BravoBoardBoss
July 12, 2005 - 05:46 PM
Well, how did you think the Fab Five did with its first ever nudist? Discuss it all right here!
KCee
July 12, 2005 - 07:52 PM
Oh my ... what do you want to bet that in further re-airing of this episode, there are some added pixels. LOL. And, this may be the first episode where the guys were rather speechless afterwards. And, yeah, so was I.
Anyway, Jim seemed like a really cool guy. As far as the nudity thing goes - not my thing, but to each his own. Loved how he cares enough about his Mom's feelings, though. That's nice.
He looked fantastic after the haircut & beard trim. And, yeah, if you're going to show a lot of skin, you have to take care of it! Surprised Kyan didn't recommend some body lotions & such, but perhaps he did. Never seen those gloves or footies before though. I could use those in the winter.
Loved the new glasses & he really looked good in a tux. I liked how Carson described which tuxes went with each body type. I think I've seen some shorter guys try those wide tip lapels, and now I know why it didn't work.
Thom showed his genius as usual. Frosting the windows, blinds that go up instead of down! Very clever - and very appropriate!
Taking Jim to the art galleries was interesting. The body is an art form after all.
Loved the drinks. I'll have to try them! I love rum anyway.
OK, now the interesting stuff ... I've never seen Thom so freaked out! I think the whole thing rather unnerved him. LOL. Kyan & Ted just seemed rather amused. LOL. I can't believe Carson went nude! I loved it when the guys locked him outside. And, Jai with his fig leaf - or three. Wonder what ever happened to those pictures!
And, Jai had the funniest line of the season as they were running out to the car, "Can't we just slow down for once?"
Superannualted
July 12, 2005 - 08:09 PM
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I think I had more fun watching this episode than the Fab Five did making it! At least my laughter was in genuine fun not and not judgmental of other peoples' life style like theirs seemed to be. As a member of the same minority as they are, I felt that they were the proverbial people throwing stones in a glass house.
While I can understand not being comfortable with semi-public nudity I wonder that they can be upset by it -- especially the dancing. It's almost as embarrassing to me as straight people who are shocked by two men dancing together.
I think the SG cleaned up really well. While he's no Adonis, with the make-better he was quite presentable. I liked what Thom did to the patio and his thoughtful "modesty" of the porch treatment if not the furniture -- too cold for my taste. I thought Jai's introduction to the human body as art was a healthy perspective. Too bad there was no follow through -- just fun poked at people at their own expense.
Carson is incorrigible -- which is fun -- totally ready to do anything for a laugh. I thought the funniest part was not meant to be that way. There were the SG, Carson and Jai, more or less nude in the hot tub with the others dangling their tootsies in the whirlpool with their pants rolled up -- an uncompromising compromise if I ever saw one.
Now, that’s just a first impression. Tomorrow, after I get some sleep, perhaps I’ll feel differently.
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cleovictory
July 12, 2005 - 08:21 PM
I must say, Carson has a nice even tan.
And the nudist guy? I liked his outfit.
That may be the only nude joke they didn't make. But how I laughed to see the Fab Ones flustered for a change! (waitaminute ... I don't think there were any birthday suit remarks ... what remarkable restraint.) All that quippage was from embarrassment I guess ... the Fab Five embarrassed! Imagine!
I was a bit annoyed at the end when the Five watched the clothing-optional part of the party because they were so plainly grossed-out by what might be called the less-than-Penthouse quality of the bodies on display. These guys ALL need to take a life drawing class (a nice touch, by the way ... even if Jai opted for the fig leaves. No naked jaibird HE.) What I meant by the life drawing class comment ... I took one a few summers ago and it was an amazing experience. First -- if the professor tells you "Five minutes for this pose," you are NOT thinking "omigawd, he's nekkid", you are thinking "omigawd, gotta start drawing RIGHT NOW." It takes a lot of the awkwardness out of the situation immediately. Furthermore, these were not bodies by Playboy or Marvel comics -- just drab ordinary people like the ones at the party. And the best thing I learned from this class was that if you really take time and pay respectful attention -- everyone is beautiful. The Fabs are so good at finding ways to bring out the beauty hidden in unkempt, shabbily dressed people and their cluttered homes -- it was a bit disappointing to see them fall into the how-dare-they-be-naked-if-they-don't-having-perfect-bodies attitude.
So ... am I planning to become a nudist? HELL, NO.
Yes, Mister Natural did say "nude" quite a bit. It reminded me of the three gay men that I know, who all came out fairly late in life (ages 24, 30, and 39). Each one of them went through a spell of using the word "gay" in every other sentence ... and the older the person, the longer that spell lasted. It was sort of touching and tiresome at the same time. And understandable.
I liked the SG -- I like furry hobbit-like men. And he seemed so unflappable; well, maybe not because how could you tell with the image all broken up into little squares. (oh Lord, now I'm making the nude jokes. Say your prayers and go to bed, mz victory.)
I think he should have kept the bowtie on.
KCee
July 12, 2005 - 08:31 PM
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I think I had more fun watching this episode than the Fab Five did making it! At least my laughter was in genuine fun not and not judgmental of other peoples' life style like theirs seemed to be. As a member of the same minority as they are, I felt that they were the proverbial people throwing stones in a glass house.
While I can understand not being comfortable with semi-public nudity I wonder that they can be upset by it -- especially the dancing. It's almost as embarrassing to me as straight people who are shocked by two men dancing together. ... **********************************************
Hmmmmm. Now, I didn't see their reactions as being judgemental or upset. If you remember the conversation at the salon, Kyan said he totally related to how people prejudge. I saw their reactions as more amused, bemused, and probably a bit baffled. I guess if it is a case of glass houses, it shows that these guys are just as human as anyone else about something they're not familiar with.
One thing I thought was good is that for whatever they felt about the nudist lifestyle, they didn't try to change him. If anything, they helped him embrace it. (Much to the probably chagrin of Jim's mother. LOL)
notevayas
July 12, 2005 - 09:00 PM
I agree KCee! Jim was cool!
And Carson was cool for doing his streak and chasing the other guys around the house! Man is he gorgeous or what!
Jim and his friends I respect for being so comfortable to be naked on tv. I am only naked in my house with a robe within reach. But it's a great feeling, and not about sex at all.
Carson was so right to focus on accessories. Jim looked great in his new glasses! I am not so interested in evening wear, so I wish Carson had given him a luxurious embroidered robe to slip out of! I have a shirt collection AND a robe collection. Most guys don't need eveningwear more than once or twice a year.
