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daisiechic5

July 8, 2005 - 03:36 PM

That's fabulous!! Too bad you couldn't show some of my students a thing or two about marketing. It's nice being busy! Don't let those other students get to you. If they aren't marketing themselves, then that's their problem. Keep doing what you're doing and you'll be making the bucks!

daisiechic5

July 8, 2005 - 03:42 PM

That's so wrong!! They should never ever do that to you. There should be a consultation about what you want and what will look great on you. The only magazines that I can think of are the Hairstyle magazines on the shelves at Wal-mart. Those have some great, updated, fun, flippy, whatever you want kind of styles. If you see someone with a cute hairstyle that you like, ask them where they got it cut and go where they go. What a shame! This gives us hairstylists a bad name. ARGH! Good luck on your search for a great stylist. Too bad you didn't live in Central PA, I could hook you up with a great style!

AmandaSigh

July 8, 2005 - 04:02 PM

AW! Thank you so much I would have appreciated a refferal to a great salon! I am stuck here at Fort Hood, Texas dull boring military town where the main style is a high and tight!! lol Works great for my hubby but blah for me! I will look through some wal mart magazines and ask for a consult..thanks for the advice!

JustTzujIt

July 8, 2005 - 04:54 PM

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I would love get a style. I have long hair and I am ready for a vibrant layered change. I love to use hot rollers but there are days I don't have time and need to pull it back. Saying this as a mom of 3 I am pretty busy at times. My husband is a Soldier, and ofcourse we don't have alot of money to spare for me to get a style. I want to go to a salon but when I take a picture they look at me and shake their head and hand me a dull 80s book! I want layers I want vibrant and bouncy and layered at the face...ya know the in style cuts!
Could you possibly reccomend a magazine or a link to todays long layered styles that can actually be understood by other hairdressers? Or does Jonathon have a photo gallery?

I recommend any magazine that's not a hardcover when you walk into your salon. Tell them you'd like a few minutes to browse to find a hairstyle but DON'T look in the hardcover books... those are tragic. Instead, find a recent issue of "Celebrity Hairstyles" magazine or the like, and cruise the pages. The photos are taken at such an angle so that your hairstylist can interpret the cut the right way and some times they will give you daily styling tips which you can write down. The styles are current, and you will find various cuts with tips for your face shape.

panther05

July 10, 2005 - 10:37 AM

anyone know a hair salon in the miami area as upscale as jonathan's salon?

thanks.

Lordofhair

July 10, 2005 - 03:42 PM

Hi Amanda, I've read through your posts and the suggestions that you have gotten, which all of them are great, expecially the "don't look at the hardcover books, because those are tragic."
I understand your position and as a hairstylist offer a couple of alternatives so you can get the style you want.

1. Get dry erase markers, blue, red and black. Look at your bathroom mirror with your hair pulled back, ponytail is fine, and now trace what YOU see on the mirror with the black marker, just the outline of your face, this doesn't have to be perfect... if it's more ROUND than Oval, draw a square in the middle of it with the Red marker. If heart shaped, draw up-side down heart shape where the point of the heart spilts the two humps, again using the Red marker. And if it's SQUARE draw a circle in the the square again using the Red marker. Because of the style you reffer to in an earlier post, layers around the face, with volume and bouncy layers with length...but not getting that...I'm guessing we will find that you have more of a round face and that's why it's looking "80's to you.
With the BLUE marker fill in the areas outside the RED line, and draw down to the length that you want. ( this isn't like a coloring book so you can just shade this area in) Those face framing layers will "magically" appear on the mirror as you shade it in with the BLUE marker, and you can draw it with as much volume as you want.

Now do this at you hairstylist and freak them out! No worries it's dry erase so it comes off with a dry paper towel.

Second thing...look at magazines like Maxim, Stuff, FHM, or motorcycle magazines. Why? As these are "guy" magazines they are the BEST for showing ALL angles of the women and their hair, front, back, and sides. "Hair" magazines are usually just face shots and what the public dosen't realize is they are more for the stylists to say they are "published"

ENJOY

VelvetHugs

July 10, 2005 - 06:39 PM

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Hi Amanda, I've read through your posts and the suggestions that you have gotten, which all of them are great, expecially the "don't look at the hardcover books, because those are tragic."
I understand your position and as a hairstylist offer a couple of alternatives so you can get the style you want.

