hairstylistaz
July 6, 2004 - 09:59 PM
give your buisiness cards out to everyone, make up games that your existing clientele can play, like for every person they refer you they get 15-20 percent off of a service. people love a good deal. its all about marketing yourself and knowing that you do awesome work!!
hairstylistaz
July 6, 2004 - 10:01 PM
you are totally right about revlon not being a professional product. look at the difference in the pigment between revlon and M.A.C. the colors do not compare!! revlon is like wet and wild 99 cent grocery store garbage!!
hairstylistaz
July 6, 2004 - 10:08 PM
if you use a store bought color they come with their own developer and even if you use 10 vol you run the risk of your hair turning green!!! you need to have your hair filled with pigment and then you need to put the target color over the filled hair. if you are looking to do this cheaply look into beauty schools in your neighborhood (there are some really talented people at awesome schools) if you do your research you should be happy with your results! good luck
hairstylistaz
July 6, 2004 - 10:17 PM
over the counter colors will not cover all of your grey when you get over a certain percentage of your hair being grey. that is why professionals have to fiddle with the formula to get to the desired color.. and also STOP using feria it is a metalic color and is very bad for your hair especially if ou ever want highlights it will really commpromise the integrity of your hair!!! wella is beautiful hair color but you have to be careful the reds are very very vivid!!
hairstylistaz
July 6, 2004 - 10:23 PM
where are these "professional" revlon products available? Are they comparable to M.A.C. which is what I use. I love how rich the pigments are in mac as opposed to unprofessional products. you get what you pay for!!!
Jade
July 7, 2004 - 12:50 PM
Are you the owner of Ettore Salon and Spa in Center City, PA?
CGStylist
July 7, 2004 - 01:01 PM
Hi there! American Crew is a product line made specifally with the male client in mind. You will find that they have lots of options for 'grooming pomades and gels'. There are a few that do not give it the 'shiny' or 'wet' or gel-ish' look, from American Crew. I think you might want to try out a few. Go see a salon that carries that brand then ask if they will give you samples. Most salons carry samples, or they can make you a small sample there. I have also found that American Crew products do not smell 'fruity'. They have a crisp, clean, masculine scent that is never overpowering. Also, you can check them out online and then contact a distributor. Any distributor will be more than happy to send you a variety of their samples, and then give you a listing for salons that carry their product line.
BedHead makes great styling products, they happen to be some of my favorites...however, I find the scent of their products far too feminine for the average male client. Good luck with your hair!
CGStylist
July 7, 2004 - 01:13 PM
Hi there! Revlon 'Professional' products can still be found in some Sally Beauty Supply stores. I found that their line is still not rich enough and does not provide the same coverage that you get out of a professional product line like M.A.C or Makeup Forever.
If you are looking for high quality coverage and rich, true pigments then continue to use your M.A.C line. If you are looking for something that is a step above the discount pharmacy lines, then try stepping it up to something like Revlon 'Professional'. The packaging is much nicer than the line they carry at discount retailers, and the colors seem to be a bit more natural looking.
merly
July 7, 2004 - 08:58 PM
So what is up with his hair? It doesn't look real to me. I totally agree with you. You seem to know what it is? Is it a wig, weave, or what? You call it paste on hair, but what is the exact cause of this? I am not a hair stylist, but I sure noticed his deal on top.
Did you notice people wearing the same clothes on tonight's episode, July 7, the next day after they went to the bar? How phoney was that? Elizabeth, Jonathan & others come to work in the same clothes and some the same on following days? What is this Bonanza when no one ever wore anything different?
missaprille
July 8, 2004 - 09:06 AM
Hi..I am an extremely aggressive sort ..my advice is to print up some business cards and do a shop and swap with people in your community..also have your new boss advertise your arrival in the salon ..or do your own. For the comfort of perspective clients..how about having a photo album of the cuts and services you have done or provided professionally or other-wise?? Good luck in your quest!
