mariposa_blue
February 18, 2005 - 12:33 AM
Speaking of Love! Was I the only one who noticed how much Robert looking at Kara. The boy had a gleam in his eyes. You know she was the only one who cared what happened to him when he hurt himself showing out to get Alexandra's attention.
GuensMom
February 18, 2005 - 12:37 AM
ROFLMAO!!! Go, girl! The irony in your post is delightful and so dead-on! I *loved* it!
mariposa_blue
February 18, 2005 - 12:49 AM
Attitude.....Attitude.......Kara! Wendy is the one with attitude problems. She resented anyone who won the weekly contests. Kara was the first to congradulate her when Wendy won the BR dress contest, helped her with her hair and makeup. Kara is confident and if you can't tell the difference that says a lot about you! Wendy actually had the nerve to say how she did not like it when someone was distant from her when she had just stabbed them in the back to the judges, namely Kevin and Austin. Especially Austin. At least three of the other contestants were less than five years younger than Wendy. Kara is 37, Wendy 40.
Puddinhead
February 18, 2005 - 04:56 AM
I thought Wendy was a class act, remaining calm and confident in the face of all those whiny wannabees, and simply explaining her intentions and strategy. Vanessa proved herself to be a loose cannon, storming off the set as soon as she was confronted for yet another incidence (the popgurl interview) of her "verbal diarrhea."
I'd rather face a competitor like Wendy, who makes no pretensions or excuses. Kara is the one I'd fear: she's all sugar-and-spice to your face, and as soon as she turns away, says something vicious and unkind.
Nora was probably the most talented designer to be eliminated. And she should certainly get some kind of honorable mention for her dead-on impersonations, which were hilarious. I think as she matures personally and professionally, she could become a real fashion icon.
My last comment is that it's not the viewers or even the judges who make the eliminations each week: it's clearly the producers. They sculpt and craft each contestant into a caricature, and apparently most of us fall for it. Wendy's already won the most important contest: perspective on life's real priorities. The rest is just buttons & bows.
Mikkel
February 18, 2005 - 06:05 AM
You are correct, the producers run the show. It is stated in the credits at the end of each show where both the judges and the producers make the final selection of who goes and who stays. The producers have chosen Wendy to push up their ratings. They are promoting poor behavior as a way to get ahead and that is a dangerous message.
In the end, successful designers sell their product based on talent and their public personality. Wendy does winning designs but the buying public may choose to boycott her line of clothing if she ever gets a line off the ground. The winner of this series needs to be able to ultimately succeed in the real world.
xactlyme
February 18, 2005 - 07:33 AM
thank you thank you thank you!
geez! folks on the board are so into their wendy bashing im guessing they choose not recognize the greater 'evil'.
wendy admits to her underhandedness and manipulation, and its about the game, nothing is personal. on the other hand there is vanessa who is openly contemptuous (in an interview and at the reunion) of the show, the participants, the city she chooses to live in... need i go on. wendy gives her opponents a lot of credit for their talent. vanessa simply thinks they are all hicks with no experience. every last one.
to me she is the scarier of the two. with wendy you know what your getting, with vanessa, the knife has been sunk to the hilt in your back before you know it.
luvinkpenz
February 18, 2005 - 07:44 AM
I think she made it because the two challenges she "won" her designs were the most boring of all the other designs for that challenge. They weren't the best they were the safest.
snoops
February 18, 2005 - 09:25 AM
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I'd rather face a competitor like Wendy, who makes no pretensions or excuses. Kara is the one I'd fear: she's all sugar-and-spice to your face, and as soon as she turns away, says something vicious and unkind.
Why is that when the other designers, who are now honest and now fully open about their feelings regarding Wendy are called spiteful and jealous, but when Wendy backstabs her designers, she is praised with being honest?
Looking2Cool
February 18, 2005 - 09:25 AM
what would I need to do is I wanted to get in contact w/ Mario & Alexandra?
is there a way I can get ahold of them
please help
ericats
February 18, 2005 - 11:06 AM
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with wendy you know what your getting...