1. Get dry erase markers, blue, red and black. Look at your bathroom mirror with your hair pulled back, ponytail is fine, and now trace what YOU see on the mirror with the black marker, just the outline of your face, this doesn't have to be perfect... if it's more ROUND than Oval, draw a square in the middle of it with the Red marker. If heart shaped, draw up-side down heart shape where the point of the heart spilts the two humps, again using the Red marker. And if it's SQUARE draw a circle in the the square again using the Red marker. Because of the style you reffer to in an earlier post, layers around the face, with volume and bouncy layers with length...but not getting that...I'm guessing we will find that you have more of a round face and that's why it's looking "80's to you.
With the BLUE marker fill in the areas outside the RED line, and draw down to the length that you want. ( this isn't like a coloring book so you can just shade this area in) Those face framing layers will "magically" appear on the mirror as you shade it in with the BLUE marker, and you can draw it with as much volume as you want.

Now do this at you hairstylist and freak them out! No worries it's dry erase so it comes off with a dry paper towel.

Second thing...look at magazines like Maxim, Stuff, FHM, or motorcycle magazines. Why? As these are "guy" magazines they are the BEST for showing ALL angles of the women and their hair, front, back, and sides. "Hair" magazines are usually just face shots and what the public dosen't realize is they are more for the stylists to say they are "published"

ENJOY

Wow Lordofhair I can't wait to show this to my hairdresser. She's gonna freak out forsure! By doing this neat little trick I have found out my face is more oval than round and therefore I need a different length. As I have mentioned before you are just full of great information and ideas! Keep up with the neat tips... someone out there is listening

JustTzujIt

July 10, 2005 - 10:45 PM

That was me replying to AmandaSigh, LordofHair - but thanks anyways for the tip

Hairbydebbie

July 11, 2005 - 06:34 AM

Does anyone know how to get the Jonathan product line in my salon for retail???

Guest

July 11, 2005 - 02:50 PM

Blow the right person... That usually works for most Sluts.

norCALboy

July 11, 2005 - 03:31 PM

So I have another question.

during beauty school for the 1600 course - what will i be doing the first few hundred hours? And what will i get in my kit? Also will they be teaching color classes, because i really wanna become a pro in coloring.

thanks!

angieq

July 11, 2005 - 09:33 PM

I'm also looking to change careers. Can anyone recommend a good school in the Northern CA area? (San Jose- SF area). I am begining my search, but most of the schools sound too good to be true...I' a bit lost..help please =0

norCALboy

July 12, 2005 - 08:22 AM

Well, I kinda live near San Jose. I'm in the east bay - Antioch. And I'm attending Paris beauty school in Concord.

SpudsMackenzie

July 12, 2005 - 02:36 PM

I love Jason's haircuts! Especially that razor one he did on those girls both season one and two. Does anyone know where I can find a picture of that?!

GrammyW

July 12, 2005 - 03:43 PM

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The longer I stay on this board, the worse it gets! Last years stuff is mixed in with this years stuff! That's not good! It would be nice to just be able to read comments one after the other without such a hassle. Come on! Fix this place so coming here to visit isn't as frustrating as watching some reality shows . . . Oops! Who said that?

I just found a way to contact Bravo via email..I sent them a complaining email. Obviously the boardboss is not paying attention to our concerns. Guess we could try overwhelming them with emails and see how that works...I won't hold my breath but if you want to join me and see if we get any response here's the address... webmaster@bravotv.com

VelvetHugs

July 12, 2005 - 03:46 PM

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I love Jason's haircuts! Especially that razor one he did on those girls both season one and two. Does anyone know where I can find a picture of that?!

Here's the link you wanted of the waitress with the razor cut. It also has the sketch Jason made of it as well.
http://www.fansofrealitytv.com/forums/atta...tachmentid=8965

Slidecutter

July 12, 2005 - 06:18 PM

Along with everyone else, I've been watching the development of Jonathan Product and look forward to trying the entire line. Guess I shouldn't be surprised that, besides Sephora and QVC, it can be found on eBay...at a higher cost. A few sellers are offering "slightly used" products or samples, at lesser prices. Frankly, I'll head over to Sephora's to be sure I'm getting the genuine article.
J's products look great and should be outstanding in complimenting the latest cuts and styles.