Thom gave Jim a great deck and jacuzzi, but I wasn't into his house decor at all. It didn't seem suited to Jim. This guy is a truck mechanic, not a Ken doll! But poor Thom seemed distracted anyway.. Buck up Thom! Other people would be just as weirded out watching gay people party but they get over it.. It takes all kinds (including sizes and shapes) to make up the world..
Kyan did a great job with the hair and skin. I would buy those gloves and socks if I could find them online. No way am I going to a salon and buying them. See, I have hang-ups too!
Ted loves to mix drinks and I agree with Jai that the Hemingway one sounded much better. It was so funny when the guy was shaking drinks nude. That would be distracting..
Jai finally had an interesting segment! He makes a gorgeous model except his hair is too short. I am so jealous of him and Carson in the leg department! I can't stop running, but I suspect that even if I did my legs would stay wiry.
Jim was a nice guy with a nice family and a healthy self image. And he and his friends did a good thing in showing us that nudists are not "swingers" or "disreputable" but average people who are more comfortable "as nature intended" than dressed. And who would have guessed that it would be "the Style guru" who would get into that groove the most. Style is really all about attitude, and Carson proved that yet again! He is "The Perfect Man"!
notevayas
P.S. I agree that Jai asking if they could slow down for once was funny. But my vote for the funniest line was "Santa Claus is a nudist!"
nycplaywright
July 12, 2005 - 09:10 PM
Hi, all.
Unlike all of you, I've never seen an episode of this show in my life, including tonight's. But...I am one of the nudists in the party scene, and I just found out it was tonight, after having previously thought it was two weeks away.
I have a question about the Fabulous Five's reactions to the party scene. Do they at least have the decency to refrain from making specific comments about the bodies of specific people? I have to admit I'm getting a little apprehensive about watching it.
And indeed, we're not Baywatch babes and hunks; we're real people. Nudist environments, in fact, attract a lot of people who have lost body parts or have excess weight or in some other way differ from the Hollywood look, because it's not a body beautiful contest, but rather, a social setting there the mutual expectation is respect and acceptance.
Anyway, that's a digression. Were there swipes at specific, recognizable people in the party scene, or just a more general air of bemusement that we weren't the Hollywood crowd?
Thanks so much, and grace and peace to all of you. (I will be watching it later in the week.)
notevayas
July 12, 2005 - 09:51 PM
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... the Fab Five embarrassed! Imagine!
I think there is an attitude, in our society and bolstered by most make-over shows, that you ARE what you wear or where you live, or what you have in your house.
The nudist ethic seems to be that you don't need any of that STUFF to be valid. And you don't need a perfect body from a gym to be valid either. That was the shocker here.
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And the best thing I learned from this class was that if you really take time and pay respectful attention -- everyone is beautiful.
I don't agree that everyone is beautiful in the physical sense. But the nudists don't seem to relate or rank each other based on the physical. It's fascinating that the men were not oogling the women and vice versa. It seemed to be more about FREEDOM and RESPECT with appreciation of the physical in there somewhere, but not the main aspect.
There were some people who were obese and needed to lose weight for health. Hopefully being comfortable with their bodies will give these people the security and motivation to make the changes they should. Shame is not a good motivator for any positive change.
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So ... am I planning to become a nudist? HELL, NO.
Aww! c'mon.. cleovictory! Just take your socks off and let your feet be nudists. It'll grow on you!
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I think he should have kept the bowtie on.
Your bowtie comment made me think of one of my favorite musicals/movie "The Full Monty". Six ordinary out of work guys put on a strip show for money. And they strip to a song that goes "You can keep your hat on.." A bowtie would look cute down there.. maybe at a nudist wedding?
notevayas
LilQueerEyeFan
July 12, 2005 - 10:34 PM
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I have a question about the Fabulous Five's reactions to the party scene. Do they at least have the decency to refrain from making specific comments about the bodies of specific people? I have to admit I'm getting a little apprehensive about watching it.
Well, I agree. I mean, I would never go for the naturalist/nudist lifestyle, but if someone wants to do it, even if they do not have the best body or look hot, they can do whatever they want to, because if it makes them feel comfy, they should do it.
I think the reason why the Five were making so many comments is because they were not used to seeing nudism. If they had seen more people like Jim, who really is not the most attractive person feeling that what he is doing is right for him, they might have not have thought so much of the people being nude.
Just like, they are gay, and there are people who do not even know anyone gay who just think it is nasty because of the screwed up society we are in. But, if those people actually got to know a gay person and hung out with them, they'd see that it is not a bad thing. The same for people like Jim who are nudists, and like I said... not exactly "beautiful".
I think the Five were just not used to seeing people being free like that.
I have to admit, I was laughing, but at the Fab Five's reactions, but not necessarily the nudists.
Lizard
LilQueerEyeFan
July 12, 2005 - 10:53 PM
This episode was rather interesting. However, I think the guys were reacting to much to the fact that they were nude. But, like I said in my above post, I think it was just something they were not used to.
Okay. For the Fab Five's work...
Carson: I liked the tuxedo thing. I thought Jim looked better in clothes, but he can do whatever he wants to. I wonder what Carson did as far as Jim's regular, non-formal clothes.
Thom: I liked the new look, even though a lot of others did not. It really depends on your style. Some people do not like the modern look. I personally have never disliked anything Thom has done. It did not seem to fit the SG, though.
Ted: He did not get to do much in this episode as far as food. Maybe he did, but we did not get to see it. I am 13 years old, so it will be a long time before what he taught the SG in this episode will be useful to me, but maybe, when I'm 21, I'll make something like that.
Kyan: He looked so much better with shorter hair. Long hair works on some guys, but him... NO! At least that is what I thought. Also, I'll have to try the glove and socks thing. I have dry skin and dry hands, so that would be good for me, probably.
Jai: He did not really do that much in this episode either. The tickets to Phantom of the Opera for the daughter were nice. It is always cool how he thinks about what the family members of the SG want too. I wonder what he thought of having to be in the nude with only the leave thingys covering him...
The Party/ "reveal": Okay. I laughed way too hard for what was really going on. But, I was mostly laughing at the Fab Five's reactions, especially Thom's. He seemed very freaked out. It is cool to know there are people out there who can go around nude without worrying what others think and doing that even though people who are not nudists may not want to see them in their birthday suits.
notevayas
July 12, 2005 - 11:37 PM
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Hi, all.
Unlike all of you, I've never seen an episode of this show in my life, including tonight's. But...I am one of the nudists in the party scene, and I just found out it was tonight, after having previously thought it was two weeks away.
I have a question about the Fabulous Five's reactions to the party scene. Do they at least have the decency to refrain from making specific comments about the bodies of specific people? I have to admit I'm getting a little apprehensive about watching it.
