare for the auction . . . almost as though they went from workroom to boutique . . . but, I look forward more and more to what Jay comes up with . . . his dress in episode #3 shows that he can listen and dig down deep and pull out new ideas and apply them with style and originality . . . and I think he did by far the best design in episode #4
Wendy - As a 40-something designer myself, I was really glad in the first episode to see the inclusion of "mature" people . . . but, Wendy leaves me cold . . . I don't think her designs are anything special . . . and usually fall short of creative and original . . . but, I don't like how she represents older women . . . She seems to have a bad attitude about everything it seems . . . and her games are ultimately going to backfire . . . if the producers get a say in who stays and who goes, they may play Wendy out for a while, but they'll never let her win . . . plus, for a woman approaching 40 (isn't she only 39), she looks so bloody matronly and dowdy . . . I want to get my hands on her hair and completely redo the cut and color
Kara - I want to see more of her during the show . . . I like her attitude, designs, professional, etc. I like her more and more with every episode . . . Not only has she begun to show her abilities, but she has demonstrated an ability to work well with others.
Alexandra - Too little air time during the show . . . Her designs are okay . . . but, there hasn't been much opportunity to get to know her
Kevin - I like him . . . although, he's a bit passive . . . and other than his outfit in episode #4, I have liked his designs . . . and the guy is 44 years old . . . I think he looks pretty good . . . I look forward to his future designs
Robert - somewhat of an enigma for me . . . I think he's got some really good technical skills when it comes to making a garment fit . . . and hopefully, he won't have to make the decision about which model goes for a while
Nora - I think she has a lot of potential . . . but, my opinion of her really slid downward fast during episode #4 and her childish behavior . . . she's ultimately going to be her own worst enemy
Austin - What can I say . . . I have a love/hate thing going for him . . . I love his designs, but hate that he hasn't really shown his versatility . . . which is fine I guess for a designer . . . don't most of them have a "look" any way . . . he makes for great entertainment with his outpouring of emotion . . . I think he could really shine in episode #5 since a wedding dress seems right up his alley
I like this show more and more . . . I'd really like to see more of Tim . . . or I'd like to see him do a show with students in design school preparing to graduate, giving them feedack, helping them evolve and mature their designs and skills, preparing their portfolios, making the transition from student to professional designer, etc.
I'm ambivalent about the judges . . . I thought Michael Kors had some good feedback . . . but taking an unknown rock performer really distorts things for me . . . but, it may make future judges look better by comparison.
Can't wait for episode #5 . . . looking forward to both the designs and drama!
I would to see a spin-off show for Tim Gunn. He is awesome. They could call is "Freshman Designs" or something witty.
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"I'm not here to try to hurt you...I'm sure that's not on either of our agenda."
You're right... I apologize, sincerely, for the obnoxiouos naive comment. Peace?
BUT! I do like a good debate! So...
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that A. really was devastated by having to make a "Sophie's Choice." Let's say he really was overcome by emotion backstage. I don't actually buy it, but OK, let's start from this premise.
I still think the sobbing and wailing was in extremely poor taste. Sob and wail later: fine. As you say, there's nothing wrong with a man crying. That's not at all the nature of my objection.
My objection is this:
When someone has just been harmed in some way, and you yourself are (a) partially to blame for it, even involuntarily, and (still in a favorable position, without having suffered anywhere near the same degree of harm, then it is tasteless to act like a greater victim.
However strong his emotions (though again, I remain unconvinced) the truly "classy" thing to do would have been to have allowed Vanessa to be the focus of everyone's comfort, rather than seeking it for himself. I was appalled when I saw Alexandra comforting Austin rather than Vanessa in her last moments on the show. It just was not the right thing to do.
"I'm not here to try to hurt you...I'm sure that's not on either of our agenda."
You're right... I apologize, sincerely, for the obnoxiouos naive comment. Peace?
BUT! I do like a good debate! So...
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that A. really was devastated by having to make a "Sophie's Choice." Let's say he really was overcome by emotion backstage. I don't actually buy it, but OK, let's start from this premise.
I still think the sobbing and wailing was in extremely poor taste. Sob and wail later: fine. As you say, there's nothing wrong with a man crying. That's not at all the nature of my objection.
My objection is this:
When someone has just been harmed in some way, and you yourself are (a) partially to blame for it, even involuntarily, and ( still in a favorable position, without having suffered anywhere near the same degree of harm, then it is tasteless to act like a greater victim.
