bowls4soup1985
January 14, 2005 - 06:24 PM
Hi, everybody. I've been here for a while but I haven't really posted much, so this is just basically saying hi and giving my basic opinions of the show.
I'm a young aspiring fashion designer and this show has really inspired me. I've made two outfits since it started and usually I make about one every three months or so. I absoloutely love this show!
Here are my opinions on each of the fashion designers that remain in the competetion. Rated from best to worst.
1. Jay! I love Jay! I hope he wins, but something is telling me that he's not going to. But, if I was a foot taller and twenty pounds lighter, I would wear everything that he's designed. He should of atleast one challenge so far, maybe more. I love him! I'm going to be mad if he gets eliminated for beating up Austin. I don't blame him for wanting to just beat the crap out of him. I don't think he's going to, though. They always make you think someone is going to get eliminated and then it's someone else.
2. Kevin - I loved his latest four dresses, but his first one was just awful! I can forgive him for that, though, because the rest of them were awesome!
3. Alexandra - I actually find all of her stuff really pretty! It might be nice if she spiced it up a little bit. And I didn't like her wedding dress much. But I LOVED Her BR dress and her Envy dress and her innovation dress was one of the few that I could ever even imagine wearing. Even though it's too skimpy for me. We don't really know her character, though, whereas everyone else has some specific traits that we love or hate.
4. Kara. Everyone just loves Kara's designs, but I honestly don't think that they are all that special. I would never buy any of them. She needs to spice it up, too. She's had virtually the same neckline every challenge. And her wedding dress was not too far off from her envy dress. Both of which challenges she's won. Seems a bit ironic. I don't think they're ugly. Just not that great. A four. Kinda like a C. Just, average. She's nice, though.
5. Rob. I either love or hate his clothes. A little more hate than love, I think. I like his personality, though.
6. Austin. One of his dresses was decent looking. It wasn't even the corn husk dress. I hated that. Plus, I live in Illinois (and not Chicago) completely surrounded by corn. There's corn everywhere you look! Almost everyone here's first job was corn husking. You walk down my street two houses, you come to corn. Walk a half a mile, there's a huge subdivision completely surrounded by corn. I know corn. I know the way corn husks work and feel and I know that his corn dress was very lucky to make it up and down the runway without completely falling apart. His banana republic dress was OK. But just too costumed. Everything else is just awful. He should of been out this last episode instead of Nora. She actually had talent. Unlike him.
7. Wendy. Hate her. Hate her clothes. What else is there to say? She's a horrible person and a horrible designer. She should of been out the first round. Her innovation dress looked like something you'd see at Carnival in Brazil, or in a big street party in the Bahamas, or Mardi Gras. The mask on her envy dress looked like a bird. and I agree, it didn't look complete. Her BR dress was just . . . eh . . . kinda looks like something a vampire costume in a movie based on an Anne Rice book. She was such an awful teammate in the Rock Star challenge. So uncommunicative. And her wedding dress . . . Red on a wedding dress. I would never have red on a wedding dress. In my mind, it's kindof like wearing red to a funeral. But, wasn't it the model's pick? I dunno. I still hate her.
Anyway . . . are they ever going to show the first episode again? I only saw the first ten and last five minutes of it and I'd like to see what happened.
corprip
January 14, 2005 - 06:35 PM
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7. Wendy. Hate her. Hate her clothes. What else is there to say? She's a horrible person and a horrible designer. She should of been out the first round. Her innovation dress looked like something you'd see at Carnival in Brazil, or in a big street party in the Bahamas, or Mardi Gras. The mask on her envy dress looked like a bird. and I agree, it didn't look complete. Her BR dress was just . . . eh . . . kinda looks like something a vampire costume in a movie based on an Anne Rice book. She was such an awful teammate in the Rock Star challenge. So uncommunicative. And her wedding dress . . . Red on a wedding dress. I would never have red on a wedding dress. In my mind, it's kindof like wearing red to a funeral. But, wasn't it the model's pick? I dunno. I still hate her.
Bowls4soup, you are fabulous. Although I think you're giving Wendy way too much credit on that innovation piece. It was totally unwearable; and the whole carnaval thing would have gone over my head if she hadn't explained. Like Nina, enough.
But do post more sweetie... I loved reading your review.
