Amen!
Dear Producers,
Please please please don't do this again! I loved this show because I know nothing about the fashion industry and the professionalism shown by this show through the first 5 episodes or so was awesome. And then the same old crap became the focus. There are 100+ braindead reality shows out there where people are being cutthroat with each other. Trust us. You don't want your show to be about that.
I literally turned the channel when ever it got really Wendyheavy. Granted Wendy is that type of person. Trying to get by with attention and dramatics and hoping the sympathy generated will get her by. The problem comes when you the producers focus on that and give her more airtime to do that. Just don't show the bits where she's going off on other people and about "her strategy" like that. That's the solution.
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Ok, I think I got this working now.. Kind of confusing and posted on wrong spot. ANYWAYS... A decision as important as who should go to the final 3 should not be made by a single individuals personal taste in ONE dress. What a mistake the show made in allowing that! The final 3 should be based on overall performance throughout the show. Isn't that was this show was all about? Picking the top 3 designers? Not picking the top 2 and leaving the last spot decided by someone who had not been directly involved in ALL the designers. Perhaps a better idea would have been to allow the "outted" designers decide who the final 3 should be. Who better to know than those who have been working with ALL of the designers for weeks...lets think about that. Fashion sense? Most talented? Team players? And above all good designers? The designers themselves! I was greatly disappointed. Not in who the final 3 were,(although, personally we all know who it should have been), but disappointed in the way the final 3 were decided. Thanks for listening!~
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General question - as a woman, who would you wear as far as the fashions go? Not what looks good on a MODEL, but the average woman?
Austin completented every woman- made them classic, glamorous,sexy and feminine.
Jay is very forward and still body conscious. Artistic,unique and free.
Kara Saun usually complemented a womans body but the final show lost it for me. No jodphurs or focus on my hip,tummy area, thank you.
Kevin was up and down - rock star? No, Barbie on pop punk crack.
Hi! This is my first post, but I am a big fan of the show...can't wait for a second installment.
This post caught my eye because of the question "What would you wear?"
After seeing Jay's runway show...I am DYING to know a)Will any of this be mass produced and
Do you think Jay will make a plus size version of that skirt with the turquoise swirls? I LOVED THAT PIECE!!!!Jay's designs were very wearable and have a great commercial appeal for women of any size. People in the fashion industry tend to forget that ALL women need clothes. Thank you Jay for creating designs that peak the interest of women in all shapes and sizes!
Someone posted a complaint about the judges being too harsh. I strongly disagree. The world is not a Disneyfied version of a Brothers Grimm fairytale. All of the judges provided useful feedback that will help the designers grow, and Michael Kors' input reminded me of a professor providing feedback on a graduate thesis.
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Drama
This is the thing that I like least about the show!!! As the show progressed, I slowly saw the program becoming yet another Reality show… Come on Bravo, there is no need to get on that path. This program can easily hold its own. I honestly could care less about the BS that goes on behind the scenes.. The Wendy drama etc.. who cares??? She hurt herself by acting the way she did.. I want to see the end results. If you thought that helped your ratings.. it hurt them with me.
I agree! I didn't mind it in the first 9 projects, but in the finale it got way overdone and bogged down. But I don't think they could really do anything about that because evil [expletive deleted] Wendy is constantly looking at how she can screw somebody. The only way around it would be to cut her completely out which would have been my choice! I have met people like her out east (is this an eastern thing or what?) who are always thinking of how to get ahead of everyone else no matter what. She even fooled Jay some more at the end there. She never let up, I even think bringing her mom in to talk to Jay was a planned move. God she is delusional.
Just think how different this show would have been if Austin had been there, Now that would have been a show you would watch several times. I mean, him and Jay together that would have been funny I'm sure. Not so dark and negative. And I think Jay would have been more outspoken with Kara about the shoes but in a funny way. Wendy was starting to rub off on everyone. She really screwed Jay and Kara out of what could have been a really great time. I pity her daughter. And for all of you that think she is so great and a good mother go watch the show again and play it in slow motion where her daughter corrects her about the picture. Then tell me that you don't think that kid just realized she was in trouble!! I really believe Wendy drew the mustache on her own daughters picture. I believe she had it planned to use even before she got to the show. Any parent would not take the only picture they have and love so much someplace like this and take a chance losing it. You would make a copy. She is a lying backstabbing piece of ass lint!
But I did like the show overall. I am glad Jay won. I was very interested in this whole series to see how this all worked. I was amazed at how unprofessional some of the models were in the last show. Is that typical. 7 of Jays were late and then they broke his headsets. What the hell is that? Don't go with character next time Jay. Melissa looked super hot and that was one dress of Wendy's that I liked. But I think she knew Wendy was pretty unlikely to win and she was sad about that.
Great show Bravo, just try not to get caught up in this evil drama crap to much.
