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This seemed to be a rather dispassionate episode. Carson must know this family or have some dealings with them via the horse thing or something. Scott seemed uninterested and not even close to nice to Jessica and their new baby. What was the point of getting the 5 down there to help? he didn't seem to take advantage of any of the help--how about this for a wacky idea? get some worthy recipients of all of this great help--ever think of that one producers? It seems to me that about 1 in 4 are indeed grateful.
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For what it's worth, Jai gave a talk at a home show and talked about shooting the Dallas eps, and he said the guy was a complete jerk and they (Fab Five) all hated him by the end (He didn't mention him by name; he said a Dallas MB with a much younger girlfriend and a baby daughter). He said it was a trial for them because he wasn't into it and was resistant to them and the whole experience. I can't remember the details, but one thing he said was that they bought him a necklace to give to his girlfriend, and he wouldn't give it to her and was being horrible to her, and the producers had to take him aside and tell him he was coming across on camera as a real jerk, to force him to make nice.
I haven't seen the episode so I have no idea what happened or how he did come across, and of course that's just one person's opinion. But for Jai to say, "we hated him," he must have acted pretty badly at some point.
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For what it's worth, Jai gave a talk at a home show and talked about shooting the Dallas eps, and he said the guy was a complete jerk and they (Fab Five) all hated him by the end (He didn't mention him by name; he said a Dallas MB with a much younger girlfriend and a baby daughter). He said it was a trial for them because he wasn't into it and was resistant to them and the whole experience. I can't remember the details, but one thing he said was that they bought him a necklace to give to his girlfriend, and he wouldn't give it to her and was being horrible to her, and the producers had to take him aside and tell him he was coming across on camera as a real jerk, to force him to make nice.
I haven't seen the episode so I have no idea what happened or how he did come across, and of course that's just one person's opinion. But for Jai to say, "we hated him," he must have acted pretty badly at some point.
Ack! Naomi.. really?? I am inclined to believe Jai, but.. from the episode that I watched - Scott seemed like a decent guy.
I wonder if it was clever editing, or if it was a "culture clash" between touchy-feely city guys and a more reserved country guy?
The major dispute seemed over the 'party' clothes, and in all fairness, Carson's choices were very stylish and not at all suitable to a family barbecue! You don't upstage your wife like that. Hell, you don't upstage your Mom!
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Maybe the Fab 5 were just so aghast that he would let his wife and infant live in such a ramshackle house with pests and mold! In most families, the wife and baby at least would be staying at the main farmhouse until he could fix the place up and get the baby a decent and safe bed!
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Past family trouble was hinted at.. but the future looked promising! I don't want to believe Scott treated Jessica badly, but I can see that she might have been disappointed that he did not have a better set up for her and the infant, and that may have caused some tension.. But Jessica seemed willing to cope.. Argh.. I'm confused!
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I wonder who contacted the show about them? And I did notice that Scott seemed uncomfortable about giving the necklace, sort of shifting the credit mostly to the Fab 5. I took it as awkwardness because jewelry is personal and he did not pick this out or pay for it.. But I also remember how awed he was at Thoms renovation and decorating of the little house and how he later said that the house was more Jessicas or for Jessica. He was awkward, but seemed like a real nice guy. Quiet. The kind of guy I appreciate and have!
Except ~ much taller and older! So I am so confused!
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The problem wasn't with the horseman, but as usual, with Carson's inflated ego. This episode has proven what I have always thought, that Carson is not the epitome of style that he is portrayed as being. Removing him from the security his New York/Gay Gehtto mentality readily illustrates the extreme limits of his fashion sense. He never considers the person or their personality when he "selects" new clothing, but clings to his own narrow field of knowledge, forceing an individual into clothing that said indivdual would never wear . The problem with Carson is that he has a fashion sense dictated by magazines, and a fear of ageing, and not a sense of style. Fashion is a fad, style is classic.
Rather than be offended I was extremely pleased that someone finally refused to bend to Carson's condension and limited fashion sense. In fact, it was apparent that this current Carson victim, a well rounded and intelligent man, treated Carson with more respect than Carson treated him. This man's body language screamed that he was uncomfortable in what he was being forced to wear but as usual, Carson was too busy playing fashion diva to pay any attention.