JustTzujIt
January 14, 2005 - 06:55 PM
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I think if anyone else made Austin's dress they would have been out. Also, I think if Austin made Nora's he wouldn't have been eliminated.
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Everyone who's been saying this, please remember: Nora went out because she sacrificed too much of her own style for her model's. Nora would never have done or approved that dress on her own, and you know it. What Austin made wasn't the most traditional wedding dress, but she did say in the beginning that it didn't have to be traditional. I wouldn't wear it, but it was very much his style. They see the potential in him, and wedding dresses just aren't his thing.
Personally, I think they had Nora crossed off the list after Episode four.
jenfen
January 14, 2005 - 06:59 PM
Seriously, Wendy MUST be a plant. Her designs have consistently been the worst out there, even though she "somehow" manages to evade elimination every time. Her wedding dress looked like something from JC Penney. I was so utterly disgusted that she wasn't even considered one of the worst two. She is a total travesty, not to mention a horrible and annoying presence, and her "designs" really lower the tone of this show.
Suetsumuhana
January 14, 2005 - 07:24 PM
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Is it just me, or did the clip of Austin and Jay's "fight" next week seem completely fake?
Yes. Yes, yes. It really makes me wonder who Bravo thinks they're fooling - any of the commercials where Jay says or does something outrageous, you can chalk it up as being a joke. Most of the actual 'drama' in the show is centered around other people.
He's my favorite person to watch on the show, personality wise, for this very reason. He's apparently seen too much reality TV, and he constantly parodies it. I think it's hilarious. ^^;
Wendy, on the other hand, has also seen too much reality tv, but is using it to manipulate other people constantly. n.n;
robinreetz
January 14, 2005 - 08:20 PM
I am such a fan of Project Runway. It is high time that Fashion gets the credit it deserves. Project Runway does such a beautiful job of displaying the artistry and hard work that the world of Fashion encompasses.
I am an aspiring Fashion Stylist/Journalist/Designer and I would love more than anything to work with Austin. If anyone has any information about Austin, please contact me at robin.reetz@gmail.com. Thank you so much!
jadorechanelno5
January 14, 2005 - 09:13 PM
I love Project Runway! I want to be a fashion designer and i adore everything i have seen! i really want alexandra, austin, or kevin to win. they have really great ideas. i can't stand wendy and kara saun seems a tad too egotistical. Jay just adds comic humor to the show. but i do have to admit his chrysler building dress was great.
thelover
January 14, 2005 - 11:49 PM
Hey, listen-
After her recent elimination, I must interject some truth about my sweet Vanessa Riley. For those of you that don't realize it.... this is fiction. That's all right; it's a show after all. But, recognize it. It even says so when the credits roll - the producers have input in who stays and goes.
Which brings me to my real point. Vanessa never could have won this "compitition". She's a Brit! And she's a very established designer. She's definitely not the next big American Designer!
So, well.....she's gonna have to go.
But when?......
Let's see, early..... late..... in the middle???? What will work best for our story?
She's really talented. TRUE. Actually, there is no doubt that she is talented enough to make it to the last three. [censored]. People will know the [censored] is up if we leave her in and show her talent and then yank her at the last moment!
Better get her off earlier than later to be safe.
Vanessa has to go. And close to the beginning (wedding dress would have been stellar. The rest of them, trust me, stellar too).
Our best opportunity…..
We can yank her when she's not actually designing! Then we can edit in her saying that she couldn't sew to save the ship! (Do you notice that she's the only one gone that doesn't have a design in the "Design Garment Graveyard" ???)
Also, the truth is that that this was no ballet.... but, there was a prima donna in the room. And if she don't like you..... let's say.... maybe because nobody from her country has liked anybody from your country since the 12th century - then your are in a wee bit of trouble. You may have to go..... just because of that... well, it certainly makes it easier.
Sorry, I'm really no conspiracy theorist.
What I do know is that I've read just about every post since Vanessa's elimination and you all love her too. That means so much because as far removed as anyone may be, your opinion is still heard. If you want to tell her yourself you can email her through her website www.vanessariley.com! I know that she will appreciate hearing directly from any of you.
