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What do you think of their decisions? Agree? Disagree? Agree to disagree?
Episode 1: Austin winner - makes sense.
Daniel looser... I'm not so sure...
Oh, OK, the challenge was on innovation.
But:
Starr "stuff" was ridiculous, I was doing that in 3rd grade for Carnaval. That was many, many, many years ago, and I do not pretend to design clothes.
Then there was the Wendy "non-confection". Come on ! they were supposed to get a glamourous gown for a night in town, not a itzy-bitzy bikini for frolicking on the beach in Rio.
But still, the Starr Stuff was total no-idea-what-I'm-doing kind of stuff.
Daniel looser... I'm not so sure...
Oh, OK, the challenge was on innovation.
But:
Starr "stuff" was ridiculous, I was doing that in 3rd grade for Carnaval. That was many, many, many years ago, and I do not pretend to design clothes.
Then there was the Wendy "non-confection". Come on ! they were supposed to get a glamourous gown for a night in town, not a itzy-bitzy bikini for frolicking on the beach in Rio.
But still, the Starr Stuff was total no-idea-what-I'm-doing kind of stuff.
I was completely floored. Of the two that they chose to leave, they put a whiny person who created something for "My first Barbie" over someone who designed a clean looking ,definitely wearable - even waterproof! - design. I thought the innovation was on use of materials not design itself
The elimination bothered me also, and in agreement with beautiful. I loved the shower curtain design by ?? , also served as the wedding dress finale, brilliant, he made me laugh, he kept everything so simple and chic? Also, the pantyhose design by Alexandra. I also like seeing Patricia Fields as judge.
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I think the judges had a very tough decision. I was not totally thrilled with Wendy's, Starr's or Daniel's creations. But, as an aspiring designer, "Boring!" has become a curse-word to me so I understand their decision.
Hopefully Starr will find a healthy dose of self-confidence because otherwise I think she will be the next to go. Not that her design was any worse than Wendy's, but her whole attitude screams "I don't belong here".
Austin's corn-husk dress was beautiful even after the "drying" issue and I really liked Alexandra's dress also. I know she got some derision because she used socks and pantyhose so it seemed less challenging, but shower curtains aren't much different from some of the pleather & vinyl I've worked with and the large amount of material would have been a dream compared to the skinny lengths of nylon.
Hopefully Starr will find a healthy dose of self-confidence because otherwise I think she will be the next to go. Not that her design was any worse than Wendy's, but her whole attitude screams "I don't belong here".
Austin's corn-husk dress was beautiful even after the "drying" issue and I really liked Alexandra's dress also. I know she got some derision because she used socks and pantyhose so it seemed less challenging, but shower curtains aren't much different from some of the pleather & vinyl I've worked with and the large amount of material would have been a dream compared to the skinny lengths of nylon.
There was nothing innovative about using shower curtains, trashbags and pantyhose...but i guess you cant boot but one off...
and I agree that there were worse contenders than Daniel who should have been marked "Loser" - although his smugness cost him - i didnt care for him but i believe his wasn't the worst.
and I agree that there were worse contenders than Daniel who should have been marked "Loser" - although his smugness cost him - i didnt care for him but i believe his wasn't the worst.
I liked Nora as the winner for the grocery challenge, not Austin, but agreed with the judges that Daniel was the loser. His outfit gave me hives.
My boyfriend LOVES the Wendy candy bikini, so I place her at position #2.
A bikini is definitely an acceptable "evening outfit" in Hawaii, Fiji & Bali. If she can make it and you can wear it, don’t knock it –tee-hee-
My boyfriend LOVES the Wendy candy bikini, so I place her at position #2.
A bikini is definitely an acceptable "evening outfit" in Hawaii, Fiji & Bali. If she can make it and you can wear it, don’t knock it –tee-hee-
The wedding dress idea was cute, but by use of a shower curtain...not really that original. The shower curtain kind of reminded me of the trash bag idea, "it's already been done!" Let it go.
I think that Alexandra's fashion sense will appeal to many because she is young, and her style is cute & sexy; however pantyhose & socks!! Come on, that is fabric. Nothing innovative about that creation. I would like to see more of her designs in later shows though.
I think that Alexandra's fashion sense will appeal to many because she is young, and her style is cute & sexy; however pantyhose & socks!! Come on, that is fabric. Nothing innovative about that creation. I would like to see more of her designs in later shows though.
Nora's design was original & I liked her as well, but I agree with the judges in choosing Austin as the winner. As far as Wendy's candy bikini...very cute but definitely not a glamorous "evening outfit." I live in Hawaii, have traveled to Fiji on several different occasions, and I have yet to see any type of bikini worn as an evening outfit. However, I'm sure you'd find many women on the beach in that. It was very cute. I'd like to see what else she can produce in future episodes.
Are the judges the same episode to episode?