hairdresser80

July 12, 2005 - 06:57 PM

Hi I just read that you were looking in southern NH which is where I live and work,Where are you located?Maybe we know each other

bekasmom

July 12, 2005 - 07:22 PM

very tight curls

SpoilMeBlonde

July 12, 2005 - 08:17 PM

Hey LORD..
Just wanted to give you props for the tip you gave to Amanda! Most stylists don't think to help their clients with tips like that so they will know what will and won't work for their face shape! - I'm assuming you are a stylist? If so- your probably used to getting clients who are after a look that you know won't work and when explained to the client.. They have no clue what your saying and why they can't look like the picture! But I have to say GREAT STRATEGY! I do hair and I've never even thought to tell my clients what they could do to help them figure out will and won't work for them.. Thanks

Wendy13

July 12, 2005 - 10:24 PM

Go to San Jose City of Cosmetology!!! @ SJ City College

floridabarbie

July 13, 2005 - 12:12 AM

I am so sorry that this has happened to you too. I just want you too know I had a male hair dresser do the same thing too me where I live. I have never had that problem ever in my whole life. He did nothing but humilate me and my hair in front of a whole salon and if that was not bad enough he made me purchase some product that has totally ruined my hair. Never again and if that was not bad enough he then calls my house 6 weeks later to try and book me in with him to have my hair trimmed. I think this guy is right off the rocker even if he has done hair for 40 years. All I can say is maybe he should retirer if he does not want to lissen. Once again sorry this has happened to you also. I just have a funny feeling it may be the same guy or there are twin bad hair dressers running around. It has taken me almost 6 months to grow mine out and it still is having trouble coming back right because he chopped into the side and left the other side long.

floridabarbie

July 13, 2005 - 12:22 AM

Hi I dont know if this will help you at all. However when I was surfing the web you can actually just put Jonathan Antin in your search browser and it will take you to some websites that can help you place his products in your salon. If I find out anything more or a link I will come back and post it here for you. Good luck

ginaforpeace

July 13, 2005 - 04:29 AM

I love the show, I'm not a hairstylist but I love watching people getting their hair done. But all the people that seem to come in to have their hair done have beautiful hair to start with, maybe it's because it's Beverly Hills. I just wish they would style someone who has thin, fine hair like I do, just to get ideas for myself.

1616

July 13, 2005 - 04:33 AM

I have a very random question--a girl at work has me addicted to this show--but I have only seen a few episodes. Can anyone tell me when a Marathon of Blow Out will be airing on Bravo?
Thanks in Advance!

Lordofhair

July 13, 2005 - 04:36 AM

Hey Spoilmeblonde,
Thanks for the props. Yep, you assume correct, I'm a stylist. I keep the dry erase markers with me at my station or when I'm in other salons doing education to share with other stylists. The problem is the "language" barrier that typically happens between stylists and clients. Stylists are creative and being creative we use catch phrases to clients like "do you SEE what I'm saying" without actually showing the client what we are talking about. Clients have a picture or a "vision" in their mind but have trouble relating it to the stylist. So the markers help draw the picture that both will SEE and can communicate what the end result will be.

When clients bring a picture in there are two questions we as stylists need to ask:

1. What specifically about the picture do you like?
2. Is this the look that you THINK you need or that you FEEL you want?
(the second question gets to the heart of it all, notice "think" and "feel", if a person "thinks" something then that thought can be questioned, the way a person "feels" can not.)

We as stylists sometimes look at the picture and just say "No way" for various reasons, when the client might actually say to question 1, that she likes the way the fringe hangs over the brow the most...well if she doesn't have fringe already then we can probably incorporate that into the look and thereby giving her the "picture" look that she wants.

Always remember this as stylists we are more concerned about the "details" of the finished look...those of us that spend time making sure each little piece of fringe is just in the right place know what I'm talking about...clients are more concerned about the silouette, that's why they usualy run their fingers through it just as we finish the fine details. Don't lie stylists...this makes us crazy and you know it, even our clients say "This just drives you crazy when I do this doesn't it?"

ENJOY

bao0630

July 13, 2005 - 04:52 AM

Hi..
I totally agree. I don't know who is doing their development of their website...but it is really convaluted!
From setting up your ID, Password, to reset...totally 1st year web developer stuff.

As far as the show goes... the whole premise of the program is so absolutely superfical and phony! I swear everytime Jonathan starts to weep I want to say..."snap out of it"!