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(I know this isn't a very exciting post, but just wanted to let folks know that a lot of people feel the same)
(I know this isn't a very exciting post, but just wanted to let folks know that a lot of people feel the same)
I so totally agree. I was really surprised to see Kara Saun go that direction. It made me completely rethink what kind of person she was, and what type of tactics she used. I honestly could not see what would bring on such childish and unprofessional behavior. And I'm wondering if anyone else started to think that perhaps her "help" to Jay in redesigning his top in that last episode was not supposed to help at all? Seems to me that she smiled when they criticized the new top. The biggest turn off for me was her sense of entitlement and that she honestly did not seem to get it-- she didn't see it was a problem at all-- that she broke the rules to get ahead. Kudos to Jay for actually saying that it bothered her. And also for trying to get along with Wendy like a decent person and a professional. Ick. That whole drama makes me feel icky and I hope they take a higher road on future seasons. By the way, I am very pleased that Jay won.
Also, they kept talking about how "old" Wendy was-- isn't Kara Saun almost as old? By the way, how come everyone calls her Kara Saun and not Kara?
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Also, they kept talking about how "old" Wendy was-- isn't Kara Saun almost as old? By the way, how come everyone calls her Kara Saun and not Kara?
I think that Kara is about two years younger than Wendy. Kara's name is Kara Saunders but since her clothing line is called Kara Saun I think that she goes by Kara Saun.
It seemed to me that the only person who made an issue of Wendy's age was Wendy. Who kept talking about how old Wendy was?* Besides Kara, Kevin and Vanessa are in her age group as well (there is speculation that Kevin might even be older than her.)
*I'm not saying this didn't happen but I don't remember it really being an issue with the others.
I thought Kara was the best designer, but happy that Jay won for exposure. Obviously Kara is to some degree established and has connections. I did not like Wendy's personality as she connived up to the time in N.Y. when her Mom and daughter appeared in the room where everyone was making the finishing touches!!!! However, I think she has talent for her chosen market, to which every designer has a right.
I loved the show but feel there are inherent problems having designers of all levels represented. This isn't fair to the more junior designers, but not fair to, e.g., Kara for having her connections and using them. I feel the fiasco over the shoes was overblown because she thought of the importance of shoes. Based on Wendy's initial reaction, Wendy was upset cause she simply hadn't thought of the shoes. Again this is because Kara has been out there, and the show welcomed all levels. As far as the shoes influencing the judges, it would influence a lay person but not professional designers. I did not see them look down at the shoes and actually neither did I. I think Kara is too much of a professional to have risked having these shoes and knowingly went against the contract. I think this last minute activity from the show must have been a distraction to Kara, and the others, where she may have, e.g., caught the fact that the dress for the one model was too long, but that's part of life. Also it seems unfair that although Jay designed some sweaters I believe, he did not make them. Again I am happy he won for exposure. I hope for another season with a bit more level playing field. Loved Heidi and Tim.
I loved the show but feel there are inherent problems having designers of all levels represented. This isn't fair to the more junior designers, but not fair to, e.g., Kara for having her connections and using them. I feel the fiasco over the shoes was overblown because she thought of the importance of shoes. Based on Wendy's initial reaction, Wendy was upset cause she simply hadn't thought of the shoes. Again this is because Kara has been out there, and the show welcomed all levels. As far as the shoes influencing the judges, it would influence a lay person but not professional designers. I did not see them look down at the shoes and actually neither did I. I think Kara is too much of a professional to have risked having these shoes and knowingly went against the contract. I think this last minute activity from the show must have been a distraction to Kara, and the others, where she may have, e.g., caught the fact that the dress for the one model was too long, but that's part of life. Also it seems unfair that although Jay designed some sweaters I believe, he did not make them. Again I am happy he won for exposure. I hope for another season with a bit more level playing field. Loved Heidi and Tim.
**Executive producers** please take note that office politics, which is essentially what the Wendy drama was, is a total yawn. The exciting part of Project Runway was watching the design process from inception to completion. It isn't necessary to create an adversary to root against in order to get ratings. It would have been much more interesting to see more than two gifted designers face off at Olympus fashion week.
I agree. I am really dissapointed with the outcome of this show. My wife and I watched it since day one and thought Kara Saun was the one. Not to underestimate Jay's talent, (I would like to see my wife with the outfit he designed for the grammys, that was his masterpiece, along with the fucsia gown on fashion week), but he still needs to grow as a designer. Kara was by far the best overall designer, covering all the bases for a flawless fashion show (flawless, as Nina Garcia said). The shoes and the accessories must be brought along with the collection, you don't take chances with that. Ok, so she broke a rule, who has not? Wendy, Wendy... I don't know how she got that far. Austin Should've earned that spot. He deserved to compete with Kara at the end. I think the outed designers would agree.
^ But if the show ended up that way, we wouldn't be having all the dirt between Wendy/Kara Saun/Jay to talk about!
