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Scott is home on the range but a complete stranger to the range top. But how did you like his transformation?
bitteM
This seemed to be a rather dispassionate episode. Carson must know this family or have some dealings with them via the horse thing or something. Scott seemed uninterested and not even close to nice to Jessica and their new baby. What was the point of getting the 5 down there to help? he didn't seem to take advantage of any of the help--how about this for a wacky idea? get some worthy recipients of all of this great help--ever think of that one producers? It seems to me that about 1 in 4 are indeed grateful.
Fab5Girl
I agree with most of your thoughts. I'm usually not a cynical person, but I think maybe the only reason Scott signed up to be on the show (if he did sign up) was so he could get a free home makeover since he didn't seem to care about anything else. I don't think Carson already knew the family, he just felt connected because of the horse thing, but I could be wrong. I thought it was very disrespectful of Scott not to wear any of the outfits Carson wanted him to, especially since they looked so great. Carson made a point to ask him at the store if he liked the clothes and he said he did, but after seeing how Scott didn't wear them, I think he was just humoring Carson. I know there have been straight guys in the past who haven't always taken Carson's advice 100%, but I don't remember seeing one who straight-up ignored it like Scott did. I wouldn't blame the producers for Scott's ungratefulness, they can't predict how the straight guys are going to act after the make-betters. Scott was polite, but he definitely wasn't an emotional guy. Anyway, I loved seeing the Fab 5 riding horses. I'm not a vegetarian, but I still didn't like seeing that whole cooked pig. Eww. But LOL at Ted's reaction to it when Kyan asked him if that was right.
notevayas
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This seemed to be a rather dispassionate episode. Carson must know this family or have some dealings with them via the horse thing or something. Scott seemed uninterested and not even close to nice to Jessica and their new baby. What was the point of getting the 5 down there to help? he didn't seem to take advantage of any of the help--how about this for a wacky idea? get some worthy recipients of all of this great help--ever think of that one producers? It seems to me that about 1 in 4 are indeed grateful.



If by "dispassionate" you mean calm, yes, Scott was very masculine and calm. But I think it is unfair to say that his thanks to the Fab 5 was not genuine just because he did not jump up and down and get all dramatic! Scott and Jessica seem not the type to get all personal in front of cameras, but they really seemed to understand one another. Two people who can sit on the porch for hours in quiet companionship are compatible!
As far as his love for baby Kate, Scott told Thom that if all Thom had done was make better the nursery, that would have been fine. Thom told him he was a good father!

Scott was so right in not wearing Carson's very expensive stylish clothes to the barbecue... (I may not be straight, but I would never have gone to a family event better dressed than my sisters, nevermind a wife!) Scott did the decent thing and gave her the gaudy belt and let her be the one in the family to wear the jewelry! And he did wear the expensive boots and jacket!

I think Scott was a great sport to go along with the show for his wife and child's benefit! You know he is going to get razzed a bit with all the innuendo Carson was making.. but he was very stoic and good natured through it all! As was obvious at the party, this guy is not a social butterfly and he has some rough history with his family to overcome. I am glad that the Fab Five gave his family a new start!
There were many fun bits in this episode, especially the riding at the end that Carson explained as equestrian ballet? There was a funny part in the middle, when Carson was wading in the Mall fountain. It reminded me of 2 years ago when he was making the pilot episode in Boston and was asked to leave the Copley Mall for the same reason! He's come a long way baby!

notevayas
cats4
You summarized this episode right....there are many things we do not know about Scott....his lady and daughter appeared to be happy. Both are more comfortable around horses than people and like the quite peaceful life....
notevayas
Thank you cats4! Where is everyone? I left out so much! I will add that I loved Ted taking Scott to the butchers. When I saw the pig on the spit, I thought about the-not-so-straight-guy Wayne, and how he would freak to see where his hot dogs came from.. When the camera showed the half-eaten carcass, I thought Yaaay for these honest Texan people! And yaaay for Ted for his yummy cole slaw. I make my own cole slaw in the summer so that I can cut the mayo in half. It's healthier, and it's like a delish scoopable salad/dessert! Very refreshing!

Talk about honesty and bravery.. Scott was good to let us experience the acupuncture treatment with him. When he was describing his riding accident and injury so calmly, I was tearing up a bit. It must have taken months and months of painful physical therapy to come back from that! And then I half panicked thinking about what could have happened to Carson's beautiful legs! It's good to know that he knows how to fall safely! And the acupuncture on the horse to relieve her discomfort during pregnancy was very kind!

Oh, there are many more highlights to this show. The artistic furniture that Thom used! And while Jai's advice did not really 'stick', we had a happy ending. I still wanted to see the Fab 5 riding into the sunset.. cliched I know..

notevayas
tszuj-it
For what it's worth, Jai gave a talk at a home show and talked about shooting the Dallas eps, and he said the guy was a complete jerk and they (Fab Five) all hated him by the end (He didn't mention him by name; he said a Dallas MB with a much younger girlfriend and a baby daughter). He said it was a trial for them because he wasn't into it and was resistant to them and the whole experience. I can't remember the details, but one thing he said was that they bought him a necklace to give to his girlfriend, and he wouldn't give it to her and was being horrible to her, and the producers had to take him aside and tell him he was coming across on camera as a real jerk, to force him to make nice.

I haven't seen the episode so I have no idea what happened or how he did come across, and of course that's just one person's opinion. But for Jai to say, "we hated him," he must have acted pretty badly at some point.
design_daddy
Hi TTB
THOMY was so funny, laughing, carrying and swaying with Jessica and Scott's baby.
*laughing w/ Jai(the horse photo on the wall)

*close up image of THOMY and the baby's face

*naughty THOMY called the female horse-this wasn't bleeped out was it???

*when he put silver shiny decoration strand around Carson's neck

*the tan feather band around his forhead

*when he said to the baby..."bye little baby....bye"

*WHO SAID: "is THOM a stud"???