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The problem wasn't with the horseman, but as usual, with Carson's inflated ego. This episode has proven what I have always thought, that Carson is not the epitome of style that he is portrayed as being. Removing him from the security his New York/Gay Gehtto mentality readily illustrates the extreme limits of his fashion sense. He never considers the person or their personality when he "selects" new clothing, but clings to his own narrow field of knowledge, forceing an individual into clothing that said indivdual would never wear . The problem with Carson is that he has a fashion sense dictated by magazines, and a fear of ageing, and not a sense of style. Fashion is a fad, style is classic.
Rather than be offended I was extremely pleased that someone finally refused to bend to Carson's condension and limited fashion sense. In fact, it was apparent that this current Carson victim, a well rounded and intelligent man, treated Carson with more respect than Carson treated him. This man's body language screamed that he was uncomfortable in what he was being forced to wear but as usual, Carson was too busy playing fashion diva to pay any attention.
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Wow, what an entrance! Ummm....uh....welcome to the boards. You have a right to your opinion, of course, but I have a feelin' "them's fightin' words!"....so I think I'll step quietyly out of the way and see if I can find my safety goggles before notey reads this and the fur starts flyin'.
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The problem wasn't with the horseman, but as usual, with Carson's inflated ego. This episode has proven what I have always thought, that Carson is not the epitome of style that he is portrayed as being. Removing him from the security his New York/Gay Gehtto mentality readily illustrates the extreme limits of his fashion sense. He never considers the person or their personality when he "selects" new clothing, but clings to his own narrow field of knowledge, forceing an individual into clothing that said indivdual would never wear . The problem with Carson is that he has a fashion sense dictated by magazines, and a fear of ageing, and not a sense of style. Fashion is a fad, style is classic.
Rather than be offended I was extremely pleased that someone finally refused to bend to Carson's condension and limited fashion sense. In fact, it was apparent that this current Carson victim, a well rounded and intelligent man, treated Carson with more respect than Carson treated him. This man's body language screamed that he was uncomfortable in what he was being forced to wear but as usual, Carson was too busy playing fashion diva to pay any attention.
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but I must say that I disagree with everything you've said! I'd be interested in knowing if you've ever seen any other episodes of the show, because then you'd see that the vast majority of the straight guys love the clothes that Carson picks for them. Several of the straight guys post on this forum, and I'm sure they'd tell you that Carson is very knowledgable and not at all condescending. I've watched this show since its debut and I've never gotten a disrespectful vibe from him.
I haven't seen this ep, but from my understanding, Scott had an opportunity to voice his opinion on Carson's choices, and he said he liked them. If he didn't like them, he should have said so, in which case Carson would have simply found something else to dress him in. There have been serveral striaght guys on past eps who have voiced their dislike of a certain choice of clothing in a respectful manner, and Carson has always listened to them without making a fuss. I admire that kind of professionalism. I have to wonder if you were just waiting for the opportunity to troll on this board with opinions you would have had no matter how Scott or any other straight guy reacted to the clothes. I'll probably always be wondering, since I highly doubt you'll be returning to this board to defend your post.
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Scott did rectify the situation by not wearing clothing that he did not feel comfortable in. Much is made of the assumption that simply because a person is asked for their opinion that they feel free to express it. Given the structure of the show, and the fact that it is viewed by millions of people it would take a person of firm will to express thier opinion if their opinion is negative. Expressing a negative opinion on air, could be make the person appear ungrateful and resistent. The easiest way to tell if a persons opinion is honest, look at their eyes and their body language. Scotts eyes and body language said it all.
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Scott did rectify the situation by not wearing clothing that he did not feel comfortable in. Much is made of the assumption that simply because a person is asked for their opinion that they feel free to express it. Given the structure of the show, and the fact that it is viewed by millions of people it would take a person of firm will to express thier opinion if their opinion is negative. Expressing a negative opinion on air, could be make the person appear ungrateful and resistent. The easiest way to tell if a persons opinion is honest, look at their eyes and their body language. Scotts eyes and body language said it all.
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The armadillo smoker made me think of the Steel Magnolias line about the groom's cake. "People are going to be hacking into this poor animal that looks like it's bleeding to death!"
I got the feeling that the SG's main reason for doing the show was the new house, but at least it was a nice place for the girlfriend and baby to come home to. And Grandma Tinker was awesome, which all of the guys seemed to appreciate. I loved Grandma Tinker.
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Because I'm ancient, I was also reminded of the BBQ scene in the movie "Giant" (James Dean, Rock Hudson) in which Elizabeth Taylor's character faints because the're cooking the head of some animal.....a cow?.....whatever. I guess if I were in Texas, I'd be over at the salad bar with raindog.
