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In Jim's defense, he TOLD Ted that Lauren didn't care for fish, so in a way the faux pas is Ted's (oh, SHUT MY MOUTH!) and Jim just followed orders.
Also, I felt a little badly for Lauren. Maybe she WAS feeling green on the boat. She was a trouper to eat the fish if she doesn't care for fish. And, while she had commented that Jim talked too much, I think she was overwhealmed when he lobbed the ball into her court so abruptly. After all, we may not like all our significant other's idiosyncrasies, but we are USED to them!
And in his defense, while he sounded condescending with the 'baby talk', he was ALSO in a new place of trying to get her to talk more.
Now, I would agree, that the air around the two of them felt pretty cold from the moment Lauren came into the apartment, but again, we had just seen the sisters' effusiveness.




Also, in Ted's defense, Jim never explicitly said "Oh, Lauren doesn't like seafood." What he said was that he was excited about trying to get her over her fear of salmon and caviar, which makes me think that he knew all along that she didn't like the food he was making, but he did it anyway, because *he* liked it. Although the thought of Ted browbeating Jim into making a lobster roll is pretty dang funny.

I don't know. I liked Jim very much until he started talking to his girlfriend like she was four years old, and then lecturing her when she didn't respond the way he wanted. And I can see how a typically shy, reserved person would be uncomfortable in front of a bunch of cameras, not to mention going somewhere unfamiliar, but Lauren...I honestly couldn't tell whether she was seasick or not, because she kept the same disinterested, blank expression on her face from the moment she saw the apartment until the very end. She and Jim seemed so different that it was hard to believe that they'd been together for almost three years. It wasn't that they weren't on the same page, they weren't even in the same book.

On a happier note, Thom destroying the ugly kitchen made me laugh like a drain.
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tomasulo, tsk tsk tsk! Do you remember your first post to General Comments in November of 2003? You were crushing on the New Jersey cop, John Verdi. I wonder if he is still with his beautiful girlfriend. Remember when he started with the baby talk to her? ugh. It reminded me of last nights silly, self absorbed SG who served seafood to his girlfriend who didn't like fish!

My_guy_ky and I posted on Carson's but Bravo doesn't seem to have a thread up yet. Can't get it up, eh, Bravo??

Nevermind, I am looking back at TTB's early posts. I might repost some of my favorites.. Watch out!

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I'm sorry the new QE calendar doesn't show the birthdates for the Fab 5...does anyone out there know this info?
P.S. I'm a straight woman and he's a gay man.....but Thom in that cop uniform on the John V. episode fulfilled every fantasy I've ever had. Go figure.





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tomasulo, tsk tsk tsk! Do you remember your first post to General Comments in November of 2003? You were crushing on the New Jersey cop, John Verdi. I wonder if he is still with his beautiful girlfriend. Remember when he started with the baby talk to her? ugh. It reminded me of last nights silly, self absorbed SG who served seafood to his girlfriend who didn't like fish!

My_guy_ky and I posted on Carson's but Bravo doesn't seem to have a thread up yet. Can't get it up, eh, Bravo??ohmy.gif

Nevermind, I am looking back at TTB's early posts. I might repost some of my favorites.. Watch out!

notevayas

Remember this post from tomasulo?

#53 - 11/19/03 10:13 AM Edit Reply Quote
I'm sorry the new QE calendar doesn't show the birthdates for the Fab 5...does anyone out there know this info?
P.S. I'm a straight woman and he's a gay man.....but Thom in that cop uniform on the John V. episode fulfilled every fantasy I've ever had. Go figure.


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Oh my ghod....that's a blast from the past! I can't believe there was ever a time when I didn't know their birthdays!!! Thom in that cop uniform.....that will always be a classic! Good times! John V. is still the Champ when it comes to nauseating baby talk but James J. really tried to give him a run for his money! Thanks for the walk down memory lane, notey.

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I found ThomsTeddyBear's first post!
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I am TOTALLY into QE! It is the only program I watch regularly on tv now. I think Thom is sooooo handsome! His features are so animated; I love to watch his expressions when he gets excited. Oh and his smile is to die for! He recently got his hair cut and I was upset because I drifted in those waves, but the new cut shows off more of his face and that is NEVER a bad thing.
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Later on, TTB talks about Thom's talent, but just like the Force that turned Carson physically around in his Diet Pepsi SuperBowl commercial, it was Thom's animal magnetism that brought TTB to this forum! Lucky for us!

May the Force be with you!
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It reminded me of last nights silly, self absorbed SG who served seafood to his girlfriend who didn't like fish!

My_guy_ky and I posted on Carson's but Bravo doesn't seem to have a thread up yet. Can't get it up, eh, Bravo??ohmy.gif



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Yeah! That was an odd episode, wasn't it?
I died laughing when Jim couldn't kill the lobster (and I really am an animal rights supporter, REALLY!) both at the reactions of the FF and at Jim's tenacity.
In Jim's defense, he TOLD Ted that Lauren didn't care for fish, so in a way the faux pas is Ted's (oh, SHUT MY MOUTH!) and Jim just followed orders.
Also, I felt a little badly for Lauren. Maybe she WAS feeling green on the boat. She was a trouper to eat the fish if she doesn't care for fish. And, while she had commented that Jim talked too much, I think she was overwhealmed when he lobbed the ball into her court so abruptly. After all, we may not like all our significant other's idiosyncrasies, but we are USED to them!
And in his defense, while he sounded condescending with the 'baby talk', he was ALSO in a new place of trying to get her to talk more.
Now, I would agree, that the air around the two of them felt pretty cold from the moment Lauren came into the apartment, but again, we had just seen the sisters' effusiveness.
I wish the haiku part had been better planned, it was supposed to be romantic and seemed like just another task to be satisfied by Jim.
Loved the kitchen!!! And I don't even cook!
I guess overall it was a rather uneven episode and the chemistry was off throughout.
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Great post signladyb! It was an odd episode #144.. sort of a filler eh? So, James did mention that Lauren didn't like fish? Naughty Ted! And good for you for remembering the girlfriend's name.. I had no clue. She seemed a rather washed-out Lauren, but hard to judge from teevee I guess. I guess I'll post my comments here..