Im tired of that snooty [expletive deleted] from elle trying to make everyone's designs conform to her archaic definition of what "beautiful" is - fashion is art, and art does not have to adhere to anyone's standard. if star wants to make a dress with cancer as a theme, then great - that too can be beautiful. if mario wants to use murder as his inspiration, so be it. I hated how she so condescendingly turned to him to ask just exactly how he came about with his idea. I love fashion that pushes envelopes. look at rei kawakubo - brilliant, and commes de garcons has thusly become a major powerhouse in fashion. elle magazine needs to stick to their banal spreads and boring articles. and what the hell was the ebay style person doing there?!
Oh I know! Ebay?? Give me a break. As far as Nina goes, I haven't decided if I like her or not (on the show). I liked what she had to say in the first episode, but the second episode it was like she was on a power trip.
I like Nina. Everybody has their own opinion about clothes. And even though I don't agree with Nina, I respected her comments. Even though I LOVED what Nora did.
I think if Micheal Kors and Patricia Field were there again Nora probably would have been in the top 3.
So this adds another interesting dynamic to the show, certain judges might have an affinity to certain designer's style. This couldl affect the judging.
I think if Micheal Kors and Patricia Field were there again Nora probably would have been in the top 3.
So this adds another interesting dynamic to the show, certain judges might have an affinity to certain designer's style. This couldl affect the judging.
Well, if the judges really wanted innovation, they have let them go to any store they wanted EXCEPT fabric, craft, yarn, or hobby shops. Also, no clothing stores. Imagine if they could have gone to the hardware store or Radio Shack too. The whole grocery store was very limiting.
But the grocery store was LIMITING to whom.
I thought Austin, Nora, Kara, Alexandra made amazing designs just being in the grocery store.
I thought Austin, Nora, Kara, Alexandra made amazing designs just being in the grocery store.
I totally agree with bjade. Boring is to be avoided at all costs! I would rather design or wear something hideous, even frightening like a clown costume, than be boring. Starr has potential because she is so fragile emotionally. It gives her a childlike quality and, therefore, an innocent, fresh way of looking at things. I haven't counted her out yet. Here's a dirty little confession - I wore an outfit similar to the one she did for the first show. It was back in the eighties, and we were all tacky anyway. Big hair, too much makeup, and double decker shoulder pads. Wendy's candy bikini combo had a certain charm. I find the idea of covering someone's body in candy rather...appealing.
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Im tired of that snooty [expletive deleted] from elle trying to make everyone's designs conform to her archaic definition of what "beautiful" is - fashion is art, and art does not have to adhere to anyone's standard. if star wants to make a dress with cancer as a theme, then great - that too can be beautiful. if mario wants to use murder as his inspiration, so be it. I hated how she so condescendingly turned to him to ask just exactly how he came about with his idea. I love fashion that pushes envelopes. look at rei kawakubo - brilliant, and commes de garcons has thusly become a major powerhouse in fashion. elle magazine needs to stick to their banal spreads and boring articles. and what the hell was the ebay style person doing there?!
i completely agree. "beauty" and "innovative" are two of the most powerful but overused words used for any creative endeavour. (i'm an architect so i can speak from experience.) the words sound hollow coming from someone from such a commercial magazine. (i'd like to see anna wintour rip wendy to shreds. THAT would be entertaining.) let's face it. the majority of people are lemmings. it takes real insight to get to the heart a creative expression/design (building, clothes, artwork, etc.)and be able to critique it on it's own merits. that's what separates a design critic from a style critic. style is boring and obvious. design has depth and creativity. i doubt anyone would accuse elle magazine of showcasing depth or creativity.
Christopher_d, you are so sassy! Yes, fashion is art. And art is very individual. I actually thought the tumor idea was interesting. And Elle chick is very inconsistent in her philosophies of beauty. She will chastise one person for the same thing she praised someone else for. Don't be too hard on the eBay person. I've met lots of interesting people through eBay. eBay is an education in and of itself.
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if star wants to make a dress with cancer as a theme, then great - that too can be beautiful. if mario wants to use murder as his inspiration, so be it. I hated how she so condescendingly turned to him to ask just exactly how he came about with his idea.
I think the "snooty [expletive deleted] from elle" (pretty funny line, by the way) is the bomb!! I love her snooty attitude and I think the designers should appreciate it as well. Those of us with the money are a lot snootier really, we either spend it on the outfit or we don't!!
I agree with you about the 'art' however the assignment was clear .. ENVY. If the artist cannot explain or convey their personal definition or feeling of ENVY, they should be judged accordingly.
I loved Robert's "penis envy" and I thought that his model, Melissa, conveyed 'penis envy' perfectly and possibly 'vagina envy' as well! To me she was cute in the first episode, and hot in the second, can't wait to see the third!
I thought Kara was right on! Especially in this day and age, Envy = Greed = War. Perfect. Simply perfect.
First of all, I really do like the judges, Nina in particular. I appreciate their constructive, almost always informative criticism. I'm no fashion person-- I'm an engineer who discovered this show by random chance-- so their explanations of why something works (or doesn't) is an interesting aspect of the show for me. Nina is the best in this regard; her critiques are reasoned and intelligent. She can be quite stern, it seems, but she is certainly not malicious. When she says that something is of an "unacceptable quality" she's not kidding.