If you read the interview of Austin in the Advocate you will find that the above wasn't the case. Austin states that she was all nicey, nicey to everyone and he didn't know about her strategies until the show aired. From the article I got the feeling that he felt very betrayed by her.
fashionmom
February 18, 2005 - 11:36 AM
Thanks! It's just so much fun. Plus being the frumpy,non-stylish mom that I am now, this message board has given me a new outlet. When it's all over I might have to take up scrapbooking and bunko until my daughter is old enough to play soccer.
GuensMom
February 18, 2005 - 11:41 AM
Austin is 23. He does not yet understand the difference between being politic and authentic. He'll learn, eventually, at the price of giving up some illusions. I just hope he doesn't take too many hits in the process. In the meantime, I wouldn't rely on his take being 100% accurate.
ericats
February 18, 2005 - 11:51 AM
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Austin is 23. He does not yet understand the difference between being politic and authentic. He'll learn, eventually, at the price of giving up some illusions. I just hope he doesn't take too many hits in the process. In the meantime, I wouldn't rely on his take being 100% accurate.
I think that Austin is a very gracious young man. I saw the reunion show on Weds and read the interview on Thurs. On the show he didn't act like he was mad at Wendy so I was surprised when I read the interview how strongly he felt about the way she treated him.
I think that he's really a class act.
Harvest
February 18, 2005 - 12:00 PM
Hello,
I have watched all the episodes but not posted until now. One general comment is that if you do another season of this show, why not make one of the challenges designing for real sized women, not stick-sized girls? Make them show they can make both apple- and pear-shaped women look attractive. That would be an interesting challenge!
I feel one of Wendy's strengths was actually listening to the "clients" during those type of challenges. She also took her lumps without whining or shifting blame during the last episode. (Austin needs to learn that lesson; I see why he didn't make it. Also based on what I know about facial expressions and body language, I think he may have been the one that ruined the photo.)
I think at least once Wendy was set up by the producers to complain about the lack of leadership. Do you remember the time Tim came in and "encouraged" her to speak up?
Wendy was portrayed as a rat, but as in Sue-from-Survivor's famous "rat and snake" speech, I feel it is Kara Saun who is the snake in the grass. I am totally offended by her comments on other people's "souls"; I think she is stuck up and self-righteous. Also remember when she bulldozed all over Kevin when she felt he wasn't exhibiting enough leadership, then she makes the comment that no one should let someone do that? Well then why did she do it? And then Kara Saun's rude behavior flies under the radar while Wendy takes a bullet.
As for the clothes, I don't like either of those women's designs and am rooting for Jay all the way. He may be mean and snarky, but he is very funny and the only one I would consider asking to make clothes for me.
Somuchforthat
February 18, 2005 - 12:47 PM
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I think it's obvious who scribbled on Wendy's daughter's picture. It's Austin. He was enraged when Wendy criticized Kevin on the runway like she criticized Austin. He was upset at losing his friend. He scribbled on the picture.
Think about it. He's usually locquacious, yet when Wendy cried hysterically over her daughter's picture, he sat there quietly, not looking at her--like he was ashamed. Then on the reunion episode, when everybody was pointing the finger at a horrified-looking Kevin, Austin spoke up. He didn't say he did it in plain English, but he said "whoever did" it, did it out of anger and frustration, and he went on to say what sounded like an apology and asked for the subject to be dropped. I'm sure he did it.
Austin not only wasn't "sitting there quietly" during Wendy's meltdown over the picture, he was standing right in front of her, the first (and only) one to approach her during her emotional, accusatory rant. I think you need to revisit that episode and see for yourself.
Further, in the 2055 episode it was Wendy who initiated the the subject of Kevin's leadership to Tim in the workroom, not the other way around. I can only assume the reason it was asked of only Wendy at the runway is because of that. Had that question been asked of, say Jay or Robert, and he'd thrashed Kevin as a leader, that would be one thing. But my tape shows that the designers had concerns about the collection, about the concept, about cohesiveness, about the deadline, and of course about how each one felt about their own work -- but ONLY WENDY made a point of setting Kevin up personally in her confessionals. Then she made a point of having a little private chat with Tim about Kevin. Do go back and review your tapes. Or watch the marathon on Sunday.