*laughing in the van w/ Scott and Carson

*"thanks grandma for driving so slow...."

*tumble over"

*his little jump scene in front of the house

*"sheriff in this town"

*Geeze Ted. you reall got...."

*(back at the loft) Jai knods at THOM

*"there goes Christmas bonus..."

*"camera is going to good use"

*"old house and new tricks" and laughs

What can the THOMY fans say about the baby's room?
notevayas
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For what it's worth, Jai gave a talk at a home show and talked about shooting the Dallas eps, and he said the guy was a complete jerk and they (Fab Five) all hated him by the end (He didn't mention him by name; he said a Dallas MB with a much younger girlfriend and a baby daughter). He said it was a trial for them because he wasn't into it and was resistant to them and the whole experience. I can't remember the details, but one thing he said was that they bought him a necklace to give to his girlfriend, and he wouldn't give it to her and was being horrible to her, and the producers had to take him aside and tell him he was coming across on camera as a real jerk, to force him to make nice.

I haven't seen the episode so I have no idea what happened or how he did come across, and of course that's just one person's opinion. But for Jai to say, "we hated him," he must have acted pretty badly at some point.



Ack! Naomi.. really?? I am inclined to believe Jai, but.. from the episode that I watched - Scott seemed like a decent guy.
I wonder if it was clever editing, or if it was a "culture clash" between touchy-feely city guys and a more reserved country guy?
The major dispute seemed over the 'party' clothes, and in all fairness, Carson's choices were very stylish and not at all suitable to a family barbecue! You don't upstage your wife like that. Hell, you don't upstage your Mom!
Maybe the Fab 5 were just so aghast that he would let his wife and infant live in such a ramshackle house with pests and mold! In most families, the wife and baby at least would be staying at the main farmhouse until he could fix the place up and get the baby a decent and safe bed!

Past family trouble was hinted at.. but the future looked promising! I don't want to believe Scott treated Jessica badly, but I can see that she might have been disappointed that he did not have a better set up for her and the infant, and that may have caused some tension.. But Jessica seemed willing to cope.. Argh.. I'm confused!
I wonder who contacted the show about them? And I did notice that Scott seemed uncomfortable about giving the necklace, sort of shifting the credit mostly to the Fab 5. I took it as awkwardness because jewelry is personal and he did not pick this out or pay for it.. But I also remember how awed he was at Thoms renovation and decorating of the little house and how he later said that the house was more Jessicas or for Jessica. He was awkward, but seemed like a real nice guy. Quiet. The kind of guy I appreciate and have!
Except ~ much taller and older! So I am so confused!

notevayas
design_daddy
What were some of your fave Carson moments from this eppy?
tomasulo
I'm wondering if it's possible that Jai's opinion of Scott was colored by his own bad Dallas experience.....remember Jai had a brief relationship while in Texas that ended badly. Or he could be dead on and we saw several good things about Scott due to editing. I agree with notey that Scott came off as a good guy when he said the nursery make-over was the best part of the experience. Also, even though Scott dissed Carson on the fashion part, Kyan really nailed it when he said that's kind of a cowboy trait........an "aw shucks, don't make no fuss over me!" kind of thing. I'm in California but I've done a lot of country dancing in "cowboy" bars and it's pretty common here. I'm sure it's even more so in Texas.

Okay...let's move on to the REALLY important things.....Thom in the baseball cap (made me salivate a bit imagining we will see more of that when we get to the Red Sox episode!). Thom holding that adorable baby. The way Ted was looking at Thom in the scene where the baby is falling asleep in Thom's arms. Although they gave Scott a Stetson, I think Kyan and Thom were wearing Charlie One Horse cowboy hats.....that's the same kind I wear! (It's not really about you, Tomasulo....could you get back to the Fab 5, please!?!) I thought the wagon wheel table was a little corny (remember the scene in "When Harry Met Sally" where sort of the same kind of table is referred to as "the Roy Rogers garage sale wagon wheel coffee table"!), but it did fit the decor and the locale. I loved the chairs though. The Pergo floor is great....one small issue for me though. I had Pergo until a water pipe broke in my kitchen and flooded several rooms. The Pergo died that day.....apparently it can survive everything except drowning . Now I have a stone tile floor. (Tomasulo...again with the boring personal tidbits! Didn't we talk about this!?) Okay, I'll give someone else a chance now....but I'll be back!
design_daddy
THOMY looked so cutte in that baseball cap. He knows how to cuddle a sleeping baby for sure.
He is a genius in many ways!
KCee
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For what it's worth, Jai gave a talk at a home show and talked about shooting the Dallas eps, and he said the guy was a complete jerk and they (Fab Five) all hated him by the end (He didn't mention him by name; he said a Dallas MB with a much younger girlfriend and a baby daughter). He said it was a trial for them because he wasn't into it and was resistant to them and the whole experience. I can't remember the details, but one thing he said was that they bought him a necklace to give to his girlfriend, and he wouldn't give it to her and was being horrible to her, and the producers had to take him aside and tell him he was coming across on camera as a real jerk, to force him to make nice.

I haven't seen the episode so I have no idea what happened or how he did come across, and of course that's just one person's opinion. But for Jai to say, "we hated him," he must have acted pretty badly at some point.



Ack! Naomi.. really?? I am inclined to believe Jai, but.. from the episode that I watched - Scott seemed like a decent guy.
I wonder if it was clever editing, or if it was a "culture clash" between touchy-feely city guys and a more reserved country guy?
The major dispute seemed over the 'party' clothes, and in all fairness, Carson's choices were very stylish and not at all suitable to a family barbecue! You don't upstage your wife like that. Hell, you don't upstage your Mom!




I think that may be a big part. Besides the Dallas/Fort Worth city folks the guys encountered in the first two episodes, this was a true western ranching family. Quite a difference in styles.

Interesting words from Jai, though. Hmmmm.

I do agree that the jacket that Carson gave him was too dressy for the occasion, but he could of at least worn the jeans and/or the shirt. At least he wore the boots.