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Yeah! That was an odd episode, wasn't it?
I died laughing when Jim couldn't kill the lobster (and I really am an animal rights supporter, REALLY!) both at the reactions of the FF and at Jim's tenacity.
In Jim's defense, he TOLD Ted that Lauren didn't care for fish, so in a way the faux pas is Ted's (oh, SHUT MY MOUTH!) and Jim just followed orders.


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Where IS the thread??? The lobster sacrifice was really freaking me out. It was gruesome enough when the chef did it really quickly, but Jim's mutilation was just making me go EW EW EW EW EW EW EW EW EW EW EW EW!!!!" I'm pretty squeamish, though. Even that pig in the Texas one grossed me out.

I didn't catch that he told Ted his girlfriend didn't like fish - what was Ted thinking????

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Post subject: Jai, do you need to go potty?

I hate how the teasers called tonight's episode "the most shocking", leading me to believe that it would be the nude one, but instead it was just our "girls" in the Loft being drama queens (yes, especially you, Miss Kyan! ) about the lobster getting cut. But I liked tonight's episode nonetheless. Many fans were liking last week's show for being like the original ones, but that SG really wasn't doing it for me and I found him somewhat offputting. For me, this episode was like my favorites. The SG was single and had a very messy apt. Our boys weren't upstaged by the SG so they really got to shine.

Carson must be reading my posts where I complain about Kyan wearing preppy clothes because he keeps dressing him that way, like tonight's show with the light blue polo shirt. Preppy suited the SG very well, however. Ky's whiskers were almost a beard this time.
Ky really brought the funny this time, too: when he showed his feminine side while pretending to iron Jai's hair w/waffle iron, in the salon when he didn't let Carson use scissors, pointing to him and saying, "That is what happens when ADHD goes undiagnosed" and especially when making fun of the SG talking baby talk to GF, he says, "Jai, do you need to go to the potty before you leave?" I often talk baby talk to my SG like Ky did to Jai because he's even more adorable than Jai.
I liked Kyan's outfit in The Loft, except for the Vans. Kyan, honey, if you were old enough to have worn them the first time around, you're too old to wear them now. =^.^=
It's been a while since I've seen a really droolworthy Kyan Hip Tip, but this time he was close up, which is always yummy!

Wow, Carson had on some fierce red and white printed pants that only he could've gotten away with! They appeared to fit uncomfortably tight, especially up front, but then again, it wouldn't surprise me if Carson had masochistic tendencies.
The SG liked plaid so much, I was surprised that Carson didn't take him to Burberry, but maybe there wasn't one nearby.

Thom's shirt was quite colorful.
I don't get why he had to be so destructive to the SG's fridge and cabinets prior to redoing his kitchen, but oh well.
The apartment came out looking amazing, just like in some of my favorite older eps., especially the shelves in the living room.

Okay, I was starting to get a bit nervous when, near the beginning, Jai has something in his mouth (note to self: must get mind outta the gutter ) and says, "Hey, is my smile a little yellow?" No, Jai, don't go there or I'll spank your little hiny! Leave it for the real commercials. Anyhoo, the SG had a very nice very white smile so thankfully the boys didn't have to go there!
The idea of the warm Epsom salt soak sounded cool. I'm glad Jai gave instruction to the SG on not interrupting others. Many people I've met need to be told just that.
The pink polo that Jai wore in The Loft looked good on him.

It's good that the SG was such a good cook, but before the MB, I wouldn't have wanted to eat anything in his home. Just like the old episode that I loved best, this one used some rather decadent ingredients: lobster, $100+ black truffles, creme fraiche, caviar, etc. WOW! Well maybe someday I'll be able to treat my own SG to something like that, but for now I can dream and salivate. Mmmm, seafood burritos.
I just loved the wicked way the Tedster laughed after the SG told him that he was also talkative.
Okay, Notevayas and others, what did you think of Ted winking his blue eye in his Hip Tip?

The SG's new haircut looked nice in a Gavin Rossdale kinda way. Ky did a great job of instructing him on product usage and telling him to keep his hands outta his hair. It not only will keep the hair looking nice but it's good to get rid of that mannerism anyway. I get annoyed at the way some women always do that with their hair, like every 10 seconds.
The GF even pissed my guy Kyan off. During the reveal, there were definitely some Taebee/Trenton Lisa moments.
I'm glad this show gave me enough to write about, as opposed to last week's.
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Now, now, my_guy_ky! I would not have climbed behind the couch like Jai, but I definitely didn't want to watch that crustacean being torn apart alive! And I am no Drama Queen!
But I did hum several bars of "Under The Sea" from Disney"s "Little Mermaid".. And I squinted a bit..

At first I thought Yaay! We get a typical single slob, who, not having notevayas, gets the services of the Fab Five for a gay day and no nights.. Anywayhow, I was disappointed in James as soon as he opened his mouth. He chattered on and on.. sort of like my worst fantasy of Jai on a fishing trip. Guys don't have to be 6' or muscular or wealthy to get my attention, but they have to have some dignity except when they are consciously ditching it on occasion (like the Fab 5).

But even though the SG was a disappointment, the guys were a hoot! Carsons pants were such a red treat. He really knows how to work his a$$ets! Kyan looked like he was wearing a helmet of hair with two bottles of Product in it.. and he really is trying too hard with the facial hair! Ted looked absolutely edible! Jai and Thom are attractive, just not my cup of gay coolaid..