I know Vanessa as well as anyone. She is truly the most amazing, inspiring, loving, and gifted person I've ever met. She truly sees the world through different eyes. I think that most people go through life adjusting their vision to the way the world works. Vanessa TRULY goes through life with her own vision and it is the constant. This is where her talent lies. She has the gift to realize that we all create our own reality. She is truly a creator - an artist, pure and lovable for possessing all those things that I admire so much. I love you forever my baby Vanessa.
paillette
January 15, 2005 - 08:30 AM
So what you're saying is, Vanessa was too talented to actually do something bad enough to be kicked off the show with any credibility.... so she had to be booted in a different context, when it wasn't her own work?
An interesting perspective... my hunch is, you're 100% right, but I guess we cannot know for sure.
I do think it was particularly sad to see her "take the fall," as it were, for a piece that she herself did not admire or believe in. The dress in the "graveyard" that corresponds to her elimination is, uniquely, one that she herself didn't design -- or even like!
Vanessa certainly had (has!) an amazing portfolio, and I loved that she combined a light-hearted, non-backstabbing nature with a very demanding and rigorous set of expectations for herself. I miss her.
paillette
January 15, 2005 - 08:41 AM
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Is it just me, or did the clip of Austin and Jay's "fight" next week seem completely fake?
Yes. Yes, yes. It really makes me wonder who Bravo thinks they're fooling
I finally saw that preview and it looks to me like they're just goofing around. If Jay seriously wanted to hurt Austin, that clip would look verrry different. I don't think it's meant to be taken seriously... though that doesn't mean there isn't some real, mutual annoyance or dislike underlying the "goofing around."
paillette
January 15, 2005 - 08:50 AM
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When I saw Austin picking his material... There was that green, but I thought there was also leopard print in there somewhere. I was anticipating the model to have the look of this forest nymph feline creature with a long narrow-cut clingy, silky skirt perhaps slit, perhaps flared a touch at the bottom, with a short almost truncated train.
Jessci, you've just described a beautiful dress! Sounds like an Henri Rousseau painting! Great image!
nycgal
January 15, 2005 - 09:44 AM
I agree with the description of Austin's dress. His design worked well with the model's vision and the description of the challenge that a wedding dress that could be a red mini or a white traditional. With all the second marriages, what a great idea to wear something that fits your personality. Why not be chic and have fun. Fashion can be too serious and the judges missed this design. They could not see outside the box. Sometimes when something is shocking to the eye, these kinds of reactions occur. When pointillism occured in the art world, critics called it flea painting and gave negative reviews, but look what happened, it became very vogue. Do the judges see these designs before the runway walk. The runway walk is so short. It is a tease for the viewer to focus on the design. Austin created fun poetic fashion....right on
baybaykid
January 15, 2005 - 10:01 AM
hey kara. you go girlllllllll you gotit that was a hot Design . keep up the good work. we all on the inter net got your back
barbiepink
January 15, 2005 - 12:16 PM
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I agree with the description of Austin's dress. His design worked well with the model's vision and the description of the challenge that a wedding dress that could be a red mini or a white traditional. With all the second marriages, what a great idea to wear something that fits your personality. Why not be chic and have fun. Fashion can be too serious and the judges missed this design. They could not see outside the box. Sometimes when something is shocking to the eye, these kinds of reactions occur. When pointillism occured in the art world, critics called it flea painting and gave negative reviews, but look what happened, it became very vogue. Do the judges see these designs before the runway walk. The runway walk is so short. It is a tease for the viewer to focus on the design. Austin created fun poetic fashion....right on
I agree with you 100%! Weddings should be fun! The bride should be able to wear a stunning dress that suits her personality, especially if this is her second wedding.
Nora's dress got blasted for being too traditional, but in the end, all of the designers except for Austin succombed to tradition and designed a long white wedding dress, with Jay's being the one most edgy.
I don't understand why Kara's dress won. She has used that same neckline with all of her dresses. They all seem to be an alteration of the one before. Still, I think she is definatly one of the top designers there.
Jay is the only one who consistantly surprizes me.
And Wendy should be the next out. Her design skills are terrible, and this is a contest for designers, not survivor. This should not be about making someone else look bad, it's about making your own designs shine.
barbiepink
January 15, 2005 - 12:40 PM
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Tim does great takes on this site. I like Tim a lot and I love when he visit's the designers midway through their design and questions their visions.