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I think that Kara is about two years younger than Wendy. Kara's name is Kara Saunders but since her clothing line is called Kara Saun I think that she goes by Kara Saun.
It seemed to me that the only person who made an issue of Wendy's age was Wendy. Who kept talking about how old Wendy was?* Besides Kara, Kevin and Vanessa are in her age group as well (there is speculation that Kevin might even be older than her.)
*I'm not saying this didn't happen but I don't remember it really being an issue with the others.
I don't think it was anyone on the show who made a big deal of it, it was the press. Or if anyone from the show, it was the marketing team saying "Look, we have this 40 year old mom from small-town Virginia, isn't that amazing!" like she's a unicorn or something.
Wendy only seemed to make a big deal about her age in the vein that this was her last shot at making it big. Kara was shown talking about that, how weird it seemed, but I think Wendy's idea is that she's 40 and a mom and isn't going to be able to take any more opportunities like this one because of the financial risk vs. familial responsibilities she has.
You can use the shoes, but the judges can't consider them in their judging was not really a solution. They were there and contributed to the effect. "Pay no attention to those shoes!!"
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Also it seems unfair that although Jay designed some sweaters I believe, he did not make them. Again I am happy he won for exposure. I hope for another season with a bit more level playing field.
Knitting and crocheting are not easy things to learn how to do, and can be especially difficult to do *well*. They are also exceptionally time consuming for people who are not as practiced with the technique. I think it is well within the contract (ethics implied) to hire someone to make something that requires a skill that you don't have. He did design the sweaters, and he did pay for them to be done, while staying within his budget. (sidenote - I thought it was interesting that the judges asked Jay if he did the quilting and was incredibly impressed that he had done it all himself. It is incredibly tedious work to do and I'm sure they were expecting him to say that he had hired someone to help him with it)
If Kara had paid for the shoes to be made, then it wouldn't have been an issue. The issue was not that she had custom shoes made, it was that she had them made for free. From what Tim said, the producers felt that $15 a pair was the same thing as getting them for free, because that clearly did not come close to the actual value of the shoes. Can you buy shoes (even leather boots) for $15? Sure, if you know where to look. Can you have leather boots custom made for you for that much? No, not really. That was a huge favor that Dollhouse did for her, and that was what went against the contract.
I believe "plagarism" refers specifically to written works.
Now, an indepth discussion on intellectual property and derivitive works and the case law, disputes and controversial grey areas as it pertains to the field of fashion could be quite informative and educational...
I doubt it, the public has a very short attention span.
Quote:Quote:I don't expect to convince anyone of anything. These boards are purely a marketplace for ideas and reasonable discussion. Wendy is a designer...now whether or not you think she is a good one is the subject open for your debate, it seems.
You claimed that Wendy was a designer and I disagree and a lot of others disagree, too. You expect to convince all of them they're wrong?
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Then you take it up with Tim Gunn, Jay and other people like that, since there is quite a consensus among people who know.
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>>You claimed that Wendy was a designer and I disagree and a >>lot of others disagree, too. You expect to convince all of >>them they're wrong?
Have you posted anything other than any number of variations on "Wendy sucks"? You're sounding like a broken record. And yea, I know you have the right to post whatever you want and I have the right to comment on how boring you're sounding. And no, I'm not a Defendy (btw, this nickname has lost its cleverness a long time ago)
I react to the same tripe I guess. I never said "Wendy sucks" exactly. Derivative and not a designer and I don't like her colors. Where did I say anything else beyond the fact that her behavior was pretty negative?
You just like reading the Defendys or what? It's not like I don't know who you are. I'm sorta surprised considering how nasty a trick Wendy pulled on Morgan that you'd want to even partially defend Wendy. I said, more or less, what Tim Gunn and Jay have said.
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Great post. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Final thought--Wendy's designs never won over the fashionistas and I agree that her collection as a whole did not deliver the same impact as Jay or KS on the runway. However, she produced some great designs particularly Melissa’s gown and that gorgeous confection in fuschia.
Like you, I rarely visit messageboards or posted before PR. Gotta get back to work. Signing off 'til the next season...
Final thought--Wendy's designs never won over the fashionistas and I agree that her collection as a whole did not deliver the same impact as Jay or KS on the runway. However, she produced some great designs particularly Melissa’s gown and that gorgeous confection in fuschia.
Like you, I rarely visit messageboards or posted before PR. Gotta get back to work. Signing off 'til the next season...
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I believe "plagarism" refers specifically to written works.
That's not correct. Here, again, is the definition.
Plagiarize: 1. to steal or pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own; 2. use (a created production) without crediting the source; 3. present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source.
Neither ideas nor products fit neatly into the niche of written works. You can indeed plagiarize a design. That's why there's a Patent Office, a Trademark Office and a branch of law called Intellectual Property.