Kyan had some of the best lines during the lobster fiasco and also "That sweater is a little "Cat in the Hat" and "Jai do you have to go to the potty?"
Kyan will make a good father. But he was too tough on the SG's date. I'm sure that sometime in the SG's relationship that he was told that his girlfriend did not like fish. But he just didn't LISTEN! Kyan was good in getting the SG to see the wisdom of cutting off his mop of hair.. but what was left could have used a good washing! Hairwashing in the shower is a notevayas specialty.. Carson's washing hair in the salon was a fantasy for the ladies I'm sure. If Kyan didn't have to spend so much time convincing this guy to lose the greasy mop, he could have pushed a bit of exercise for the SG. I can sympathise because I was just as sickly looking as a kid.

I don't know what the heck Jai was going for by floating this guy in Epsom salt.. pickled SG? Salt water is good for the skin, but I defy anyone to tell me that going to a fussy spa, and floating in a public tub is more relaxing than a bath at home. ?! Just like sex, there are things that lose their charm if you have to PAY someone for it.

Ted.. Ted.. Ted.. Does Ted really understand what a picnic is? There is no such thing as a formal picnic on a sailboat Ted! If you try to make a formal picnic on a sailboat.. what happens? The girlfriend gets queasy and ends up with champagne in her shoes!
Kyan and company treated this girl like the infamous Taebe, but in both cases, with the hot Morroccan take-out and the seafood for the girlfriend who doesn't like fish, Ted didn't help matters.. Not that I care when it's so funny! And both guys were named James, right? But seriously, seasick and eating seafood you don't like with a camera in your face? She did OK not to barf over the side of the boat!

I forgot to say how great a job Thom did, after his fiasco last week. What a beautiful kitchen.. great idea to extend the shelving there.
I don't generally like glass-topped tables, but Thom was a genius to use one to open up the space in the livingarea!

Carson chose great colors but a hodgepodge (yep, I used the word hodgepodge!) of terrible styles. I agree with my_guy_ky that preppy can be overdone. And it should be against the law for any educator, even one who teaches finger painting, to wear "patch on the elbow" jackets! This guy was exotic enough in his looks and hairstyle that he would have elevated a more conservative look with the right color accents. And with this guy's, shall we say, unusual personality, he did not need the eclectic clothes. I don't want to get into a big race conversation, but if Carson was trying to dress him for success, there is more leeway for white guys in style as in everything else. But dressing for pity may help with the ladies.. From the looks of things, he may have gained a kitchen and lost a lady..

All in all, an entertaining show. But I much preferred last weeks SG! This guy had attractive eyes also, but was completely clueless and self-absorbed. A dud. But the Fab Five make the show and they shined as always!
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Re: So, where's the comment site? [Re: notevayas]
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what's with all the killing on a show latey I can't take it I went veg a long time ago no more they should make over a vegan

I liked what they did with his hair I did't think he'd go short. it worked much much better with his curls

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What or Who else got killed on QE?

I dunno.. I'm thinking alone on a deserted island.. James might come in handy with his detemination to put lunch in the pot. We'd just have to find something more productive for him to do with his mouth.
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Mmkay... finally a thread for this episode. I do not know where to start with what I thought of this episode.
I guess I'll start with his hair, since it was extremely tragic before he got it cut. But, I cannot really say anything because I have wavy hair that used to be very curly and it is very frizzy, pretty much like Jim's was. Also, for the product line that Kyan told him to use, I use it sometimes on my hair.
For the cooking, since Jim did not really tell Ted that his girlfriend did not like seafood before they were actually cooking it after everything was bought, I guess, I do not blame Ted for that. The lobster thing was sad. I guess, to eat it, you have to kill it, but cutting into it while it is alive, that just seems wrong to me. But, I do not know if this is bad, but I found the part where the Fab Five were freaking out hilarious. Not that I liked what he was doing to the lobster or anything... But, the food looked good, even though I do not eat seafood often.
For the home, it looked so much better. I thought Thom and the people that helped him did an especially nice job on the kitchen, even though the whole apartment was tragic before. And I thought the lines of paint thing that made the shelves disppear into the room was interesting.
For the clothes, I liked the layered look the most. Maybe it is just because I like layering clothes myself, but it looked cool, in my opinion.
And for Jai's part of it, I think it was good that he did something that was supposed to relax Jim and his girlfriend. Jim talked way too much, in my opinion. And I liked the Haiku idea.
However, at the end, I was starting to get annoyed with his baby talk or whatever. No offense to him; I just think that is not the right way to talk to his girlfriend. Also, maybe that was just her personality, but I think the girlfriend, Lauren, I think, needed to lighten up a little. It would help show Jim that she was appreciating what he was doing for her more. But, maybe she was seasick. I could not tell because she was that way when she first went into the apartment. *shrugs* But, that is just my opinion.
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I'd rather not dwell on what happened to that poor lobster....suffice it to say I think Ted overestimated Jim's talent as a chef and as a result caused needless suffering. I love Ted, but I think the other guys gave him the verbal and physical pummelling that he deserved for his misjudgement.

On a more pleasant note, Jim's sisters were adorable. They had the enthusiastic response that Jim's "make-better" deserved, especially the transformation of the apartment. Thom, do you ever get tired of being called a genius? The man is amazing and I loved the way he displayed the book about Che on the bookshelf so the camera picked it up. It made me think a little more highly of Jim.....that there's more to him than hair, sloppiness, and baby talk.

In a previous post on another thread, I think notey (?) said that the relaxing bath could have been achieved at home. Ummmmm.....you want to help me carry the 800 lbs of epsom salts into the bathroom? You haven't seen my tub, but it's rather small....I wouldn't be able to float freely even if I did manage to get the tempurature of the water to match my skin temperature. But who cares? Let's grab our drinkies and head for the hot tub...that's more my style anyway!