For me, Tim's the best part of the show for me . . . I love his "post-game" review . . . I learn from it and it validates my opinions of what I observe on the show. I design and weave "art" fabric that I turn into one-of-a-kind garments . . . and I would love to spend an afternoon with Tim to get his feedback, direction, etc. I'm sure it would be invaluable . . . in the meantime, I'll have to be happy grabbing every Tim tidbit I can get from the show.
Tim's takes are great! They tell more of what the judges are thinking.
birdaileen
January 15, 2005 - 12:44 PM
why are kevin's and robert's dresses not up for auction from this past week's episode???
JustTzujIt
January 15, 2005 - 08:11 PM
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I agree with the description of Austin's dress. His design worked well with the model's vision and the description of the challenge that a wedding dress that could be a red mini or a white traditional. With all the second marriages, what a great idea to wear something that fits your personality. Why not be chic and have fun. Fashion can be too serious and the judges missed this design. They could not see outside the box. Sometimes when something is shocking to the eye, these kinds of reactions occur. When pointillism occured in the art world, critics called it flea painting and gave negative reviews, but look what happened, it became very vogue. Do the judges see these designs before the runway walk. The runway walk is so short. It is a tease for the viewer to focus on the design. Austin created fun poetic fashion....right on
THANKYOU, for putting into words what I've been thinking since Wednesday!
licoricepirate
January 15, 2005 - 08:44 PM
NooOOoooOOOoo!!! austin and jay in a fight ... he must've been provoked .. oh nooo .. and now they're showing him doing inappropriate things. .. poor innocent austin ..
It was so admirable how he turned down the invite to drink n' do nonsense ... and instead scurried home do his busywork n' get his beauty sleep.
Crap. he's gonna make a fool of himself , right when he needs to step-it-up. ah well. it will be a joy to watch. ::NO!!!::
..Ok i'm done.
CONTinue >>>
goddessamelia
January 15, 2005 - 08:45 PM
I think they are joking and edititng is playing with us!
LibraAngel1
January 15, 2005 - 10:29 PM
*smh* Is the excuse that Kara has used the same neckline the only one that 'some' are choosing to come up with to try & knock her ability down?
Come on..Kara is named 'The Professional' because that is what she is. Maybe she has chosen to go with v-neck designs, because she felt as if those ensembles called for it. That is not to say that she can't make a scoop neck, boat neck, et cetera design.
If one doesn't like her as much because they feel that she is getting to much shine as oppose to their favorite contestant... just say so.
goddessamelia
January 15, 2005 - 10:33 PM
Kara is not my favorite designer but I do like her and her necklines tend to be the deep V. Alexandra's designs tend to be the same as well.
LibraAngel1
January 15, 2005 - 11:00 PM
I'm not denying that Kara has chosen to create v-neck designs but that does not mean that she isn't capable of anything else.
Also it should be pointed out that they are judging each contestant on the designs for each challenge. Sorta like with Wendy, she was on the edge of elimination with her first 2 designs but managed to pull through with her B.R. creation.
Point being for those who feel as if Kara has been too consistent with the 'necklines' from each design, realize that the judges are basing their opinions on each challenge not from their overall designs (which may be what the finale is about...).
goddessamelia
January 15, 2005 - 11:08 PM
Im sure she is capable of doing something else! All her designs are different except for the neckline. I like Kara and Im sure she will be in the final 3 and we will see different necklines from her.
LibraAngel1
January 15, 2005 - 11:17 PM
Lol. That's all I'm trying to say:) I hope I wasn't coming off as callow or anything...
I don't know, I just found it a little odd for 'some' to nitpick about a neckline, when her designs themselves are all different.
But, oh well. I respect everyones opinion. Even if I wonder where the actual basis is coming from.
goddessamelia
January 16, 2005 - 12:45 AM
nah, I think we had the same thought, but we just saying it differently, its cool.
razing
January 16, 2005 - 02:35 AM
I was at a dance club in NYC and I saw Nora, Kevin, and Sarah Hudson (the musician from episode 4) all hanging out. My friends and I talked to them, and they seemed like awesome people and good dancers.
By the way, Nora is MUCH hotter in person than she was on the show.
corprip
January 16, 2005 - 05:30 AM
Which club was it at? Was it recent? What were they doing? Are Nora and Kevin an item?