Hello Everyone,
Just like the subject line says does anyone have any information on where to sign up for next season? The season finale said to look here for information but I am finding nothing thanks in advance.
Just like the subject line says does anyone have any information on where to sign up for next season? The season finale said to look here for information but I am finding nothing thanks in advance.
Wendy DOES rock. If the designers on the show don't understand yet about the business world, they are in for a wee surprise when they get there (and they all will)! I've studied all the episodes and fail to see what she did wrong with her admission that she had a winning strategy. "If it sells, it's creative," to borrow a page from late advertising icon David Ogilvy. True, to paraphrase Michael K, that one must be true to one's self -- but listen with the other ear. Nothing wrong with niche marketing. Must every "artist" be underappreciated during his or her lifetime, or is there a way to blend artistic expression with the whims of the marketplace? OK, maybe Wendy isn't the next big thing (and obviously she took to heart the "don't be dowdy" advice and made a naughty dress), but she may be viable in the marketplace and as Michael said, she is tenacious and skillful. Now about Kara, I am SO glad she lost--she needs to grow up. She is not without tremendous talent, obviously. From the beginning, the show's editing made clear she would be a contender. Her collection was sad with all the fur and leather, and she turned out to be the devious, Machiavellian player. I wish that the fashion industry would be a man and get real; obviously the lack of compassion stems from lack of knowledge, not malice. Factory farmed animals, fur factory animals, and livestock are unprotected by animal cruelty laws in the U.S., and if all of you knew exactly what happened to them you would not be designing with animal-derived products, I am sure. Despite that, the average age of the fur wearer is now about 34, because dingbats like Nina tell us that it is fashionable. And we, like sheep, believe it, because we are insecure. Anyway, speaking of show designers growing up ... there's no way that Austin is 23. He is a seasoned professional and behaved as such.
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Hello Everyone,
Just like the subject line says does anyone have any information on where to sign up for next season? The season finale said to look here for information but I am finding nothing thanks in advance.
If you sign up for the PR updates (see the Home page) they mention that they are going to send out notices of when they are going to cast the next season.
Thanks for the tip and it looks like they just updated their home page for sign up thanks again.
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You can use the shoes, but the judges can't consider them in their judging was not really a solution. They were there and contributed to the effect. "Pay no attention to those shoes!!"
How many people were looking at the models' feet? You know when I looked at feet? When the model couldn't walk in the shoes. Attention was drawn to the feet because she couldn't walk. That's what Michael Kors meant when he said "You lost the dress". I loved the big mucklucks Jay used but only noticed them because it was a camera long shot and they were so BIG. And I noticed the pair of white boots that matched the white aviator outfit because they were WHITE. All in all it reminds me of Sherlock Holmes. The unusual thing about the dog in the night. But the dog didn't bark. Aha...that's the unusual thing. As long as nothing really sticks out, you're not looking at the shoes, you're looking at the clothes on the model. Mostly torso. And if you're not...there's something wrong with the outfit. In the end the shoes didn't do anything to help Kara Saun. They had issues that had nothing to do with shoes.
Ok, I gotta say that I liked Wendy's collection best. I know it had little to no continuity (aside from color) but I really, really liked it. I have no experience with fashion...none. This is the view of one lay-person. But seriously, am I that crazy to say I loved her stuff? Did anyone else love her stuff? Seriously folks, when I saw her collection my eyes were bugging out becuase I hated her designs (and personality) prior to this episode. But my heart skipped a beat when Melissa came out in that bodice/green skirt thing. Help me people! Did/does anyone else know what I mean???
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Ok, I gotta say that I liked Wendy's collection best. I know it had little to no continuity (aside from color) but I really, really liked it. I have no experience with fashion...none. This is the view of one lay-person. But seriously, am I that crazy to say I loved her stuff? Did anyone else love her stuff? Seriously folks, when I saw her collection my eyes were bugging out becuase I hated her designs (and personality) prior to this episode. But my heart skipped a beat when Melissa came out in that bodice/green skirt thing. Help me people! Did/does anyone else know what I mean???
Sure this makes total sense. I just posted a message on another thread about how one may not have the training to declare who is the best designer but you know what you like.
And there is nothing wrong with liking Wendy's collection best. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I, too, liked a couple of Wendy's pieces, but disliked the collection as a whole. The fact is, she really did not produce a "collection". In episode seven (?), when the designers were asked to put together a collection, the definition was clear. Create a line of clothes that look like they belong together, and color alone does not do it. They should be a series that "tells a story". Wendy's clothes did not accomplish this. Also, the idea of a fashion show and a collection (In this instance) was to try and anticipate something new and fresh that would come onto the fashion scene. Again, something that was not accomplished by her clothes. Some good clothes? Sure (I liked Melissa's dress too), but Wendy's shortcoming was that she made a lot of off the rack (Okay, pun intended) clothes, not a "collection"
From the beginning of the show I have admired Wendy's focus and drive. Did she go over the top with some of her comments - absolutely. Did being taken out of her familar environment bring about a certain cunning - of course. But I think all the negative reaction to her is just so disproportionate from her behavior. She was not the only designer to show bad behavoir. Other designers on the show made false accusations, insulted each other in the workroom, tried to distract one another, and used unfair advantages. And in the end it was the judges who brought the questions to Wendy. She had no more power over them than anyone else.