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Because I'm ancient, I was also reminded of the BBQ scene in the movie "Giant" (James Dean, Rock Hudson) in which Elizabeth Taylor's character faints because the're cooking the head of some animal.....a cow?.....whatever. I guess if I were in Texas, I'd be over at the salad bar with raindog.
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Because I'm ancient, I was also reminded of the BBQ scene in the movie "Giant" (James Dean, Rock Hudson) in which Elizabeth Taylor's character faints because the're cooking the head of some animal.....a cow?.....whatever. I guess if I were in Texas, I'd be over at the salad bar with raindog.
*Midnite Blue joins Raindog and Tomasulo over at the salad bar*
I'm an animal lover, and I don't eat red or white meat. Something tells me I'm gonna faint when I see finally see this ep and the roasted pig. And the acupuncture? Yikes, I hate needles too. Come to think of it, maybe it's better if I don't this this ep!
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Because I'm ancient, I was also reminded of the BBQ scene in the movie "Giant" (James Dean, Rock Hudson) in which Elizabeth Taylor's character faints because the're cooking the head of some animal.....a cow?.....whatever. I guess if I were in Texas, I'd be over at the salad bar with raindog.
*Midnite Blue joins Raindog and Tomasulo over at the salad bar*
I'm an animal lover, and I don't eat red or white meat. Something tells me I'm gonna faint when I see finally see this ep and the roasted pig. And the acupuncture? Yikes, I hate needles too. Come to think of it, maybe it's better if I don't this this ep!
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I'm new to this board, but I've been a fan of the Fab5 since the first episode. I do not think Carson over-reacted to Scott not wearing what he had chosen, but I don't think he seriously thought Scott was dissing him, either. It was more like Carson's wit to me. As a true Texan, I know a lot of guys like Scott. Much more comfortable in their own skin than what others think they should be or wear. While he may have agreed with what Carson chose for him, it may have been just good ole manners about accepting gifts. Also, remember that he and his family rode their horses at the end. I'm sure purely for the television audience sake. Perhaps he chose his old jeans because he knew they were going to ride and they were a more comfortable fit. As a rider I have to tell you that nothing chafes more than uncomfortable jeans. Ouch! But I couldn't understand the wagon wheel table (I literaly groaned "that's too cliche" to my husband) and the glass coffee table. Both of them glass. And with an infant? Not only dangerous, but what a pain to keep clean and unscratched. Frankly neither Scott nor Jessica seem like cleaning is their priority. Remember the refrigerator? OH, and you must watch "Giant". Just keep in mind that not all of Texas looks like that and not all Texans act like that. But we do cook hogs and goats in pits in the ground, but in all my life I've yet to see anyone eat the brains. This happens in the movie. Still a fan of the Fab5 and can't wait for new episodes.
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I love the show and watch all the time. Fun to see them doing Texas!
Does anyone know the name of the furniture store where they shopped for Scott's house?
Thanks!
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I'm new to this board, but I've been a fan of the Fab5 since the first episode. I do not think Carson over-reacted to Scott not wearing what he had chosen, but I don't think he seriously thought Scott was dissing him, either. It was more like Carson's wit to me.
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As a true Texan, I know a lot of guys like Scott. Much more comfortable in their own skin than what others think they should be or wear. While he may have agreed with what Carson chose for him, it may have been just good ole manners about accepting gifts. Also, remember that he and his family rode their horses at the end. I'm sure purely for the television audience sake. Perhaps he chose his old jeans because he knew they were going to ride and they were a more comfortable fit. As a rider I have to tell you that nothing chafes more than uncomfortable jeans. Ouch!
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But I couldn't understand the wagon wheel table (I literaly groaned "that's too cliche" to my husband) and the glass coffee table. Both of them glass. And with an infant? Not only dangerous, but what a pain to keep clean and unscratched. Frankly neither Scott nor Jessica seem like cleaning is their priority. Remember the refrigerator?
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OH, and you must watch "Giant". Just keep in mind that not all of Texas looks like that and not all Texans act like that. But we do cook hogs and goats in pits in the ground, but in all my life I've yet to see anyone eat the brains. This happens in the movie. Still a fan of the Fab5 and can't wait for new episodes.
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I agree that for a Texan, the wagon wheel table must have looked cliched.. but to me in Massachusetts, it looked sort of exotic. And Scott's little house is about the size of a boathouse around here, and many of them are converted into little guesthouses with a nautical theme..