Vladi
January 16, 2005 - 10:25 AM
I wish I could say the same thing about Austin...but I can't...specially after the episode when Vanessa left and everybody saw the true colors of 'fabulous' Austin Scarlet. And this challenge - I can't believe they chose Nora over Austin! Having been ONE OF THE WORST FOR THE THIRD TIME, and made a HORRIFIC outfit (i wouldn't even call it a dress), he still makes it to the next step. I absolutely agree with one of the guys here who wrote that if that dress was made by anyone else, that person would be out. I can't believe my girl is out!!! With all the mood swings and immaturity I still believe that NORA IS ONE OF THE BEST DESIGNERS in the show, and has a great career ahead of her.
Also, even though I loved Alexandra's previous designs, I think this time she delivered the second worst dress after Austin, and Nora shouldn't even have been in the bottom two.
Vladi
January 16, 2005 - 10:52 AM
I would love to see Austin in a fight! Remember he once said that he was bigger and stronger than Robert. I think he made a fool out of himself right there.
Vladi
January 16, 2005 - 11:07 AM
WOW!!! Just read your post, and it seems like it was me who wrote that (specially about Alexandra and Austin)! Amazing!
Vladi
January 16, 2005 - 11:44 AM
Some time ago I asked in my post who would be the 'runway couple', and the post never caught on. Well...I always expected Robio to be interested in the prettiest girl in the show, and I would love if him and Alexandra get together...
...however...
I would also like to believe that Robio 'swings both ways' - that makes everything more interesting!
Vladi
January 16, 2005 - 12:16 PM
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I think Nora was a better choice since she was one of the worst two for two weeks straight.
Am I the only one who is sickened by how boring Alexandra is? Not to mention extremely limited. Her wedding dress was her Banana Republic dress fused with her envy dress! Ugh! Better to be outright weird like Austin than monotonous every bloody week!
First of all Nora was not one of the worst for two weeks straight. She was one of the best in the first episode, then she was in the bottom three for 'Envy' challenge, then safe for BR challenge, and than in the winning group for Rock-N-Roll outfit. Compare her to Austin - winner in the first challenge, safe for 'Envy', one of the worst for BR, THE WORST for Rock-N-Roll challenge. Well, who do you think deserved to stay?
And about Alex. I have to admit - I hated her wedding dress, however, I did not see anything in it from her BR or 'Envy' designs. She may not be as original as some of the designers, but she has a strong point - her dresses are wearable.
bowls4soup1985
January 16, 2005 - 02:34 PM
I've been hearing a lot of people calling Nora immature and callow. I'm not saying she's not, but may it be that she's just young? Out of all the competitors, she's the youngest at 21. Maybe she is just acting her age. Many twenty-one year olds I know are far more immature.
Of course, her age still plays against her, and is not a justification for her actions. For someone to get by in the fashion industry at her age, you aren't just required to be mature, you have to be extremely mature. So maybe immature isn't quite the right term. Maybe just young.
ThomsTeddyBear
January 16, 2005 - 03:17 PM
Wow, 89 posts! But I finally got through them reading, skimming, and skipping. Next time I'm away, I'm going to have a ghost poster fill in for me. Most have been pretty nice and a pleasure to read (hello newbies)! Other have been...well that's what skipping is for, lol
Daughter asked what was up between Jay and Austin in the previews for the next epi. Told her I don't think Jay would want to be eliminated for being in jail so I don't think their "fight" was real. Austin will have to pick up in the next epis though or else it will be bye bye and then there goes my eye candy! Austin, baby - that's twice now! You've got to be more careful (and study wedding and rock videos)! You're still top notch baby, you've still got my heart!...I just can't look at your dress, forgive me?
Senka
January 16, 2005 - 03:46 PM
Hum, I didn't know where to put that... I've already posted it in another board, but this one is busier. I wanted to talk about the auctions. That goes like crazy ! people are bidding and bidding. I hope you guys can wear the clothes you "win" - they're built in for models.
Anyway, the other "funny" thing is that many times, the same person bets upon itself again. And again. And Again, and again, again... So, like X bet $125.00 the first time. And somehow, only seeing X on the bidding history, the price is now at $185.00. Nobody challenged that person ! Well, obviously X likes to spend money - and the more the better. Interesting approach...