And I guess I'm the umpteenth person to refer the newbies posting here to Wendy's own blog (Wendypepper.com) to see her own terribly narcissistic diary on how she intentionally set out to be a covert enemy to one and all, and how she sandbagged Kevin in particular...but you should really check it out.
busilis32
February 18, 2005 - 01:27 PM
I really liked Jay telling Wendy "This is not Survivor." I do not watch reality TV. As I said before, if I want to see people being conniving, backstabbing and self-righteous, I will watch the news. I watched the show because I am interested in fashion, definitions of beauty, and all that other stuff they tend to squeeze the life out of in academia. I think it was challenging and interesting enough (and there was plenty of drama) without Wendy's silliness. There was no need for her nauseating speeches to the camera, and worst of all, she doesn't even make a good villain. She has this martyr complex, so that when she is attacked she either whines and complains or gets vicious. I hope her daughter doesn't see the show where she repeatedly uses the "f word". Way to set an example lady. She was very quick to criticize Kevin for his lack of leadeship, but that was an impossible task he got. No designer would create a collection where everybody would be doing his or her own thing. It would be his/her vision, and everybody else just does what s/he tells them. I wish she would have gotten that assignment. I bet good money she wouldn't have done any better. I would have been happy with Nora, Kevin or Vanessa being in the final three instead of Austin, but not Wendy. And this might be a reality show, but, once again, it is not "Survivor". Can you imagine this kind of behavior in "American Idol"? That show may have its flaws, but it comes down to performing and being consistent, and that's why it is the only other show of this type that I watch.
LWalsh
February 18, 2005 - 02:02 PM
For those of you wondering what Nancy o'dell did to the dress:
http://www.lowculture.com/archives/2005/02...do_you_mea.htmlHum..
missbethg
February 18, 2005 - 02:08 PM
I actually did rewatch the episode recently, and you're right that Austin was standing at first, but it looked like he was he was later sitting on the arm of the couch, so that's probably where I got my impression that he was sitting the whole time.
I am very good at reading body language and people's responses, and whether you like Austin or not (I happen to like him), you have to admit that he was uncharachteristically quiet during Wendy's outburst. Just because someone is likeable doesn't mean that they wouldn't act out of anger against someone unlikeable.
I, also, noticed in my second viewing of the episode that Austin was the only designer not to gather around Wendy's workbench to view the photo.
I don't really think it matters what Wendy did or did not do to Kevin. I'm talking about my theory of who defiled the picture. Kevin would have had the motivation to defile Wendy's daughter's picture, but I don't think he would have thought of doing something like that. He's not the type. He seems rather internalized unlike the flamboyant and boyish Mr. Austin. Austin is the more likely personality to act out between the two.
Don't let your dislike of Wendy and/or your love of Austin cloud you to the fact that he is not perfect. Even though he looks like he's in his thirties because of all that aging make-up and hair product, he's only a young twenty-something, and his onscreen maturity level definitely fluctuates. He is human, and he seemed regretful for his actions. He basically aplogized on the reunion episode.
I'm not the only poster to interpret his body language and actions that way.
drRCC
February 18, 2005 - 02:28 PM
you will also notice on the reunion special that austin was the one to brush away the topic when Heidi was trying to get them to admit who did it. as for kevin, he just wouldnt have the balls to do it. his schizophrenia wouldnt allow it.