My greatest disappointment with the judges so far is that they are manipulating the "3 best 3 worst" list to artifically increase tension. From episode two, the best worst group was, Robert, Starr, Wendy, Nora, Mario and Kara. They whittled away the top, and we were left with Wendy, Mario, and Nora as our low scorers.
So, if every thing is on the level, then, that means that Starr made the top three with her tumor dress?
The tumor dress??
Again, I am not a fashion person, but I just don't believe for even a moment that Starr finished in the top three. Or even that the judges thought that. Of course they didn't. These are knowledgable, insightful, intuitive people. They would no sooner put on that tumor dress than they would dive into a swimming pool filled with nails.
And I sympathize with them. The thing is, if you have a bottom three of Starr, Wendy, and Mario-- it's just not as exciting. Who cares who loses? It's not like any of them were going to win the contest anyway. But throw in a ringer, like Nora, or (maybe next week) Austen and we're all sitting on the edge of our seats.
I wish the judges wouldn't do this. It sullies the show. Have some respect for your viewers, fellas! And for the creations the designed have labored so hard to create.
One of the most eye-opening aspects of this show (for me) was that fashion can be more than just they empty-headed draping of celebrities on a red carpet. It can actually be kind of pure art-- an act of creation that's both individualistic and collaberative. Who knew?
My greatest disappointment with the judges so far is that they are manipulating the "3 best 3 worst" list to artifically increase tension. From episode two, the best worst group was, Robert, Starr, Wendy, Nora, Mario and Kara. They whittled away the top, and we were left with Wendy, Mario, and Nora as our low scorers.
So, if every thing is on the level, then, that means that Starr made the top three with her tumor dress?
The tumor dress??
Again, I am not a fashion person, but I just don't believe for even a moment that Starr finished in the top three. Or even that the judges thought that. Of course they didn't. These are knowledgable, insightful, intuitive people. They would no sooner put on that tumor dress than they would dive into a swimming pool filled with nails.
And I sympathize with them. The thing is, if you have a bottom three of Starr, Wendy, and Mario-- it's just not as exciting. Who cares who loses? It's not like any of them were going to win the contest anyway. But throw in a ringer, like Nora, or (maybe next week) Austen and we're all sitting on the edge of our seats.
I wish the judges wouldn't do this. It sullies the show. Have some respect for your viewers, fellas! And for the creations the designed have labored so hard to create.
One of the most eye-opening aspects of this show (for me) was that fashion can be more than just they empty-headed draping of celebrities on a red carpet. It can actually be kind of pure art-- an act of creation that's both individualistic and collaberative. Who knew?
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Again, I am not a fashion person, but I just don't believe for even a moment that Starr finished in the top three. Or even that the judges thought that. Of course they didn't. These are knowledgable, insightful, intuitive people. They would no sooner put on that tumor dress than they would dive into a swimming pool filled with nails. "
I thought the dress would have been nice without the "tumor". I liked the draping of the green over red on the bottom of the dress in particular. (On a side note, I visited Star's website and can't quite get over her "apron" dress, she wore it in this episode. I'm thinking that she can't be serious!!)
Quote: "One of the most eye-opening aspects of this show (for me) was that fashion can be more than just they empty-headed draping of celebrities on a red carpet. It can actually be kind of pure art-- an act of creation that's both individualistic and collaberative. Who knew? "
Certainly not me. I have no fashion background either and thought that people simply drew pictures that someone else sewed. The process behind our clothing is much more than that and I appreciate learning about it this way!!
You should see TVLand's "TVGuide & TVLand Presents 100 Most Memorable TV Moments" airing these days. One of those 100 moments is Carol Burnett's "Gone With The Wind" skit, where she wore a ballgown made of drapery materials.
Bob Mackie designed the dress for Carol he spoke of how he came up with the design and why. The "drapery dress" episode got one of the longest laughs in television history!
"I just saw it in the window" she says of her gown made of draperies with the rod left in!!
Hysterical!!
Again, I am not a fashion person, but I just don't believe for even a moment that Starr finished in the top three. Or even that the judges thought that. Of course they didn't. These are knowledgable, insightful, intuitive people. They would no sooner put on that tumor dress than they would dive into a swimming pool filled with nails. "
I thought the dress would have been nice without the "tumor". I liked the draping of the green over red on the bottom of the dress in particular. (On a side note, I visited Star's website and can't quite get over her "apron" dress, she wore it in this episode. I'm thinking that she can't be serious!!)
Quote: "One of the most eye-opening aspects of this show (for me) was that fashion can be more than just they empty-headed draping of celebrities on a red carpet. It can actually be kind of pure art-- an act of creation that's both individualistic and collaberative. Who knew? "
Certainly not me. I have no fashion background either and thought that people simply drew pictures that someone else sewed. The process behind our clothing is much more than that and I appreciate learning about it this way!!