Though inconsistent, Wendy does have talent. Her Banana Republic, Grammy, and wedding dress designs proved that. In her fashion week collection on the runway I loved her rich choice of colors and a few pieces, most notably the rose colored dress, the leather miniskirt ensemble, and the corset with emerald green trailing skirt. If anything, she designs clothes that most women across the board could wear and get away with. There is probably a larger market out there for her clothes than all the other designers. Is she the most innovative? No. But still - she proved herself.
I think the real poorly behaved designer was Vanessa. I think her attitude on the reunion episode just reeked of bitterness and was actually somewhat creepy. I thought from the beginning of the show she was obnoxious with her awful singing, and thought she was really something, popping off in her British accent all the time. That really grated on my nerves. I could not believe she insulted all the other designers, and basically said Kara Saun and Jay did not deserve to be in the final 3. Then she was accusing others of having no talent. Well, if she has all this superior talent and is such a genius when it comes to design, why did she need to go on the show to begin with? Why is she not already on the level of Donna Karan?
On top of it - she can't even sew! That is like a musician saying "I can't read music."
In my opinion she is just delusional and a legend in her own mind. Perhaps she should go on the dole and rethink her career alltogether. I think it kills her that a mother from a small historical town proved to have more vision, ability, tenacity (and sewing skills) than her. I think because she is from London and has a hoity-toity accent she considered herself so above everyone else on the show.
I am so proud of Jay for calling her out on her "sour grapes" and ugly behavior. And I thought his collection was great. I was happy he won. Kara Saun is also extremely talented, carries herself so well, and will go far.
Though inconsistent, Wendy does have talent. Her Banana Republic, Grammy, and wedding dress designs proved that. In her fashion week collection on the runway I loved her rich choice of colors and a few pieces, most notably the rose colored dress, the leather miniskirt ensemble, and the corset with emerald green trailing skirt. If anything, she designs clothes that most women across the board could wear and get away with. There is probably a larger market out there for her clothes than all the other designers. Is she the most innovative? No. But still - she proved herself.
I think the real poorly behaved designer was Vanessa. I think her attitude on the reunion episode just reeked of bitterness and was actually somewhat creepy. I thought from the beginning of the show she was obnoxious with her awful singing, and thought she was really something, popping off in her British accent all the time. That really grated on my nerves. I could not believe she insulted all the other designers, and basically said Kara Saun and Jay did not deserve to be in the final 3. Then she was accusing others of having no talent. Well, if she has all this superior talent and is such a genius when it comes to design, why did she need to go on the show to begin with? Why is she not already on the level of Donna Karan?
On top of it - she can't even sew! That is like a musician saying "I can't read music."
In my opinion she is just delusional and a legend in her own mind. Perhaps she should go on the dole and rethink her career alltogether. I think it kills her that a mother from a small historical town proved to have more vision, ability, tenacity (and sewing skills) than her. I think because she is from London and has a hoity-toity accent she considered herself so above everyone else on the show.
I am so proud of Jay for calling her out on her "sour grapes" and ugly behavior. And I thought his collection was great. I was happy he won. Kara Saun is also extremely talented, carries herself so well, and will go far.
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"Pathetic mistreatment of Wendy as a person firstly and a denigration of her as a designer secondly, which is totally subjective, but I see a myriad of posts on here (and on the show) that deride her designs purely out of hating her."
Good Point BitteM,
I felt like everyone picked on Wendy because she was not "one of them," and I was REALLY HAPPY when Jay won, I would have liked to see Wendy win, but I had a feeling she wouldn't. I really didn't want to see Kara Saun win I DISLIKED HER VERY STRONGLY! She sat on her high horse talking about how she played the game with integrity, HA! In the episode when Austin was eliminated, she was helping Jay fix his dress so he wouldn't lose because in my mind she thought either her or Austin would win and Wendy would get eliminated. Then in the final episode the shoe thing, and her cockiness when she called her friend to send an invoice, SHE DESERVED TO LOSE! She was just as underhanded as she accused Wendy of being.
But, I have to admit, Jay made me laugh every week with his funny ways, plus I didn't see him do anything underhanded to anyone. He played by the rules and subsequently won. GO Jay!