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Maybe the Fab 5 were just so aghast that he would let his wife and infant live in such a ramshackle house with pests and mold! In most families, the wife and baby at least would be staying at the main farmhouse until he could fix the place up and get the baby a decent and safe bed!




To quote Kyan from a previous episode, "That's an asthma attack waiting to happen."[/green]

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Past family trouble was hinted at.. but the future looked promising! I don't want to believe Scott treated Jessica badly, but I can see that she might have been disappointed that he did not have a better set up for her and the infant, and that may have caused some tension.. But Jessica seemed willing to cope.. Argh.. I'm confused!




Hard to say. She seems just as reserved as he does.

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I wonder who contacted the show about them? And I did notice that Scott seemed uncomfortable about giving the necklace, sort of shifting the credit mostly to the Fab 5. I took it as awkwardness because jewelry is personal and he did not pick this out or pay for it.. But I also remember how awed he was at Thoms renovation and decorating of the little house and how he later said that the house was more Jessicas or for Jessica. He was awkward, but seemed like a real nice guy. Quiet. The kind of guy I appreciate and have!
Except ~ much taller and older! So I am so confused!

notevayas




I'll have to go back to the tape to see who sent in the request. I used to disagree with people who posted that the MBs were only signing up to get the free stuff, or to get exposure for their upcoming careers (Heck, Ari even admitted it over on his thread & one of the Bravo brothers admitted to "planting" the urine bottle so that the guys would find it!). But, as I said before, the show is no longer new & people know what to expect now, so the producers need to be wiser when picking the MBs.

Still, I enjoyed the episode. If the Fab 5 had a hard time with the guy, they were professional enough to not let it show & the editing pretty much hid it also.
raindog
Well, since for the first time EVER I didn't see the entire show - just the first part and the end of the reveal - I probably shouldn't sling my opinions around until I get to watch the entire thing.. but I loved the horses. Being a big fan of horses. Also found it amusing that everyone but Carson was hanging onto their saddle horn.

Interesting about the Jai comments - Scott seemed very nice although reserved, but I did wonder about the wife and baby coming all that distance to live in a scary, spider filled hovel. He has to be Kyle MacLachlan's secret twin brother, though. I kept expecting dream sequences of dancing dwarfs and morose giants.

And I'll just add that the pig filled me with horror.
design_daddy
I fell bad for the Fab 5 when Jai mentioned at the home show. All the work and time that they each put into the eppy., getting the house/apt. in an orderly fashion, new clothes., tips/advice- manners from Jai, wellness/hairchange/body improvements from Kyan...
And of course the whole interior design effort of THOMY.
One should be so grateful for someone-a group of people to come in and get an apt./house makeover. You know?
50954
The problem wasn't with the horseman, but as usual, with Carson's inflated ego. This episode has proven what I have always thought, that Carson is not the epitome of style that he is portrayed as being. Removing him from the security his New York/Gay Gehtto mentality readily illustrates the extreme limits of his fashion sense. He never considers the person or their personality when he "selects" new clothing, but clings to his own narrow field of knowledge, forceing an individual into clothing that said indivdual would never wear . The problem with Carson is that he has a fashion sense dictated by magazines, and a fear of ageing, and not a sense of style. Fashion is a fad, style is classic.
Rather than be offended I was extremely pleased that someone finally refused to bend to Carson's condension and limited fashion sense. In fact, it was apparent that this current Carson victim, a well rounded and intelligent man, treated Carson with more respect than Carson treated him. This man's body language screamed that he was uncomfortable in what he was being forced to wear but as usual, Carson was too busy playing fashion diva to pay any attention.
design_daddy
There is so much horse stuff out there...tee shirts, wall calendars...do u have it everything horse themed?
Have you ever been to several horse shows? And may I ask, if you took riding lessons as a child?
tomasulo
Wow, what an entrance! Ummm....uh....welcome to the boards. You have a right to your opinion, of course, but I have a feelin' "them's fightin' words!"....so I think I'll step quietyly out of the way and see if I can find my safety goggles before notey reads this and the fur starts flyin'.
tomasulo
I was so shook up that apparently I couldn't type the word "quietly". My bad.
notevayas
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The problem wasn't with the horseman, but as usual, with Carson's inflated ego. This episode has proven what I have always thought, that Carson is not the epitome of style that he is portrayed as being. Removing him from the security his New York/Gay Gehtto mentality readily illustrates the extreme limits of his fashion sense. He never considers the person or their personality when he "selects" new clothing, but clings to his own narrow field of knowledge, forceing an individual into clothing that said indivdual would never wear . The problem with Carson is that he has a fashion sense dictated by magazines, and a fear of ageing, and not a sense of style. Fashion is a fad, style is classic.
Rather than be offended I was extremely pleased that someone finally refused to bend to Carson's condension and limited fashion sense. In fact, it was apparent that this current Carson victim, a well rounded and intelligent man, treated Carson with more respect than Carson treated him. This man's body language screamed that he was uncomfortable in what he was being forced to wear but as usual, Carson was too busy playing fashion diva to pay any attention.




That is [censored]. You say this episode has proven what you have always thought.. sounds like you are a bigot who was just waiting for any excuse to post hate on Carson.
Carson expresses his knowledge of classic style in his book "Off The Rack". The clothes he chooses for the straight guys inevitably flatter them and complement their personalities. Maybe Carson didn't match Scott's personality, maybe Scott was not forthcoming with imput..