And indeed, we're not Baywatch babes and hunks; we're real people. Nudist environments, in fact, attract a lot of people who have lost body parts or have excess weight or in some other way differ from the Hollywood look, because it's not a body beautiful contest, but rather, a social setting there the mutual expectation is respect and acceptance.
Anyway, that's a digression. Were there swipes at specific, recognizable people in the party scene, or just a more general air of bemusement that we weren't the Hollywood crowd?
Thanks so much, and grace and peace to all of you. (I will be watching it later in the week.)
I watched the rerun to answer your question.(and get another peek at Carson)
At the "reveal" Jim again takes the brunt of the negative comments. Ted yells "Don't Squat!" Thom makes lots of comments concerning how nudists will soil the furniture, but Thom is always sort of prissy anyway.
When the party starts, the first three people shown walking in are rated by some of the Fab Five as to if they want to see them naked. The friend with the mustache gets a nay. Two older bearded men walk in and one gets a nay. An overweight woman gets a nay. Carson calls a black guy "chocolate thunder" like he did in the first season with Rob the photo artist. Jai notices that a grandpa is "packing heat", but no one is shown. Ted complains when people start dancing. Carson makes a cellulite comment about cottage cheese and asks where he should send his therapy bill.
Kyan is bemused in his expression but along with Jai makes no negative comment.
Thom and Ted are the most critical, but in the end Ted notices that everyone at the party seems more relaxed and happy without clothes and says "let your freak flag fly".
This quote, is not calling people freaks.. it's sort of a hippy reference to "doing your own thing". I would be curious if anyone knows it's specific origin though..
notevayas
PS. I apologise in advance for any abusive posts. Most of us are well meaning, but a show like this is bound to attract some of the more immature posters. And I don't refer to age, but personality.
rainwish
July 13, 2005 - 02:49 AM
In the re-hash session at the end of the show, one of the Five complains that Jim talked too much about nudity. I don't have official numbers (will have to wait for re-run/rebroadcast to make an exact count) but I think They mentioned nudity more than Jim did. It was just this side of over-kill--all the nude jokes and rhymes, etc.
KCee
July 13, 2005 - 04:03 AM
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Hi, all.
Unlike all of you, I've never seen an episode of this show in my life, including tonight's. But...I am one of the nudists in the party scene, and I just found out it was tonight, after having previously thought it was two weeks away.
I have a question about the Fabulous Five's reactions to the party scene. Do they at least have the decency to refrain from making specific comments about the bodies of specific people? I have to admit I'm getting a little apprehensive about watching it.
And indeed, we're not Baywatch babes and hunks; we're real people. Nudist environments, in fact, attract a lot of people who have lost body parts or have excess weight or in some other way differ from the Hollywood look, because it's not a body beautiful contest, but rather, a social setting there the mutual expectation is respect and acceptance.
Anyway, that's a digression. Were there swipes at specific, recognizable people in the party scene, or just a more general air of bemusement that we weren't the Hollywood crowd?
Thanks so much, and grace and peace to all of you. (I will be watching it later in the week.)
Well hello! Good to hear from someone who was at the party. To answer your question - It's hard to say because of the way the show is edited. It may look like there were some specific comments, but I really saw it as a general bemusement over the entire thing and each individual reaction just contributed to the whole. The only specific comment I can think of was the white haired bearded gentlemen who they commented looked like Santa Clause & remarked "Santa is a nudist!" (Which I'm sure that gentleman has heard before. )
I'm thinking that perhaps what may look like individual comments may be the fellas surprise that one who isn't a Baywatch Babe would be comfortable enough with their bodies to be a nudist. Personally, my hips & thighs would be fitting for a Rubens painting, but the thought of wearing a bathing suit in public gives me hives! I admire the self confidence you all have.
tomasulo
July 13, 2005 - 05:23 AM
I jumped on the board to read the posts and offer my own comments.....then my eyes went sproooooiiiinnnngggg!!!! when I saw the post from nycplaywright. Veteran posters here will know what's coming......I've been working on a screenplay based on the Fab 5 for about a year. Last summer, I sent it to Thom and he miraculously found the time to call me to tell me he had received it. If you think you might enjoy taking a look at it, please e-mail me at tomasulo@marineland.com
Sorry for that commercial interruption....back to the show: my first comment would be to the peeps who have posted what I believe to be over-sensitive reactions to the Fab 5's reactions....lighten up folks! They're human! Yup, they made jokes...yup, they laughed......yup, they were a little uncomfortable at times.....so what? Personally, I laughed so hard that my stomach hurt.....I almost spilled my drink! I would say to Jim, nycplaywright, and all the other nudists and party-goers...y'all looked like you were having a great time. It was clear the Fab 5 enjoyed themselves as well. This ep proved again that it takes all kinds....thank Ghod we're not all the same! So party on, friends! You were great sports and I think this is my new favorite episode. I loved it!
raindog
July 13, 2005 - 05:40 AM
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I think I had more fun watching this episode than the Fab Five did making it! At least my laughter was in genuine fun not and not judgmental of other peoples' life style like theirs seemed to be. As a member of the same minority as they are, I felt that they were the proverbial people throwing stones in a glass house.
While I can understand not being comfortable with semi-public nudity I wonder that they can be upset by it -- especially the dancing. It's almost as embarrassing to me as straight people who are shocked by two men dancing together.
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You know, I didn't get the impression that they were being judgmental - to me they just seemed shocked and amused more than upset by it. I certainly was amused by their shock, though - I don't know when I've laughed so hard!
We've got some friends that we've known forever - since college - and a year or so ago one emailed us saying they've become nudists, and inviting us to go to a nudist camp with them. Talk about horror - I think that would be my own personal version of Hell, meeting a bunch of strangers, and being naked!!! Me naked, strangers naked, going hiking naked... I mean, how does that even work????
raindog
July 13, 2005 - 05:59 AM
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I have a question about the Fabulous Five's reactions to the party scene. Do they at least have the decency to refrain from making specific comments about the bodies of specific people? I have to admit I'm getting a little apprehensive about watching it.
Well, I agree. I mean, I would never go for the naturalist/nudist lifestyle, but if someone wants to do it, even if they do not have the best body or look hot, they can do whatever they want to, because if it makes them feel comfy, they should do it.
I think the reason why the Five were making so many comments is because they were not used to seeing nudism. If they had seen more people like Jim, who really is not the most attractive person feeling that what he is doing is right for him, they might have not have thought so much of the people being nude.
Just like, they are gay, and there are people who do not even know anyone gay who just think it is nasty because of the screwed up society we are in. But, if those people actually got to know a gay person and hung out with them, they'd see that it is not a bad thing. The same for people like Jim who are nudists, and like I said... not exactly "beautiful".