Kara Saunders deserved a lot more than losing. She ought to have been kicked off the show, right then and there. I have no doubt, whatsoever, that the majority of her "incredibly rich" (from Jay, final show) materials were similarly donated to her cause. Psudeo-invoices for knock-off Gucci clasps are the way she succeeded in having such a fabulous (if redundant - 'o where, o' where have the backs to her dresses gone? o' where 'o where can they be) collection. Sanctimonious, hypocritical, condescending, self-righteous, smug, pious, pompous, arrogant...
I think Jay won, hands down. He is, indeed, hilarious.
Wendy is, and has been, a profitable designer. And, now she's got name recognition to spare...it's when they don't talk about you (Vanessa) that you've got problems.
So There!
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But my heart skipped a beat when Melissa came out in that bodice/green skirt thing. Help me people! Did/does anyone else know what I mean???
I got deja vu. I swear I the cut of that dress was real popular about 5 years ago, give or take a few years. I don't know if it was Vera Wang that did it first with a wedding gown but I'm sure that all the major pattern makers had patterns out. I think I even have one. She did an Austin Scarlett skirt and added leather buckles. But it was hardly original.
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You can use the shoes, but the judges can't consider them in their judging was not really a solution. They were there and contributed to the effect. "Pay no attention to those shoes!!"
Kind of like saying, "whatever you do, don't think of a pink elephant!!" . . . So what do you do after that, but picture a pink elephant? <sigh>
I was *so* glad Jay won, because I loved his collection, truly loved it. And I was very glad that Wendy did as well as she did - I don't care what anybody else thinks, her work has improved by orders of magnitude over the length of the show. If she keeps on pursuing fashion *design* (although even Michael Kors said that her tailoring skills are excellent - and there are days I would nearly kill to find a good one in my home town), she may yet surprise all the nay-sayers. (Go Wendy!) As for Kara Saun, even though her collection was beautiful, it didn't do anything for me. And after Shoegate, I was repelled by her "anything I can get by with is just fine, whether or not it violates a contract" approach to competing (what's "fair" about that, pray tell?), and disgusted by her immaturity and holier-than-thou attitude. I hope - for her sake - that she eventually figures out she'd better worry about her own "soul" and leave everybody else's out of her conversation.
I'm not even going to bring Wendy as a designer into this post. I will say that I will never shop at Banana Republic, though.
What kind of example is Wendy setting for her daughter? Is it right, do you think, to tell your children by example "If you're not as talented as everyone else, then pretend to be their friend and do whatever underhanded strategy is needed to end up on top." What kind of ethic is that? I personally was appalled at how much Wendy used the f word during the finale. Does she talk like that around her little girl??? I hope not. I don't doubt Wendy's love for her daughter at all, but I think in her ambition to become a famous designer, she's lost sight of what's really important in life, and that's to set a good example for our children so that they will grow up valuing respect, work ethic, and merit based on quality of workmanship, not razzle dazzle smoke and mirrors. I hope that she sees herself on that finale and thinks twice about what direction she's beginning to take in her life, otherwise I'd hate to have my child in the same class as her daughter, who would probably learn from her mother some very undesirable habits. I am ashamed of Wendy's behavior, as well all good mothers should be.
What kind of example is Wendy setting for her daughter? Is it right, do you think, to tell your children by example "If you're not as talented as everyone else, then pretend to be their friend and do whatever underhanded strategy is needed to end up on top." What kind of ethic is that? I personally was appalled at how much Wendy used the f word during the finale. Does she talk like that around her little girl??? I hope not. I don't doubt Wendy's love for her daughter at all, but I think in her ambition to become a famous designer, she's lost sight of what's really important in life, and that's to set a good example for our children so that they will grow up valuing respect, work ethic, and merit based on quality of workmanship, not razzle dazzle smoke and mirrors. I hope that she sees herself on that finale and thinks twice about what direction she's beginning to take in her life, otherwise I'd hate to have my child in the same class as her daughter, who would probably learn from her mother some very undesirable habits. I am ashamed of Wendy's behavior, as well all good mothers should be.
Quote:Honestly, I hope that mothers and fathers are not looking to the fashion world, or TV for that matter, for guidance in raising their children's ethics and morals up high.
I'm not even going to bring Wendy as a designer into this post. I will say that I will never shop at Banana Republic, though.
What kind of example is Wendy setting for her daughter? Is it right, do you think, to tell your children by example "If you're not as talented as everyone else, then pretend to be their friend and do whatever underhanded strategy is needed to end up on top." What kind of ethic is that? I personally was appalled at how much Wendy used the f word during the finale. Does she talk like that around her little girl??? I hope not. I don't doubt Wendy's love for her daughter at all, but I think in her ambition to become a famous designer, she's lost sight of what's really important in life, and that's to set a good example for our children so that they will grow up valuing respect, work ethic, and merit based on quality of workmanship, not razzle dazzle smoke and mirrors. I hope that she sees herself on that finale and thinks twice about what direction she's beginning to take in her life, otherwise I'd hate to have my child in the same class as her daughter, who would probably learn from her mother some very undesirable habits. I am ashamed of Wendy's behavior, as well all good mothers should be.