beautyjunkie
July 8, 2004 - 11:57 AM
Sparkie,
Could you get me the number for Jonathan's salon. I would like to book an appointment with him. I will have to fly to LA to see him so I haven't made a big effort to get the number. If you could give it to me that would be great. Thanks!
toyo
July 8, 2004 - 12:06 PM
Ok, I happen to see about three episodes of the show so far, and I am not in the hair styling field, so I am reaching out the experts on this board to answer a question for me. How are the stylists usually compensated is it a base plus a commission, and if so what would that commission split be) I am just curious how much a stylist in a “high end” salon can earn. Also …I noticed a few people that posted here are from the BH area…I would appreciate any feedback you can provide….thanks again
t.
radius9ner
July 8, 2004 - 12:56 PM
[I love this series....FINALLY...someone who shows what it is really (well almost) LIKE! The roller coaster ride we call owning a salon...thats what it is really about. I LOVE IT...WHY are you taking it off the air? Its so unique!
I also am a salon owner here in San Diego and am looking for great stylists like Jonathan has in his salon. If anyone is interested you can email me at david@salonradius.com. We are like Jonathan, looking for that right mix of people to make our salon the hottest here in San Diego.
Just thought I would put that out there. Unlike Jonathan, we do not have a pool of 75 stylists waiting outside our salon to be hired.
abir
July 9, 2004 - 11:18 AM
I got semi-permanent red hair dye on the toilet cover and basin! Does anybody know how to remove it? If so, please let me know. My email is abirsandoval@entravision.com
Thanks!
CurlyGirl8
July 9, 2004 - 12:15 PM
Does anyone out there have styling tips and recommended products for curly hair? I am a bad hair day away from looking like Renee Zellweger in Cold Mountain. Help!!
BeckyBulla
July 9, 2004 - 05:53 PM
try a steam buggy if you have one or some modulat by swartzkoph
BeckyBulla
July 9, 2004 - 05:56 PM
definitly olloff cosmetics puts out a line called Barex
mouse
July 10, 2004 - 01:19 AM
ditto for brandon. he has some major hair-helmet going on....
mouse
July 10, 2004 - 01:25 AM
Quote:
Maybe it's some sort of "tough love" thing he's trying to pull with her.
yeah, don't you kind of wish he'd remind her that he's being tough on her because he thinks she CAN do it better instead of because he thinks she CAN'T do it better?
Sparkie
July 10, 2004 - 12:56 PM
Beautyjunkie,
The # is (310)273-9999 for the Beverly Hills Salon, you will have no problem getting an appointment, when I called, I got put in for 2 days away, they had a "cancellation", I had to cancel that one, had to work, but I made another one for my birthday, I will decide if I will keep it after the last show, now I know that it is just a "show", I suppose I should just get over it... because Jonathan gives a great cut....let us know how your adventure goes
Sparkie
Hairdrs585
July 10, 2004 - 01:34 PM
Matrix has something new called "Curlife." It's great for curly hair.
Hairdrs585
July 10, 2004 - 01:41 PM
i never miss the show. love it it makes me feel like a better stylist. i live in the south and to top that its in the country. and i only charge 10.00 a haircut and also have been doing hair for 18 years and id put my cuts up against johnathens anyday. every time i watch the show he does the same haircut. parted in the back and pulled to the front. i also have to wash cut and dry all by myself.. i think i need an assistant. hey johnathen interestd?
Slidecutter
July 10, 2004 - 02:23 PM
With regard to your question, toyo, the pay scale can differ from salon to salon. Some stylists may rent their chair, pay for their own supplies, etc., others may work stricly on a commission-basis. The salon I work for pays commission (60/40) AFTER you double your base salary.