The way he berates his staff and his inability to listen to anyone but himself is pathetic...he needs to work on his interpersonal skills and get a grip on how REAL people live.

We all come from somewhere whether it is Park Ave. or Lower Eastside.. we are humans with wonderful attributes and flaws. This program really shows the shallow and phony side of humans. I watch the show just to remind myself to STAY HUMBLE...and to stay grounded.

Oh well..I guess that is just the kind of world we live in..it really it too bad.

bbanis2k

July 13, 2005 - 07:03 AM

Hello...

Does anyone know Alyn's client name from last night? Just wondering if she is a model or someone well known already.

Thanks,
BBanis2K

martina

July 13, 2005 - 07:56 AM

I just received my Jonathan products and just love them. I do feel that Jonathan would possibly sell more if his "informational" videotapes were a little more concise as to what to buy for what type hair (QVC site), as well as how best to use them. Love the show, stylists, etc. but since I live on the East Coast, maybe, Jonathan and crew could have a contest for those of us that long for a "treat of a lifetime", a premo haircut! Just a suggestion!

cmcinindy

July 13, 2005 - 08:38 AM

Hey,
Hur name is Christina Lindley. She is a well established fitness model. I loved the finished cut and went looking for a photo. That is how I found her name.

GrayVioliner

July 13, 2005 - 10:08 AM

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I just received my Jonathan products and just love them. I do feel that Jonathan would possibly sell more if his "informational" videotapes were a little more concise as to what to buy for what type hair (QVC site), as well as how best to use them. Love the show, stylists, etc. but since I live on the East Coast, maybe, Jonathan and crew could have a contest for those of us that long for a "treat of a lifetime", a premo haircut! Just a suggestion!

Martina,
I sent an email to the Jonathan Product Customer Service Department with very specific questions about which products to use for my hair type. I received a lovely, informative reply that outlined which products would be best for my hair and how to use them. You might want to try that.

I'm pretty cheap about my hair products, but with the Jonathan Product line, I may have to loosen the wallet a bit. Good stuff!

By the way, you just missed that contest. It was sponsored by Bravo. The deadline for a trip to LA for two and a style by Jonathan ended on June 30!

amf004

July 13, 2005 - 10:27 AM

Do you really love the product? I've been debating about getting some Dirt at Sephora. Have you checked the jonathan product website, very nice.

GrayVioliner

July 13, 2005 - 10:45 AM

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Do you really love the product? I've been debating about getting some Dirt at Sephora. Have you checked the jonathan product website, very nice.

I really like it a lot. My hair isn't really suited for the Dirt product. It's long, curly and color treated. Products like Dirt work better for shorter hair IMHO.

I got the moisturizing shampoo and conditioner but found that my styling products just didn't get along with it as I was losing too much of the curl I like. I looked around QVC and Sephora.com but just couldn't decide which of the Jonathan styling products I needed for my crazy hair. I was really glad I sent that email because what I nearly purchased wasn't what was recommended!

The Jonathan Product website is where I found the customer service email link I used. And yes, nice website!

martina

July 13, 2005 - 12:14 PM

GrayVioliner,
I did email the site but got no response...probably so many enquiries, no time to answer all. Wish I had known about contest, would have loved to enter, and if Jonathan could not do it, would have liked just about any of the other stylists. I do have short hair and the Dirt does great. Bought the "volumizing" shampoo and conditioner as well as the foam styling mousse (sp?). They all were great!

bbanis2k

July 13, 2005 - 12:41 PM

Thank you so much!!

kimg

July 13, 2005 - 10:00 PM

Rinsing reds with blonde highlights is a challange to begin with but the biggest problem was the use of Feria for the service. Feria is a metalic dye and does not always respond well with professional line permanent colors. It is also very difficult to remove.

jessbpina

July 13, 2005 - 11:06 PM

ok i don't know what i'm doing on this site....but if a customer has their sides cut to their ears and you are supposed to fix it and keep length in the back what should you do? help please!

JustTzujIt

July 14, 2005 - 01:43 PM

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Rinsing reds with blonde highlights is a challange to begin with but the biggest problem was the use of Feria for the service. Feria is a metalic dye and does not always respond well with professional line permanent colors. It is also very difficult to remove.