If Scott is so well rounded and intelligent (and he may be!) why did Carson have to read body language? Why didn't Scott open his great gob and tell him what he wanted? And if Carson payed attention to some of the SGs' body language.. there would be a few less straight make-betters!

notevayas
MidniteBlue
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The problem wasn't with the horseman, but as usual, with Carson's inflated ego. This episode has proven what I have always thought, that Carson is not the epitome of style that he is portrayed as being. Removing him from the security his New York/Gay Gehtto mentality readily illustrates the extreme limits of his fashion sense. He never considers the person or their personality when he "selects" new clothing, but clings to his own narrow field of knowledge, forceing an individual into clothing that said indivdual would never wear . The problem with Carson is that he has a fashion sense dictated by magazines, and a fear of ageing, and not a sense of style. Fashion is a fad, style is classic.
Rather than be offended I was extremely pleased that someone finally refused to bend to Carson's condension and limited fashion sense. In fact, it was apparent that this current Carson victim, a well rounded and intelligent man, treated Carson with more respect than Carson treated him. This man's body language screamed that he was uncomfortable in what he was being forced to wear but as usual, Carson was too busy playing fashion diva to pay any attention.





You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but I must say that I disagree with everything you've said! I'd be interested in knowing if you've ever seen any other episodes of the show, because then you'd see that the vast majority of the straight guys love the clothes that Carson picks for them. Several of the straight guys post on this forum, and I'm sure they'd tell you that Carson is very knowledgable and not at all condescending. I've watched this show since its debut and I've never gotten a disrespectful vibe from him.

I haven't seen this ep, but from my understanding, Scott had an opportunity to voice his opinion on Carson's choices, and he said he liked them. If he didn't like them, he should have said so, in which case Carson would have simply found something else to dress him in. There have been serveral striaght guys on past eps who have voiced their dislike of a certain choice of clothing in a respectful manner, and Carson has always listened to them without making a fuss. I admire that kind of professionalism. I have to wonder if you were just waiting for the opportunity to troll on this board with opinions you would have had no matter how Scott or any other straight guy reacted to the clothes. I'll probably always be wondering, since I highly doubt you'll be returning to this board to defend your post.
luvsthom
Well...uh...welcome. I take it you are not a real Carson fan. Too bad, but that's you prerogative. I would think, that even if you are not real happy with Carson's selection, for that little bit of time, "on air" you can at least try to accept it. If when your moment is over, you do not desire the selections picked out for you, I'm sure you could rectify the situation.

Anyway, I just loved this episode, even though the Scott did seem a little uncomfortable. I just loved watching Thom carrying that baby around, my god he is a natural. I loved all of them on horses, even though I wish the segment could have been longer. (All the lost footage......okay, okay I won't whine.) Thom in the baseball hat........(**~~Whew, is it getting hot in here?**~~)

Anyway, I'll think of more later. (I have to excuse myself, Thom in a baseball hat and nothing else comes to mind or even better a cowboy hat)






Deb
jais_girl
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Wow, what an entrance! Ummm....uh....welcome to the boards. You have a right to your opinion, of course, but I have a feelin' "them's fightin' words!"....so I think I'll step quietyly out of the way and see if I can find my safety goggles before notey reads this and the fur starts flyin'.




You've got good timing Tomasulo! A minute after you posted, Notey posted his.

Notey and MidniteBlue did very well in their posts. I have to agree with them. Carson did give him an opportunity to say whether Scott liked the clothing and he gave the affirmative. If I remember correctly, even when he was at home with the rest of the guys during the fashion show, he gave the affirmative there too.

JG
KCee
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The problem wasn't with the horseman, but as usual, with Carson's inflated ego. This episode has proven what I have always thought, that Carson is not the epitome of style that he is portrayed as being. Removing him from the security his New York/Gay Gehtto mentality readily illustrates the extreme limits of his fashion sense. He never considers the person or their personality when he "selects" new clothing, but clings to his own narrow field of knowledge, forceing an individual into clothing that said indivdual would never wear . The problem with Carson is that he has a fashion sense dictated by magazines, and a fear of ageing, and not a sense of style. Fashion is a fad, style is classic.
Rather than be offended I was extremely pleased that someone finally refused to bend to Carson's condension and limited fashion sense. In fact, it was apparent that this current Carson victim, a well rounded and intelligent man, treated Carson with more respect than Carson treated him. This man's body language screamed that he was uncomfortable in what he was being forced to wear but as usual, Carson was too busy playing fashion diva to pay any attention.





You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but I must say that I disagree with everything you've said! I'd be interested in knowing if you've ever seen any other episodes of the show, because then you'd see that the vast majority of the straight guys love the clothes that Carson picks for them. Several of the straight guys post on this forum, and I'm sure they'd tell you that Carson is very knowledgable and not at all condescending. I've watched this show since its debut and I've never gotten a disrespectful vibe from him.

I haven't seen this ep, but from my understanding, Scott had an opportunity to voice his opinion on Carson's choices, and he said he liked them. If he didn't like them, he should have said so, in which case Carson would have simply found something else to dress him in. There have been serveral striaght guys on past eps who have voiced their dislike of a certain choice of clothing in a respectful manner, and Carson has always listened to them without making a fuss. I admire that kind of professionalism. I have to wonder if you were just waiting for the opportunity to troll on this board with opinions you would have had no matter how Scott or any other straight guy reacted to the clothes. I'll probably always be wondering, since I highly doubt you'll be returning to this board to defend your post.




I did see the episode, and they did show Carson asking if he liked the clothes, and Scott said that he did. If he didn't like them, or thought they were too formal, he should have said so and Carson would have found something else. Other guys have done that and it wasn't a big deal.
tomasulo
Deb, did you notice the expression on Ted's face when Thom was holding baby Katherine? It looked like he was thinking exactly what you said....Thom's a natural.

Except for Carson, the guys didn't look entirely comfortable on horseback. I kept thinking of the Pace salsa commercial......"New York City?!?"" Kyan was excited (justifiably!) about how stylish he looked on his horse and Jai looked borderline panicky when he unintentionally put his horse in reverse. That was great. I thought I could hear Carson giving him some instructions.
notevayas
my_guy_ky posted on Carsons.."