If a Stylist has enough incentive, (work-ethic), you learn to hustle more to make your $$$$!
katieb
July 11, 2004 - 02:18 PM
I CURRANTLY HAVE MY HAIR IN THE COLORS YOU TALKED ABOUT. LEAVE THE FOILS IN WHEN RINSING, SO THAT YOU DO NOT GET THE RED ON THE BLOND.DO NOT USE TOO MUCH WATER PRESSURE AND THIS SHOULD WORK.
BBMJAM
July 12, 2004 - 03:19 AM
Brandon is at a great salon called "THE PARLOUR" located at 8113 W. Third St., Los Angeles 90048, 323-651-4200.
GlamGirl66
July 12, 2004 - 07:52 AM
Quote:
i never miss the show. love it it makes me feel like a better stylist. i live in the south and to top that its in the country. and i only charge 10.00 a haircut and also have been doing hair for 18 years and id put my cuts up against johnathens anyday. every time i watch the show he does the same haircut. parted in the back and pulled to the front. i also have to wash cut and dry all by myself.. i think i need an assistant. hey johnathen interestd?
Wish you lived closer. I'd come to you! I'm in upper-western MD here and need a wash/cut/blowdry and I like to keep my hair just below the shoulders in long layers. Sounds like a reasonable price to me. Seems like all of the good ones live so far away BLAH! hehe
toyo
July 12, 2004 - 08:01 AM
Sidecutter...thanks for the feedback on my question, it seems like a a good stylist with a following can make excellent money in your business....do you work in LA and if so, do you currently work at a "high end" salon like Jonathan is trying to create?
FLsalonowner
July 12, 2004 - 12:08 PM
jonathan said at one time that he charges $400.00 for a cut,
he said that kimberly would probably start out in the $125.00 range.you can get the salon address and phone number from the yellow pages.com
gilbertfsc
July 13, 2004 - 06:56 AM
I am trying to get in contact with one of the technical workers for the show. Is there anyway to get contact information for the camera assistant.
Please PM me.
Slidecutter
July 13, 2004 - 01:07 PM
Hi again, Toyo...
Actually, I'm in New York, about an hour from Manhattan. The salon I work for is a NY City-type salon, up in the burbs. Our clients are always served refreshments...from coffee, tea, etc., to wine and even frozen Margarita's.
While our prices aren't close to Jonathan's..(Cut&BD-$47, Single Process Color-$57, Color, Cut&BD-$77,...Full Head Foils-$125, not including Cut&BD...Men's Cuts-$21) we're fairly high-priced compared to the "chop-shops" at the Malls. Before I insult anyone working at a mall-based salon, the shops here usually get kids right out of Hairdressing School (before getting licensed) and put them on the floor...the ones that do well soon get into better shops and make the money they deserve.
I do give Jonathan a lot of credit, he's very much like the owner of the salon where I work with regard to cutting and styling techniques. Constant re-education and fluency in bringing the latest styling trends to your clients is what counts. But, on the other hand, NO one is so important that they cannot do their own shampooing or give a hand sweeping up hair, when necessary. The liability-factor if a client slips on a mound of hair could be devastating.
Other than a polished receptionist, the best welcoming a client can receive is done at the shampoo sink. As a stylist, doing this myself tells me, up front, a lot about a client. If they relax at the sink and enjoy the shampoo experience, then they're open to any new styling suggestion I might have for them. If they're the opposite, then it tells me they're still caught in their own time-warp with no tolerance for my inventiveness. Either way, my own hands-on, right from the start, allows me to make the best recommendations for hair products for my clients...I'll never sell them what their hair doesn't really need.