Kimg, you sound like a professional. Since you were on the subject of Féria, reds and blondes, you sound like you might know the answer to a question of mine - I have been L'Oréal Féria Sunset Blaze 77 since April and want to try something new but preferrably a DIY dye... and Féria since it works best on my hair. I love the color of Blush Blonde 94. (You can see the colors by going to www.lorealferia.com and selecting Shade Displays and then reds). Since Féria is metallic, and metallics + bleach = disaster, none of the products would have bleach, right? So if I used Blush Blonde 94 on my hair, it would slightly lighten it but not give me the results shown on the box for the first few times? I always do a strand test to make sure anyway, but before I spend 10 bucks on the dye, I want to know your opinion. (And anyone else's. Thanks!)

VelvetHugs

July 14, 2005 - 06:50 PM

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Rinsing reds with blonde highlights is a challange to begin with but the biggest problem was the use of Feria for the service. Feria is a metalic dye and does not always respond well with professional line permanent colors. It is also very difficult to remove.

, you sound like a professional. Since you were on the subject of Féria, reds and blondes, you sound like you might know the answer to a question of mine - I have been L'Oréal Féria Sunset Blaze 77 since April and want to try something new but preferrably a DIY dye... and Féria since it works best on my hair. I love the color of Blush Blonde 94. (You can see the colors by going to www.lorealferia.com and selecting Shade Displays and then reds). Since Féria is metallic, and metallics + bleach = disaster, none of the products would have bleach, right? So if I used Blush Blonde 94 on my hair, it would slightly lighten it but not give me the results shown on the box for the first few times? I always do a strand test to make sure anyway, but before I spend 10 bucks on the dye, I want to know your opinion. (And anyone else's. Thanks!)

Lordofhair this sounds like a good one for you!

GrayVioliner

July 15, 2005 - 04:02 AM

Martina (and anyone else interested), I was checking what Jonathan Product QVC has in stock yesterday. Turns out there is a Jonathan Product presentation on tonight (July 15) from 7PM-8PM EDT. It didn't say if Jonathan would be on the show or not, but if he is, maybe you can get some answers by watching the presentation.

dmn0024

July 15, 2005 - 04:41 AM

I have medium length longer hair and I am really interested in his Volume mouse and Dirt. Do you think that Dirt can be used on longer hair? I don't want the greasy weighed down look, I am more into the "babe" hair. Anyone used it yet on longer hair?

Thanks
D~

GrayVioliner

July 15, 2005 - 05:00 AM

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I have medium length longer hair and I am really interested in his Volume mouse and Dirt. Do you think that Dirt can be used on longer hair? I don't want the greasy weighed down look, I am more into the "babe" hair. Anyone used it yet on longer hair?

I think I've seen Dirt used on longer hair on the show, but I have shoulder length hair too and I wouldn't think Dirt would work as well. I had short hair for years and used products like Dirt for definition and separation. With longer hair, I want mine soft and flowy. Check out QVC tonight if you can. If not, there's a video of Jonathan at the QVC website explaining Dirt. You just go to the Jonathan Product, click on Dirt and you'll see the "Video Presentation" button.

Lordofhair

July 15, 2005 - 05:50 AM

WOW, Thanks Velvet! Alright gang a couple of things that we need to clear up first:

Feria is NOT a metallic dye. It is a semi-permanent color with some permanent dyes. Many think it is because they see Ammonium Hydroxide or MEA...these are catalyst to open the cuticle of the hair and develop the haircolor. For Feria is MIXED by pouring one bottle into another then adding the small, "feel good stuff"...metallic dyes aren't mixed. Ammonium Hydroxide is an alkali that gives us the development of the color dye and the "sticking" power of the color...MEA is mono-ethylnolimien or an ammonia derivative used to help shatter natural pigment and give the hair a lighter effect, even in darker colors. You've seen the results after 6 weeks when we either get that "brassiness" or it just turns orange...that's underlying natural exposed pigment, the color didn't "turn" that way the color just went away and that's your natural hair color now.