Lauren?......Lauren?.......(crickets chirping).......

Obviously Lauren has checked out of this relationship already. I think they're both just waiting for the other one to pronounce the time of death. Jim even alluded to the fact that they each wait for the other to make a decision out of fear that any decision they make will be criticized by the other. He was talking about places to go and things to do on a date, but I think it carries over into larger relationship issues.

That sailboat (schooner?) was gorgeous! How could anyone not be enthused at sailing around New York harbor, passing the Statue of Liberty, seeing that skyline and all the feelings it evokes? My apologies to Lauren if, in fact, she WAS sea sick (that's a horrible feeling!), but I think her heart just wasn't into the date.
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In Jim's defense, he TOLD Ted that Lauren didn't care for fish, so in a way the faux pas is Ted's (oh, SHUT MY MOUTH!) and Jim just followed orders.
Also, I felt a little badly for Lauren. Maybe she WAS feeling green on the boat. She was a trouper to eat the fish if she doesn't care for fish. And, while she had commented that Jim talked too much, I think she was overwhealmed when he lobbed the ball into her court so abruptly. After all, we may not like all our significant other's idiosyncrasies, but we are USED to them!
And in his defense, while he sounded condescending with the 'baby talk', he was ALSO in a new place of trying to get her to talk more.
Now, I would agree, that the air around the two of them felt pretty cold from the moment Lauren came into the apartment, but again, we had just seen the sisters' effusiveness.




Also, in Ted's defense, Jim never explicitly said "Oh, Lauren doesn't like seafood." What he said was that he was excited about trying to get her over her fear of salmon and caviar, which makes me think that he knew all along that she didn't like the food he was making, but he did it anyway, because *he* liked it. Although the thought of Ted browbeating Jim into making a lobster roll is pretty dang funny.




I watched it again last night, since we were having a situation the night it was on and I kept missing things - and you are so right to defend Ted - Jim waited till Ted was working with him in his apartment to even mention Lauren wasn't wild about seafood. Little late by then, Jim!! NOT Ted's fault!!!! I sure didn't remember hearing Jim say that she didn't like seafood, so I'm happy about that.

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I don't know. I liked Jim very much until he started talking to his girlfriend like she was four years old, and then lecturing her when she didn't respond the way he wanted. And I can see how a typically shy, reserved person would be uncomfortable in front of a bunch of cameras, not to mention going somewhere unfamiliar, but Lauren...I honestly couldn't tell whether she was seasick or not, because she kept the same disinterested, blank expression on her face from the moment she saw the apartment until the very end. She and Jim seemed so different that it was hard to believe that they'd been together for almost three years. It wasn't that they weren't on the same page, they weren't even in the same book.

On a happier note, Thom destroying the ugly kitchen made me laugh like a drain.




They were an odd pair. I'm very quiet in person myself, and honestly people who never shut up get on my nerves. Then again, she was very uncommunicative when he'd ask her things directly. Perhaps they're just mis-matched. You'd think as long as QE has been on, though, she'd know what she was in for and make an effort to be more appreciative.

I bet the sisters got him on the show.

And I loved Thom destroying the kitchen. That was lots of fun.
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I'd rather not dwell on what happened to that poor lobster....suffice it to say I think Ted overestimated Jim's talent as a chef and as a result caused needless suffering. I love Ted, but I think the other guys gave him the verbal and physical pummelling that he deserved for his misjudgement.




Oh, my god - - I don't think I'll ever be able to face a lobster again after seeing that. Not that I often find myself dining on lobster, but....EWWWWWWWWWW. I'm like Simon the British Guy - I'd be having trouble just handling the dead giant prawns, let alone slaughtering a live lobster.

Ted looked pretty horrified too. I bet he doesn't try that again.
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Obviously Lauren has checked out of this relationship already. I think they're both just waiting for the other one to pronounce the time of death. Jim even alluded to the fact that they each wait for the other to make a decision out of fear that any decision they make will be criticized by the other. He was talking about places to go and things to do on a date, but I think it carries over into larger relationship issues.





My husband used to be really bad about insisting I make a decision about something we were going to do, and then getting mad and blaming me for not picking what he REALLY wanted to do after it was too late. So I can sympathize with her about that. I think it's a larger issue here too, though - I liked both of them individually, but together it just did not seem to be working.
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I'd rather not dwell on what happened to that poor lobster....suffice it to say I think Ted overestimated Jim's talent as a chef and as a result caused needless suffering. I love Ted, but I think the other guys gave him the verbal and physical pummelling that he deserved for his misjudgement.




Oh, my god - - I don't think I'll ever be able to face a lobster again after seeing that. Not that I often find myself dining on lobster, but....EWWWWWWWWWW. I'm like Simon the British Guy - I'd be having trouble just handling the dead giant prawns, let alone slaughtering a live lobster.

Ted looked pretty horrified too. I bet he doesn't try that again.




You can look at this another way that might make you feel better about eating lobster. Lobsters live a pretty normal life until they are caught, and James was no rougher than an animal predator from the wild would be.
Maybe we should save our pity for animals bred in captivity who never have freedom and sometimes live in misery until they are (hopefully more gently) put out of their misery.
I save my compassion for my own species first. There are so many children suffering starvation and disease and mistreatment and sometimes it seems like the money and attention lavished on animals (in the United States especially) is obscene in the light of that reality.
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Obviously Lauren has checked out of this relationship already. I think they're both just waiting for the other one to pronounce the time of death. Jim even alluded to the fact that they each wait for the other to make a decision out of fear that any decision they make will be criticized by the other. He was talking about places to go and things to do on a date, but I think it carries over into larger relationship issues.