Wendy Pepper ROCKS!!! and I would definitely buy her clothes. to judge her design capability on the artificial constraints of the show is unfair.
runwayboi
February 18, 2005 - 02:38 PM
The thing about reality TV shows is that the producers are looking for one thing: ratings! So a person like Wendy who is socially inept and causes so much distress is just the person they're looking for. Thus, she made it to the end becuase they can always count on her for drama. She's an awful designer and is best working for a missy sweater line or soemthing like that. The fact that someone put a mustache on her daughters picture is no ones fault but her own because she managed to alienate and distance herself from everyone not to mention piss them all off. I felt no empathy for her when she cried about the picture because I could see her doing that to someone else and just laughing about it. She hasnt learned one lesson about sportsmanship or interacting positively with other human beings. I feel sorry for her in that respect. The fact that Austin still got to show at fashion week proves to me that producers have a hand in these 'contests'. Survivor producers admitted to re-creating challenges with stunt doubles to get shots they needed and a friend of mine who works for an exclusive hotel in West Hollywood says that the contestants on Big Brother dont actually live in the house - they stay at the hotel and have a 5:30 call to the set so they can get back in bed and 'wake up' for the camera's.
Somuchforthat
February 18, 2005 - 03:07 PM
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I, also, noticed in my second viewing of the episode that Austin was the only designer not to gather around Wendy's workbench to view the photo.
I don't really think it matters what Wendy did or did not do to Kevin. I'm talking about my theory of who defiled the picture. Kevin would have had the motivation to defile Wendy's daughter's picture, but I don't think he would have thought of doing something like that. He's not the type. He seems rather internalized unlike the flamboyant and boyish Mr. Austin. Austin is the more likely personality to act out between the two.
Don't let your dislike of Wendy and/or your love of Austin cloud you to the fact that he is not perfect. Even though he looks like he's in his thirties because of all that aging make-up and hair product, he's only a young twenty-something, and his onscreen maturity level definitely fluctuates. He is human, and he seemed regretful for his actions. He basically aplogized on the reunion episode.
Did I miss an apology from Austin? Where was that? Please tell me.
And while I don't "love" Austin, I do dislike Wendy. Wendy's "Survivor" take on this show was totally her own. Remember in the very first episode when she was trying to be both "mom" and at the same time set up herself and her roomies "Tribe"-like a la Survivor? Something about "let's take care of each other. We can be loyal to 3 but not to 11" or some such. She started that sh*t on Day One!
fashionmom
February 18, 2005 - 03:26 PM
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Wendy was portrayed as a rat, but as in Sue-from-Survivor's famous "rat and snake" speech, I feel it is Kara Saun who is the snake in the grass. I am totally offended by her comments on other people's "souls"; I think she is stuck up and self-righteous. Also remember when she bulldozed all over Kevin when she felt he wasn't exhibiting enough leadership, then she makes the comment that no one should let someone do that? Well then why did she do it? And then Kara Saun's rude behavior flies under the radar while Wendy takes a bullet.
I agree that Kara Saun is arrogant and self-righteous. From the beginning she has given off this attitude that she is better than everyone else and that she, of course, was going to win. I forgot about how she bulldozed Kevin and in retrospect, I also think she may have had self-serving intentions when making the suggestion to Jay to add that hideous material over his already hideous top. Since she is all that as a designer and was really concerned about it she would have told him to ditch the whole thing and rethink the bodice entirely. But seriously, folks, why would you give your competitor helpful advice? And let's not forget her lack of compassion towards Nora when the pattern went missing. I wouldn't be surprised if Kara Saun is the one behind all the evil doing that is taking place on the show. What better way to try to ensure a win than by coming off as this even keeled, concerned, fun loving person while all along sabotaging your competitors one by one. Didn't any of you ever see "The Bad Seed?"
And this is the last thing I have to say about Wendy bashing...if anyone is the evil, irritating, bitter, horrible, ugly "b" word on the show it has always been Vanessa.
alafrancaise
February 18, 2005 - 03:36 PM
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On what basis do you assume this "evidence" to be either slim or distorted? Wendy herself leds credence the people who dislike her as do the other contestants. Is Jay lying?
lk
I don't know if Jay is lying. I don't know Jay. I don't know any more about Jay than I do about Wendy and all I know about any of them is from a rather unreliable source.
The evidence we have about all of these folks is slim because it is a very few moments taken out of hours of footage. It's distorted because it is edited, placed in a dramatic order and accompanied by music that is supposed to make you react to it in certain ways. The main way you are supposed to react is to keep watching and buying the products that are advertized.