JustTzujit...what you are wanting to do goes against the Principals of Color...meaning you want to go to a lighter color from a darker color. COLOR WON"T LIFT COLOR...I'm not yelling , just want the point to be clear, you know I LOVE ya screenname! Why it has sorta worked after the three or four times that you have done it...the darker color is releasing or fading so you are getting to more of the natural underlying pigment and because you are using this color that hass the alkali in it (ammonia) then it is helping to cause a rapid fadage...or a slow bleaching if you will, thereby giving you the results after about three to four applications. What can get you there quicker?...Most salon pro's don't like to remove Feria, because it is an intense dye..not metallic...I have dealt with it and it can be removed, it took me three bleach applications to get it out on a client..she still had all her hair. But it is time consuming and difficult especially if it is one of the darker burgandy type reds. Color correction in the salon is not cheap, nor is it a "punishment" for not having color done in the salon as some clients perceive, it's a matter of expertise skill and time. How much? Some stylists will double or triple what a double process color costs, others like myself, charge by the hour.

When coloring your hair remember these three things:
1. COLOR DOESN'T LIFT COLOR
2. COLOR ON TOP OF COLOR GOES DARKER (not natural pigment)
3. THE DARKER COLOR ALWAYS DOMINATES, meaning if you are mixing two shades together the results will be closer to the darker than to the lighter. We aren't baking so equal part rule doesn't apply here...go with more of the lighter and less of the darker to achieve the desired results. We can always go darker but it's tought to go lighter after a color service...see #1.

Kimmieo...I would suggest that you never give into a client that wants to bring box color into the salon. You are using Socolor from Matrix, a pro color, by using a clients color they bring in...we compromise our license. WE don't tell the doctor that we are only going to garlic and drink orange juice for our cold? I'm glad you were able to fix it, but to the question why did it do that? Feria has both developed (semi-permanent) and undeveloped dyes (permanent) so when the hair was lifted it's overly porous, guess what? it will grab anything and everything even if it touches it for a second. How to not have this happen...rinse (not shampoo) the base color first while the foils are still in, and then remove the foils and shampoo.

Hope this helps!
ENJOY

frankie

July 15, 2005 - 01:29 PM

I was at home sick today, channel surfing when I stopped on "Blow Out". That was hours ago and now I'm still watching the marathon. I'm hooked! I just ordered the whole Jonathan product line off of Sephora.com and I'm looking forward to trying the new products. I wish I could order him or one of his stylists to be delivered Fed Ex to my front door!!! I'm almost 44 years old and can honestly say that I've never felt good about my hair (the cut, the texture or anything). Everyone that leaves his shop seems to step a little lighter and hold their heads a little higher! I have very curly hair and have tried short, long and everything in between. I feel like a freak and have even had stylists take one look at my hair and refuse to work on me, but not before they called the other stylists over to look at me like I was a real freak of nature! I know that there has to be a style or stylist out there than can make me feel 'hot' and not like sideshow. Oh well, I've vented and feel better (and I'm looking forward to getting my new products and to watching more of "Blow Out").

JustTzujIt

July 15, 2005 - 02:44 PM

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JustTzujit...what you are wanting to do goes against the Principals of Color...meaning you want to go to a lighter color from a darker color. COLOR WON"T LIFT COLOR...I'm not yelling , just want the point to be clear, you know I LOVE ya screenname! Why it has sorta worked after the three or four times that you have done it...the darker color is releasing or fading so you are getting to more of the natural underlying pigment and because you are using this color that hass the alkali in it (ammonia) then it is helping to cause a rapid fadage...or a slow bleaching if you will, thereby giving you the results after about three to four applications. What can get you there quicker?...Most salon pro's don't like to remove Feria, because it is an intense dye..not metallic...I have dealt with it and it can be removed, it took me three bleach applications to get it out on a client..she still had all her hair. But it is time consuming and difficult especially if it is one of the darker burgandy type reds. Color correction in the salon is not cheap, nor is it a "punishment" for not having color done in the salon as some clients perceive, it's a matter of expertise skill and time. How much? Some stylists will double or triple what a double process color costs, others like myself, charge by the hour.

When coloring your hair remember these three things:
1. COLOR DOESN'T LIFT COLOR
2. COLOR ON TOP OF COLOR GOES DARKER (not natural pigment)
3. THE DARKER COLOR ALWAYS DOMINATES, meaning if you are mixing two shades together the results will be closer to the darker than to the lighter. We aren't baking so equal part rule doesn't apply here...go with more of the lighter and less of the darker to achieve the desired results. We can always go darker but it's tought to go lighter after a color service...see #1.

Thanks, LordofHair! You really do know a lot. Where did you learn everything? Since watching Blow Out I have added "Hair color specialist" to my list of career possibilities (I will be a high school sophomore in September). If I could ever learn half of what you know, I would be extremely proud!