beddweller
July 13, 2004 - 02:05 PM
$175 for new clients...i have an appt next week but they aid its his last day
nycolorist
July 13, 2004 - 06:20 PM
Does anyone know if the show is coming to new york
AWSalon
July 13, 2004 - 06:58 PM
I have naturally curly,naturally dry hair and I have tried EVERYTHING to make my hair soft . The best thing I can recommend to you is to use products for straightening hair,like Redken Smooth down ,Bio Silk Silk Therapy,anything that hydrates the hair to make it easier to straighten usually curls mine up beautifully. Nice big soft not crunchy curls. Well moisturized hair usually does the best. The Best I just recently found is called Pureology, It is the best handsdown for true moisture without weighing it down
GlamGirl66
July 13, 2004 - 08:51 PM
I'm so overjoyed with the way that the season ended. I somehow knew that Jonathan was going to put Kimberly out on the floor. I could see that he really believed in her and that's why he took the time to guide her so she could become not just a good stylist but a GREAT stylist! I think everything's gonna be alright from now on. They are learning how to communicate and Jonathan has realized how rough he was on the others in the last month and feels awful about it but I also understand that he wanted everything to go well and he was just afraid that it wouldn't. Jonathan, If you see this, YOU are a VERY gifted man with a remarkable talent and(sorry if I sound too forward) you are just gorgeous(big shock hehe). Please keep your head up and know that you're only human and we all have emotions. You're doing a wonderful job Jonathan. I think you have been blessed with a wonderful life and the ability to make people feel good about the way they look and feel is a gift in itself. I wish I could meet you cause I too am dealing with the therapy thing and I'm a beautiful latin-jewish girl(so I've been told. Wish I could believe it though) but I suffer from depression and anxiety and have to be on meds on top of that and I'm starting my own business with the jewelry that I create and it can be quite nerve wracking at times so my God, I understand what you have to deal with on a day to day basis. Baby, you're not alone. Just know that please.
Much love and warm hugs Jonathan.
Love, Sherri
ModernDayDelilia
July 14, 2004 - 10:25 AM
If I am not mistaken Revlon, Clairol and even Loreal have both OTC brands and Professional lines. I would think they are using Revlon because it is not "mainstream" and like all the other salons using the same thing. Does that make sense?
ModernDayDelilia
July 14, 2004 - 10:33 AM
I would only recommend using otc products if you have the pocketbook to "correct" the potential damage and unwanted color to your hair. OTC color is like using a aspirin for a headache, it works for the light stuff but you need a Dr. and a professional prescription to bring your hair back to a specific color. In our salon we charge a minimum of $50-$100 an hour (minimum of 2 hours to start) depends on damage of your hair and when you need to get in and be corrected. That little $5.00 box can cost you hundreds.
BFly
July 14, 2004 - 10:56 AM
Hello everyone! I'm from So.California, and received my Cosmetology lic. in October of last year. This is a career change for me and it's scary! Now that i'm out of a job(former employer pulled their retail stores out of ca.), I figure now is the time to put my license to work. I'm no stranger to retail sales, (15yrs.), but, i find it difficult find work with little experience in the cosmetology field. I would greatly appreciate any helpful hints. Thank you!
Miss60s
July 14, 2004 - 11:32 AM
I heard West Hollywood is looking for a new assistant.
(310)855-0225
Madison1
July 14, 2004 - 04:41 PM
To all the stylist out there...what schools did you go to and what schools would you recommend? I've heard that the Aveda Institute is good as well as Toni and guy. Thanks!
ERDIVa
July 14, 2004 - 06:08 PM
Just call long distance information for the Jonathan salon in Bev hills. It's listed.
SnakeboiX
July 14, 2004 - 06:55 PM
Just as an FYI. Jonathan seems like a sissy ass primadonna. If you wanna run a business then you should treat people with respect. He sucks ass and I for one wouldn't work for an [censored] like him. I hope he loses his business and half of Beverly (if not all) shirks him. I'll do whatever it takes to get this [censored] off of the network. A diluted and conceited [expletive deleted] like him shouldn't even be on the airways.
pleaseloveher
July 14, 2004 - 07:36 PM
hi um..im thinking of buying the HAI 2 Ceramic 2¼
Hair Pressing Iron but with the info you just gave me, "Buy the thinner irons, because those allow you to get the closest to your scalp and will allow u to have a naturally straight hair look." im not about what i want anymore. I know there is another flat iron that is the same brand called the HAI convertible ceramic hair straightening iron, which is so much thinner. But the problem is that i have very thick hair and it might take me a long time to straighten it with a smaller flat iron yet i want to get the naturally straight hair look, but i barely have time in the morning to get ready let alone my hair. I know what you mean though by the fact that it might be to big and leave those annoying waves at the beginning. Thats why im worried that i might spend $105 dollars on something that will not help me. what should i do?