Somuchforthat
February 18, 2005 - 03:42 PM
We are all as aware of that as you.
No one, not even L'Oreal or Banana Republic, made Ms. Pepper the "diarhhea of the mouth" champion in the confessionals. She was more than happy to talk, talk, talk about her "strategy" and her opinion of all others. You can't invent footage that didn't occur.
alafrancaise
February 18, 2005 - 03:50 PM
Right, but you can fail to show footage that did occur.
Somuchforthat
February 18, 2005 - 03:56 PM
Again, we know.
The fact that Wendy was the only one who wasn't willing to go "all-in" for the hand-raise on final challenge is telling. Contrast that to the post-outcome "hands-in" where Austin participated even though he was out.
We see enough.
missbethg
February 18, 2005 - 04:04 PM
You're correct that he did not come out and say "I apologize", but he did say whoever did it was not in a good place, that they acted out of anger and frustration, that they did something that wasn't right. He closed by asking that the picture never be spoken of again. He was obviously that someone he was speaking of. He exhibited the classic signs of guilt. If he did not do it and feel guilty for doing, why would he request the subject be dropped?
I really wish when we're discussing this one incident that you wouldn't keep trotting out Wendy's shortcomings, especially since the ones you use don't even relate to what I'm discussing. You're correct that Wendy approached this game using Survivor-like strategy, but what does that have to do with putting together the clues of who defaced her daughter's picture? Nothing.
Puddinhead
February 18, 2005 - 04:08 PM
" I wouldn't be surprised if Kara Saun is the one behind all the evil doing that is taking place on the show. What better way to try to ensure a win than by coming off as this even keeled, concerned, fun loving person while all along sabotaging your competitors one by one. "
Oh! Brilliant! I'm sure you must be right - why else would the producers sprinkle fairy dust all over her each week, while smearing Wendy with dog doodoo. ;D
As far as Wendy's vicious tirade against Kevin... C'mon, people! She said "I don't think he was as strong a leader as he might have been." (I think she's right about that; I'm pretty sure my kitten could kick Kevin's ass around the block) She did NOT say Kevin was stupid, or mean, or even a lousy designer. Yet she's painted as Cruella for having enough backbone to speak the truth... although she was clearly goaded into doing so.
I would love it if next season, the show all the outfits first, without knowing who designed them. I wonder if we'd all feel differently about our "favorite" designers...
alafrancaise
February 18, 2005 - 04:11 PM
You see enough for what? To make accurate judgments about the characters in the show. Yes, you have correctly identified "Wendy" as the villain. Congratulations.
What I am saying is that we don't have enough or reliable enough information to draw conclusions about the people behind the characters. That there is a lot of Wendy that you don't see in "Wendy" and Jay that you don't see in "Jay," etc. And if I felt compelled initially to participate in this discussion it was because people (and I don't mean you necessarily, I haven't kept track of who has said what) were being really harsh and a little bit scary about it.
I apologize for being a little snarky here, and I think this had better be my last post.
I have really appreciated the tone of this board which, for the most part, has been very respectful.
Bisous,
Susan
ericats
February 18, 2005 - 04:29 PM
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I think this had better be my last post.
Sorry to see you go, I always enjoyed reading your posts. You were always respectful of other peoples' opinions.
Au revoir!
megtran
February 18, 2005 - 04:39 PM
has anyone seen the final version of nancy odells dress?
i'm curious how they changed it.
i'd love to see just one photo!
to be honest i thought the dress was cute and although austin is very talented, his dress seemed way to formal and fancy for the grammys.
wendy fits into the fashion world 100%, they love bitchy people!
ericats
February 18, 2005 - 04:43 PM
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As far as Wendy's vicious tirade against Kevin... C'mon, people! She said "I don't think he was as strong a leader as he might have been." (I think she's right about that; I'm pretty sure my kitten could kick Kevin's ass around the block) She did NOT say Kevin was stupid, or mean, or even a lousy designer. Yet she's painted as Cruella for having enough backbone to speak the truth... although she was clearly goaded into doing so.