I think the Five were just not used to seeing people being free like that.
I have to admit, I was laughing, but at the Fab Five's reactions, but not necessarily the nudists.
Lizard
I think you're right. I have to admit I was, like Thom, going EWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!! but it's because I'm not generally around people who are in the altogether. And I can not imagine flinging off my clothes in front of ANYBODY. My husband and I are so modest that we'll barely let each other see us naked!
But I do admire people who are able to set aside all these fears and hangups, and have no worries about their physical appearance, or about anybody else's physical appearance. It's amazingly nonjudgmental.
notevayas
July 13, 2005 - 06:36 AM
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This episode was rather interesting. However, I think the guys were reacting to much to the fact that they were nude. But, like I said in my above post, I think it was just something they were not used to.
Okay. For the Fab Five's work...
Carson: I liked the tuxedo thing. I thought Jim looked better in clothes, but he can do whatever he wants to. I wonder what Carson did as far as Jim's regular, non-formal clothes.
Thom: I liked the new look, even though a lot of others did not. It really depends on your style. Some people do not like the modern look. I personally have never disliked anything Thom has done. It did not seem to fit the SG, though.
Ted: He did not get to do much in this episode as far as food. Maybe he did, but we did not get to see it. I am 13 years old, so it will be a long time before what he taught the SG in this episode will be useful to me, but maybe, when I'm 21, I'll make something like that.
Kyan: He looked so much better with shorter hair. Long hair works on some guys, but him... NO! At least that is what I thought. Also, I'll have to try the glove and socks thing. I have dry skin and dry hands, so that would be good for me, probably.
Jai: He did not really do that much in this episode either. The tickets to Phantom of the Opera for the daughter were nice. It is always cool how he thinks about what the family members of the SG want too. I wonder what he thought of having to be in the nude with only the leave thingys covering him...
The Party/ "reveal": Okay. I laughed way too hard for what was really going on. But, I was mostly laughing at the Fab Five's reactions, especially Thom's. He seemed very freaked out. It is cool to know there are people out there who can go around nude without worrying what others think and doing that even though people who are not nudists may not want to see them in their birthday suits.
This poster is 13 years old going on 33! What a mature and balanced post!
I don't think anyone is ragging on the Fab 5 for having fun with people. Some of us are just bringing up the issues this show illustrates.
Kyan said it very well in the salon when he compared the misinformation some people have about being gay to the misinformation about naturism.
I have been reading up on this a bit, and my impression is that nudists are respectful of people who do not want to see nudity and confine their nudity to certain areas and private. But people have faced discrimination in jobs and housing for being nudists. In fact, I do think that if Jim's daughter, Rebecca, was younger, Jim would not have agreed to be on the show because some children and their parents might have been cruel to her.
I remember Thom reading the nudist magazine and being surprised to see that families were featured. BTW it is interesting that he did not seem turned off by the magazine that featured families, but had a hard time being in the same room as a naked man who was not even very close to him!
Thom said some really unnecessary things, but I can't be annoyed with him because he really seemed uncomfortable. I think given time, all the guys would have gotten accustomed to looking Jim in the eyes and not have been so obsessed with his privates. (unless he was as blessed as Ted says Carson is) Damn pixels!
(Hey, I never said I was as mature as this 13 year old!)
notevayas
fab_five_forever
July 13, 2005 - 07:00 AM
This is my first time posting on the board. I loved the episode last night, I was laughing so hard I was in tears. My kids thought I had totally lost my mind! I also didn't get the impression they were being judgemental at all. I can't wait for the rerun of this one.
tomasulo
July 13, 2005 - 07:11 AM
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This is my first time posting on the board. I loved the episode last night, I was laughing so hard I was in tears. My kids thought I had totally lost my mind! I also didn't get the impression they were being judgemental at all. I can't wait for the rerun of this one.
Welcome....you sound like a good sport! I swear to Buddha, my stomach STILL hurts from laughing! Hope you stick around..there are some wonderful peeps here. Someone will be around with the appetizers and drinks in a little while (hopefully someone with clothes on ) so relax and make yourself comfy.
KCee
July 13, 2005 - 07:16 AM
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Thom said some really unnecessary things, but I can't be annoyed with him because he really seemed uncomfortable. I think given time, all the guys would have gotten accustomed to looking Jim in the eyes and not have been so obsessed with his privates. (unless he was as blessed as Ted says Carson is) Damn pixels!
(Hey, I never said I was as mature as this 13 year old!)
notevayas
As most of us noticed, Thom seemed rather flustered over the whole thing. Frankly, I found his reactions to be - well - honest.
I think that some people (on other boards mostly) have put the Fab 5 up on some pedestal and hold them to higher standards and expect them to be and act perfect all the time. ( :rolls eyes: ) They're just people, People, and should be allowed to react to things they're unfamiliar or uncomfortable with just as we are. (Five good looking & incredibly talented people, but people none the less.)
Sorry for the rant. It wasn't pointed at you, notey.
nycplaywright
July 13, 2005 - 07:19 AM
Thanks for the replies. (Still interested in more, if anyone else would like to comment.) I'll probably see the episode myself tonight.
So somebody actually says "ewwwwwwww" at the sight of the nude people? After I see the episode, I may well write to him and explain to him that the behavior is much the same as saying "ewwwwwwww" at the sight of people at any other kind of party, because being nudists doesn't mean we want out bodies inspected. What they should really do, if they want to know anything about nudism, is spend enough time in a nudist environment to hear the conversations and see the friendships that develop over time, to really feel the effect that we're just real people with a particular recreational interest in common.
Oh...as for the guy making the chocolate reference, I can't presume to speak for the African-American guy on whether he finds it humorous or not, but I personally don't.
Again, thanks for the thoughts, and I may have comments of my own to make after I see the show.
tomasulo
July 13, 2005 - 07:29 AM
Look at KCee gettin' all mama bear and circling the wagons in defense of Thom! How cute is that?!? I love it and I concur....Thom was obviously uncomfortable and handled it with his talent for using humor as a tool. My hat is off to him.....(I'll leave the rest of my clothes on....for now )
notevayas
July 13, 2005 - 07:31 AM
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Personally, my hips & thighs would be fitting for a Rubens painting, but the thought of wearing a bathing suit in public gives me hives! I admire the self confidence you all have.
I have heard of the term Rubenesque beauty, though Ruben's painting "Bacchus" showed a dissolute side as well.
(A Ruben's painting depicting the slaughter of families and male infants by Herod as described in the Bible sold for over 76 Million dollars three years ago! The buyer is unknown and used an intermediary. We can only hope the money was relatively clean..)