Location: In Kyan's arms, where I belong, with my lips pressed against the side of his neck!
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:29 am
Post subject: Steers, Beers and Queers!
Okay we all know that Kyan's my favorite, but this time I had a hard time taking my eyes off of my 2nd fave, Jai. I usually think of him as such a city slicker, so I couldn't believe how stunning that western wear looked on him, right down to the cowboy hat! And I'm not even a fan of western clothes.

notevayas replies..
Yeah, he looked good.. and if Jai can ride, maybe I can too! Off-topic, but I just noticed in the Adam Zalta repeat, Kyan kisses Adam on the neck as they leave. Jealous?


Carson got the best lines:
"Do you like it, do you love it, do you want some more of it"? (for those who don't know, that's from a country song.), "We've cleaned up your dirty hole." (regarding SG's ceiling), "You've got wood." (in new dining room), and right after the kitchen scene, "Ted's always trying to get strangers to rub his meat."
Way to go tonight, Carson! Lines like these are what made me tune into Queer Eye in the first place.


There is no show without Carson! And it's not the words as much as the voice and the expressions! He softens it just enough to be loving as opposed to rude.

I didn't write about Ky first this time because he didn't shine as much in this episode as Jai and Carson did. And he needed a haircut. His hair was too poufy in the front this time. =^.^= Kyan looked so sweet stroking the horse's mane. I can find something else for him to stroke... It showed him shoveling poop in the barn. I didn't see Kyan actually being stuck with needles during the SG's accupuncture. Was he just lying on his back with his pantlegs rolled up to be a tease?

He was cool when he mentioned alternative uses for chaps.. without really.. and the acupuncture segment was very informative and sexy. Why didn't his book Beautified have a photo of him in chaps.. oh yeah.. it was for Women!

Thom found just the right furniture store for this SG

Yeah, the furniture was too theme for a big house, but it made for a cozy child-friendly cottage EXCEPT for the glass coffee table! Even if the edge is beveled round.. What was Thom thinking?? Maybe about getting some chaps..

I've been to Texas, and there are some amazing barbeque joints there. Brisket is ok, but big beef ribs with plenty of sauce are my favorite! And I don't like cole slaw. Cabbage causes gas.

Ack! You are right about the gas.. But I love cabbage! And you would like my coleslaw. It has hardly any condiment and tastes like cool fresh salad with a touch of salad dressing mixed in. Not mushy or tart like commercial stuff.

While the SG's land and horses cost $$, his home was rather spartan. I liked that, however. I'm not really into the eps where the SGs live in a big fancy home. The inside of this SG's freezer door looked so GROSS! I liked the SG's new sunglasses on him, but during the fashion show, I thought he looked too stylized, or gay, or something.

I agree about the make betters on modest homes/apts being the best. And he was too stylized for a family cookout, but he fixed it. It wasn't dissing Carson to use his own judgement. I hope he keeps the stylish clothing nice for taking Jessica dancing, I would have loved to see one of the SG's take his lady out country dancing! Ah well, next time!
notevayas

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bileotter
The armadillo smoker made me think of the Steel Magnolias line about the groom's cake. "People are going to be hacking into this poor animal that looks like it's bleeding to death!"

I got the feeling that the SG's main reason for doing the show was the new house, but at least it was a nice place for the girlfriend and baby to come home to. And Grandma Tinker was awesome, which all of the guys seemed to appreciate. I loved Grandma Tinker.
50954
Scott did rectify the situation by not wearing clothing that he did not feel comfortable in. Much is made of the assumption that simply because a person is asked for their opinion that they feel free to express it. Given the structure of the show, and the fact that it is viewed by millions of people it would take a person of firm will to express thier opinion if their opinion is negative. Expressing a negative opinion on air, could be make the person appear ungrateful and resistent. The easiest way to tell if a persons opinion is honest, look at their eyes and their body language. Scotts eyes and body language said it all.
tomasulo
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Scott did rectify the situation by not wearing clothing that he did not feel comfortable in. Much is made of the assumption that simply because a person is asked for their opinion that they feel free to express it. Given the structure of the show, and the fact that it is viewed by millions of people it would take a person of firm will to express thier opinion if their opinion is negative. Expressing a negative opinion on air, could be make the person appear ungrateful and resistent. The easiest way to tell if a persons opinion is honest, look at their eyes and their body language. Scotts eyes and body language said it all.





The Fab 5 probably feel somewhat safe in assuming that when the SG agrees to be on the show, he's aware that the QE guys (established experts in their fields) are going to make improvements. Only a stubborn fool would refuse to accept advice from such talented people when given that opportunity.
notevayas
That is B*U*L*L. You say this episode has proven what you have always thought.. sounds like you are a bigot who was just waiting for any excuse to post hate on Carson.
Carson expresses his knowledge of classic style in his book "Off The Rack". The clothes he chooses for the straight guys inevitably flatter them and complement their personalities. Maybe Carson didn't match Scott's personality, maybe Scott was not forthcoming with imput..

If Scott is so well rounded and intelligent (and he may be!) why did Carson have to read body language? Why didn't Scott open his great gob and tell him what he wanted? And if Carson payed attention to some of the SGs' body language.. there would be a few less straight make-betters!

Your reasoning reminds me of a rapist I saw interviewed on this depressing documentary who swore he could tell the woman was consenting by her "body language".
notevayas
MidniteBlue
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Scott did rectify the situation by not wearing clothing that he did not feel comfortable in. Much is made of the assumption that simply because a person is asked for their opinion that they feel free to express it. Given the structure of the show, and the fact that it is viewed by millions of people it would take a person of firm will to express thier opinion if their opinion is negative. Expressing a negative opinion on air, could be make the person appear ungrateful and resistent. The easiest way to tell if a persons opinion is honest, look at their eyes and their body language. Scotts eyes and body language said it all.




Considering that this show has a limited budget for clothes, grooming products, furniture, food, etc, I have a hard time accepting your argument that just because the straight guy is asked for his opinion, it doesn't mean he's free to express it. The purpose of the makeover is to find clothes, furniture, and other products that the straight guy will actually like and use, which makes it essential that the Fab 5 at least attempt to match the straight guy's tastes and lifestyle. I highly doubt the Fab 5 and the producers want to spend all that money on things the straight guy doesn't like!