You should see TVLand's "TVGuide & TVLand Presents 100 Most Memorable TV Moments" airing these days. One of those 100 moments is Carol Burnett's "Gone With The Wind" skit, where she wore a ballgown made of drapery materials.
Bob Mackie designed the dress for Carol he spoke of how he came up with the design and why. The "drapery dress" episode got one of the longest laughs in television history!
"I just saw it in the window" she says of her gown made of draperies with the rod left in!!
Hysterical!!
....the Elle editor and the fashion designers all have the background to comment and judge...I don't agree with having the ebay person or even the boutique owner as judges....not the boutique owner since anyone can open a boutique and carry whatever their personal taste dictates....the ebay person I knew nothing of her background....fashion designers such as Ms. Fields knows what it takes to make it as a name brand fashion designer....the Elle editor has the power to make an unknown fashion designer noteworthy and valid in the fashion community....what do all of you think?
Hi, Riof! I am disappointed with the Elle editor. She kept saying Wendy's dress just looked unfinished. In what way? She never said. I thought Wendy did a very good job of creating the goddess of envy, and she's right in her assertion that envy always comes back to bite you in the ass. Very witty and creative...I also think Wendy took the critique of her outfit from the previous week and really tried to give the judges what they wanted. Of all the contestants, I think she tried the hardest to please the judges. Whether that's good or bad is another matter altogether. And I think Elle chick is already biased. She can't be objective. She didn't like Wendy's first outfit, so she decided to look for reasons to dislike the second dress without looking at the dress for its own merits. I don't like that quality in a judge.
Starr is still struggling, but her second attempt was much improved over her first attempt. I thought the dress was okay; she just didn't know how to promote it. If she had described envy as something organic that grows inside of all of us because we're human and called the tumors buds about to become full-blown envy, would her dress have been perceived better? Probably. She just used the wrong words, not necessarily the wrong design components.
How should judges be selected? I think ANYONE who has a strong knowledge of the fashion industry and a passion for the art of fashion could be a good judge. I think Mr. Gunn has a lot more to say about who wins than any of the judges at the runway anyhow.
Starr is still struggling, but her second attempt was much improved over her first attempt. I thought the dress was okay; she just didn't know how to promote it. If she had described envy as something organic that grows inside of all of us because we're human and called the tumors buds about to become full-blown envy, would her dress have been perceived better? Probably. She just used the wrong words, not necessarily the wrong design components.
How should judges be selected? I think ANYONE who has a strong knowledge of the fashion industry and a passion for the art of fashion could be a good judge. I think Mr. Gunn has a lot more to say about who wins than any of the judges at the runway anyhow.
....the judge from Elle magazine is ok...maybe it would make some happier if there was also a judge from a magazine like "The Face" or "ID" to perhaps balance the opinions...what do you think?
well elle magazine is one of the sponsors for project runway so you cant have a competing magazine there. Elle has the model prize were the model gets a photo spread if thier designer wins.
This judges disgust me more and more specially the lady with the brown hair from elle ...she is just a fashion critic or whatever... you can honestly tell she is giving her judgement from what she believes looks good as in, her view instead of being open minded... I do not like her at all, she is a horrible judge. And for wendy to win this week???? omg'ness, come on... horrible decision, she is bad
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It seems the judges will change up a bit but there are main judges like Kors, Fields, and the editor at Elle....fashion is so subjective so don't take a lot of the comments as more than opinion....what do you think?
I am very dissapointed with the judges, they look like they are not having a good time, all of them enjoy saying bad things about the designes, they are not positive, especially Heidy( she is not a judge) and the Elle Magazine editor. Please respect others ideas and work. In the third episode, the Elle Magazine editor commented about Justin designe: Real women dont wear that dress. So now I am asking: Is the succesfull Sarah Jessica Parker from Sex and the city and unreal person? I dont think so. She is very real and we have seen her dressed with something very similar (In the first episode one of the judges was from Sex and the City).I think she shouldent generalized her criteria of whats wearable, beacause Justin dress is.
there's a few consistant ones (heidi, elle mag lady) and then guest designers...i am interested to see betsey johnson- and austin crying?! uh oh!
Micheal Kors and Patricia Field are the best judges, honest, fair and most important, they know what they are talking about, smart.
Nina Pretends she knows something, she knows nothing, she is like a hollow tree.
Nina Pretends she knows something, she knows nothing, she is like a hollow tree.
Well she is the fashion director for Elle. Fashion directors have a lot more power in the industry than I thought they had. I realized that after watching Isaac Mizrahi's "Unzipped" years ago. I didn't realize they preview collections beforehand and guide the designers in a "look". This is how capes, broaches or a 40s influence *just happens* to designer collections in the same season. They are being guided by these Fashion Directors.