My husband used to be really bad about insisting I make a decision about something we were going to do, and then getting mad and blaming me for not picking what he REALLY wanted to do after it was too late. So I can sympathize with her about that. I think it's a larger issue here too, though - I liked both of them individually, but together it just did not seem to be working.



You and tomasulo are probably more sensitive to the nuances here than I. I agree that I sense no great love between these two and my criticism of James/Jim was mainly as a host.
I listened to Ted's podcast and what he says does back up your sense of things more than my initial impression. Even forgetting the fiasco of seafood on the sailboat, I do admit that Lauren showed precious little enthusiasm for James' new kitchen and apartment decor, while his sister with the cute short pixie haircut was obviously very happy for him.
I live in Massachusetts where people are much more reserved and so I give the benefit of the doubt, but this may be a case of two self-absorbed people who have never really connected in their hearts.
I know how it feels to be in love and I have endured many a boatride that has made me queasy, but if by some chance we were caught on camera, though we wouldn't be touching, we would be aware of each other and using eye contact even if it was just to roll our eyes at each other. Maybe if those two were actually sailing themselves, instead of sitting on some huge boat with nothing to do, they would have had more fun. Or at least Jai could have taught James how to braid a Turks Head anklet on her ankle to keep James occupied and focused on Lauren while they cruised. Just a thought.
notevayas
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I'd rather not dwell on what happened to that poor lobster....suffice it to say I think Ted overestimated Jim's talent as a chef and as a result caused needless suffering. I love Ted, but I think the other guys gave him the verbal and physical pummelling that he deserved for his misjudgement.




Oh, my god - - I don't think I'll ever be able to face a lobster again after seeing that. Not that I often find myself dining on lobster, but....EWWWWWWWWWW. I'm like Simon the British Guy - I'd be having trouble just handling the dead giant prawns, let alone slaughtering a live lobster.

Ted looked pretty horrified too. I bet he doesn't try that again.





Yeah. That was horrible. But he did say that that was apparently the more "humane" way of killing it, so I would hate to see what the less humane way of killing it is. =
Lizard
alynsfan
i guess i agree that the baby talk was starting to get on my nerves but none of that was ted's fault. jim should have said that she didn't like fish. but that chick lauren was just unbelievable!!! she totally acted like she didn't care that jim was trying to do something nice for her. that's so rude!!!
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I'd rather not dwell on what happened to that poor lobster....suffice it to say I think Ted overestimated Jim's talent as a chef and as a result caused needless suffering. I love Ted, but I think the other guys gave him the verbal and physical pummelling that he deserved for his misjudgement.




Oh, my god - - I don't think I'll ever be able to face a lobster again after seeing that. Not that I often find myself dining on lobster, but....EWWWWWWWWWW. I'm like Simon the British Guy - I'd be having trouble just handling the dead giant prawns, let alone slaughtering a live lobster.

Ted looked pretty horrified too. I bet he doesn't try that again.




You can look at this another way that might make you feel better about eating lobster. Lobsters live a pretty normal life until they are caught, and James was no rougher than an animal predator from the wild would be.
Maybe we should save our pity for animals bred in captivity who never have freedom and sometimes live in misery until they are (hopefully more gently) put out of their misery.
I save my compassion for my own species first. There are so many children suffering starvation and disease and mistreatment and sometimes it seems like the money and attention lavished on animals (in the United States especially) is obscene in the light of that reality.
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Oh, I agree. And that's a very good point - I'm sure had the lobster been ripped apart by a... whatever eats lobster in the sea.... it would have been even worse for him. Or her. Or whatever it is.
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I live in Massachusetts where people are much more reserved and so I give the benefit of the doubt, but this may be a case of two self-absorbed people who have never really connected in their hearts.
I know how it feels to be in love and I have endured many a boatride that has made me queasy, but if by some chance we were caught on camera, though we wouldn't be touching, we would be aware of each other and using eye contact even if it was just to roll our eyes at each other. Maybe if those two were actually sailing themselves, instead of sitting on some huge boat with nothing to do, they would have had more fun. Or at least Jai could have taught James how to braid a Turks Head anklet on her ankle to keep James occupied and focused on Lauren while they cruised. Just a thought.
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My husband and I would be the same as you and your guy - we're not physically demonstrative in public. When we got married everyone made fun of us because at the "you may now kiss the bride!" part, we had this kiss that lasted about 0.00025 seconds and then we rushed back down the aisle like the podium was afire. It WAS pretty funny.

You may be right about them being alone on the boat too. And the ...ummmm....anklet!!
floatingbeaver
Hi, long time lurker (very long time...all the way back to Butch) posting for the very first time. So, please bear with my bumbles; anything technological notoriously despises me.

I suppose I've been persuaded out of "lurkage" by summer boredom (I'm a Senior attending university), but also by Jim. I, too, had a mixed reaction, to both Lauren and Jim. Firstly, he seemed like a congenial and very nice young man, but would drive me to distraction with his constant verbiage.As for Lauren...at first, I sympathized with her; I, for most of my life, was very shy. But, she began to annoy me with her continual standoffishness. It seems to me like she and Jim just might not be a great match.

As for the lobster...
Am I the only one who was...surprised and shocked at the reaction? I just know that to eat meat, death inevitably occurs somewhere down the line (hopefully...)

(Warning: skip the next paragraph if you're sqeamish)

I've lived on a beef farm, seen pigs slaughtered, fished, seen untold horrors waiting for my nurse mother at the hospital. My old roommate wants to go into forensics; therefore dissecting a pig in our basement for a month. And...perhaps scariest of all...I've worked in Cleveland's inner city school district.