Two reasons why I think that people are mad about Kevingate:
1. On her website she doesn't say, "I don't think he was as strong a leader as he might have been." she says, "I saw a weakness in Kevin and I decided to exploit it." and "I had to resort to trashing Kevin instead of making it though on my own merits."
2. She didn't tell Kevin her concerns about his leadership before she told the judges that he wasn't very good. He says that he went around to each designer several times so she had a chance to tell him what was working for her and what wasn't.
Ha, ha! My kitten (actually she is 5 but she's still small like a kitten and acts like one so I always think of her as one) could kick most peoples' ass around the block. She looks so sweet and innocent (she has so many people fooled)but she is vicious!
lisakaz
February 18, 2005 - 04:44 PM
You have an idea who did the photo defacement?
I don't buy that Austin did it. He seemed dismissive of the event, but it might be for reasons we don't know. It seems he thought the whole thing was petty. If Bravo had more info, I blame them for not disclosing it.
lk
lisakaz
February 18, 2005 - 04:46 PM
Read the Advocate interview. Austin thought the contestants were fairly represented and that the Kevin episode with Wendy was "pure evil."
lk
Somuchforthat
February 18, 2005 - 04:47 PM
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You're correct that he did not come out and say "I apologize"
But you said he did. Spin it all you like, you jumped to a huge conclusion.
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I really wish when we're discussing this one incident that you wouldn't keep trotting out Wendy's shortcomings, especially since the ones you use don't even relate to what I'm discussing. You're correct that Wendy approached this game using Survivor-like strategy, but what does that have to do with putting together the clues of who defaced her daughter's picture? Nothing.
"The case of the defaced photo" has been discussed for two weeks, and there are dozens if not hundreds of posts on it. Welcome to the board, but you're not likely to have much luck in controlling the dialogue. I discussed the photo incident in my reply to you. You want to talk about anything else? Join in. If not, not, but please do not tell me whether I can include additional thoughts in my replies.
luvinkpenz
February 18, 2005 - 04:50 PM
AUSTIN WAS MOST LIKEY TIRED OF THE SUBJECT. I AM SURE HE WAS ASKED 10,000 TIMES WHO DREW THE MUSTACHE. BESDES AUSTIN WOULD HAVE DRAWN A CAVRAT AND HAT TOO.
Somuchforthat
February 18, 2005 - 04:59 PM
missbethg
February 18, 2005 - 05:26 PM
I'm just really tired of people in general taking any mention of the name Wendy as an opportunity to go off on angry tangents about her. I might leave the board because it. It really brings the level of discourse down here. I know Wendy pushes people's buttons, but so many people are taking angry, adversarial stances against anyone they suspect is pro-Wendy or won't come down hard against Wendy. I'm not really interested in that.
Somuchforthat
February 18, 2005 - 05:39 PM
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I'm just really tired of people in general taking any mention of the name Wendy as an opportunity to go off on angry tangents about her. I might leave the board because it. It really brings the level of discourse down here. I know Wendy pushes people's buttons, but so many people are taking angry, adversarial stances against anyone they suspect is pro-Wendy or won't come down hard against Wendy. I'm not really interested in that.
Okay, but what made you unequivocally state that not only was Austin guilty of the photo defacement, but that in your judgment, he said so and apologized? It had no basis in fact. But you approached it as though you were quite certain, based upon your personal interpretation of body language.
There are lots of others who believe that Kevin's non-confrontational demeanor (averted eyes, nothing to say) are evidence of HIS guilt. My personal belief is that none of the designers did it. If it wasn't Morgan, it was a prodcution staff member. I don't think the only footage of Kevin (or anyone) cleaning up a workspace is what we saw. One would hope that the producers might anticipate a little payback after setting up the drama as they did, and never leave a designer off-camera in that room. But Morgan might have had access, and just enough wicked insanity to do the deed. Otherwise, maybe they should polygraph the Bravo shoot staff.