Ya, you have gone mad if you liked Wendy's designs the best. So, she won the Banana Republic and Grammy's contests, but we all know that she didn't "design" those dresses as we've seen those looks before. She is a seamstress. I've been sewing since 6th grade and can knock out several pieces with my own homemade pattern now, but that doesn't make me a designer -- just someone who's sewn long enough to put together some things from memory and experience. As far as her "collection" on the runway, one can pick up just about any Chadwicks catalog (very low end stuff) and see most of her outfits in the pages. The corset and flounce skirt look has been around for about five years now -- look up the Golden Globe and Grammy red carpet archives online. The worst thing about Wendy's designs was that she handled herself with little to no dignity or class. How many times did she use the "F" word? How many times did she go from petulant teenager to crybaby? How many times did she flaunt (use) her daughter for sympathy -- did she think she was running for public office or something? I know that the design world isn't the place to look for role models, but when a person reveals so much poor behavior it is hard to imagine walking around in anything that they have put their hands one.
The corset gown like Wendy's entire collection lacked any originality and looked very dated. In 1983, Gaultier used the corset in his "Dadaiste" collection which was later made famous by Madonna. The corset look is distinctly Gaultier and he even has a line of perfume in a bottle shaped like a corset.
" I was *so* glad Jay won, because I loved his collection, truly loved it. And I was very glad that Wendy did as well as she did - I don't care what anybody else thinks, her work has improved by orders of magnitude over the length of the show. "
I too think the best designer won. Wendy definitely improved as the show continued, in addition, she was chosen out of 100's to be on Project Runway so in there eye's she was a designer, and I do like a lot of her designs. So, go Wendy!!!
I too think the best designer won. Wendy definitely improved as the show continued, in addition, she was chosen out of 100's to be on Project Runway so in there eye's she was a designer, and I do like a lot of her designs. So, go Wendy!!!
I think Wendy is great. The word I would describe most of the designers is GIMMICK! Lets pick some little gimmicky thing and gush all over it- oooh all the models have headphones and are each died a different color, what an amazing sense of consistency. Aviatrix, oh please- talk about what will be outdated in seven months! I think that is the biggest mark of our sound bite entertainment culture that I saw on this show, vision/consistency/feel is reduced to finding the right gimmick and not any sort of deeper sense of subtle reaction to what a designer is doing. I think Wendy's age, which was rubbed in all our faces for the whole show, gave her final designs a deeper more organic sense of vision that the viewer had to try a little harder to appreciate it- but I think the result is more rewarding. With the other two, it was like the instant gratification of a few quirky design elements- i.e. Jay's knitts and colors and Kara Saun's lowcut dresses and fur. It became obvious that Wendy would never be given a chance thanks to the bias of the production, though.
About Wendy as a demon- Kara Saun was like some insecure little 14 year old crying because 12 people on a reality show weren't all true blue friends after summer camp. Get a life- all that talk about Wendy not having a soul! She acts like Wendy was putting down Mother Theresa...get a life. Shouldn't we all assume that people have a life full of friends/family outside of this show.
I'm hollering for you Wendy-you just need to learn how to stand up for yourself! You were like a big middle finger to all the gum snapping kiddies on the show and I'm glad she made it to the end.
About Wendy as a demon- Kara Saun was like some insecure little 14 year old crying because 12 people on a reality show weren't all true blue friends after summer camp. Get a life- all that talk about Wendy not having a soul! She acts like Wendy was putting down Mother Theresa...get a life. Shouldn't we all assume that people have a life full of friends/family outside of this show.
I'm hollering for you Wendy-you just need to learn how to stand up for yourself! You were like a big middle finger to all the gum snapping kiddies on the show and I'm glad she made it to the end.
"Gum snapping kiddies?" Agism cuts both ways. No one in their right mind could mistake Wendy's mood swings, crying jags, deceptiveness, railings, petty scheming etc, etc. etc. for maturity.
Love your post!!! I agree, I agree, I agree, and could not have put it better myself. My husband and I refer to Wendy as JC Penny, but I think smug-faced imitator would work just as well. I can't believe people are really loving wendy and her work. Okay I do admit some-2 or 3, of the peices in her runway collection were half way decent but come on she should have been eliminated after the candy dress disaster. And every time she did her smug face I wanted to just scream.
I did watch the show for the fashion but secretly loved the drama.
And I can not get enough of Jay. fav quote of his "I hate Wendy"-with hands fanning himself.
great show, great cast, fabulous clothes!
I did watch the show for the fashion but secretly loved the drama.
And I can not get enough of Jay. fav quote of his "I hate Wendy"-with hands fanning himself.
great show, great cast, fabulous clothes!