I am not an expert on female beauty, but IMHO heavy women look more beautiful naked than in tight fitting clothing!
No disrespect intended, but Rebecca, the daughter, was wearing a too tight top that made her look all cleavage.(I noticed that it was only in the furniture store with Thom that she was wearing a nice white t-shirt under her low cut top... I wonder if he said anything? ... in a protective father-type way.. He seemed to be comfortable with her and like her. He jokingly tried to get her to wield a hammer or shovel for him.. Thom's freaking out seemed to be from a sense of "ohmyGodIcouldneverDoThatHowcanyoupeopleDoThat?!" rather than any mean spiritedness.
notevayas
luvsthom
July 13, 2005 - 07:32 AM
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Thanks for the replies. (Still interested in more, if anyone else would like to comment.) I'll probably see the episode myself tonight.
So somebody actually says "ewwwwwwww" at the sight of the nude people? After I see the episode, I may well write to him and explain to him that the behavior is much the same as saying "ewwwwwwww" at the sight of people at any other kind of party, because being nudists doesn't mean we want out bodies inspected. What they should really do, if they want to know anything about nudism, is spend enough time in a nudist environment to hear the conversations and see the friendships that develop over time, to really feel the effect that we're just real people with a particular recreational interest in common.
Oh...as for the guy making the chocolate reference, I can't presume to speak for the African-American guy on whether he finds it humorous or not, but I personally don't.
Again, thanks for the thoughts, and I may have comments of my own to make after I see the show.
Hey thanks for posting...and I just wanted to respond to the chocolate thunder comment.....Carson said it and he always says that about black men..in a good way...There was a straight guy on a while back named Rob, who was black and Carson called him "chocolate thunder"...he totally means it in an endearing way......And I really think the 5 of them were just totally reacting honestly...I have to tell you I would probably, at first introduction, be very uncomfortable at first, but not in a bad way, just getting used to the situation. You guys looked like you were having a great time.....hey, good for you! And welcome!
notevayas
July 13, 2005 - 08:00 AM
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Oh...as for the guy making the chocolate reference, I can't presume to speak for the African-American guy on whether he finds it humorous or not, but I personally don't.
Again, thanks for the thoughts, and I may have comments of my own to make after I see the show.
You know nycplaywright, just seeing this one show isn't really enough! I hope you will watch the back episodes and maybe purchase the "Best of.." DVD's to get some perspective on the guys' personalities so that you can take the comments in context of all the comments the guys have made on every other show and type of unusual situation. Um.. remember the show with Ralph Sutton who took his blind date to where he was a DJ and the place was full of strippers? They called the place they came from a "titty" bar.. a term I hadn't heard, but that on the face of it, sounded disrespectful to women. But not half as disrespectful as those women were being to Themselves in my opinion!
As far as the "chocolate thunder" comment.. it is absolutely not racist. I am not black, or "African American" but in the summer with a proper tan I could pass. I am mixed race, and would just love it if Carson wanted to call me "mocha thunder". (as long as my lover didn't hear him!) The black guys I worked with didn't put much stock in the extra six syllables, even if they could trace back to Africa, and not the Islands or Asia or Australia. It seems to me a term for white people (sometimes to hide racism behind) as much as it is a useful term for people of African descent!
That is a pet peeve of mine.
But your perspective is very valuable. I am listening to everybody and learning!
notevayas
nycplaywright
July 13, 2005 - 08:17 AM
Note to notevayas (Spanish for "don't go"):
I think you and I pretty much agree on the principles. The thing is, whether we're talking about the term "chocoloate thunder" or "African-American," it's not the words themselves but the intent to show either respect or contempt that matters. And since you know the show and its hosts, I defer to your judgment that racist intent wasn't there. My only angle is that, if I were black, I think I would probably be weary of having people take one look at me and make a comment referring to my skin color. Again, though, I'm not about to point to anybody and say "you're a racist" over it, so we're in agreement.
And as for the difference between African-American and black, they've come to be used interchangeably, and "black" certainly does have the advantage of being one syllable rather than seven. Thing is, though, as an interchangeable term, it has entered the language to connote a little extra layer of respect, apart from any literal interpretation.
Good to meet you here.
nycplaywright
July 13, 2005 - 08:21 AM
>> I am not an expert on female beauty
In my opinion, all anybody needs to know about beauty, male or female, is that it's in the eyes of the beholder. I would like to see "X is beautiful" replaced with "I find X beautiful" in common usage. I think too many people, when it comes to attraction to others, do too much consulting of society's so-called expertise instead of merely thinking for themselves and cultivating their own independent tastes.
By the way, one of my plays is a 20-minute one-act in which a heavy-set black woman shows up to audition for a show modeled on "Baywatch," and my satire on the cult of beauty comes through the dialogue that ensues.
tomasulo
July 13, 2005 - 08:24 AM
.......(crickets chirping).........so...uh....nycplaywright, does this mean you're not interested in seeing my screenplay? (Sorry to sound pushy but no guts, no glory.)
signladybc
July 13, 2005 - 08:28 AM
Well, I've read everyone's comments and tend to agree with most of them.
My thoughts as I watched and as I commented to a co-worker this morning were I'm so thankful that the producer/director didn't FORCE any of the FF to do anything they were personally uncomfortable with.
I agree that the comments throughout from different of the FF were pretty much what I would have been saying in the same circumstance (in fact I DID in the privacy of my living room) and none meant to be judgmental, insensitive, or cruel. I did a lot of EWWWW too, but not directed at specific persons more like I just couldn't do that myself!
Thom may have been the most vocal and most clearly uncomfortable, but Jai had to head to the kitchen and comment 'I need to get my breath' and Ted and Kyan also were pretty clear about their discomfort. I really was touched by Kyan's comments at the salon, however--again a teachable moment for all of us.
I really liked that as a whole the FF WERE uncomfortable because I think it disproves another myth--ALL gay folks are sex crazed perverts who would find nudity just great. Instead, gay folks are just like the rest of us when we encounter something we are not used to or are uncomfortable with. Remember how when this episode was first announced most of us were a little voyeuristic, a little 'cute' with our comments? Well, we mostly reacted uncomfortably when presented with the real thing. Again, not judging or criticizing just uncomfortable.
For specifics: Carson--what a tan! And yes, it was ironic that the garment guru was apparently most comfortable without. He was hilarious, and such a good sport about the ice cold clothing.
Jai--I could be your grandma (wish, wish) but what a great looking body! Loved the humor you showed and the resolve--I'll go THIS far but no further.
Thom your reaction put many of at ease to also react with shock or discomfort. 'I'm quitting!' Still, you gave it your all and did your thang exquisitely.