That's MY take on it.
snoops
February 18, 2005 - 08:31 PM
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I really liked Jay telling Wendy "This is not Survivor." I do not watch reality TV. As I said before, if I want to see people being conniving, backstabbing and self-righteous, I will watch the news. I watched the show because I am interested in fashion, definitions of beauty, and all that other stuff they tend to squeeze the life out of in academia. I think it was challenging and interesting enough (and there was plenty of drama) without Wendy's silliness. There was no need for her nauseating speeches to the camera, and worst of all, she doesn't even make a good villain. She has this martyr complex, so that when she is attacked she either whines and complains or gets vicious. I hope her daughter doesn't see the show where she repeatedly uses the "f word". Way to set an example lady. She was very quick to criticize Kevin for his lack of leadeship, but that was an impossible task he got. No designer would create a collection where everybody would be doing his or her own thing. It would be his/her vision, and everybody else just does what s/he tells them. I wish she would have gotten that assignment. I bet good money she wouldn't have done any better. I would have been happy with Nora, Kevin or Vanessa being in the final three instead of Austin, but not Wendy. And this might be a reality show, but, once again, it is not "Survivor". Can you imagine this kind of behavior in "American Idol"? That show may have its flaws, but it comes down to performing and being consistent, and that's why it is the only other show of this type that I watch.
So on point! Too true! The martyr complex is the most interesting thing about Wendy, and if you ever go to her site, she has no concept of herself in this light.
You know a lot of posters are in academia I've noticed!
snoops
February 18, 2005 - 08:41 PM
I know. I hate talking about the damn moustache incident too, but something has been creeping me out about this. Did you guys see how quick to accuse someone Heidi and Tim were on the reunion show?
If it was a crew member, does Heidi, as EXECUTIVE PRODUCER, not know who drew the line, or were they purposely egging on a designer to falsely confess? The whole Q and A session around the moustache incident seemed so disingenuous and I was appalled at Tim and Heidi. Can you imagine if they were on a real jury? The accused would have been strung up and hung out to dry!
snoops
February 18, 2005 - 08:45 PM
oh, let me re-phrase this differently. How did Heidi or Tim know it was one of the other designers? And, I had wished one of the designers had asked that question back to Tim and Heidi, especially after Heidi's lame "be a grown-up and confess!" It just seemed too much like jumping to conclusions.
ericats
February 18, 2005 - 08:52 PM
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I know. I hate talking about the damn moustache incident too, but something has been creeping me out about this. Did you guys see how quick to accuse someone Heidi and Tim were on the reunion show?
If it was a crew member, does Heidi, as EXECUTIVE PRODUCER, not know who drew the line, or were they purposely egging on a designer to falsely confess? The whole Q and A session around the moustache incident seemed so disingenuous and I was appalled at Tim and Heidi. Can you imagine if they were on a real jury? The accused would have been strung up and hung out to dry!
I was surprised when Tim said to Kevin, "you were in the workroom alone" yeah, he was alone with the camera crew. I find it funny that the camera crew filmed Kevin writing on Jay's desk but for some reason they didn't film Kevin switch from a light blue grease pen to a black marker, walk over to Wendy's desk, and draw on the picture. Also, Kevin must have blackmailed all of the witnesses in the room in order to keep their mouths shut.
wandaful
February 18, 2005 - 08:53 PM
Just adding my two cents' worth about the Wendy/Kevin thing. I feel Wendy was picked to comment because the producers wanted a reason to get rid of Kevin and they knew Wendy would say something bad about him. However, in this instance, I agree with her assessment. Kevin could have been a much better leader, he could have stuck with the "pod" idea and "led" the others to complete it. It sure would have been more interesting than what was actually done, a mishmash of unrelated designs. This is the first reality show I have watched and I've got to say I'm hooked. I'm not looking foward to the finale.
This is my first post and I am really enjoying all the comments.
ericats
February 18, 2005 - 08:58 PM
Welcome to the Board. How come you are not looking forward to the final?
auntdd
February 18, 2005 - 09:06 PM
I love Wendy!! At least this woman has the sense in her head to listen, watch and learn. She is up front with who she is.