Therefore, as a final note, I'd like to applaud Jim's work as a special education teacher and say that I understand his slip into "baby talk." Very often, I catch myself in "teacher mode" and have to give myself a mental shake. (On further note, though, as someone who has worked with special needs kids, one shouldn't really speak baby talk to them. They're people, and can get just as annoyed as Lauren or the Fab 5. Just to clarify a point).

So, thanks for reading,if you made it this far. I look forward to reading everyone else's posts.
tomasulo
Welcome, floatingbeaver......(interesting name...dare I ask?)

I think the reactions to the lobster incident were quite diverse among the posters here, but I agreed with the Fab 5 that it was too hard to watch. Jim wasn't capable of performing the task the way the French chef showed him. Even when he was attempting it with the chef looking on, you could hear the chef urging him to do it faster. It wasn't the sight of spurting guts that bothered me. I'm not squeamish (I took Marine Biology in college and worked for a marine biologist for 6 years before taking my present job), but I think we have an obligation to try not to cause a slow, unnecessarily torurous death to a living creature if it is at all possible. Kharma can bite you in the butt....remember the weekend warrior from Survivor who brutally killed a pig (not for "survival" but as part of a t.v. show...for "entertainment"). He later fell in the fire and was too badly burned to continue as a "contestant". Talk about your "bad juju"!

Having said that.......you won't find much bad juju on this board. We're the sweetest, fuzziest bunch you've ever passed the bong with.....oops....I mean, the nicest bunch you'll ever hope to post with. Hope you stick around!
nycgrl007
Jim's Girlfriend deserved a crack....What a B**ch.
These girls are unreal it's amazing they find guys to put up with them...She showed no enthusiasm at all about the apartment or Jim..She is extremely unsupportive, Jim go find a real Woman who will support you and be there for you!
I hope she got sea sick
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Jim's Girlfriend deserved a crack....What a B**ch.
These girls are unreal it's amazing they find guys to put up with them...She showed no enthusiasm at all about the apartment or Jim..She is extremely unsupportive, Jim go find a real Woman who will support you and be there for you!
I hope she got sea sick





....um....that's a teensy bit harsh......but welcome, nycgrl007. I think my main complaint with Lauren (and Jim) was that they didn't seem to appreciate that fabulous schooner. I'm not a New Yorker but how can you sail past the Statue of Liberty, or even more inconceivable to me, how can you see that wounded yet still beautiful skyline and not show some sort of emotion? Have some people become immune to it because it's part of their daily lives? Everyone is entitled to their opinion so pull up a comfy chair, get cozy, and have a Lemon Drop Martini with me. Let's get out the nail polish and paint each others toes....see!...aren't we a fun bunch?
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion so pull up a comfy chair, get cozy, and have a Lemon Drop Martini with me. Let's get out the nail polish and paint each others toes....see!...aren't we a fun bunch?



I know this wasn't directed at me, but I want to say, nobody's painting my toe nails! I do, however, like the sound of the martini.
kyansutra
I posted some comments on the Fan Forum board but will add a few more here now that it's up.

Okay, maybe I will give the SG some slack and say maybe she was seasick cause watching it again that water was pretty choppy. And I know some people that are not that demonstrative and they care for each other very much. I'm kind of in the middle myself!

I also would like to add that Thom's work was wonderful! I was really impressed by the kitchen. And then him tearing off the cabinet doors and the SG couldn't do it! Bet all the Thom Wives liked that show of muscle from their man!

Prep look on the guys didn't really bother me all that much but I didn't really care for Carson's look at the loft-I'm still sighing over him in that suit from the Hector episode!

Well, the next episode is the nudist episode-and ahem Carson looks like he is wearing no clothes-I could like that wardrobe there-just have to make sure that I have a cold bucket of ice nearby!
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Yeah. That was horrible. But he did say that that was apparently the more "humane" way of killing it, so I would hate to see what the less humane way of killing it is. =
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I think the chef meant the "more humane" way of killing the lobster is doing it quick and easy. What Jim did definitely wasn't quick, and it didn't look to easy (on him or the lobster or the Fab Five!) either.
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Jim's Girlfriend deserved a crack....What a B**ch.
These girls are unreal it's amazing they find guys to put up with them...She showed no enthusiasm at all about the apartment or Jim..She is extremely unsupportive, Jim go find a real Woman who will support you and be there for you!
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....um....that's a teensy bit harsh......but welcome, nycgrl007. I think my main complaint with Lauren (and Jim) was that they didn't seem to appreciate that fabulous schooner. I'm not a New Yorker but how can you sail past the Statue of Liberty, or even more inconceivable to me, how can you see that wounded yet still beautiful skyline and not show some sort of emotion? Have some people become immune to it because it's part of their daily lives? Everyone is entitled to their opinion so pull up a comfy chair, get cozy, and have a Lemon Drop Martini with me. Let's get out the nail polish and paint each others toes....see!...aren't we a fun bunch?




I sympathize with the desensitization of people when you have been living in one place for a long time... I have been in Alaska all my life (all 15 years! lol) and except for the occasional sunset (has to be in August or else you have to wait 'til 2 am) or rainstorm, I'm pretty bored with the scenery. It doesn't help that where I live is the ugliest place in the world - there is no zoning, and every thing is box-shaped. Not even the cute little trees planted in the islands of a road that I see all the time when visiting the outside!
cleovictory
Greetings all: I'm new the to boards.

I'm a fan from way back (Butch S.) and I love to watch the episodes over and over -- they resemble Robert Altman films in that the lines come at you so quickly and the overlapping is so dense that on the third or fourth viewing you hear little side remarks that you missed the first few times.