Ted and Kyan you too did your miracles and stood your ground. Thanks!
Finally, I want to say again that I don't think any one reacted with DISGUST to anything we saw.
Comments about Jim--when his daughter's friends were there I wish he hadn't made such a big deal about what was happening later. Open is one thing, flaunting (maybe a little for shock value) is something else. Also, I don't know what his hobby costs him but I wish he had spent some $ in the past on orthodontia for his daughter. She deserves to have a more healthy mouth. Speaking of which--I remember thinking early on that White Strips wouldn't be touted--who would be looking at Jim's teeth? Imagine my surprise and belly laughs when they were part of Kyan's gift package!
I feel badly for Jim's mother. This is obviously so far out of her comfort zone! Thom was great in designing a space that was sensitive to her but it could be time for Jim to make other living arrangements.
I loved the socks and gloves and I also want something like them.
One sad note then I'll shut up. Talk about uncomfortable and insensitive--my local station decided to air a commercial during this episode which I've never seen before. It was for a Denver spa (I'm assuming for gay men) and was really quite inappropriate (yes, I'm being judgmental now). The ad placement just felt very wrong and exploitive of what otherwise was really good clean TV viewing.
Cheers,
SignLadyB _,,/
p.s. welcome NYCwriter (sorry, i've forgotten your name) I hope when you watch the episode in full you will see the fun and not feel defensive. I sincerely believe that nothing that was said or done was meant to be mean spirited.
KCee
July 13, 2005 - 08:28 AM
Actually, I believe the term "African American" was first popularized used by Jessie Jackson, hoping to find a term that was more cultural and less about color.
nycplaywright
July 13, 2005 - 08:37 AM
Thanks for these excellent notes.
One bit of inside information I can give you, which may or may not be clear in the episode (which I still haven't seen):
That party was thrown by the producers of the show, expressly so as to be able to have that scene in there. They sent the word out through some of the New York City naturist social networks, and anybody who heard about it was welcome to show up. We gave the impression, in the receiving line, that we were old friends of Jimmy who were wowed by his new look, but in truth, the overwhelming majority of people at that party, including me, were meeting and hearing about Jimmy for the first time that night. Point is, because the producers orchestrated the party, it couldn't have come as too much of a shock to the hosts. Anyway, though, I am glad to know that the "ewwwwwwwwww" was for the general idea of nude partying rather than for any specific person's body, because doing that would be just as cruel as doing it in any other social context.
tomasulo
July 13, 2005 - 08:43 AM
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Actually, I believe the term "African American" was first popularized used by Jessie Jackson, hoping to find a term that was more cultural and less about color.
It's gonna be a mouthful referring to myself as Anglo-Franco-American-Canadian-Mohawk......aw hell, just call me crazy white girl.
raindog
July 13, 2005 - 08:57 AM
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So somebody actually says "ewwwwwwww" at the sight of the nude people? After I see the episode, I may well write to him and explain to him that the behavior is much the same as saying "ewwwwwwww" at the sight of people at any other kind of party, because being nudists doesn't mean we want out bodies inspected.
I don't want to offend, but... can you really expect people to not examine your bodies when you have no clothes on?? When nudism isn't the general norm, I mean, and the vast majority of people in our society aren't used to it? It really isn't just like seeing a bunch of people at a party, for those of us who have never been nudists.
And I admit that I'm someone with scads of body issues and am probably way TOO modest.
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What they should really do, if they want to know anything about nudism, is spend enough time in a nudist environment to hear the conversations and see the friendships that develop over time, to really feel the effect that we're just real people with a particular recreational interest in common.
I'm sure you're exactly right, although it's a strech for many of us to go to a nudist colony. I think it's very admirable for you to be so at peace with your bodies, and I'm sure it's very liberating as well. But it IS something the vast majority of us don't see every day, and find somewhat.. unsettling, I suppose, for want of a better word!
I do hope you'll post more about the experience when you have a chance to see the show. I'd love to hear what you think of the final result!
raindog
July 13, 2005 - 09:06 AM
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Thom may have been the most vocal and most clearly uncomfortable, but Jai had to head to the kitchen and comment 'I need to get my breath' and Ted and Kyan also were pretty clear about their discomfort. I really was touched by Kyan's comments at the salon, however--again a teachable moment for all of us.
I found it just hysterical when Jai was in the kitchen saying, "Uncomfortable! Uncomfortable! Uncomfortable!!!"
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I really liked that as a whole the FF WERE uncomfortable because I think it disproves another myth--ALL gay folks are sex crazed perverts who would find nudity just great. Instead, gay folks are just like the rest of us when we encounter something we are not used to or are uncomfortable with. Remember how when this episode was first announced most of us were a little voyeuristic, a little 'cute' with our comments? Well, we mostly reacted uncomfortably when presented with the real thing. Again, not judging or criticizing just uncomfortable.
You know, I thought that exact same thing about how this will help dispel some more gay stereotypes.
notevayas
July 13, 2005 - 09:21 AM
Hey nycplaywright,
You are right about people not wanting to be defined by race. That is one of the good things about internet posting. Ideas rule, not preconceptions.
If it wasn't Carson saying it.. 'chocolate thunder' could be considered patronizing. There is a whole history of racism and envy/fear of black male sexuality that Carson is taking a short detour around. Why? Because the guy was cute, and Carson is Carson. Carson is the guy that started to say in one of his Hip Tips on belt buckles, that "personality starts in the crotch region.." He is an intelligent man, but he does not let that interfere with fun. And besides irreverence, he has that kind of basic innocence about race that many white people have. I envy them that, and don't feel the need to extract any guilt over it. Other white people seem to like doing that often enough.
For example there was this guy at work who wore an African looking hat. Every day he came to work with that silly hat and it stank but no one would say anything. Finally I asked him what was the deal with the hat. He said it got him dates. So much for heritage. You see if a girl asked him, he had a song and dance about that hat. Oh yeah, it's impolitic to say if a black guy dances real good either.. See, I know all the rules. You have to know all the rules, or it's no fun breaking them!
So one day Carson is going to say "chocolate thunder" and get told off by an African-American guy with a stick up his butt. Or maybe a guy like my friend who just wants to shake him up so he can have a little fun with a white guy. "Don't diss my African hat! My great great grandfather made me this hat! Oh, wait. That one's at home. This one cost me 5.- at the Goodwill. I think it came from the "Lion King" collection at Walmart.."
You have to go back to the Rob episode from the first season.. Thom fills this guy's house with island furniture including a huge wall "bouquet" of purple feathers. All cool stuff individually .. from the fishing basket ceiling light shades, to the chairs with carven faces on them that the guy tested and found uncomfortable.(because the "nose" of the carving stuck in the small of his back when he sat in one!)