Furthermore, just because an opinion about a given piece is negative does not mean it will be construed as stubborn and resistant. Yes, there have been some difficult straight guys in the past, but as I have said before, there have been many respectful expressions of differing opinions.

For example, when Jeff Toale went furniture shopping with Thom, one of the first sofas they looked at was a grey one. When Thom asked what Jeff thought about it, Jeff said he felt that it was too grey and he wanted to get away from grey. Thus, Thom simply showed him a few more pieces until they found one they thought would work. No one found that "stubborn" or "resistant" at all. It was simply Jeff and Thom communicating with each other in order to find furniture that Jeff would want for he and his family's home.
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The armadillo smoker made me think of the Steel Magnolias line about the groom's cake. "People are going to be hacking into this poor animal that looks like it's bleeding to death!"

I got the feeling that the SG's main reason for doing the show was the new house, but at least it was a nice place for the girlfriend and baby to come home to. And Grandma Tinker was awesome, which all of the guys seemed to appreciate. I loved Grandma Tinker.




I'd almost put the memory of that macabre thing out of my head.... and now it's back!!! AAAAGGHHH!!!!!!!! I probably would make a very bad Texan. "No, really, just a salad for me! Eww, that has EYES - gross, gross, gross!!!!"

And I agree about the house. Well, what little I saw since I haven't seen most of the episode yet, horrors. Now it's a pleasant place, and not a ghastly nightmare.
tomasulo
Because I'm ancient, I was also reminded of the BBQ scene in the movie "Giant" (James Dean, Rock Hudson) in which Elizabeth Taylor's character faints because the're cooking the head of some animal.....a cow?.....whatever. I guess if I were in Texas, I'd be over at the salad bar with raindog.
raindog
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Because I'm ancient, I was also reminded of the BBQ scene in the movie "Giant" (James Dean, Rock Hudson) in which Elizabeth Taylor's character faints because the're cooking the head of some animal.....a cow?.....whatever. I guess if I were in Texas, I'd be over at the salad bar with raindog.




Giant is on the list of movies I've never seen, but really want to. And that would be me, keeling right over.
cats4
It wasn't a bad episode...Scott may have come across as a jerk or he may have been very uncomfortable being on QE. Or has a hard time expressing himself...I would be interested in finding out who submitted his tape...if he was so resistant why be on QE??? Yea, I know some people want the free things no matter what they have to do to accomplish this....Let's try and give Scott the benefit of the doubt there may have been a personality clash between the guys and Scott...as was said before Carson Ted Thom Jai and Kyan are all experts in their areas....someone would have to be crazy NOT to take their advice...as usual excellent job was done by the Fab 5!!!
tomasulo
When I read my previous post again, it looks like I was calling Scott a stubborn fool. I really didn't mean it quite like that...I just got all caught up in the moment . cats4, you expressed it much better. Good job. And, Scott, if you read this...no hard feelings. In fact, if you're ever in southern California....(good lord, Tomasulo is on the prowl again)....there's a pitcher of Margarita's with your name on it.....and I do a mean Tush Push (that's a line dance in case your minds were going elsewhere....you naughty, naughty peeps.)
MidniteBlue
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Because I'm ancient, I was also reminded of the BBQ scene in the movie "Giant" (James Dean, Rock Hudson) in which Elizabeth Taylor's character faints because the're cooking the head of some animal.....a cow?.....whatever. I guess if I were in Texas, I'd be over at the salad bar with raindog.




*Midnite Blue joins Raindog and Tomasulo over at the salad bar*
I'm an animal lover, and I don't eat red or white meat. Something tells me I'm gonna faint when I see finally see this ep and the roasted pig. And the acupuncture? Yikes, I hate needles too. Come to think of it, maybe it's better if I don't this this ep!
tomasulo
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Because I'm ancient, I was also reminded of the BBQ scene in the movie "Giant" (James Dean, Rock Hudson) in which Elizabeth Taylor's character faints because the're cooking the head of some animal.....a cow?.....whatever. I guess if I were in Texas, I'd be over at the salad bar with raindog.




*Midnite Blue joins Raindog and Tomasulo over at the salad bar*
I'm an animal lover, and I don't eat red or white meat. Something tells me I'm gonna faint when I see finally see this ep and the roasted pig. And the acupuncture? Yikes, I hate needles too. Come to think of it, maybe it's better if I don't this this ep!




No, you should definitely watch it....the scenes with Thom holding baby Katherine are incentive enough!!!
raindog
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Because I'm ancient, I was also reminded of the BBQ scene in the movie "Giant" (James Dean, Rock Hudson) in which Elizabeth Taylor's character faints because the're cooking the head of some animal.....a cow?.....whatever. I guess if I were in Texas, I'd be over at the salad bar with raindog.




*Midnite Blue joins Raindog and Tomasulo over at the salad bar*
I'm an animal lover, and I don't eat red or white meat. Something tells me I'm gonna faint when I see finally see this ep and the roasted pig. And the acupuncture? Yikes, I hate needles too. Come to think of it, maybe it's better if I don't this this ep!




Just be prepared for when they start pulling SOMETHING out of the big roaster thing. I was like, "What in the world is tha.. AAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!"