However strong his emotions (though again, I remain unconvinced) the truly "classy" thing to do would have been to have allowed Vanessa to be the focus of everyone's comfort, rather than seeking it for himself. I was appalled when I saw Alexandra comforting Austin rather than Vanessa in her last moments on the show. It just was not the right thing to do.
You're right... I apologize, sincerely, for the obnoxiouos naive comment. Peace?
BUT! I do like a good debate! So...
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that A. really was devastated by having to make a "Sophie's Choice." Let's say he really was overcome by emotion backstage. I don't actually buy it, but OK, let's start from this premise.
I still think the sobbing and wailing was in extremely poor taste. Sob and wail later: fine. As you say, there's nothing wrong with a man crying. That's not at all the nature of my objection.
My objection is this:
When someone has just been harmed in some way, and you yourself are (a) partially to blame for it, even involuntarily, and (
still in a favorable position, without having suffered anywhere near the same degree of harm, then it is tasteless to act like a greater victim.However strong his emotions (though again, I remain unconvinced) the truly "classy" thing to do would have been to have allowed Vanessa to be the focus of everyone's comfort, rather than seeking it for himself. I was appalled when I saw Alexandra comforting Austin rather than Vanessa in her last moments on the show. It just was not the right thing to do.
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"I'm not here to try to hurt you...I'm sure that's not on either of our agenda."
You're right... I apologize, sincerely, for the obnoxiouos naive comment. Peace?
BUT! I do like a good debate! So...
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that A. really was devastated by having to make a "Sophie's Choice." Let's say he really was overcome by emotion backstage. I don't actually buy it, but OK, let's start from this premise.
I still think the sobbing and wailing was in extremely poor taste. Sob and wail later: fine. As you say, there's nothing wrong with a man crying. That's not at all the nature of my objection.
My objection is this:
When someone has just been harmed in some way, and you yourself are (a) partially to blame for it, even involuntarily, and (
However strong his emotions (though again, I remain unconvinced) the truly "classy" thing to do would have been to have allowed Vanessa to be the focus of everyone's comfort, rather than seeking it for himself. I was appalled when I saw Alexandra comforting Austin rather than Vanessa in her last moments on the show. It just was not the right thing to do.
But I'm not a debater - I'm more of an emotional (train) wreck on a one way track! I'm sorry too - peace
A. Crying does not have a time - it comes when it comes. You may be able to hold it in for another time, another person (moi, the train wreck) may let it go immediately. It depends, for me at least, on how much you're hurting inside.
B. I don't blame Austin, I blame the judges. They had 6 people to choose from up there, they didn't have to choose the ones they did - that was their (and the producers/ speculatively) choice. They were not confined to Nora and Vanessa but they were the ones they chose to consider for elimination. Obviously the wrong one was chosen and that just leaves a bitter taste on the whole show.
C. Austin was not acting like a victim...it was genuinely a hurtful experience. When they picked Vanessa, I stomped around my house shouting, "WHAT?! WHAT?!" It may have been a dramatic outbreak to others but I was PISSED!!! If I had been there I would have walked out on that stage and told the judges about themselves too, competition or not! Of course in doing that, I would have missed saying good-bye to Vanessa. That's just me. Here there's editing and a while back I was thinking, 'They show Austin hugging people first when they come offstage...hmmm. I'm sure the others get first hugs too - it's just editing.'
Lessons here:
1. Emotions are a funny thing and vary from person to person
2. Hold most opinions until the outtake dvd is released
3. The viewer audience should be the judge
4. Jay's team's outfit really was the best (sorry, had to put that in there)
I think the reason they picked Vanessa over Nora was that Nora was on the winning team and Vanessa wasnt.
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I don't blame Austin, I blame the judges.
4. Jay's team's outfit really was the best (sorry, had to put that in there)
Jay's outfit was DEFINTIELY the best. I was stunned when they called his team forward and then told them all to leave.
But there's a gap in your logic about Austin. If the judges (or producers) were entirely responsible for Vanessa's elimination, then why did he react so strongly? If we take his outburst seriously (which I don't) then clearly he himself felt that his choice of Vanessa was the deciding element.
It sure seemed that way to me. He was the last person to make a choice, and it gave him a lot of power. This was the situation when he was asked to choose:
Kevin got 2 votes, from his team, but was the winning designer and so couldn't be eliminated.
Nora got 1 vote, from Kevin.
Austin got 1 vote, from Wendy.
Vanessa got 1 vote, rather stupidly, from herself.
Austin's decision made Vanessa the only one with 2 votes, aside from the off-limits Kevin. I certainly thought that was an important, deciding factor for the judges.