Also, I was wondering why not all the designs are on auction. For example, this week, Kevin's and Rob's wedding gowns are not on auction, while all the others are. What happened to these gowns ?
Senka
January 16, 2005 - 03:52 PM
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I always expected Robio to be interested in the prettiest girl in the show, and I would love if him and Alexandra get together...
Ha ha, you may be right... Apparently, there might be something like that.
birdaileen
January 16, 2005 - 04:53 PM
yeah i was wondering the same. maybe with the bidding, the bidder puts in an amount but it has to be recorded in multiples of 5 or 10 dollars. so if something is currently 100 dollars and you bid 140, it would likst you as bidding 110, 120, 130, and 140. i have no idea-- seems like the only explanation.
i also posted asking where the other wedding dresses were (roberts and kevins) which arent up for auction. is it up to the designer to put it up? also, roberts first outfit-- the tortilla and mop innovation one-- was never auctioned either...
goddessamelia
January 16, 2005 - 05:51 PM
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I would love to see Austin in a fight! Remember he once said that he was bigger and stronger than Robert. I think he made a fool out of himself right there.
ooooooh!!! I know!!!! I was sitting there going "Austin, love, Robert would kick your ass in a heartbeat!"
jescci
January 16, 2005 - 06:28 PM
Not for nothing, but I recall Austin being one of the best in the BR challenge, not one of the worst even tho they thought he strayed from the BR image. Anyway I think that particular dress is the loveliest in the comp this far. Obviously you can color me a Scarlet fan.
Sort of on that subject, was Jay's wedding dress one of the best in 105 or one of the worst? If they have 4 designs on stage representing best and worst is it necesarrily two and two?
Jay's designs I've noticed all have a clingy, tight-fitting gym sock or leg-warmer look. Not that that's a bad thing. He does seem to be the most versatile - without losing recognizability. This particular style surprises me a little coming from him in that his personal style (and body-type) is a little plump and frumpy.
goddessamelia
January 16, 2005 - 07:00 PM
He was one of the best. I think he made the wedding dress clingy cause that was what Morganza wanted. I think his was one of the best cause he didnt become a dress maker he took the best of Morganzas ideas and made his own dress and threw away her bad ideas like the see-thru fabric and the egg designs she wanted.
cherryberry
January 16, 2005 - 07:16 PM
Outsider, I completely agree w/you. I havent' been back to this site since the rock n roll episode because I was so disappointed with the show, and how Bravo edited/executed the episode--I expected more from Bravo.
Thank you for your point. I am sorry Nora left, she didn't deserve to be axed based on this wedding dress episode. I don't want to go into too much personal information revealed, but I know the truth behind the rock n roll episode. So Nora wasn't entirely to be blamed.
I'm still gonna watch PR, but just with a grain of salt. Austin's a bit of drama queen, Alexandra is cute but everything she made looked the same. Kara is a safe (therefore good?)designer with more experience and maturity while Wendy is just bugging me with her evil stare and phony persona (not to mention her mediocre design) Jay sort of grew on me, now I think, besides Nora, he's the most interesting one with refreshing attitude.
I'll be quiet now.
jescci
January 16, 2005 - 07:46 PM
Don't know what you're referring to with regard to Nora and the 'truth" about the rock 'n roll show - but it seemed as tho Kevin may have been [expletive deleted]-slapping her verbally. It seemed there may have been some subtle, under-handed cruelty coming from him which was not aired. Just a guess. Still not much of an excuse for someone to abandon their team, acuse others of theft without evidence and have selective memory of the whole event later.
Here's how I know Wendy is not a plant: her reaction upon being announced the winner of the BR challenge was simply too joyous and sincere. No one's that good an actor.
Can't wait for the next show. Swimsuits! (nuff said).
gagj2005
January 16, 2005 - 09:08 PM
I think the top three will be Alexandra, Jay and Austin. They all have great style and work very hard on their challenges. You can see the intensity in their eyes as they create their next design. The ultimate winner I think will be Jay. He is a great designer as well as having a great personality. I think all of this ties into the fashion world of today. Not only do you have to have the talent but also the drive, ambition, and personality to pull it off and I think Jay has it all.
Vladi
January 16, 2005 - 09:21 PM
That is actually what I meant (maybe I should have worded it better). I am giving her the credit of being a 21-year old, and the youngest contestant. And I DO think that she ROCKS (as a disigner)!