Throughout the seasons, I've noticed is that the Five are very hard on women who do not jump up and down and squeal with joy over their handiwork, particularly with this episode. Granted, Lauren's response was very cool (not even room temperature). I was glad, however, to hear one of the Five (Thom) concede that she may have been seasick. Has it occurred to any of them that she might have also been camera shy? I have wondered this about some of the other girlfriends who failed to levitate over the Fab One's makeovers such as the infamous Taebe and the little girl in the white jacket who came from to stay with the Baseball Announcer -- can't remember either name. Ms WhiteJacket did come off as sullen -- but it also seemed from the way she hung her head that she might also have been intensely shy, not to mention uncomfortable at meeting her e-beau for the first time. I used to meet men through a pen pal club and believe me, that first meeting, especially after you have been sharing confidences on paper, is NOT easy, especially when you realize (as I usually did) that in person, there is ZERO chemistry between the two of you. Plus the fact that she had just gotten in from California and from the airport and presumably was very tired. And she did not have the advantage of knowing just how ghastly that particular apartment had been before Thom worked his magic. She failed the jump and squeal test and apparently, that's all that mattered.

This doesn't have a lot to do with the current episode, which I liked a lot -- it was like the earlier ones: clueless but sweet guy with grungy apartment. As for the baby-talk, it did not seem to me as though he was talking down to her. He sounded to me like some one who expected resistance -- which he got.

how I do run on... Looking forward to the nudist!

I also wonder how they choose the Straight Guys -- is there some process whereby they weed out the ones who are likely to resist their suggestions? Lately, the Straight Guys have been docile to the point where I cannot tell them apart. I like to see a bit of resistance because it makes it a little interesting and I suspect that Ted sometimes makes the cooking assignment into an obstacle course (as Kyan once said) for the same reason -- it's better TV when things go absolutely to pieces! And having said that, I have to admit that I left the room during the lobster segment, or should I say segmentation. I just waited for the screaming to die down and then I came back. (I can't even watch the cat play with a fake mouse.)
notevayas
Good Morning cleovictory! What does your name mean?

You mention a comparison to Robert Altman directed movies..
It's true that most episodes of Queer Eye have those layers.. I used to often label my episode posts "first impressions" because I did not tape the episodes and would just be posting on the general "feel" of the show. The comparison with Altman's films is spot on! The first time I watch an Altman film I do not try to follow every tangent, I just experience it as a "happening" and let the movie carry me along. All the tangents are not vital to the plot, just as in real life not everything is immediately significant, but looking back, or reliving or reviewing the film, things tie in more. The film "Gosford Park" was like that.
As for your comments about the Fab Five being "hard on women", I reluctantly agree. At first I thought it was simply that they were privy to facts not on film. Queer Eye is an editing creation as much as anything, but now I suspect that it is mostly an attempt to add "drama". QE is not scripted, but I think sometimes "roles" are assigned based on the film used.
In the case of Taebe and in the case of Emily, my posts did defend the girl somewhat. In the case of Taebe though, she did contact the show on behalf of her boyfriend, and should have been more of a "sport". But Ted's hot Morroccan take-out and "tart" for a girl who liked sweets, seemed designed to challenge her patience. Her James was a great typical clueless SG (straight guy) though, and his "resistance" was fun to watch! When Carson and Thom threw his couch off the patio and he sort of threw his hands up in the air and gave up.. I was in hysterics laughing.
I had more sympathy with Emily as you did. I have imagined meeting people in real life that I have spilled my guts out to over the internet, and I have stressed out just from imagining it nevermind flying across the country alone to spend weeks with an intimate stranger! And in that episode Kyan mentions several times to the Baseball Announcer, "Dude we're getting you laid." which was cool until I noticed how young and insecure Emily looked underneath her punkish bravado.
But I will warn you cleovictory, you get mucho flak here by defending the ladies. If the straight guy is anywhere near cute, you get quite a few girls who seem to come out of the woodwork to diss the girlfriend and proclaim the straight guy a saint. It's pathetic really. They mostly sound like they're saying "choose me!" "choose me!" and desperation is soooo Unattractive.
Everyone knows that the straight guy has the advantage. Nobody can love or trust a real "player" (male or female), but even as a guy, I learned from my mother that to keep a man slightly off-balance now and then is good for a relationship. Doormats are boring and tend to get walked on!

So yeah, there seems to be a "jump and squeal" test, which is a bit much to expect as the girl doesn't get but a filmed date. The tens of thousands in goods and services goes to the guy. The mothers and wives naturally jump and squeal more as they share in the goodies.

How they choose the straight guy seems to be changing. At first they were less picky, yet still gave us fun guys with lots of "resistance" and some definite "eye candy". I have read that a few were too resistant, and that was edited out. Obviously, five exceptional guys giving expertise and free stuff to a guy over three days would always garner enough happy/funny moments to make 45 minutes of teevee bolstered by "family and friends" comments and "hip tips". And even when the guy was a big dud, just the Fab 5 messing around the apartment/stores could carry the show! And then if they found a cute "mama"(Greek guy) "wife" or children.. more good teevee..
The lawyer who burned his toupee.. a breakthrough show!
I enjoy both the single clueless guys and the families where there is a genuine need. The shows I least like are the ones where it is obvious there is little need except for self promotion and free stuff (like Mr. Handbag designer). But "need" does not necessarily have to mean "poor". Once in a while, shows with the Zimmermans (ice skaters), and other families of means are a treat when they share a bit of themselves. An example is "Ghostbeard" and his music and carving. And he was easy on the eyes also!

Now I have read that Queer Eye has upped their standards a bit. They are looking for men who have done some good in their lives and need a boost. Since the "prize" is so costly, I agree that it "grates" when the recipient may be somewhat "lacking", I worry because I don't want the show to go "Extreem Makeover". <zzzzzzz...>

Any show where I can't laugh when Carson finds the guys "Snugfits" (small condoms) better be majorly uplifting though!
notevayas
floatingbeaver
Sorry it took so long to respond. A death in the family kept me away from the computer.