I know I posted somewhere else -- but dang if I can find it ---
I am really really upset at Vanessa getting "booted." I really felt that ( in spite of some previously good designs ), that NORA should have gone. She as way too challenging of everything Kevin said ( it was HIS design after all ), she was involved in the "lost pattern" incident... and most importantly --- she did the whole drama queen thing. It not only was extremely annoying ( and if was to us; think how it must have been to them ) , but she wasted valuable work time, created extreme stress.. and yes -- she did blame other people for stealing. Certainly that should have shown the judges that she was -- at the very least --- not a person who "works well with others." And -- if the winner is indeed going to get an apprenticeship with BR; then wouldn't they want someone who is a team player ?>???
I am not convinced that Vanessa would have won; in fact; I don't think she would have... but to have her booted for being HONEST -- what does that tell people ? It tells people that in order to get anywhere in life; it isn't about talent -- it's about backstabbing and coniving.
I am really really upset at Vanessa getting "booted." I really felt that ( in spite of some previously good designs ), that NORA should have gone. She as way too challenging of everything Kevin said ( it was HIS design after all ), she was involved in the "lost pattern" incident... and most importantly --- she did the whole drama queen thing. It not only was extremely annoying ( and if was to us; think how it must have been to them ) , but she wasted valuable work time, created extreme stress.. and yes -- she did blame other people for stealing. Certainly that should have shown the judges that she was -- at the very least --- not a person who "works well with others." And -- if the winner is indeed going to get an apprenticeship with BR; then wouldn't they want someone who is a team player ?>???
I am not convinced that Vanessa would have won; in fact; I don't think she would have... but to have her booted for being HONEST -- what does that tell people ? It tells people that in order to get anywhere in life; it isn't about talent -- it's about backstabbing and coniving.
Here it was -- I put it under style ??
HI Everyone ~ this is my first time posting anywhere !
But I had to write to this one ... I have been a rabid follower of the show; and thought I would post my thoughts. On the first episode ( creativity ); I was SOOO impressed with the dress that Austin made.. and was mortified by the outfits by Wendy and Starr in particular...
On episode 2 ( cotton ); I was SOOO disgusted by Wendy's "plot" to win the show-- that frankly; I was wishing her off. AND -- I really agreed with the judges that her's was one of the worst outfits made. I also was appalled at Starr's outfits ( both #1 and #2 ). I was not surprised to see Mario go... I just thought that Starr and Wendy would go first. Speaking of Starr --- how did she even manage to get on the show with her designs ? The best design I saw of hers is the one that is in the RUNWAY store -- the t-shirt.
The 3rd episode -- the BR design one. I liked Wendy's design; and frankly was surprised that she pulled it off so well. However; I clearly thought that Jay's design was the winner. I understand that it would be difficult to produce en masse... but jeez it was gorgeous. I also thought that Austin's was wonderful. Vintage style ? Yes. But it also was simply gorgeous, and to me; was a perfect representation of a party dress. I also like Alexandra's. Not as much as I like Jay's and Austin's.. but it was certainly prettier than Wendy's... and should have been easily reproduced for BR.
The 4th epsiode ( teamwork ); was a real stumper. I was surprised at the teams in general ( that is .. who ended up working with whom ). And then --- once again I was amazed at Wendy's attitude in not talking to anyone... and even more shocked at Nora's complete breakdown and hissy fit. Vanessa; while perhaps not the "best sewer" on the show.. was at least honest in saying she may have been the weakest "link" in her team -- and she gets punished for her nonesty by getting booted ???? What kind of message is that sending to people.... that to get anywhere in life you have to lie and backstab ?
Clearly; I felt that Nora should have left because of her complete immaturity and disfunctionality in working in a team environment. She challenged her design leader; Kevin; on everything he said; was careless with supplies ( losing the pattern piece ), and wasting much needed time and energy making the outfit by her tantrums. I really felt she should have gone instead.. based on her attitude and "work ethic" during the show. I agree that Nora has talent -- but perhaps she should try again when she matures a bit ?
I did like the outfit that Austin's group made; but according to the singer; it strayed from the original concept... and therefor; was not a contender for first place.
I was surprised that Kevin's outfit won first place. Firstly, because of the whole lack of teamwork; and also because, frankly, I didn't think it was as good as Jay's design.
I felt that Jay's team not only functioned the best together; but I also felt that they definately should have gotten first for their design also. It was an awesome outift.. innovative with the removeable skirt.. leather and feathers.. what more could a rocker want ?
Any thoughts ?
HI Everyone ~ this is my first time posting anywhere !