The acupuncture was okay, though. I am a big wimp about needles myself, but these were teeny little ones just barely poking his skin. Not gross.
TxDogLover
I'm new to this board, but I've been a fan of the Fab5 since the first episode. I do not think Carson over-reacted to Scott not wearing what he had chosen, but I don't think he seriously thought Scott was dissing him, either. It was more like Carson's wit to me. As a true Texan, I know a lot of guys like Scott. Much more comfortable in their own skin than what others think they should be or wear. While he may have agreed with what Carson chose for him, it may have been just good ole manners about accepting gifts. Also, remember that he and his family rode their horses at the end. I'm sure purely for the television audience sake. Perhaps he chose his old jeans because he knew they were going to ride and they were a more comfortable fit. As a rider I have to tell you that nothing chafes more than uncomfortable jeans. Ouch! But I couldn't understand the wagon wheel table (I literaly groaned "that's too cliche" to my husband) and the glass coffee table. Both of them glass. And with an infant? Not only dangerous, but what a pain to keep clean and unscratched. Frankly neither Scott nor Jessica seem like cleaning is their priority. Remember the refrigerator? OH, and you must watch "Giant". Just keep in mind that not all of Texas looks like that and not all Texans act like that. But we do cook hogs and goats in pits in the ground, but in all my life I've yet to see anyone eat the brains. This happens in the movie. Still a fan of the Fab5 and can't wait for new episodes.
MidniteBlue
Greetings and welcome to the group! Thanks for sharing your opinion on the ep. I've yet to see it, but I have a feeling there was probably alot we didn't see. Besides, it's highly likely that there was some "culture shock" going on between the Fab 5 and Scott. I just don't think it's really fair to assume this guy was a jerk or resistant when in reality he was probably still trying to adjust to the Fab 5's presence and perspectives and vice versa. Anyway, I hope to see you around!
notevayas
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I'm new to this board, but I've been a fan of the Fab5 since the first episode. I do not think Carson over-reacted to Scott not wearing what he had chosen, but I don't think he seriously thought Scott was dissing him, either. It was more like Carson's wit to me. As a true Texan, I know a lot of guys like Scott. Much more comfortable in their own skin than what others think they should be or wear. While he may have agreed with what Carson chose for him, it may have been just good ole manners about accepting gifts. Also, remember that he and his family rode their horses at the end. I'm sure purely for the television audience sake. Perhaps he chose his old jeans because he knew they were going to ride and they were a more comfortable fit. As a rider I have to tell you that nothing chafes more than uncomfortable jeans. Ouch! But I couldn't understand the wagon wheel table (I literaly groaned "that's too cliche" to my husband) and the glass coffee table. Both of them glass. And with an infant? Not only dangerous, but what a pain to keep clean and unscratched. Frankly neither Scott nor Jessica seem like cleaning is their priority. Remember the refrigerator? OH, and you must watch "Giant". Just keep in mind that not all of Texas looks like that and not all Texans act like that. But we do cook hogs and goats in pits in the ground, but in all my life I've yet to see anyone eat the brains. This happens in the movie. Still a fan of the Fab5 and can't wait for new episodes.



Hey TxDogLover, welcome to Bravo Q E!
It's easier for me to keep my temper on the ShowDog M&D board, than here when a poster disses Carson.


I agree that for a Texan, the wagon wheel table must have looked cliched.. but to me in Massachusetts, it looked sort of exotic. And Scott's little house is about the size of a boathouse around here, and many of them are converted into little guesthouses with a nautical theme..


And is country dancing something that you and your husband do? Or are Texan men just as stubborn about dancing as many northern men?
notevayas
texgal
I love the show and watch all the time. Fun to see them doing Texas!

Does anyone know the name of the furniture store where they shopped for Scott's house?

Thanks!
Venus
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/13/g...s.ap/index.html

New networks seek gay, lesbian audiences
Three channels take different approaches to new market

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 Posted: 4:09 PM EDT (2009 GMT)

NEW YORK (AP) -- Three new TV networks catering to gay and lesbian viewers are trying to establish themselves, and all say they support one another -- at least publicly.

Competition breeds interest and shows doubters the business is viable, said Frank Olsen, president of the Q Television Network. He once applied the same theory when he owned four gay and lesbian bars near one another in Seattle.

"I think there's room for all three of us," said Olsen, whose network is the underdog of the trio. "We're different types of channels, just like you have ABC, NBC and CBS."

Sure to be the most visible is MTV Networks' Logo, scheduled to start as a basic cable network on June 30. Q and Here are both pay services operating now and available to a limited number of viewers.

The gay and lesbian community has been underserved by the media and these channels are long overdue, said Damon Romine, entertainment media director for the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation.

"There's definitely an audience out there that is hungry to see their stories being told," he said. "We've seen this with the tremendous success of 'Queer as Folk' and 'The L Word.' "

Logo has two original series that will be ready this summer. One is "Noah's Arc," about a black gay screenwriter from California and his friends, and the other is "My Fabulous Gay Wedding," a comic makeover reality show.

Otherwise, Logo will rely heavily on movies and documentaries until it is better established. Logo has acquired the rights to such films as "Angels in America" and "Moulin Rouge," and has documentaries about a gay rugby team in Chicago and the gay rodeo circuit.

"It will be programmed to the sensitivity of a basic-cable audience," said Nicole Browning, president of MTV Networks' affiliate sales and marketing unit.

Logo's ride to reality hasn't been smooth. It spent years on parent company Viacom's back burner and has seen its launch date postponed from February. This year's delay was partly to get more programming in place but was also because it had agreements to be in only 2 million to 3 million of the nation's nearly 110 million television homes.

Browning was quoted recently as saying she had found some resistance to the idea of a gay and lesbian network in meetings with cable or satellite providers. One executive threatened resignation if Logo were launched in the company's territory. She downplayed that in a subsequent interview.

"While there may be some initial trepidation, once they really understand what we're doing, the breadth of the audience and the breadth of the programming, they understand there is a great business opportunity," she said.

She said Logo will begin in 10 million homes, a significant percentage of the roughly 45 million homes with digital service. Logo isn't trying to reach analog homes.

Political trepidation is one of the reasons Paul Colichman, Here's CEO, believes his business plan is superior. Interested viewers can subscribe to Here full time, for an evening or for individual programs.

"Unless you want the channel, you don't receive it," he said.

Colichman claims ownership of the largest gay and lesbian film library in the country, with such titles as "The Crying Game," "Longtime Companion" and "Gods and Monsters," which he produced. He has original series on gay families, how gay couples met and a supernatural soap opera called "Dante's Cove."

"Look at HBO and Showtime and what they do and compare it to a basic cable channel, and that's where you will see the difference between Here and Logo," he said.