Medea
July 14, 2004 - 11:51 PM
Hi all
This is a general post/public service announcement I'd like professional opinions, but, please, no nastiness - I feel bad enough as it is right now.
Also non professional (client) opinions i.e. has anyone else had this happen and/or maybe some 'haircut horror stories'.
Basically, I am here to say: Stylists, what do you think - Clients, have you had this happen (if this is your type of hair) -
Should a hair cutter EVER slide-cut into a type of a wedge cut, someone with FINE and kinky/wavy hair ? Medium to less than medium thickness, very fine texture, kink or wave to it too.
Cos that just happened to me again tonight. I've had this cut from time to time - mostly from a stylist who didn't listen (he later basically admitted that he didn't communicate and didn't argue that he rushed me into the sink). Once started, he always seemed to have a blow-dryer going when I had a question... I could see he wasn't diong what (I thought) we'd discussed.
What I asked for ? A LITTLE BIT of layering, some "pieces" in front, and a strong edge at the very bottom. More was said than this - and also, he'd cut it before and said he remembered me, so I expected the same cut.
I also said, not too much off the bottom. He probably ended up taking six inches off the length. When I would look, he'd seem to be cutting an upper layer ? But then, I'd peek and he'd be cutting it all the way down. (It would look like he was measuring/matching the top ones to the very bottom; then he'd go back real quickly and cut off or slide cut the last bit too).
I think he kinda snuck in what HE thought would look better.
To wrap it up - PLEASE do not, anyone, make the mistake of thinking that women with very fine hair can take lots of layering. It ended up heavily layered. Hardly anything exists in the bottom layer at all - more like a little 'rat tail' !
It sort of looks like a cross between a wedge and some sort of weird shag. Sort of an upside-down triangle on the bottom part of it... The top part is untouched. I had asked for a little layering in front and a flippy bottom edge.
What I got, especially once my natural wave comes back in (I am NOT willing to fry it daily by blow drying it) looks like my ends all BROKE OFF due to some type of over-processing. Actually right now there's no color on my hair. And I've never needed to perm it - natural wave.
He also fried it i.e. put "product" on it then zapped it with a high-setting, very hot blow dryer aimed AT me the entire time. Kept drying & drying it, long after it was "dry already !!". At the length I ended up with it dried in about two minutes I think !! Then, lots of hairspray without asking me first (head flipped upside down & didn't see it).
I know anyone can have a bad day. I told him that I was not angry etc., but told what I didn't like about it. Asked if there's any way to fix it. Was told, come in and let manager fix it. I was stating everything very calmly but clearly was not pleased at all. Also, nothing done to the cut above the chin - and I'd said, "no bob". It looks like a bob with some scraggly scraggly torn up ends pasted on the ends of it.
I know what my hair can & can't do - and I've heard the same protestations before - then I get someone who knows how to cut this type of hair and it does just fine/very well. It's got a lot of bounce & body, but not when cut badly.
He even said "use a flat iron" once I said 'what can I do with it' - after I'd just said, "But I never dry it - I always let it dry naturally - I prefer to work WITH the wave - it's dry naturally" Although, when I went in it was the healthiest feeling I'd seen it in years. Not after that ten minutes of top heat blow drying though, with product in it to boot ! I went home, shampooed/conditioned and it still feels oddly dry.
I know that stylists like to feel like they're the artists but the truth is, WE have to wear the result. If you wouldn't like a stranger to choose your hair style for the next few months, please, dont do it to us either.