I attended one of the major NYC schools for design and was totally turned off by the people I met in both the Interior Design and Fashion departments. They had the same false modesty and fake kissy-kissy friendship Austin, Kara and Jay exhibit in the show. Don’t think Kara wouldn’t stab the gentlemen in the back if she had to in order to get to the top.
I marvel as to how the designers on the program do not know how to listen to their clients or receive constructive criticism from the judges. Good fashion is an art form but you need to know how to be a good seamstress as well as construction and anatomy. Form and function need to coexist if you are successful in the market. Wendy seems to be the only designer who seems to grasp these ideas. Talent is not enough in the design field.
Wendy I hope you win!!
Good Luck, DD
Somuchforthat
February 18, 2005 - 10:41 PM
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Just adding my two cents' worth about the Wendy/Kevin thing. I feel Wendy was picked to comment because the producers wanted a reason to get rid of Kevin and they knew Wendy would say something bad about him. However, in this instance, I agree with her assessment. Kevin could have been a much better leader, he could have stuck with the "pod" idea and "led" the others to complete it. It sure would have been more interesting than what was actually done, a mishmash of unrelated designs. This is the first reality show I have watched and I've got to say I'm hooked. I'm not looking foward to the finale.
This is my first post and I am really enjoying all the comments.
Wendy took it on herself to discuss Kevin's leadership with Tim in the work room. In fact she spent quite a lot of her audio-video time criticizing Kevin. Wendy also took in on herself to comment in her confessional that she was cozying up to Kevin as a tactic, and Wendy also distanced herself from any "groupthink" about solidifying the collection and instead sat apart and laughed at them. This too was recorded in her confessional. In fact she referred to the other designers, working together, as "yahoos." She found the whole groupthink idea to be hysterically laughable.
And then felt so isolated after the runway show, because no one joined her in thrashing Kevin, that she CRIED?
Please! Woman, if you're gonna play that sh*t, you better OWN it. Like, you know, a grownup.
SterlingRose57
February 18, 2005 - 10:48 PM
The site is nicely designed and easy to navigate. The show totally rocks. I happened upon it channel surfing. As a graphic and jewelry designer who has dabled in fashion and music and collects all things beautiful (Oh eBay!!), I was hooked! How cool was it to see Michael Kors and Betsey Johnson on the show!!! The challenges were very creative and interesting as well--a dress from grocery store products? Futuristic garments from a vintage store? Wow. This is an inspiring and creative outlet for designers who otherwise might not have the opportunity to be seen on a wide scale. Not only the show but this site is a great venue for designers. Everyone has a chance to exchange ideas and everyone has a chance to realize their dreams--just takes the fours D's: Drive, Determination, Dedication and Discipline! Kudos to Heidi, Tim and Bravo! I look forward to the finale and next season.
SUGGESTION: Why not auction off some of the designs from the show on eBay for tsunami relief fund?
Godiva
February 18, 2005 - 10:51 PM
Kevin lacked leadership. It's not enough to just tell people "come to me if you have any questions". You have to supervise, as distasteful as that might be. You have to periodically go around and look at what they're doing and exchange words. He just let everyone do as they pleased and the result was not cohesive.
Of course if I were in his place I also would have been eliminated. Because *I* would have let all of the others do the designs and I would have set myself the job of doing the "pods" for everyone just to make sure they got done. So I would not have had a design of my own but just supported everyone else. Given the timeframe, that's what should have been done.
It's interesting that on that episode Nina said "better no deconstruction that bad deconstruction" but what happened. "No deconstruction" was voted off and "bad deconstruction" remained. And the following week, even though Wendy had function and no fashion, they choose to eliminate fashion because it wasn't functional enough. I would have eliminated Wendy instead of Kevin. I would have eliminated Wendy instead of Robert.
One last comment. I thought the Wendy/Vanessa dynamic was interesting. Wendy was looking to "make friends" with Vanessa and it looks like birds of a feather found each other. I thought the reunion ep showed Vanessa to be every bit as nasty as Wendy.
lisakaz
February 18, 2005 - 11:36 PM
LOL. Yes, a cravat. Very Oscar Wilde.
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