Nina does a good job as they need a simon cowell type on the show. Obviously it was taped in the summer by the clothes they're wearing -that means the editors at Mirimax took whatever soundbites they wanted. Think Nina's looks say it all, and the designers are more concerned with Nina's thoughts - and the other judges even defer to Nina - so we have no idea what was left on the floor in the editing room. Think Kara is very talented and could be one of the finalists - she's calm and poised.
does anyone else hate this woman? she just seems like such a fashion snob. yes, i understand she is the editor of elle. but does she have to be such a [expletive deleted]?? i just watched the third episode again and while they are talking about austin's party dress (which i thought was really pretty) she is just rudely shaking her head and making snotty faces. is this necessary?? i think there is definitely a difference between giving constructive criticism and just being plain rude. she just comes across as very elitist and superior. i think heidi and michael are much more open minded. they are able to see the positive and negative. this woman is just always frowning and negative. and the only time she seems to be even remotely positive is when she is expressing surprise that (GASP!) she thinks someone is actually displaying talent. i don't know, i'm probably rambling, but she really bothers me. i kind of wish someone would just put her in her place and tell her to stop being such a beotch.
There is no doubt that Garcia is attempting to be Cowell-esque here. Personally, I find her to be snooty and rarely, if ever, will she ever make it look like she is actually enjoying something. As for her remark about Austin's "frou frou" as she so eloquently called it, I think a girl would look very pretty in that dress, and it is indeed wearable.
Field was a reasonable judge, for I found her to be the most down-to-earth of the judges so far. Kors, like Field, is honest and forthright.
Field was a reasonable judge, for I found her to be the most down-to-earth of the judges so far. Kors, like Field, is honest and forthright.
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does anyone else hate this woman? she just seems like such a fashion snob. yes, i understand she is the editor of elle. but does she have to be such a [expletive deleted]?? i just watched the third episode again and while they are talking about austin's party dress (which i thought was really pretty) she is just rudely shaking her head and making snotty faces. is this necessary?? i think there is definitely a difference between giving constructive criticism and just being plain rude. she just comes across as very elitist and superior. i think heidi and michael are much more open minded. they are able to see the positive and negative. this woman is just always frowning and negative. and the only time she seems to be even remotely positive is when she is expressing surprise that (GASP!) she thinks someone is actually displaying talent. i don't know, i'm probably rambling, but she really bothers me. i kind of wish someone would just put her in her place and tell her to stop being such a beotch.
THANK YOU! Omg, I can't STAND that woman! Rude is right! I just...just...OOOOO!
Nina, I am a real woman and I would wear Austins dress!
I agree that the Elle nazi is pretty rude. BUT isn't the real world of fashion like that? Is she perhaps preparing the contestants for what lies ahead? She was just plain wrong about Austin's dress. If BR were to add it to their line, it would fly off the shelves!
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I agree that the Elle nazi is pretty rude. BUT isn't the real world of fashion like that? Is she perhaps preparing the contestants for what lies ahead? She was just plain wrong about Austin's dress. If BR were to add it to their line, it would fly off the shelves!
i don't think she is consciously trying to prepare the contestants. i think she is just really a snobby [expletive deleted]. she probably thinks that since she is the editor of elle then she is the be-all, end-all of the world of fashion and therefore her opinions are gospel. however, her opinions still really ARE her opinions and just because she is the editor of elle does not make her any more superior than anyone else. there is a whole fashion department of the magazine that are probably a lot more fashion savvy than she is.
kjanet said of the Elle judge: "her opinions still really ARE her opinions"
Of course, ALL the judges are presenting their own opinions: I don't think any of them are suggesting otherwise. What would you have them do? Channel the voice of God? Look for the lowest common denominator? The act of judging is, by its very nature, the act of offering an opinion.
Though I may not always agree with the judges myself, I would like to suggest that their opinions deserve some consideration, rather than a "knee-jerk" response. These are people who make their living in the fashion industry. They have spent years learning how to professionally assess questions of cut, design, fit, construction, silhouette, color, pattern, fabric, contrast, and so forth. They have a much better and closer view of these garments than the viewers of the show (incidentally, this is something I wish Bravo would change: we need a closer look at the designers' creations). In other words, their opinions are informed opinions, and I think that's worth something.
Intense, sometimes rude criticism is endemic to any highly competitive and creative profession. Ever read fashion reviews in a major national newspaper? How about movie reviews, art reviews, or even restaurant reviews? The Elle judge is doing her job, which is to scrutinize and, yes, to critique, NOT to make everyone "feel good about themselves."
Of course, ALL the judges are presenting their own opinions: I don't think any of them are suggesting otherwise. What would you have them do? Channel the voice of God? Look for the lowest common denominator? The act of judging is, by its very nature, the act of offering an opinion.
Though I may not always agree with the judges myself, I would like to suggest that their opinions deserve some consideration, rather than a "knee-jerk" response. These are people who make their living in the fashion industry. They have spent years learning how to professionally assess questions of cut, design, fit, construction, silhouette, color, pattern, fabric, contrast, and so forth. They have a much better and closer view of these garments than the viewers of the show (incidentally, this is something I wish Bravo would change: we need a closer look at the designers' creations). In other words, their opinions are informed opinions, and I think that's worth something.