But I had to write to this one ... I have been a rabid follower of the show; and thought I would post my thoughts. On the first episode ( creativity ); I was SOOO impressed with the dress that Austin made.. and was mortified by the outfits by Wendy and Starr in particular...
On episode 2 ( cotton ); I was SOOO disgusted by Wendy's "plot" to win the show-- that frankly; I was wishing her off. AND -- I really agreed with the judges that her's was one of the worst outfits made. I also was appalled at Starr's outfits ( both #1 and #2 ). I was not surprised to see Mario go... I just thought that Starr and Wendy would go first. Speaking of Starr --- how did she even manage to get on the show with her designs ? The best design I saw of hers is the one that is in the RUNWAY store -- the t-shirt.
The 3rd episode -- the BR design one. I liked Wendy's design; and frankly was surprised that she pulled it off so well. However; I clearly thought that Jay's design was the winner. I understand that it would be difficult to produce en masse... but jeez it was gorgeous. I also thought that Austin's was wonderful. Vintage style ? Yes. But it also was simply gorgeous, and to me; was a perfect representation of a party dress. I also like Alexandra's. Not as much as I like Jay's and Austin's.. but it was certainly prettier than Wendy's... and should have been easily reproduced for BR.
The 4th epsiode ( teamwork ); was a real stumper. I was surprised at the teams in general ( that is .. who ended up working with whom ). And then --- once again I was amazed at Wendy's attitude in not talking to anyone... and even more shocked at Nora's complete breakdown and hissy fit. Vanessa; while perhaps not the "best sewer" on the show.. was at least honest in saying she may have been the weakest "link" in her team -- and she gets punished for her nonesty by getting booted ???? What kind of message is that sending to people.... that to get anywhere in life you have to lie and backstab ?
Clearly; I felt that Nora should have left because of her complete immaturity and disfunctionality in working in a team environment. She challenged her design leader; Kevin; on everything he said; was careless with supplies ( losing the pattern piece ), and wasting much needed time and energy making the outfit by her tantrums. I really felt she should have gone instead.. based on her attitude and "work ethic" during the show. I agree that Nora has talent -- but perhaps she should try again when she matures a bit ?
I did like the outfit that Austin's group made; but according to the singer; it strayed from the original concept... and therefor; was not a contender for first place.
I was surprised that Kevin's outfit won first place. Firstly, because of the whole lack of teamwork; and also because, frankly, I didn't think it was as good as Jay's design.
I felt that Jay's team not only functioned the best together; but I also felt that they definately should have gotten first for their design also. It was an awesome outift.. innovative with the removeable skirt.. leather and feathers.. what more could a rocker want ?
Any thoughts ?
Robert, Robert, Robert, oh where oh where is my t-shirt.
Come on dude, snap out of it and show us what you got.
Come on dude, snap out of it and show us what you got.
I agree with all said!!!! I'm a new poster but obsessive follower as well. It's interesting to me that the truly gifted of the group--in my opinion, Austin, Jay, and Kara--find time to only worry about themselves and their designs. It is unfortunate that Nora is a backstabbing brat--I liked her enough, design-wise before the last episode, but seeing her true colors really made me pissed off. And I agree, Vanessa should have stayed--she wasn't probably the best, but some of her designs were right up there and she always made more interesting choices than other people--and definitely edged out Nora in group-work situations. Let's hope the judging gets better next week--based on real design talent (Jay's team design not winning??????!!? What???) and on honesty, good attitudes, and drive, in personality. (Goodbye Nora!)
Quote:I absolutely agree.He is SO Freaken Hot. I practically watch every show twice just so i can see him.Have you seen his arms.They are so buff!I wonder if he works out.what do you think? <YAY!!>
Austin is so effin' hot. Seriously, I was watching last night for the sole purpose of looking at that hot man. What a gorgeous man, really, I couldn't stop thinking about it.
Quote:I totally agree! What was up with kevin's dress? Jay's was so much better! Kevin's had way too much random stuff on it.Jay should have won.What do you think?
I liked Jay's a lot, but I thought Kevin's was horrible. It was ill-fitting and there was too much going on at once. Plus a fuschia dress on a girl with red hair? Not a good match.
Quote:I don't mean to be harsh or anything but i totally don't agree with your comment about austin!He didn't ask for comfort.I believe he was truely upset.I think that he thought that the decision to get rid of vanessa had something to do with what he said,when actually the Judges got rid of vanessa because she was stupid and said that she herself should be eliminated.Even if you are weak in sewing, why would you say that?,she should have known that when she said that she would be eliminated.Finally for the record i think austin is a truelly caring person.He had no reason to ask for her forgiveness cause he wasn't the one who kicked vanessa off.IT WAS THE JUDGES!!!He was just being honest. Anyone else agree with me?