I did get a bit worried when he cut me off and rushed me into the bowl (after first telling me soon as I sat down "Your hair is so thin !") (it isn't, HONEST) (& I don't care if someone has see through hair - I don't - or two Homer Simpson style hairs on their head - why SAY that to them...) but I figured, since he said he remembered me and my cut... Who needs micro managing ?
It was very long when I went in - now it's barely past my shoulders, and even that is only that tiny rat tail he left me for a bottom layer. WAY too much layering in there, for fine hair.
Any advice, anyone ?? I did stop in another salon and have a consultation for tomorrow. I am going to proceed cautiously. Since he took off so much length and cut OUT of it, so much too, there's not much left there to work with !! Sigh !!
I told him I know the communication is half up to me. It's why I didn't rant/rave. Still, I feel it was a bad haircut. Already when he combed it through it was tangling and at home, I run my hand through it and some pieces break off. That's what curly, fine hair does if you slide-cut it !!
Thoughts, anyone ?? Please do be civil - I already feel crappy. His blaming it on my hair didn't help any - nor his insulting "so thin" comment when I sat down. (I should've got right back up again). Believe me it's the same hair that's come out looking full and healthy and bouncy. So it does depend upon the cut. Why do a crappy cut though and then blame the client's hair for it ?!
Thanks for "listening"...
PSA: Do not slide-cut fine curly hair... Do not rush your client to the shampoo then say "I can't hear you" once they ask a question... Please, don't give them what YOU think will look good (As "Alicia" stated in the show she does to clients) You do not know them/their tastes/their life/lifestyle. Even if you ask those things - it doesn't mean you can choose a style FOR them... unless they're up for truly anything and say so.
This has been a public service announcement........
RLBH
July 15, 2004 - 09:02 AM
Greetings:
Just wanted to know if there are pictures available for the haircut that Jonathan gave the girl captioned as his "former girlfriend" - loved the cut and want to take it to my hairstylist.
Moderator might know?
[Moderator says: none at present, sorry]
diesel
July 15, 2004 - 12:27 PM
Does anyone know where Jason got his White Elchim Blowdryer? My wife is a hairdresser in Orange County and she has been looking for it since the show came on.
jaggededge
July 16, 2004 - 11:05 PM
Blueturtle,
Go for your dream! Being a hairdresser has got to be the most fun, rewarding job out there. It's something different everyday and no matter what the age, it's always fun! Don't worry starting too late in the game, it's never too late. And as far as the money goes, I know the bills have to get paid, however, if you go to work everyday and you're unhappy then what does it matter. I've been a stylist for almost 8 years now and I have no regrets. If you want it bad enough, you'll do it and be great at it, the rest will fall into place:) Good luck on your decision.
JaggedEdge
jaggededge
July 16, 2004 - 11:07 PM
Hi Sandy,
If you're talking about the waitress that was originally spoken to by Brandon and then ended up seeing Jason for the cut, there is a pic of her, front and back, on this website in the photo gallery. Good Luck:)
P.S. Her hair was really awesome:)
jaggededge
July 16, 2004 - 11:08 PM
Hi:)
As I answered to Sandy's question for the pic, I noticed one of her cut front and back, in the photo gallery on this website. Good luck.
jaggededge
July 16, 2004 - 11:28 PM
depending on the color of your toilet and basin, try soft scrub with bleach. usually works wonders, bringing the color right off. good luck:)
jaggededge
July 16, 2004 - 11:34 PM
Hi CurlyGirl8,
BedHead (TIGI) has a product out called "Curls Roc" shampoo and condtioner and I personally think it's awesome for curly hair. As for styling depending on the texture of your hair, you don't want anything that's gonna weigh it down so be cautios when choosing a product. You may have to try a few before you find the one that fits your hair best. If you're wanting to wear it straight, redken has a product for styling called "straight" and "glass". Glass works well for the frizz, even when wearing it curly. Lemme know how it works out for ya'