Just wondering, but who are these people designing for? Personally, I would never wear the garments Jay designs and I don't know anyone who would look good in some of his designs (including the models). I don't know why Cara felt Wendy turned on Kevin when the judges saw the lack of leadership on Kevin's part based on the lack of cohesiveness within the line the group designed, and that's why he got booted not because Wendy stated the truth. I find it interesting how the judges always ask Wendy to reveal the truth regarding the leadership issues within the group. They tend to put her on the spot, and then when she tells the truth about the situation, the other designers turn on her. I just don't think Wendy is as sophisticated in respect to the shallow relationships held within this particular industry. I think she is probably the most normal and sincere person on the show, and like banana republic and the spokesperson for E, I would and could wear many of her garments.
As if anyone would actually walk around wearing any of Jay's clothes. If they did, I'm sure it would be labeled a dress disaster in one of the magazines. Who is going to walk around with a quilt wrapped around their shoulders. I don't care how cold it is, it's not gonna happen, except maybe at a football game and only if the weather is severe.
Quote:Terrific post. I thought it was fairly blatant that the show intentionally asked Wendy questions that would directly impact the negative relationships. Nothing new in this technique and really turned me off, but I just imagine that got a whole bunch of other viewers interested and that's just too bad. It's also too bad that the editing made Wendy look so bad, which was absolutely calculated and by the nastiness on this board, people fell for it as reality hook, line, and sinker.
Just wondering, but who are these people designing for? Personally, I would never wear the garments Jay designs and I don't know anyone who would look good in some of his designs (including the models). I don't know why Cara felt Wendy turned on Kevin when the judges saw the lack of leadership on Kevin's part based on the lack of cohesiveness within the line the group designed, and that's why he got booted not because Wendy stated the truth. I find it interesting how the judges always ask Wendy to reveal the truth regarding the leadership issues within the group. They tend to put her on the spot, and then when she tells the truth about the situation, the other designers turn on her. I just don't think Wendy is as sophisticated in respect to the shallow relationships held within this particular industry. I think she is probably the most normal and sincere person on the show, and like banana republic and the spokesperson for E, I would and could wear many of her garments.
Thank you for replying in a condescending tone. It is helpful.
Why is it that the Wendefenders, when rationalizing her deplorable behavior, invariably change the subject to talk about the terrible behavior of the other designers?
That sort of defense - but look at how so-and-so behaved! - just doesn't apply.
As Wendy reminded us, ad nauseum, she was a older and a Mom, implying what? - some sort of greater wisdom and awareness? It was Wendy who set herself apart from the other designers in terms of her social and cultural status. She chose that role. That's why she deserves to get called on it.
That sort of defense - but look at how so-and-so behaved! - just doesn't apply.
As Wendy reminded us, ad nauseum, she was a older and a Mom, implying what? - some sort of greater wisdom and awareness? It was Wendy who set herself apart from the other designers in terms of her social and cultural status. She chose that role. That's why she deserves to get called on it.
We weren't watching live TV. The producers and editors ultimately made the choice to allow the clip of the fabric store and to mention Dollhouse shoes over and over and over again.
They could have cut the clip of the fabric store and, with a bit of editing effort, told the story of Kara Saun's shoes without giving Dollhouse the free plugs.
Blame Kara Saun for poor decisions if you wish, but, again, if Bravo wanted to eliminate the 'free plugs', it only takes a little cut from the editors' digital scissors.
They could have cut the clip of the fabric store and, with a bit of editing effort, told the story of Kara Saun's shoes without giving Dollhouse the free plugs.
Blame Kara Saun for poor decisions if you wish, but, again, if Bravo wanted to eliminate the 'free plugs', it only takes a little cut from the editors' digital scissors.
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General question - as a woman, who would you wear as far as the fashions go? Not what looks good on a MODEL, but the average woman?
Austin completented every woman- made them classic, glamorous,sexy and feminine.
Jay is very forward and still body conscious. Artistic,unique and free.
Kara Saun usually complemented a womans body but the final show lost it for me. No jodphurs or focus on my hip,tummy area, thank you.
Kevin was up and down - rock star? No, Barbie on pop punk crack.
This is an excellent question. How many "normal" women would want to be seen in some of these outfits.
I can't honestly say that I would want to be seen in many of them except at a costume party.
Fashion should be want people want to wear and feel comfortable wearing (both personality and fit). Most of the designs in the final show were too over the top It looked like the models could barely move in them - and they're professionals who know how to move. Even if you could find the right occasion to wear some of these outfits, could you move in them or just stand around like a statue, like some of the decor.
As for the designers, I was not overly impressed with any of them. Jay was probably the most deserving of the win. His work combined showed an eye for fabric and color. Kara would make a decent COSTUME designer, not necessarily a fashion designer. Wendy's looked at least somewhat wearable, but not necessarily innovative.
The bottom line is "what is fashion"? Is it just something that is nice to look at, or is it wearable?
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