Vladi
January 16, 2005 - 09:26 PM
On the last episode she said that they were 'just...like...friends', but you never know what actually goes on when they are off camera. I do think they would make a cute 'runway couple'.
Vladi
January 16, 2005 - 09:30 PM
My friends and I said the same thing He is just SO-O-OOOO silly!
Istya
January 17, 2005 - 07:45 AM
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Nora was not one of the worst for two weeks straight. She was one of the best in the first episode, then she was in the bottom three for 'Envy' challenge, then safe for BR challenge, and than in the winning group for Rock-N-Roll outfit. Compare her to Austin - winner in the first challenge, safe for 'Envy', one of the worst for BR, THE WORST for Rock-N-Roll challenge. Well, who do you think deserved to stay?
And about Alex. I have to admit - I hated her wedding dress, however, I did not see anything in it from her BR or 'Envy' designs. She may not be as original as some of the designers, but she has a strong point - her dresses are wearable.
I guess her designs are wearable...but it's hard for me to really see it as one of her strongpoints since I personally wouldn't wear them.
As for who deserved to go...I still think it was Nora. Her team may have been the best in episode 4, but after her "episode," it was obvious that if Vanessa hadn't screwed herself, Nora would have gone home. I think that in episode 4, even though they said anyone could be eliminated, they already planned not to eliminate any of the group leaders. Even though Austin's dress was picked as the worst, it was only out of three; he still beat six other designers to be picked by Sarah (I'm not saying I agree with that logic, but I think it's what the producers/judges were going on). I've also noticed another pattern. Austin, Kara, Wendy, and Kevin have all won a challenge. None of them have been kicked off. So even if one of them is having an off week (Wendy has had many of them and she's still on), the judges are more likely to let them stay on because they showed extreme promise at some poing. Just an observation.
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I would love to see Austin in a fight! Remember he once said that he was bigger and stronger than Robert. I think he made a fool out of himself right there.
I'm pretty darn sure that was sarcasm.
paillette
January 17, 2005 - 08:32 AM
"I think that in episode 4, even though they said anyone could be eliminated, they already planned not to eliminate any of the group leaders. Even though Austin's dress was picked as the worst, it was only out of three; he still beat six other designers to be picked by Sarah."
Yes, I think this was the logic, too. It makes some sense, but I've had a lingering bad feeling about it. I felt (and still feel) that, if only one of the three head designers could win, then only one of those three should have been able to lose, too. As it was, it seemed like those three were able to reap all the benefits of their position, while taking none of the responsibility for their own designs. The designer of the dress that won gained a personal win, too, while the designer of the dress that lost, lost nothing. Rather, a subordinate member of that team was eliminated.
Again, I understand the logic about those three being considered tops, since their designs were chosen by Sarah over the others in the first place. But it still left a bad taste in my mouth.
ThomsTeddyBear
January 17, 2005 - 08:36 AM
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Not for nothing, but I recall Austin being one of the best in the BR challenge, not one of the worst even tho they thought he strayed from the BR image. Anyway I think that particular dress is the loveliest in the comp this far. Obviously you can color me a Scarlet fan.
Sort of on that subject, was Jay's wedding dress one of the best in 105 or one of the worst? If they have 4 designs on stage representing best and worst is it necesarrily two and two?
Nope, there is no set pattern though people try to find one. The only way you know who was bottom is if they keep you on stage at the end and explain to you why you are in the bottom set. For some reason some people like to continuously overlook this fact and keep trying to establish patterns that aren't there.
(I'm not yelling at you in the bolded statement, I just bolded it because that's the part that always gets ignored in exploring the facts)
Jay is becoming more docile with each episode. Though his mouth is wild, I really don't want him to lose who he is any more than I would want Austin to lose who he is.
paillette
January 17, 2005 - 09:00 AM
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The only way you know who was bottom is if they keep you on stage at the end and explain to you why you are in the bottom set. For some reason some people like to continuously overlook this fact and keep trying to establish patterns that aren't there.
For the record, there is a difference of opinion on this issue. ThomsTeddyBear and I discussed the issue of how to discern who is in the best and worst group at the end of each episode some time ago, and my take on this differs somewhat from hers. I don't want to resurrect the whole discussion again, but I do want to note that there is not a consensus about this.