Roughly 80 to 85 percent of homes with digital satellite or cable can order Here, he said.

But Browning noted there's a big difference in visibility between an advertiser-supported network like Logo, which will be seen continually in millions of homes, and a subscriber service whose audience is likely to count only in the thousands at any given time.

Q is aggressively marketing itself but, to date, is available only on the small RCN satellite service. Olsen said it would be available in 16 million homes by June. Olsen concedes his rivals have shut him out of the market for many films.

It has a documentary series, "In FoQus," which is preparing a tribute to Elizabeth Taylor, and a morning talk show that recently changed its name from "Good Morning Gay America" to "Gay Day" after representatives of ABC's "Good Morning America" threatened legal action, he said.

When Viacom announced it was going ahead with Logo, Olsen said he started getting phone calls from cable companies returned.

"Having a company like Viacom validate the niche automatically made the concept of a gay-oriented channel more viable," Colichman said.
cats4
I wasn't upset with you....your post was fine and thanks!!
notevayas
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I love the show and watch all the time. Fun to see them doing Texas!

Does anyone know the name of the furniture store where they shopped for Scott's house?

Thanks!




    The Arrangement
    www,thearrangement.com
    13710 Dallas Pkwy
    Dallas, Texas 75240
    214-748-4540
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    to check the stores used by any of the Fab 5 in a particular episode, click on the "Product Guide" button at the top of this page, scroll down and click on the particular episode. (listed by the name of the SG and #)

    Welcome to Bravo QE! It's going to be slow for a bit because of the repeat next week.. but Brian and his wife are very nice and have posted on his thread..

    ...also, does anyone know if the third icon at the bottom of messages works? I used it to complain to the BBB about the previous advertisment for gay pay cable by the non_poster "Venus". I don't subscribe to any of those channels and I never will! I have my own copy of "Moulin Rouge" and "Gods and Monsters", thank you! Even though it addresses important social issues, I don't watch "Queer as Folk" which I already get on expanded cable because the characters don't seem real to me and are annoying! And while I love advertisements, (anyone see the new Dasini water ad. with the bear? ) spammers are rude.. and if the BBB does delete Venus's ad, this post will make no sense..

    notevayas
raindog
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I'm new to this board, but I've been a fan of the Fab5 since the first episode. I do not think Carson over-reacted to Scott not wearing what he had chosen, but I don't think he seriously thought Scott was dissing him, either. It was more like Carson's wit to me.




Welcome to the boards, TxDogLover! Having FINALLY seen the whole thing, I agree - I think Carson's sense of humor is often mistaken for serious reactions to things. Although naturally I can't think of any examples at the moment, there were many instances when the show was new where people seemed to take things he said literally when he was KIDDING.

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As a true Texan, I know a lot of guys like Scott. Much more comfortable in their own skin than what others think they should be or wear. While he may have agreed with what Carson chose for him, it may have been just good ole manners about accepting gifts. Also, remember that he and his family rode their horses at the end. I'm sure purely for the television audience sake. Perhaps he chose his old jeans because he knew they were going to ride and they were a more comfortable fit. As a rider I have to tell you that nothing chafes more than uncomfortable jeans. Ouch!




Very good point about the jeans! I used to ride (sadly, not in YEARS) and he probably was thinking about that when he picked the wrong trousers.

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But I couldn't understand the wagon wheel table (I literaly groaned "that's too cliche" to my husband) and the glass coffee table. Both of them glass. And with an infant? Not only dangerous, but what a pain to keep clean and unscratched. Frankly neither Scott nor Jessica seem like cleaning is their priority. Remember the refrigerator?




Yikes, true - think of how nasty that glass is going to get if they don't clean it like DAILY. The wagon wheel table... in my last house, I actually had a wagon wheel light fixture in the living room. It was really strange. We rented so just lived with it. Here I think it's more of a vacation cabin thing, though - kind of exotic more than tacky. I think the table would be viewed the same way.

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OH, and you must watch "Giant". Just keep in mind that not all of Texas looks like that and not all Texans act like that. But we do cook hogs and goats in pits in the ground, but in all my life I've yet to see anyone eat the brains. This happens in the movie. Still a fan of the Fab5 and can't wait for new episodes.




My favorite movie about Texas is Lone Star. The John Sayles one. It's more southern-near-the-border Texas. Must see Giant!

I have to say, though, having the baby on the horse like that worried me. Call me paranoid, but I kept thinking, what if something scares the horse?? Although part of that may be the general paranoia of the times. I don't know how I survived childhood, myself.
TxDogLover
Nope, not all Texans dance. A lot of real cowboys can't/won't/don't dance. A lot of the Rexall Rangers (drugstore cowboys) are pretty good boot scooters. I love to dance, but my husband doesn't. I'm lucky because when we do go out, he doesn't mind if I dance. As far as exotic, there is family in our neighborhood who built a 6 foot tall New England style lighthouse in their front yard, complete with a surrounding rock wall. They also have a cutsie flag that says something about Maine hanging on the front of their house, as well as Maine stickers all over their cars. True, they've only been here for 5 years and won't be considered Texans for at least 2 generations, but it still unusual. Back to QE, still can't get over the glass tables with an infant. Oh, the Windex they'll go through. BTW, thank you for welcoming me to this message board.
raindog
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I agree that for a Texan, the wagon wheel table must have looked cliched.. but to me in Massachusetts, it looked sort of exotic. And Scott's little house is about the size of a boathouse around here, and many of them are converted into little guesthouses with a nautical theme..






Same here. It's more a vacation-cabin look here in NC, than it is tacky, I think. Although the house where I had a wagon wheel lamp was not for vacations and wasn't a cabin - it was a very old trailer that had an addition added to it so that it looked like a really oddly made house. So there, it was not quite so much vacationy as it was disturbing.
design_daddy
What would be your ideal THEME in ur bedroom? Living room? Kitchen and bath rooms?
I love the beach and or lake theme
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