Intense, sometimes rude criticism is endemic to any highly competitive and creative profession. Ever read fashion reviews in a major national newspaper? How about movie reviews, art reviews, or even restaurant reviews? The Elle judge is doing her job, which is to scrutinize and, yes, to critique, NOT to make everyone "feel good about themselves."
Did anyone here go through the interview process, I did.
I did get the feeling they were not looking for "Talent" as much as they were looking for "Personality".
I didn't make it past Round 1. Tim and some blond bimbette (who never identified what she does and gives her the right to judge if someone is good enough to be apart of this) looked at my portfolio and said I was talented (which I wasn't sure if they were sincere or if they felt they had to say it to everyone they rejected so not to hurt their feelings since it seemed very well rehearsed)but said my porfolio was too specific to "Evening gowns" & "Bridal", no where in their advertisements did they say they were only looking for "Sportwear" designers. Also, when I told them that I was currently in "Sportwear" but trying to find a job in "Evening" or "bridal" for years. If you work in the apparel industry, you know that this business typecasts you, if you designed raincoats at your last job, then you are designing raincoats at your current job and your resume' won't get a second glance by anyone unless their company is lookig for a raincoat designer.
Tim and the gal said, "oh just send your resume to big name companies who are know for their "Evening and Bridal" collections."
Well, gee! I have been doing that for years and no luck even getting an interview or chance for someone to look at my portfolio. Someone like Tim knows how this business works and not only is it hard to swtch "Catagories" but someone like Vera Wang will not even look at you unless you come from a major design label already, The advice he gave me was useless and I felt like he should have either said..
A) "You don't have any talent for "Evening & Bridal" and stay designing "Sportwear"
OR
Offered better advice on trying to get people at major "Evening & Bridal" houses to look at my portfolio.
Instead, Tim offered me no hope while acting like he was doing me a HUGE favor for his time (all 45 seconds of it) while the Bimbette just sat there and went "uh-huh" to everything he said like a bad back-up singer.
And if anyone reading this did go through the process, was the first questions you were asked was "How old are you" and "How many years have you been in th business"? I felt they wanted YOUNG people (yes I know Wendy isn't a 19 year old, but why is it so much has been made about her age and it seems like everyone else is under 25).
Would love feedback!
I did get the feeling they were not looking for "Talent" as much as they were looking for "Personality".
I didn't make it past Round 1. Tim and some blond bimbette (who never identified what she does and gives her the right to judge if someone is good enough to be apart of this) looked at my portfolio and said I was talented (which I wasn't sure if they were sincere or if they felt they had to say it to everyone they rejected so not to hurt their feelings since it seemed very well rehearsed)but said my porfolio was too specific to "Evening gowns" & "Bridal", no where in their advertisements did they say they were only looking for "Sportwear" designers. Also, when I told them that I was currently in "Sportwear" but trying to find a job in "Evening" or "bridal" for years. If you work in the apparel industry, you know that this business typecasts you, if you designed raincoats at your last job, then you are designing raincoats at your current job and your resume' won't get a second glance by anyone unless their company is lookig for a raincoat designer.
Tim and the gal said, "oh just send your resume to big name companies who are know for their "Evening and Bridal" collections."
Well, gee! I have been doing that for years and no luck even getting an interview or chance for someone to look at my portfolio. Someone like Tim knows how this business works and not only is it hard to swtch "Catagories" but someone like Vera Wang will not even look at you unless you come from a major design label already, The advice he gave me was useless and I felt like he should have either said..
A) "You don't have any talent for "Evening & Bridal" and stay designing "Sportwear"
OR
Offered better advice on trying to get people at major "Evening & Bridal" houses to look at my portfolio.Instead, Tim offered me no hope while acting like he was doing me a HUGE favor for his time (all 45 seconds of it) while the Bimbette just sat there and went "uh-huh" to everything he said like a bad back-up singer.
And if anyone reading this did go through the process, was the first questions you were asked was "How old are you" and "How many years have you been in th business"? I felt they wanted YOUNG people (yes I know Wendy isn't a 19 year old, but why is it so much has been made about her age and it seems like everyone else is under 25).
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I so agree. Her comments about Austin's dress were unwarranted. If you look what she is wearing in the third episode, some tragic ensemble from the ‘70’s, you can envision HER not wearing the dress. But not understanding if other women would want to wear it is simply downright myopic on her part. Finally, if you look on the auction site, Austin’s dress, Episode 3, has the highest bid. Now what do you have to say for yourself Ms. Garcia?
Kudos to Austin also for trying to meld his ascetic with that of Banana Republic’s. The Banana lady said it did not adhere to her brief, but who cares; it is simply a beautiful dress. BTW, whatever happened to the Safari Banana – I liked it so much more back then.
Regarding the eBay lady in Epsiode 2 – she is just nasty. Her big claim to fame is being a stylist for eBay? Why do they need a stylist in the first place? To differentiate between a Hello Kitty sweatshirt for $9.95 vs. a Big Dog sweatshirt for $11.95? I am sure I am ignorant on the matter, but please. Being so caustic is so passé – and so is she.