Thanks for the welcome...and about the name...ha ha... well, my Worse Half and I both took an online test and Floating Beaver came up as my "perfect name", making us both crack up.

About the Fab 5's perhaps unrealistic expectations of the women...I don't know. Sometimes I think they are very difficult on the girlfriends, especially when they fail to fill the jumping and screaming role. It's interesting to see that even though the show is dedicated partly to reducing narrow viewpoints, there are still certain aspects of the show that bother me a little. Even the premise of the show (the culturally sophistacated gay guy helping the slob straight man). I remember that Lisa (the blond girlfriend) cursed, and garnered a negative reaction from the guys, but I can't recall a guy ever getting chastised for it. I might be sensitive to this, though, because I'm not very feminine. And, between my guy and I, I'm probably the one needs the Fab 5 more, as I'm clueless in the fashion department, hate to shop, haven't gotten a hair cut in five years, and am not a fan of food. Just interesting to note that everyone has preconceived notions of gender, and should try to be senistive to that.
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Sorry it took so long to respond. A death in the family kept me away from the computer.

Thanks for the welcome...and about the name...ha ha... well, my Worse Half and I both took an online test and Floating Beaver came up as my "perfect name", making us both crack up.






I'm so sorry to hear about a death in your family - my condolences are with you.

Do you still have the link to the online test? I'd love to take it!
cleovictory
Cleo Victory is a self-chosen pseudonym that dates back to 1970, when my main ambition in life was to be a superheroine with high cheekbones and the ability to fly around, solving problems for people. I figured that I needed was the right name and the superhero skills would automatically kick in ... right. Ludicrous to imagine myself flying through the air when I pause to consider how nervous I am about heights. Nowadays, the name is ironic. O, well. Always liked the name though and now that I have entered the magical land of Internet, the old nickname comes in handy.

Thanks for your observations. I've noticed they're doing a lot more "do good" shows such as the episode with the soldier leaving his wife Maria for Iraq which still brings on the tears. I wonder how that man is doing? If he makes it home alive and well, I hope to God they do a follow-up show.

Yes, the wife would have more of a vested interest in the loot than a mere girlfriend might. And sure, it's all product placement, but they do it so skillfully and amusingly that I hardly notice a thing. Would that my dentist was that subtle.

Am I the only one who notices that Thom paints stripes on the walls a lot? I realize that's due to a dearth of Art. I wish they'd find someone with a lot of framed pictures -- that might present a challenge. I also notice he tends to use a shade of tomato (or perhaps I should say Thomato) red-orange a great deal. I'd also love to see what Thom would do with someone who owned a ton of knickknacks that were actually worth KEEPING. The closest they came to this situation was with Kevin, the comedian who lived in the Maison de Mold in Brooklyn.

how I prattle. New episode tomorrow night, oh joy!
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I'd also love to see what Thom would do with someone who owned a ton of knickknacks that were actually worth KEEPING. The closest they came to this situation was with Kevin, the comedian who lived in the Maison de Mold in Brooklyn.

how I prattle. New episode tomorrow night, oh joy!






I'd love to see Thom turned loose in my in-law's house. They have been going to flea markets and garage sales and Salvation Army shops for twenty years or more, collecting all sorts of bizarre and often valuable stuff. Their house looks a lot like Kevin D's. You can barely turn around without running into a pie safe or a quilt rack or a stack of carnival glass they got for a quarter. I'd love to see the good stuff weeded out from the total junk, and the house (which is nearly 100 years old itself) transformed into what it COULD be. Instead of a creepy dark dusty house of horrors.
tomasulo
Cleo Victory: Welcome! Glad you've decided to join us! May I offer you a drink? I'm having an Irish coffee...but don't tell my boss. I believe Thom often uses the effect of stripes on the walls to help small apartments (seems to be a NYC epidemic) look larger and make the rooms sort of flow into each other. Also, Thom has mentioned that it helps as a decorating option when the SG doesn't have much in the way of art on his walls.

raindog: Thom and I will be dropping by your in-laws' house this weekend...I'd LOVE to rummage through their stuff! Please ask them to get the crudites and martinis ready!
Octavia
The bartender at the resturant I work at used to raid the trash by the curb anytime someone just finished with a yardsale; some of the things used to have the price tags still on them. He would scour the papers on the weekends looking for yardsale ads for weeks, and then when he got enough crap, he would have a yardsale on his own, and sell everything he took. Pure profit. Pure genuis is more like it. I've never been a fan of trash picking, but I had to hand it to him. Buying things I don't need though...I'm a fan of that.

Quick question to anyone who may have the answer. There was a recipe given...perhaps it was last season, for a white wine sangria with organic pomegranate juice, grapes, and oranges...and maybe apples. It was fabulous, and I wanted to make it, but I don't exactly remember what went into it! Besides that, I cannot find it in any of the recipe archives! I've sent a message to Ted and the Fab Five, but for time's sake, does anyone else remember this? Please share with me and ease my mind; it's been driving me crazy.
design_daddy
Was THOMY eating out of a bag of cereal?
My favorite moments were when THOMY was under that glass table and when he was throwing those firecracker sparklers.
What was it that Ted said to THOMY? ..."You're really complex..."
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raindog: Thom and I will be dropping by your in-laws' house this weekend...I'd LOVE to rummage through their stuff! Please ask them to get the crudites and martinis ready!




Oh, cool - I'll be there!
JAIMAX
I DON'T KNOW WHAT MADE ME MORE SICK, JIM'S BABY TALK OR HER TOTAL LACK OF APPRECIATION. TO ME IF YOU ARE GIVEN THE THINGS THEY WERE GIVEN, AT LEAST FAKE LIKE YOUR EXCITED!
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