I got a little flak for saying that Thom made this modern guy's apartment into a "themepark" because he used all this exotic stuff jumbled together. But that's another kind of innocence at play. These guys aren't racist, but they sure can be funny and impolitic! And I wouldn't want them cautious and insincere for all the Crest White Strips in New Jersey!
notevayas
luvem
July 13, 2005 - 09:39 AM
Hello QE Fans,
QE is my favorite show on TV, and I've read this message board since the beginning. You are all such great thinkers and writers, I'm not sure I can keep up. But I had to respond to this thread.
I thought this was the funniest episode yet because the guys were completely nonplussed, and almost as uncomfortable as Jim's mother. But I thought they were completely accepting of his lifestyle, as was Jim's mother.
As someone else said, the guys have said some things that, if taken out of the show's context, would sound unkind. How many of the make-betters have been totally trashed by the guys, even in the loft sequence? But we all laugh!
I could never be a nudist--I'm not that comfy with my body shape (I'm also over 50, so we've got some saggin' goin' on here). I could also never dance like they did, even with my clothes on! But I'm glad they're comfortable in their skins.
As an analogy to how some of us might feel, I drive past a tatoo parlor almost every day. These people must be very good, because they have tons of trophies in their window. But when they are outside the store, they are totally covered in colored tatoos. I'm talking shaved heads with red, yellow, blue, green shapes tatooed everywhere, including partially on the face. They can do whatever they want with their bodies, of course, but I'm afraid I shake my head when I see them, and it's very startling. I'm picturing a make-better for them! Can't see Ted going for it, either. So while we might be uncomfortable we can accept and move on. But I think Thom, in particular, was thinking, "I just couldn't do that!"
I don't know--sometimes we laugh because we're uncomfortable, not because we're making fun of people. I'm not being very clear here, so I'll stop. But I think the guys were no more unkind to the nudists than they have been to any of the other people (remember the "hooker who's missing her boots" comment?) They're just incredibly witty, as well as gorgeous and talented.
Hope my first post was OK, and I certainly never intended to put anyone down, just to explain how I think the guys felt.
nycplaywright
July 13, 2005 - 09:41 AM
Raindog: Actually, there's no such thing as a nudist colony, as far as I know, but if did want to try out the scene, I would be glad to give you links to some nudist resorts as well as clothing-optional public beaches.
NoTeVayas: General agreement, except that if a black person objects to "chocolate thunder," he may or may not have a stick up his ass. Sure, I see the value of some iconoclastic humor, but it is important to be aware that terminology comparing people of darker color with edible commodities does have a historical context in the racism of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century. (I have to confess that I'm a collegiate historian as well as a playwright, and matters of culture and civil rights are part of my personal field of study.) But, I do believe you that there wasn't an insulting spirit in this instance, and there are certainly enough real racists to deal with, without having to look for them behind every casual joke.
tomasulo
July 13, 2005 - 09:49 AM
Welcome, luvem! It looks like this ep inspired several people to post for the first time and that's great! Someone should probably run out for more booze. It's interesting that you brought up the subject of tattoos....I wouldn't have made that connection at all. I have 6 tattoos and I rarely try to explain my motivation. If something feeds your soul and your spirit, it probably will not be understood by others who don't feel the same way. Because of your post, I'm a-thinkin' being a nudist or naturist could fall into that category. Anyhoo.....so glad you joined us. We're quite adorable.....just like our beloved Fab 5.
signladybc
July 13, 2005 - 09:51 AM
Thanks for that info! It could change the way I look at the party in some ways. A little exploitive wasn't it?
SLB _,,/
signladybc
July 13, 2005 - 09:56 AM
Nonplussed!!! What a great word. I was trying to think of another word for uncomfortable. Thanks.
SignLadyB _,,/
p.s. with vocabulary like that you'll do well here. Welcome.
notevayas
July 13, 2005 - 10:05 AM
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Hello QE Fans,
QE is my favorite show on TV, and I've read this message board since the beginning. You are all such great thinkers and writers, I'm not sure I can keep up. But I had to respond to this thread.
I thought this was the funniest episode yet...
I agree! It was hilarious! And I think there is room to post about the hilarity and also the subject of naturism and any side issue that comes to mind..
NEVER be intimidated by posting on this board! I just had to look up the term iconoclast and it means:
One who attacks and seeks to overthrow established or venerated institutions, practices, or attitudes.
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It seems that nyc guy/gal? is the genuine article! When Ted Allen gets his site up, if he has a forum, I will be so much a lurker! Maybe I'll take a college english class..
notevayas
tomasulo
July 13, 2005 - 10:27 AM
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Nonplussed!!! What a great word. I was trying to think of another word for uncomfortable. Thanks.
SignLadyB _,,/
p.s. with vocabulary like that you'll do well here. Welcome.
That word sent me scrambling for my Funk & Wagnalls....pretty hard to believe luvem was too intimidated to post here before this!
notevayas
July 13, 2005 - 10:30 AM
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>> I am not an expert on female beauty
In my opinion, all anybody needs to know about beauty, male or female, is that it's in the eyes of the beholder. I would like to see "X is beautiful" replaced with "I find X beautiful" in common usage. I think too many people, when it comes to attraction to others, do too much consulting of society's so-called expertise instead of merely thinking for themselves and cultivating their own independent tastes.
By the way, one of my plays is a 20-minute one-act in which a heavy-set black woman shows up to audition for a show modeled on "Baywatch," and my satire on the cult of beauty comes through the dialogue that ensues.
I hope no one takes offense, but I came across this article awhile ago, and I think, for at least males, being visually tuned is part of our wiring.. but we are influenced by society as to what we find attractive to some extent.
Monkeys pay to see Monkey Bottoms
By Robert Roy Britt
LiveScience Senior Writer
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04:27 pm ET
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Would you pay to see a monkey's backside? I hope not. Monkeys will, and I guess that's okay, though it sounds awfully close to the sort of thing that lands guys in jail here in the human realm.
A new study found that male monkeys will give up their juice rewards in order to ogle pictures of female monkey's bottoms. The way the experiment was set up, the act is akin to paying for the images, the researchers say.
The rhesus macaque monkeys also splurged on photos of top-dog counterparts, the high-ranking primates. Maybe that's like you or me buying People magazine.
The research, which will be detailed in the March issue of Current Biology, gets more interesting.
The scientists actually had to pay these guys, in the form of extra juice, to get them to look at images of lower-ranking monkeys.
Curiously, the monkeys in the test hadn't had any direct physical contact with the monkeys in the photos, so they didn't have personal experience with who was hot and who was not.