Kudos to Austin also for trying to meld his ascetic with that of Banana Republic’s. The Banana lady said it did not adhere to her brief, but who cares; it is simply a beautiful dress. BTW, whatever happened to the Safari Banana – I liked it so much more back then.
Regarding the eBay lady in Epsiode 2 – she is just nasty. Her big claim to fame is being a stylist for eBay? Why do they need a stylist in the first place? To differentiate between a Hello Kitty sweatshirt for $9.95 vs. a Big Dog sweatshirt for $11.95? I am sure I am ignorant on the matter, but please. Being so caustic is so passé – and so is she.
I'm sorry but there is something wrong with the judges. Please, in the 3rd episode, Austin's dress was too "colorful"? OMG! It was seductive, it was conservative, it was simply gorgeous! And, most of us agree with that because that dress's price here was way higher than any others in the auction on this website. I don't know, maybe he is too good for this but it was NOT fair when Nina Garcia (whatever her name is) critize his dress like that. That's just wrong.
I thought it odd that they criticized anyone's fabric choice. Even though Rob's color combination was ugly, telling him the leapord print wasn't something they liked was wrong. Not only was there a Banana Republic commercial on every interval that showed a woman wearing a leapord print top with a yellow skirt, but Banana Republic themselves supplied the material. The same goes with Austin. How could they criticize his fabric choice when he chose it from what they gave him? It just didn't seem right. Also about Austin's...they said "holiday dress," did they every say Christmas? And if it was supposed to be implied that they meant Christmas, how come I didn't get it? I know I'm biased by the designers I like, but still, sometimes it seems the judges have a double standard.
I applaude for what you said. I agree.
I am just very disappointed with the judges as the show progressed, and this 3rd episode with BR was just plain disappointing. BR is never renowed for "style" or "fashion-forward", who are they trying to fool? it's a mass produced, trendy label with no significant personality. (can you tell I don't shop at BR at all? lol...) At least Gap sticks with the so-called "All-Amercian" branding.
I understand Nina Garcia was just doing her job but she did come off haughty and very subjective (on screen and in real life) while someone like Michael Kors came off more neutral and at least understanding.
The eBay lady, Constance White, was actually a quite respected jounalist before her gig in eBay--but hey I dont even know why eBay needed a stylist.
My problem with the judges isn't whether or not they are qualified (anyone is entitled to comment on the competion, but the question is, are they constructive? are they capable?), but their manners toward the work these designers busted their a*s to present. It was shown during the preview of next week's episode, Betsy Johnson, a woman who's known for her nutty, wild and 'fun' style, commmented on something as "that's not the things I would wear"--I am sorry but it was such a 'duh' moment. Betsy Johnson, despited her zillions years in fashion, despite her age-inappropriate outfits, was that the best she could come off when invited to be a judge on a fashion-oriented show? "that's the things I would wear". Sorry Betsy, Starr is gone, or her over-the-top costume-y outfits might work perfectly for you.
Fashion and its bitches.
I am just very disappointed with the judges as the show progressed, and this 3rd episode with BR was just plain disappointing. BR is never renowed for "style" or "fashion-forward", who are they trying to fool? it's a mass produced, trendy label with no significant personality. (can you tell I don't shop at BR at all? lol...) At least Gap sticks with the so-called "All-Amercian" branding.
I understand Nina Garcia was just doing her job but she did come off haughty and very subjective (on screen and in real life) while someone like Michael Kors came off more neutral and at least understanding.
The eBay lady, Constance White, was actually a quite respected jounalist before her gig in eBay--but hey I dont even know why eBay needed a stylist.
My problem with the judges isn't whether or not they are qualified (anyone is entitled to comment on the competion, but the question is, are they constructive? are they capable?), but their manners toward the work these designers busted their a*s to present. It was shown during the preview of next week's episode, Betsy Johnson, a woman who's known for her nutty, wild and 'fun' style, commmented on something as "that's not the things I would wear"--I am sorry but it was such a 'duh' moment. Betsy Johnson, despited her zillions years in fashion, despite her age-inappropriate outfits, was that the best she could come off when invited to be a judge on a fashion-oriented show? "that's the things I would wear". Sorry Betsy, Starr is gone, or her over-the-top costume-y outfits might work perfectly for you.
Fashion and its bitches.
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I applaude for what you said. I agree.
I am just very disappointed with the judges as the show progressed, and this 3rd episode with BR was just plain disappointing. BR is never renowed for "style" or "fashion-forward", who are they trying to fool? it's a mass produced, trendy label with no significant personality. (can you tell I don't shop at BR at all? lol...) At least Gap sticks with the so-called "All-Amercian" branding.
I understand Nina Garcia was just doing her job but she did come off haughty and very subjective (on screen and in real life) while someone like Michael Kors came off more neutral and at least understanding.
The eBay lady, Constance White, was actually a quite respected jounalist before her gig in eBay--but hey I dont even know why eBay needed a stylist.