I have been a little skeptical about Austin for a while, but he really annoyed me last night. Again, I want to stress that I don't deny his obvious talent, but it bugs me that everyone here views him as some kind of hero.
First he begins theatrically sobbing, "Oh, I'd rather go myself!"
Seconds later, he's selling out Vanessa. And do you all know why?
BECAUSE VANESSA IS WAY MORE TALENTED THAN WENDY! Austin shrewdly, calculatedly, coldly eliminated the greater threat.
And then he has the gall to make himself over into the victim by sobbing on the couch while the camera should be on Vanessa's goodbye.
Does he go and hug her? NO
Does he ask for her forgiveness or understanding? NO
Does he even say goodbye to her? NO
Instead, he asks for comfort and attention from the others when Vanessa is still stunned and trying to come to grips with what has just happened.
Just because Austin doesn't let the camera see his conniving, like Wendy, doesn't mean he ain't cold. Wake up people.
This is going to come down to raw talent and the ability to function under stress. Austin, Jay, Kara, Nora and, perhaps, Kevin have the raw talent. Kara and Kevin can obviously function under stress. Jay and Austin both engage in histrionics but don't let it interfere with the creative process so they, too, function under stress. Norah's meltdown under stress may be her undoing.
Wendy's party dress would suggest a competitive level of talent if we hadn't seen her first two dresses. She's simply not up to the level of the others I've named in the talent department.She can function under stress, however, and that shouldn't be discounted as an important skill. Clearly, she's a backstabbing [expletive deleted], which she demonstrated when she named Austin, totally without justification, as the weakest member of her team. Clearly, she did so in attempt to eliminate a strong competitor. It was a stupid mistake because it was obvious that Austin was not going to eliminated and now she's revealed her underhandedness. None of the designers, at least none with any sense of self-preservation, will trust her again.
The crybaby was doomed from episode one. How she ever functions as an attorney will remain a mystery.
If Austin can tailor his designs more to the design challenge instead of always going retro (which he does beautifully), I predict he will prevail.
Wendy's party dress would suggest a competitive level of talent if we hadn't seen her first two dresses. She's simply not up to the level of the others I've named in the talent department.She can function under stress, however, and that shouldn't be discounted as an important skill. Clearly, she's a backstabbing [expletive deleted], which she demonstrated when she named Austin, totally without justification, as the weakest member of her team. Clearly, she did so in attempt to eliminate a strong competitor. It was a stupid mistake because it was obvious that Austin was not going to eliminated and now she's revealed her underhandedness. None of the designers, at least none with any sense of self-preservation, will trust her again.
The crybaby was doomed from episode one. How she ever functions as an attorney will remain a mystery.
If Austin can tailor his designs more to the design challenge instead of always going retro (which he does beautifully), I predict he will prevail.
I for one, am sad to see Vanessa go. I thought her designs were incredible. Why would she get booted for admitting her faults? She was truthful about it. But on the other hand, I thought Wendy did the best job in supporting Austin and his ideas.
Yes I agree, Jay should have won. I thought he had the best team overall.With Kara and Robert, what could go wrong?
Nora. Maybe it was the stress but she was way to dramatic on the episode. "I'm too good for this"? EXCUSE ME! This is a chance of a lifetime, Michael Kors is to good for it, Tom Ford is to good for it, You my dear,need this oppurtunity! And the constant accusations of people stealing eachother's stuff is a little annoying. And in all fairness, she should have been the one to go. She kept backtalking and arguing with Kevin. Kevin was the head designer and she would have gotten fired if it was a real job. Don't get me wrong, I do think that she has great talent for being so young, but she could have done a better job in working with Kevin, instead of aganist him.
Yes I agree, Jay should have won. I thought he had the best team overall.With Kara and Robert, what could go wrong?
Nora. Maybe it was the stress but she was way to dramatic on the episode. "I'm too good for this"? EXCUSE ME! This is a chance of a lifetime, Michael Kors is to good for it, Tom Ford is to good for it, You my dear,need this oppurtunity! And the constant accusations of people stealing eachother's stuff is a little annoying. And in all fairness, she should have been the one to go. She kept backtalking and arguing with Kevin. Kevin was the head designer and she would have gotten fired if it was a real job. Don't get me wrong, I do think that she has great talent for being so young, but she could have done a better job in working with Kevin, instead of aganist him.
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