VelvetHugs

July 15, 2005 - 02:53 PM

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JustTzujit...what you are wanting to do goes against the Principals of Color...meaning you want to go to a lighter color from a darker color. COLOR WON"T LIFT COLOR...I'm not yelling , just want the point to be clear, you know I LOVE ya screenname! Why it has sorta worked after the three or four times that you have done it...the darker color is releasing or fading so you are getting to more of the natural underlying pigment and because you are using this color that hass the alkali in it (ammonia) then it is helping to cause a rapid fadage...or a slow bleaching if you will, thereby giving you the results after about three to four applications. What can get you there quicker?...Most salon pro's don't like to remove Feria, because it is an intense dye..not metallic...I have dealt with it and it can be removed, it took me three bleach applications to get it out on a client..she still had all her hair. But it is time consuming and difficult especially if it is one of the darker burgandy type reds. Color correction in the salon is not cheap, nor is it a "punishment" for not having color done in the salon as some clients perceive, it's a matter of expertise skill and time. How much? Some stylists will double or triple what a double process color costs, others like myself, charge by the hour.

When coloring your hair remember these three things:
1. COLOR DOESN'T LIFT COLOR
2. COLOR ON TOP OF COLOR GOES DARKER (not natural pigment)
3. THE DARKER COLOR ALWAYS DOMINATES, meaning if you are mixing two shades together the results will be closer to the darker than to the lighter. We aren't baking so equal part rule doesn't apply here...go with more of the lighter and less of the darker to achieve the desired results. We can always go darker but it's tought to go lighter after a color service...see #1.

Thanks, LordofHair! You really do know a lot. Where did you learn everything? Since watching Blow Out I have added "Hair color specialist" to my list of career possibilities (I will be a high school sophomore in September). If I could ever learn half of what you know, I would be extremely proud!

I agree!! Lordofhair you are amazing and I have learned alot from just reading your very informative posts!! Where are you located? I would love to see what you can do for my hair. It's long and baby fine and wont hold a curl for very long. If your ever in Ohio let me know I would love to have you work your magic! Keep up with the great posts, I look forward to them ! I think you would give Jonathan a run for his money if you were to work in his salon. Oh and by the way are you as hot as J?? lol

Rob1

July 15, 2005 - 03:57 PM

New to the forum.

Off of the topic of hair what brand of jacket and jeans does Jonathan wear? His fashion taste is to the T what I have been looking for in clothing. I know he gets his shirts from Melrose but I think the Jackets are a label. Anone's help welcome.

BTW Dirt is great. Tried American Crew and a bunch of other brands and this is what I was waiting for.

Thanks all

nick7li

July 15, 2005 - 06:22 PM

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ok i don't know what i'm doing on this site....but if a customer has their sides cut to their ears and you are supposed to fix it and keep length in the back what should you do? help please!

You cant do anything with this but blend it in, leaving it longer in the back, or even on top if they want that, but once its cut you cant put it back.

drumking99

July 15, 2005 - 07:15 PM

i agree revlon products are garbage and should not be used or displayed in a high end salon

SpoilMeBlonde

July 15, 2005 - 08:05 PM

LOL 'LORD' you read my mind! I had a new client come in Tuesday and ask for a new style- and she said and I quote-
" I hate layers... So don't cut any layers.." 20 minutes later I had cut 2 inches off as we had agreed upon and feathered around the face- all of which she had asked for..(think Jennifer Aniston)- and then she said " Oh this is similar to the hair cut I always have- I wanted something different! Something I never do.." Then she says 'OK I want layers!" I'm thinking to myself; UM you didn't want layers, you said nothing dramatic and nothing short!! What the?!? So I ended up slicing through the top layers to give it the look of layers with out the definite outline of layers you know? It came out great- but I hate it when someone comes in and they have no clue what they want, they just want a cut without anything new! LOL She ended up with highlights too! And she had said before she hated highlights then she talked herself into them! You have to laugh when peope do this- but I picked a light brown highlight to go with her dark brown hair- very natural. She told me after styling it that she loved it and that she had never told any other stylist that she loved what they did while they were working! Made my day- but I agree with you on how clients never understand what we as stylists 'see' or we realy what a client 'sees' without some sorta guide to follow- unless they say do whatever.. But thanks for the info!! loved it! (jess)