My problem with the judges isn't whether or not they are qualified (anyone is entitled to comment on the competion, but the question is, are they constructive? are they capable?), but their manners toward the work these designers busted their a*s to present. It was shown during the preview of next week's episode, Betsy Johnson, a woman who's known for her nutty, wild and 'fun' style, commmented on something as "that's not the things I would wear"--I am sorry but it was such a 'duh' moment. Betsy Johnson, despited her zillions years in fashion, despite her age-inappropriate outfits, was that the best she could come off when invited to be a judge on a fashion-oriented show? "that's the things I would wear". Sorry Betsy, Starr is gone, or her over-the-top costume-y outfits might work perfectly for you.
Fashion and its bitches.
oooo, well said post, especially regarding the judges! I must >>>APPLAUD<<< you!
Awww, thank you, TTB.
thanks guys or girls, the thing is, fashion is so objective, and it can be soooo opinionated, if GohnGalliano or JeanPaul Gaultier's couture are on there, those 2 would be the first 2 eliminated. I mean come on, it's NOT fair when Nina say those kind of things. I mean, you can say something constructive, but stop being bitchy!
PS: I thougth STARR wasn't that bad, she episode 3 dress was very DonatellaVersace though...
PS: I thougth STARR wasn't that bad, she episode 3 dress was very DonatellaVersace though...
Hmmm.
At the end of the show there is a short explanation of how the judging is done. It is so short in fact, that I have yet to be able to read more than a few words. One of the words that I do catch is "Producers".
If this show is like others in the reality judging vein, then the judges on camera may have less to do with the actual outcome than you all give them credit for..
If in fact "the producers" are the determinant for who wins or leaves then you can be pretty sure that the decisions will be as influenced by personality and "plotting" as fashion.
I suspect this is true.
I don't really care that much though.
This is the only reality show where people are able to show talent doing useful tasks. The apprentice purported to look for someone to run a company, and then sent out these future professionals to make lemonade and drive rickshaws. What a waste. At least here we get to see some of the aspects of the creative life which are lacking in almost all other television.
I know NOTHING about fashion. Matter of fact, what I do know, I don't much care for. But I realize that it is an obsession to a lot of people. You cannot get "cutting edge" anything on television, so don't expect it. This is BROADcasting.
Relax and enjoy the festivities.
Even though I know nada concerning fashion, I still believe in my shrivelled cynical heart that I know who will win.
Winning Model Melissa, second Domenique.
Winning Designer Austin, runner up Nora
At the end of the show there is a short explanation of how the judging is done. It is so short in fact, that I have yet to be able to read more than a few words. One of the words that I do catch is "Producers".
If this show is like others in the reality judging vein, then the judges on camera may have less to do with the actual outcome than you all give them credit for..
If in fact "the producers" are the determinant for who wins or leaves then you can be pretty sure that the decisions will be as influenced by personality and "plotting" as fashion.
I suspect this is true.
I don't really care that much though.
This is the only reality show where people are able to show talent doing useful tasks. The apprentice purported to look for someone to run a company, and then sent out these future professionals to make lemonade and drive rickshaws. What a waste. At least here we get to see some of the aspects of the creative life which are lacking in almost all other television.
I know NOTHING about fashion. Matter of fact, what I do know, I don't much care for. But I realize that it is an obsession to a lot of people. You cannot get "cutting edge" anything on television, so don't expect it. This is BROADcasting.
Relax and enjoy the festivities.
Even though I know nada concerning fashion, I still believe in my shrivelled cynical heart that I know who will win.
Winning Model Melissa, second Domenique.
Winning Designer Austin, runner up Nora
I absolutely dislike Nina Garcia. Here is a totally plastic woman who can't even begin to understand how a real woman dresses. I loved Austin's dress (I just finished watch ep 3 again). I really think this woman needs to get a life.
Well, any woman with a woman's body knows how women wear clothes. That's a silly statement to make. Now, if she were a man, she'd really never know what it is to be a woman wearing a dress. Even transsexuals don't really know, can't ever know (but it's the closest a born man can ever get to knowing) Men can't know, but all women must know. Women always transpose their needs into their clothing, and constantly adjust and re-adjust their clothing in the course of a day (most men don't and can't understand this). It's what we have to go through as a result of the comfort sacrifice we made for beauty. As an example, shoes. Women endure corns, bunions, and ingrown toenails for beauty, and that's only one kind of sacrifice. We're expected to do our work in such things, and have to search long and hard for a comfortable work- appropriate shoe.
Men's shoes don't have such restrictions, comfort is their first priority, and they have to go out of their way to find an uncomfortable shoe.
That said, Garcia comes off a little too brutal for me. The designers are much more sympathetic.
I liked the banana republic designer. I thought that she showed a lot of class.
I've met Constance and seen her work. She's really cool in person and she was cool on the show.
Men's shoes don't have such restrictions, comfort is their first priority, and they have to go out of their way to find an uncomfortable shoe.
That said, Garcia comes off a little too brutal for me. The designers are much more sympathetic.
I liked the banana republic designer. I thought that she showed a lot of class.
I've met Constance and seen her work. She's really cool in person and she was cool on the show.
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