"So, somehow, they are getting this information by observation -- by seeing other individuals interact," said Michael Platt of the Duke University Medical Center.
Next, Platt and his colleagues want to see how people will perform in a similar experiment.
"At the moment, it's only a tantalizing possibility, but we believe that similar processes are at work in these monkeys and in people," Platt said. "After all, the same kinds of social conditions have been important in primate evolution for both nonhuman primates and humans. So, in further experiments, we also want to try to establish in the same way how people attribute value to acquiring visual information about other individuals."
The study, announced Friday, is far from monkey business. It was sponsored by the National Institute of Mental Health and the Cure Autism Now Foundation. The goal is to learn more about the social machinery of the brain with an eye toward helping autism patients.
"One of the main problems in people with autism is that they don't find it very motivating to look at other individuals," Platt said. "And even when they do, they can't seem to assess information about that individual's importance, intentions or expressions."
The monkeys provide "an excellent model for how social motivation for looking is processed in normal individuals," Platt said. "And, it's a model that we can use to explore the neurophysiological mechanisms of those motivations in a way we can't do in humans. For example, we can use drugs that affect specific neural processes to explore whether we can mimic some of the deficits found in autism in these animals."
nycplaywright
July 13, 2005 - 10:35 AM
Offense? Lord no. I think that's a fascinating study, with the monkeys.
As for whether the party was exploitative, I'll certainly let you know when I've seen the episode. At the time, it was simply fun. There were certain people I hadn't seen in over a year whom it was great to reconnect with here.
drabtofab
July 13, 2005 - 11:47 AM
I very much enjoyed this episode. ^^
My vote for funniest line goes to Thom, "5,4,3,2,1, nude!" It was more the way he said it, but it was funny.
tomasulo
July 13, 2005 - 11:57 AM
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I very much enjoyed this episode. ^^
My vote for funniest line goes to Thom, "5,4,3,2,1, nude!" It was more the way he said it, but it was funny.
Welcome to the board.....(wow, it's gettin' crowded here...we might have to ask people to start bringing their own liquor!)
That was a funny line, but my favorite Thom-moment was when he was imitating Jim by pretending to mix a drink a leeeeeeetle bit too close to his crotch saying, "Anybody want a drink?". I'm telling you, my abs got a workout because I was laughing so hard.
LilQueerEyeFan
July 13, 2005 - 04:21 PM
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This poster is 13 years old going on 33! What a mature and balanced post!
I don't think anyone is ragging on the Fab 5 for having fun with people. Some of us are just bringing up the issues this show illustrates.
Kyan said it very well in the salon when he compared the misinformation some people have about being gay to the misinformation about naturism.
I have been reading up on this a bit, and my impression is that nudists are respectful of people who do not want to see nudity and confine their nudity to certain areas and private. But people have faced discrimination in jobs and housing for being nudists. In fact, I do think that if Jim's daughter, Rebecca, was younger, Jim would not have agreed to be on the show because some children and their parents might have been cruel to her.
I remember Thom reading the nudist magazine and being surprised to see that families were featured. BTW it is interesting that he did not seem turned off by the magazine that featured families, but had a hard time being in the same room as a naked man who was not even very close to him!
Thom said some really unnecessary things, but I can't be annoyed with him because he really seemed uncomfortable. I think given time, all the guys would have gotten accustomed to looking Jim in the eyes and not have been so obsessed with his privates. (unless he was as blessed as Ted says Carson is) Damn pixels!
(Hey, I never said I was as mature as this 13 year old!)
notevayas
Oooh... thank you. I am really not that mature though. I guess I can understand why the Fab Five were getting all freaked out because they had to see all the stuff without the pixels, and I can imagine it was hard for them not to notice the guy's "private area". I am not annoyed with how Thom was acting. He's in America.
In America, of course, we do not understand the naked body and appreciate it as much as people in other countries do. In some countries over in Europe, people can be nude without having people laugh at them and think of it as gross. So, if anyone gets mad at how they were making so many comments, I blame it on the American society because a lot of Americans were probably brought up to think that the body should be covered and people should be clothed in the company of other people. That is just what I think. It is the society. And, in a lot of cases, some people in America try to say that to be comfortable with your naked body (or clothed body, for that matter), you have to have the perfect shape and be thin. I personally think it is stupid.
But, I can understand why people like Thom and the other guys would feel uncomfortable, because, personally, if I was in their situation, I would have been uncomfortable too, but I would not have been so honest about it. But, I cannot really say anything about that because, of course, I was not there.
cleovictory
July 13, 2005 - 04:22 PM
Also good: disconcerted, discombobulated, whopper-jawed...
Come to think of it, Carson gets the Good Sport award -- not merely for his streak around the house, but because you'd think as a fashionista, he'd be ideologically opposed to nudism.
Taking my socks off, slow-ly. cv
raindog
July 13, 2005 - 04:36 PM
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Raindog: Actually, there's no such thing as a nudist colony, as far as I know, but if did want to try out the scene, I would be glad to give you links to some nudist resorts as well as clothing-optional public beaches.
ACK!!! Sorry!!! I knew that, of course I did! Colonies are for... pilgrims. Or ants. I actually did check out a link a year or so ago for a campground some old friends of ours invited us to. They just announced out of the clear blue (via email) that they'd been nudists for some time, and invited us to go with them to this very nice sounding campground in .. I think... upper South Carolina. It looked very pleasant, other than having to go around naked!
I'm just very very VERY self-conscious. It would probably do me good, but I'm afraid I'd die of embarrassment first! Or of cold. I'm also very very very cold-natured.
raindog
July 13, 2005 - 04:47 PM
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Hello QE Fans,
QE is my favorite show on TV, and I've read this message board since the beginning. You are all such great thinkers and writers, I'm not sure I can keep up. But I had to respond to this thread.
Glad you posted, and I hope you continue to! I don't think you need to be worrying about keeping up, either. Some of us have already managed to announce that nudists live in colonies, and that was just today.
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I thought this was the funniest episode yet because the guys were completely nonplussed, and almost as uncomfortable as Jim's mother. But I thought they were completely accepting of his lifestyle, as was Jim's mother.
I watched it again tonight because my husband missed it last night, and we were in agreement that it was perhaps the funniest one ever. Which is saying quite a lot. And it WAS largely because they were so freaked out.
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I could never be a nudist--I'm not that comfy with my body shape (I'm also over 50, so we've got some saggin' goin' on here). I could also never dance like they did, even with my clothes on! But I'm glad they're comfortable in their skins.
Me either - I can barely let anyone see me with clothes ON. But I can also see that it would be very liberating not to be concerned with what you look like. To the degree that you could be even more comfortable with your clothes off than with them on.